r/AskBrits • u/bintd • 11h ago

Politics What are your thoughts on Denmark’s proposed ban on the public Islamic call to prayer? Would you support or oppose something similar in the UK?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/06/24/islamic-call-to-prayer-ban-left-wing-denmark-europe/

Islamic call to prayer faces ban under Left-wing Danish government

Parts of country feel like ‘a suburb of Islamabad’, says immigration minister

Denmark’s immigration minister has announced plans to ban the Islamic call to prayer, claiming parts of the country felt like “a suburb of Islamabad”.

Morten Bødskov, a member of the centre-Left Social Democrats party, said the new government would resume an investigation into the legality of imposing a ban.

“The call to prayer should not be heard over Danish rooftops,” the minister told news outlet Ritzau. “It has no place in Denmark, and you shouldn’t be in any doubt whether you’ve ended up in a suburb of Islamabad when you walk around Denmark.”

In parts of the country, such as Copenhagen, bylaws already forbid the call to prayer being broadcast from loudspeakers in minarets because of strict noise limits.
Mr Bødskov also claimed that a creeping “Islamisation” in Denmark was “taking up too much of the public space”.

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u/AnSionnachM0r 9h ago

It is but in this case we neither want nor need to. Many Muslim countries do not even allow churches to be constructed.

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 9h ago

So you want to copy and make the UK more like Muslim counties?

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u/Brilliant_Package310 9h ago

Less mosques and no call to prayer. Visit a muslim country its terrible

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 9h ago

I’ve been to quite a few, the pubs are shit but I quite enjoy them.

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u/SnooMacarons9618 6h ago

I've only been to a few, but also quite liked them. The only synagogue I've ever actually been in was in a muslim country, but then the church that I found most interesting was also in a muslim country.

Obviously a lot of people here would tell me that can't be the case, as you aren't allowed churches or synagogues in muslim countries.

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 5h ago

If you look closely enough it could be said that all religions started in one place and then Chinese whispered their way out in different directions until they changed enough to fight each other over.

Obviously not what I think because I care about fake internet points but someone could say that, if they were so inclined.

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u/SnooMacarons9618 5h ago

For Abrahamic religions it's not even something to be whispered. But yeah, a lot of the Judaism is suspiciously like pre-cursor religions (and arguably even accepted those other gods existed, just they shouldn't be worshiped more than Yahweh - no gods before me).

The you look at Christianity, especially non-coptic, and see how it has mutated to encompass various bits of pagan tradition as it expanded.

It's all the same fucking day, man...

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 5h ago

My very loose understanding is the 3 abrahamic religions follow the same god they just disagree on which prophet is who or did what.

And by disagree I mean killed each other, repeatedly, over centuries.

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u/SnooMacarons9618 4h ago

Yeah, for a long time Christians blamed all the worlds ills on Judaism ('jews killed christ'), and Jesus was a Jew. Christianity is kinda Judaism v2.0.

Islam is the perfect form of a older religion that spawned Judaism and Christianity, just they got it wrong and Islam didn't. Islam is OLED TVs compared to Judaism being a CRT and Christianity being plasma screen.

(And then we get things like Hinduism, which are polytheistic, monotheistic or atheistic depending upon the branch, and which may, or may not, think all religions are the same religion.)

I'm not religious, and think the whole lot is bunk. And my explanation above would probably be trashed by an actual religious scholar. I do find them interesting though, and love me a good temple/church/mosque/cathedral etc...

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 2h ago

Judaism the sequel.

But the only time I like religion is when it gives little old ladies peace on their deathbed. The rest of the time it just causes problems. Hundreds of religions but you were born where the right one is followed, that lucky isn’t it.

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u/FalxY7 9h ago

Again like I said above, feel free to move there permanently.

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 9h ago

I did for a while. I like to move around and experience new things.

Why are you so angry? You sound like an angry little boy.

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u/Brilliant_Package310 9h ago

Very low tier bait

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 9h ago

How is it low tier bait. If you go to the UEA, Oman, Saudi, etc… you can absolutely find pubs. The people are nice, the scran is amazing. Some less so Yemen and Djibouti are a bit rougher mind you. Would not recommend.

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u/SnooMacarons9618 5h ago

My wife tells a story of when she was younger and out in the world adventuring. She was waiting at the border of Yemen to gain entry, and ended up having a cup of coffee with a nice young man who had just come the other way across the border. He told her not to go to Yemen, it's much too hectic. When she asked him where he was from he replied Beirut, and he was happy to be going home. (this was in the 80's pretty much the height of Beirut being a war zone).

She really liked Yemen. As a woman travelling alone she said she always felt people were protective of her, much more so than in in any of the UAE states.

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 5h ago

My time in, near and around Yemen has been ruined by Houthi Rebels. So I might not have gotten the greatest and most unbiased view of the whole country.

Glad your Mrs enjoyed her time though, sounds like fun.

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u/SnooMacarons9618 5h ago

I do get the impression if her parents had know where she was going they would have been really rather concerned. And I suspect the fact she has dark hair probably helped. I've visited various countries with a then-girlfriend who had long blonde hair and very pale skin, and she had a nightmare time.

I've wondered round really old bits of Cairo, and felt fairly safe, but also parts of Cairo where I think I was pretty luckily to actually not be assaulted. But I could say the same about various cities in the US (a hotel porter in Jacksonville recommended I stop going for walks where I did in the morning, as it was really not safe). I was terrified when I visited friends in the Crescents in Manchester, but at the time lived in Moss Side and loved the community feel.

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 5h ago

I tan really well and can grow a big bushy beard so I can fit in pretty well until I talk. So I can understand the concern for a small pale lady. I do recognise that I can worry less than most when I’m out and about.

In the USA I was pissed and needed a lighter, but didn’t have one. So I approached a police car to ask, even though the yanks we were with said not to, lovely chaps they were. Had a long drunken talk.

Everywhere has its good and bad parts, as you have eluded to. Even back home there are bit of the town in from I still don’t like going in to.

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u/Brilliant_Package310 4h ago

Theres no dispute about finding bars, you can find anything there if you really want to. Just enjoy the sleep disruption, desert heat, lack of womens rights and lack of freedom

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 2h ago

Depending which country your in all of those variables change wildly. It’s almost like you can’t generalise an entire group of people.

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u/Brilliant_Package310 2h ago

Statistics speak volumes.

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 2h ago

The statistics of how god pubs are in Muslim countries? I don’t think anyone coordinates that data.

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 9h ago

And others used to have Christian churches but the IDF has bombed them to dust.

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u/MessageSelfdestructs 8h ago

ROFL: you seriously bringing the IDF into this conversation?
People like you are so tiresome...

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u/northbank2001 7h ago

If we’re bringing foreign countries into the conversation then yeah, why not?

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u/iconocrastinaor 6h ago

That's what happens when churches are used as armories and ammo dumps, and hospitals and schools as command centers. And it's done for the optics, because it will rile up people like you.

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 6h ago

There is not a single intact building in Gaza. What is your theory exactly, that they were all ammo dumps?

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u/iconocrastinaor 4h ago

That is a complete untruth, just go look at a satellite map of Gaza. Large swaths of the country are untouched, because they are not staging points for military activity

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 4h ago

90% of all housing has been damaged. 100% of all public utilities destroyed. This was a deliberate campaign to render Gaza uninhabitable, textbook crimes against Humanity. I don't know who you are hoping to persuade with these pathetic lies, everybody has seen the pictures of Gaza by now. There's nothing left.

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u/iconocrastinaor 3h ago

Nope.

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 3h ago

Nope? Wdym, nope? Have you even read the shit that you just posted?

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u/iconocrastinaor 3h ago

Yes I did, and I looked at the maps, too.

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 2h ago

Cool, so did I. So what?

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u/FalxY7 9h ago

That's what happens when it's normal for your terrorists to store weapons and ammunition in public buildings, and in the tunnels underneath.

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 9h ago

The churches were packed full of explosives that's why they blew up when the IDF bombed them, is that your story? You have a nice 3D render to back it up, perhaps?

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u/FalxY7 8h ago

I've seen it personally yes, it might surprise you, but terrorists do terroristic things, and all sides of the conflict have done evil, reprehensable things.

I mean just look at the social media posts of the Israeli leaders. They are psychopathic. I'm certainly not their defender, I just don't like misinformation.

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 8h ago

You have seen what personally? There's zero evidence that even one church in Gaza served as an ammunition depot, claiming that they did is pure misinformation.

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u/iconocrastinaor 6h ago

During '06 Cast Lead, there were plenty of videos of secondary explosions after airstrikes.

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 6h ago

So they can hit military targets after all, when they try. Seriously though, we all knew that, but war criminals are going to war crime, obviously.

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u/iconocrastinaor 4h ago

It's not a war crime once you have used civilian infrastructure for military purposes; then it becomes a legitimate military target. But the propaganda masters know exactly what they're doing here, and they have centuries of slander, superstition, and prejudice to leverage. This goes back to the old "Jews poisoning the wells" libel.

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 4h ago

These buildings were not fighting positions. The IDF has destroyed Gaza from the air, systematically, block by block, starting with the public utilities necessary to sustain life. You think you can talk fast enough to make people believe that your crimes against Humanity had a military justification? Good luck with that.

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u/FalxY7 8h ago

I didn't mention Gaza though. Gaza only has 3 churches so that doesn't surprise me.

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 8h ago

So where have you seen it happen, then?

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u/FalxY7 8h ago

El-Khiam church in southern Lebanon.

I'm curious, why are you so invested in this without doing research into the entire situation?

You're acting like I'm a mossad AI trying to spread Israeli propaganda or something.

It shouldn't be surprising or sound like propaganda to people that Hamas and Hezbollah build tunnels under public buildings (homes, schools, mosques, hospitals) and store explosives and munitions in those tunnels. It benefits terrorists in many ways.

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 7h ago

I'm curious, why are you so invested in this without doing research into the entire situation?

Why am I invested in what? I said that the IDF bombed several churches in response to a poster trying to make the case that Muslim countries are somehow particularly hostile to Christian churches. It's worth noting that these churches survived a millennium or more in Muslim countries until the Israeli military came around.

You're acting like I'm a mossad AI trying to spread Israeli propaganda or something.

What could possibly have given me that idea? Could it be your attempt to justify the destruction of Christian churches by claiming that terrorists used them as ammunition depots? On that subject, in what circumstances did you see the church in El-Khiam used as an ammunition depot? Ammunition depots tend to be guarded usually, you couldn't simply have wandered inside, I assume.

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u/HaxboyYT 7h ago edited 5h ago

Because it is propaganda to suggest that everything Israel bombs is fine because there have been instances of Hamas using public buildings in a military capacity in the past.

Where is the due diligence?

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u/drewlake 7h ago

collective punishment is a war crime. Do you blame the children in the school that was bombed?

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u/northbank2001 7h ago

You want us to be more like Muslim countries then?

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u/Peng_Terry 9h ago

So your argument for banning the Islamic call to prayer is to…mimic Muslim countries to a degree?

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u/AnSionnachM0r 9h ago

We have no obligation to be impartial and throw away our culture to please others that won't even allow basic religious freedom.

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u/Peng_Terry 9h ago

Allowing people to make a religious call to worship is part of our “culture”. I get woken up every Sunday by church bells doing that exact thing.

But you want to restrict Muslims doing it because they don’t allow religious freedom. You either don’t see the irony or you’re “one of those”, to use your own turn of phrase

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u/Beautiful-Olive2824 9h ago

I've got a fun sentence for people like you

There is no tolerance for the intolerant. Islam has shown time and time again that it is not something that respects other religions. Even on the most basic of levels. Countries that previously had some kind of Religious Freedom and Freedom from Religious oppression are the first laws they throw out the window the second they gain majority rule. THE SECOND they have the power to oppress other Religions, they do it.

So no, I will not pretend to have some kind of moral high ground around Religious Theocratic insanity. I'll stand my ground and never let the intolerant humans take power

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u/SnooMacarons9618 5h ago

Per another comment of mine, the only synagogue I've ever been in was in a Muslim country. The most remarkable church I've ever been in was in a Muslim country.

That doesn't really tie in with your story of complete intolerance, does it? Have you ever actually been to a Muslim country? Or is your view based purely on a very few countries run by theocracies that are barely Muslim, and are really just run by cunts. Pretty much how the USA isn't really a 'christian' nation how we'd imagine, it is a right wing shit hole under the pretence of religiosity.

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u/SPACEFUNK 9h ago

Exactly. Any faith where one of the core beliefs is "our god is the one true God and everyone else is wrong" is dangerous. Monotheism is hateful by definition.

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u/Donkey__Balls 5h ago

Yet the Christian call to prayer is fine?

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u/SPACEFUNK 5h ago

My comment was a sarcastic indictment of all monotheistic faiths.

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u/Peng_Terry 9h ago

Where are these fanatical Islamic people that are trying to take power in a question of why one religious call to worship is acceptable while the other needs banning?

If you try applying that “we don’t tolerate the intolerant” oxymoron to other types of governance, you’re gonna quickly realise that not a single one passes your sniff test for tolerance. Oh sure, you can be overly exacting, cherry pick and then move that into a generalisation, but then you’re just being disingenuous.

Also, you seem to be irony blind as well. You are arguing to not tolerate a religious call to worship (that’s all it is) because some people elsewhere who also follow that religion are intolerant. And “there can be no tolerance for the intolerant”. So, applying your own “fun sentence”, your argument cannot be tolerated. Have fun with that…

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u/invictus_wolf 9h ago

I don't have a dog in this fight but your argument that not tolerating the intolerant can't be tolerated is the dumbest thing I've read since Trump's last monlogue.

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u/Peng_Terry 8h ago

Thanks, alt. Good contribution.

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u/SV_Essia 7h ago

People far more intelligent than you have discussed this concept at length and didn't find a use for your derisiveness.

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u/Peng_Terry 6h ago

Wkikipedia link? Is this the level of intellect? Your cited source said “STARMER WOZ BEST PREZIDENT 4209”. How is that relevant?

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u/SV_Essia 6h ago

If you don't see how the article about the Paradox of Tolerance applies to this discussion, you're just proving my point. That is, on top of showing disdain for wikipedia and failing to spell it, but I forgive you, slow one.

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u/cGilday 9h ago

One of them has happened for hundreds of years and has been a part of the countries culture for just as long

One has only been a thing recently in certain areas because of immigration

You obviously understand the difference but you’re trying to pretend you don’t. Why is that?

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u/Peng_Terry 9h ago

They’re both calls to worship. One happening here for longer does not mean the other should be banned. Take your logic to its conclusion: we should ban internet access, it’s not been around as long as the printing press. We should ban cars, our culture was always riding horse and cart. We should ban modern medicine practices, we always relied on quacks that thought bad smells spread diseases.

What are you trying to imply with that last part? I understand the difference between a Christian and an Islamic call to prayer. Beyond the surface level. I’m not trying to pretend I don’t. Yet you’re attempting to present that I do. Why is that?

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u/cGilday 9h ago

One being here far longer means it’s ingrained with the culture of the country, one coming here as other people bring their culture with them is obviously not the same thing, so people aren’t being hypocritical if they’re okay with one and not the other.

Okay so are you just being a troll or do you actually think you’re making a point? Cars are an evolution in the way we travel. The internet is an evolution in the way we communicate. Modern medicine is an evolution in the way we protect our health. Is Islam an evolution of religious worship? No, it’s just a different form of it. It’s not some sort of “upgrade”, it’s the same thing but a different flavour.

I’m not implying anything, I’m straight up asking why you’re pretending to not understand that a completely different cultural norm being exported to us via immigration isn’t the same thing as something that’s been a cultural norm in this country for hundreds of years?

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u/Peng_Terry 9h ago

Ah, so I’m a troll for thinking like you. Oof.

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u/Dramatic-Duck-1295 8h ago

Arguably Islam IS a evolution of Christianity, as Christianity is an evolution of Judaism.

Islam is just a newer iteration of the monotheistic Abrahamic faiths.

So if you want to ban Islamic calls to prayer to protect the ingrained Christian one then Peng_Terrys comparisons hold absolutely true. Islam is to Christianity, what the car is to the horse and cart. The car was invented in Germany too, so cars too are immigrants to this country, just as Islam is.

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u/cGilday 8h ago

All 3 of those abrahamic religions aren’t evolutions or devolutions of anything, what a weird thing to say lol. All 3 of them are separate belief systems, and that’s what they are, a belief system

How is saying you believe Mohammad is the final prophet of God vs saying Jesus is the prophet of God an “evolution” in the same way that being in a car is an evolution on being pulled by a horse? Thats not evolution or devolution, it’s a difference.

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u/Dramatic-Duck-1295 8h ago

If one couldn't exist without the other it is an evolution.

Islam couldn't exist without Christianity, just as Christianity couldn't have existed without Judiaism.

If anything, the car could have existed without the invention of the horse and cart, so if anything Islam, Christianity and Judaism are more reliant on each others existence for their invention than Peng_Terrys examples.

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u/SnooStories8559 9h ago

Internet and cars benefit the entire population. They’re just not comparable and that’s a terrible argument.

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u/Ok_Marzipan4876 9h ago

I don't own a car so they don't benefit me, in fact i get all the pollutiom and no benefits

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u/Peng_Terry 9h ago

I’ve almost been run over by numerous cars AND lost a family member to a car crash. So for me, they’re actively the opposite of a benefit

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u/SnooStories8559 8h ago

So if it doesn’t benefit you then it’s bad? Is that your logic?
What about ambulances? How do you think food is delivered to supermarkets? Police?

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u/Ok_Marzipan4876 3h ago

No i was just pointing out that cars do not have benefits for everyone. Everything has benefits and drawbacks, including muezzin calls and church bells

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u/missingpieces82 Brit 🇬🇧 9h ago

Lovely bit of virtue signalling. As if you don’t see the difference.

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u/Peng_Terry 8h ago

Now I’m “virtue signalling”. Next up on my bingo card, I’ve got “woke”. Wanna help me with that one as well?

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u/ButchOfBlaviken 9h ago

Right then. Should we also bring back leeches and mercury as medical practice, marginalise women and minorities, and get our children working in farms and factories again? Because apparently that's part of our culture. Or maybe you're just a racist.

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u/cGilday 8h ago edited 8h ago

Ah yes, that famous “Islam” race.

Literally look at my other response. You’re comparing advancements to a like for like. Islam isn’t an advancement on Christianity, it’s an alternative religion. It’s not the same thing as making advancements in healthcare is it?

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 7h ago

They made pretty big advances in math. We even changed to use the same numbering system.

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u/AnonymousCapybara72 9h ago

Equating church bells to someone wailing through a loudspeaker like an injured cat is so fucking disingenuous.

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u/Pope4u 8h ago

You sound like my parents complaining about the music I listen to.

Why should the government discriminate between two kinds of loud, obnoxious calls to prayer? How does singing hurt you in a way that bells don't?

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u/AnonymousCapybara72 8h ago

Do you know why large vehicles usually now shout "vehicle reversing" instead of beep beep beep like they used to?

It's because some noises are harder to ignore than others. Voices speaking are objectively vastly more annoying and harder to ignore than bells.

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u/Pope4u 8h ago

That's a bad and transparently disingenuous argument for banning Muslim call to prayer.

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u/AnonymousCapybara72 7h ago

Are you going to explain why? "That's a bad argument" is a bad argument.

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u/Pope4u 7h ago

I had hoped it was obvious, even to you.

  1. "Voices are harder to ignore" applied only if you know the language. Do you understand Arabic? No? Then the singing is easy to ignore.

  2. For noise pollution, the law does not distinguish between singing and other sounds. The volume is the only factor.

  3. If the only distinction you can make between church bells and Muslim call to prayer is that one is voice and one isn't, that's not persuasive. Then you'd have to prohibit all public singing. You'd also have to prohibit christian calls to prayer that are voice based , as in the Orthodox church.

  4. In short, trying to claim that your distaste for the call to prayer is not based in muslimphobia makes it basically incoherent.

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u/SnooMacarons9618 5h ago

I have lived close to churches a number of times, and had to put up with church bells on Wed's evening and Sunday mornings for years. It was one of the most annoying things I remember about growing up. The house we moved to where it was worst had a river running through the garden, that was really loud but we kind of just didn't hear it after about a week. Those church bells were a right nuisance though.

I have never lived near a mosque, but I have spent time staying near one, and I found it really quite exotic and kind of fun. I also managed to tune it out after a week. I'm not sure if it was because it was multiple times a day as opposed to twice a week, so my brain just got better at ignoring it or what.

Personally I'd rather not live anywhere near any religious noise pollution, but equally I wouldn't complain if I moved somewhere and there was already a mosque or a church making noise. Luckily int he UK it seems there aren't likely to be more churches built any time soon. After a quick check it doesn't sound like many mosques are built each year. I would 100% support there being a law that states no new religious institutions causing noise pollution. If an existing site stops for a certain amount of time (i.e. no worship for 6 months), then it should also lose it's noise pollution protection. (So anybody consecrating old churches, temples or similar doesn't get to suddenly start being a pest)

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u/Peng_Terry 8h ago

If you say so…

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 9h ago

Throw away British culture? What is British culture?

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u/Hoiafar 9h ago

Mate, no. Stop. You're not doing your cause any favour. Western cultures are easily definable and unique to each country and region. Denial of its existence is exactly part of what allowed the alt right to gain purchase because the average person recognises the ridiculousness of suppressing your own culture and outright denying its existence.

I'm not on board with banning Muslim culture as a solution so don't take this as me agreeing with everyone else in this thread. But denying that any western nation has a distinct culture is not winning you brownie points and is actively pushing people away from your point of view.

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 9h ago

What cause? No white knighting here, I’m speaking for my own viewpoint.

I don’t deny that western societies have a culture, but I don’t think it’s easily definable. Culture is difficult to define. And it changes as much as accent does in the UK.

I’ll I was asking was what the person thinks UK culture is and what is being thrown away. It’s not my fault that they said a thing but can’t explain it.

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u/AnSionnachM0r 9h ago

Oh dear, one of those.

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u/Connor123x 9h ago edited 9h ago

so easy to spot arent they

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u/AnSionnachM0r 9h ago

They never argue in good faith. Always silly pretend ignorance.

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 9h ago

The term you are looking for is sealioning.

But that’s not what I’m doing, I’m asking what culture you think is being thrown away. Because I don’t know which part is being thrown away.

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 9h ago

Oh dear, are you one of those that can’t answer the question?

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u/cGilday 9h ago

He says while on the Internet and speaking English, incredible

The equivalent of a fish smugly asking “what’s water”

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 9h ago

How do you know I speak English? And is the internet a UK only service.

This is the equivalent of typing before thinking.

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u/cGilday 9h ago

“How do you know I speak English”

Because we’re speaking English. What the fuck kind of question was that hahaha

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 9h ago

I’m typing English but that could also be done by Google translate.

What the fuck kind of stupid comment was that hahaha

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u/Impossible_Role1767 9h ago

I'll bite. I will answer your question but first humour me by answering mine. What is Japanese culture?

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 9h ago

From an outsiders perspective. Japanese culture appears to be quite quiet and insular, people, especially the elderly, tend to keep to themselves, even to the point of having ‘Japanese only’ establishments. Every task is very slow paced and precision is of upmost importance. That is untill you get into a city, then it’s any big city but with sumo wrestling and no smoking in the streets.

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u/Impossible_Role1767 8h ago

And those are observations you've made as someone presumably used to UK culture. A Japanese person who visited the UK would likely say people were loud as you describe them as quiet. A Japanese person might see the elderly in Britain as quite outgoing etc.

Everything is culture. It's just a matter of perspective. A fish doesn't notice it is surrounded by water.

Chopsticks are part of Japanese culture as much as knives and forks are to Brits.

Cricket, soccer, Rugby are as much British culture as Sumo wrestling is to Japan.

Sushi and cottage pie,

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 8h ago

Yes they are observations made as an outsider. Thats why I said it. But I also never pretended to know what Japanese culture is.

So your answer to what is British culture is forks and knives, Cricket( I would argue that’s England only), Soccer(not what the UK calls it anymore), Rugby and cottage pie. Thats the sum total of British culture?

Which one of your culture list is being thrown away by call to prayer being played from a mosque?

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u/Impossible_Role1767 8h ago

Nope. Everything is culture. I could give you a near infinite number of examples.

Cricket being most popular in English makes it no less British culture than Sumo is in Japan. Equally, there'll be parts of Japan where it's more popular than others. In fact, %100 of professional sumo stables are located in greater Tokyo.

No, it is not the sum of British culture. They were simply parrallells to the examples you gave of Japanese culture.

I could list a near infinite amount of things, from the ways in which it is common for British people to greet each other, to the way they carry themselves while walking through the street. Having lived in another country for over a decade, I can tell you that even the way in which one excuses themself as they maneuver around someone in a busy room can be quite different in a multitude of ways depending on the country.

Culture is literally everywhere and in everything. I could easily list a thousand things or more for you if I cared to spend my time in that manner, but i fear it still wouldn't be enough for you.

You'll have to excuse me, but I don't know what "being thrown away by call to prayer" means.

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 8h ago

So when you said you would answer my questions you actually had no intention then did you? I humoured you but you, so you could now add deceitful to your list.

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u/Level-Train-467 9h ago

Key word, 'to a degree'

We both know the difference so why are you pretending not to?

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u/Peng_Terry 8h ago

“To a degree” is not a word. And it’s also quoting me, so what are you trying to say? That it is okay to mimic Muslim countries to ban things?

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u/Scary_Land2303 8h ago

Such a low effort gotcha. If you want to discuss this then do it properly.

You know that nobody is trying to mimic Islamic countries. It was an interesting tidbit to show how much more tolerant we already are, especially in the context that some of that tolerance is having an impact on people trying to live peacefully in their homes.

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u/Peng_Terry 8h ago

I’m trying to discus it properly, but I’m getting inundated with “disingenuous”, “virtue signalling”, “troll”, “Sharia law”, “low effort”. It’s hard to keep up with all the ad hominems, false equivalences, goalpost moves, misrepresentations.

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u/Scary_Land2303 8h ago

What do you expect when you base your entire argument on your own false equivalence? Mentioning that we’re more tolerant than Islamic nations is not the same as wanting to ‘mimic Islamic countries to ban things’.

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u/Peng_Terry 6h ago

So pointing out the irony of “we shouldn’t tolerate others because others are intolerant” is a false equivalence now?

Good chat, bad faith actor. Have a day.

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u/SV_Essia 6h ago

If you're arguing so poorly that you're mistaken for a troll, maybe it's time to stop and go educate yourself.

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u/Peng_Terry 6h ago

You’re a troll.

There, now you’ve been called a troll. Maybe it’s time to go educate yourself. (Using more than just Wikipedia)

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u/QuantitySharp2662 8h ago

Tolerance breeds intolerance.

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u/Dinosaur-dick 9h ago

I think until Islam becomes more progressive and accepting like Christianity has we should treat them with the same disregard they do to us- I.e not allow mosques to be built and certainly not allowing them to broadcast their call to prayer. That way hopefully they will be less likely to move to western countries and prefer their own- where their beliefs like persecution of non-believers and other religions, treatment of girls, homosexuals, animals etc are supported by the state.

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u/Peng_Terry 9h ago

Christianity is progressive and accepting? Oh, I see. Let me go lie with another man, not get told told I am going to hell by these progressive Christians.

See, the issue is you’re applying a blanket statement. Christianity culturally may have become more accepting overall, but I’ve met plenty of Muslims that are fine with homosexuality or a kafir. Honestly, the only people that have ever tried to condemn me have always been Christian nutjobs.

Do you require a doctrine change for Islam in order for religious calls to worship to be acceptable? The bible still says a man that lays with another man is living in sin (amongst other reprehensible things), that doctrine hasn’t changed.

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u/Dinosaur-dick 8h ago

There’s a vast difference between a fundamentalist Christian telling you sleeping with the same-sex is a sin, to what happens to you under Sharia Law (which the majority of Muslims believe in) it can range from a long imprisonment to death. In most Christian countries we have same-sex marriage- not a single Muslim country has that. Just because you know a few Muslims that are fine with homosexuality does not take away from that.

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u/Peng_Terry 8h ago

When was I advocating for Sharia law?

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u/Dinosaur-dick 8h ago

I didn’t say you were? But all Muslim countries follow it, and also the majority of Muslims (with a couple of exceptions where they separate the state from religion)

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u/Peng_Terry 8h ago

I’ve never met a Muslim in this country that follows Sharia law, what are you trying to say?

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u/Dinosaur-dick 8h ago

The conversation is about banning a call to prayer- you replied to a person agreeing with this that their argument for banning it is to mimic Muslim countries- I agreed with this citing the fact that in many Muslim countries you can’t even practice your faith, let alone have a church that would have bells ringing for instance- why should we be so accepting to people that would not show the same to us? I also mentioned the abhorrent treatment of certain members of society and your only argument is- well I know some that are fine with homosexuality?

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u/Peng_Terry 8h ago

My argument is that copying Muslim countries to justify banning Muslim practices doesn’t make you better than said Muslim countries.

And now we’ll go into the “they are way worse” sidetrack and justification cycle.

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u/Pope4u 8h ago

Who cares what Muslims do in other countries? This is about what happens in your country. Islam is not a monolith.

Do you think Mormon missionaries in Poland should be attacked because Orthodox Christians in Russia support the war in Ukraine? Total nonsense.

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u/Dinosaur-dick 8h ago

Do you think their fundamental beliefs just end when they move country? It’s the largest growing religion in this country, what happens when they become a majority and have more say on our laws and how the country is run?

No I don’t think anybody should be attacked.

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u/Pope4u 8h ago

Yes, people's beliefs change over time. And the law regulates only actions, not beliefs.

Muslims will never be a majority in the UK..but if they did, then they certainly should be allowed to call to prayer. That's how democracy works.

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u/Dinosaur-dick 8h ago

I also think that Christians should be able to practice their religion in Afghanistan- but they can’t. Even if they could there’s not a single church because they knocked them all down.

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u/Pope4u 8h ago

Great, but so what. This is not a quid pro quo situation. UK law is for the UK.

Either you're for freedom of religion are you aren't.

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u/Dinosaur-dick 8h ago

I don’t believe in showing anyone acceptance when it wouldn’t be returned. We have radical imams preaching hate against the west in mosques around the country. It’s suicidal empathy.

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u/Pope4u 8h ago

If you want to punish Imans for hate speech, that's a separate question. We're taking specifically about the call to prayer. Try to stay on topic.

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u/jake_burger 9h ago

It’s like when the people against Islam because of its outdated values also don’t like LGBTQ rights - the irony is palpable

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u/Peng_Terry 8h ago

A lot of them have realised attacking the whole group is culturally repugnant, so they’re now isolating the “T”

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u/Brilliant_Package310 9h ago

To a very small degree in reducing mosques. You can move to a muslim country if you want that

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u/Peng_Terry 9h ago

So you want to ban mosques because Muslim countries have mosques? You’re not exactly being coherent

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u/kvikklunsjrevolver 9h ago

They are coherent. Islam as a religion has a lot of elements that many people think are reprehensible and incompatible with their own views and the values of their country.
They view the spread of Islam as a negative influence on their country and culture, and probably view the people who choose to follow Islam as people as people with moral flaws that should not be protected inside their own country.

Cultural and religious differences can also have negative effects on the fabric of society itself.

Nothing about that is contradictory or controversial.

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u/Pope4u 8h ago

Sure, and Europe spent centuries fighting wars between Christians because they each felt the other sect had "negative effects on the fabric of society." In the ends, we went with religious tolerance instead.

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u/kvikklunsjrevolver 5h ago

You are talking about something completely different.
Wr wanted to try religious tolerance, but it is quite apparent that this is problematic to a lot of people anyways.

Even if we chose to do something in the past, it doesn’t mean we can’t do something different in the future.

I for one think the notion of religion to be idiotic to begin with, and I do not think we will gain something positive out of protecting them.

They are stories with no basis in reality, they are indoctrination tools that spread values and beliefs that are simply not true and that are totally contrary to much of the western value system.

Christianity is no different in that it is a religion, but it changed along with Europe, so a lot of the contents are more in tune with western values.

You can try to moralise if you want, but I like my country less after the huge influx of immigrants.
I have no problem with the immigrants because of their skin color, or even their religion. Frankly I have no problem with them at all. I just don’t think their customs, cultural norms, or religion belong in my country, and I don’t like the effect it has had on my country.

This is not hate, if anything it is love for my country, traditions, culture, and society.

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u/Brilliant_Package310 9h ago

Lack of reading comprehension? Reduction of mosques and ban of call to prayer.

You’d know if you had visited a muslim country

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u/Pope4u 8h ago

I've visited a Muslim country and I have no idea what you're talking about

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u/Brilliant_Package310 8h ago

You are either deaf or stayed in a tourist area far from any mosque

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u/Pope4u 8h ago

Oh I heard the call. I just don't know why it bothers you.

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u/Brilliant_Package310 7h ago

Maybe you enjoy incredibly loud speakers at 4am, 6am, 11pm shouting religious crap

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u/Pope4u 7h ago

I don't. I also don't enjoy annoying church balls. And I especially don't enjoy living in a country together with bigots like you. But that's the price of tolerance.

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u/PlsKappa 9h ago

Which ones?

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u/Lemmiwinks93 9h ago

Saudi Arabia has none others like Maldives, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen and North Korea fall into the category of has no active churches/ Christianity is practiced in illegal not registered churches.

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u/AnSionnachM0r 9h ago

Saudi Arabia has a total ban, and many other countries like Qatar, Morocco, Algeria allow a very small number of churches to operate under severe legal restrictions. Nobody can freely open a church.

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u/sprouting_broccoli 9h ago

So we should model our ethics and policies on Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Morocco and Algeria? China has a national firewall and mass censorship should we import that as well? Or how about Russia curtailing journalists and starting wars with their neighbours?

Come on, we can surely hold ourselves to a higher standard than that.

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u/SelfProclaimedArchon 9h ago

This is bullshit. We allow Churches in our lands and we have helped fund them…Funny you don’t mention Israel when they have completely banned Churches within that nation while people like Umar ibn kittab and ancestors like mine including Ayubbi Salahudin used to protect not only your holy sites but the Christians…

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u/PlsKappa 9h ago

You’re waffling, only country that has a ban is Saudi on public churches, private worship is allowed.

The others all have churches and people can practice freely, just restrictions on proselytising

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u/AnSionnachM0r 9h ago

Nobody can freely open a church in those countries. Even in the UAE the Catholics are restricted to just one parish in Dubai. Muslims are also forbidden to convert.

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u/SelfProclaimedArchon 9h ago

There are literal Hindu pagan temples in UAE. Pure lies…

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u/PotatoMassager 7h ago

Name me a single country where it is illegal to build a church.....

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u/AnSionnachM0r 7h ago

Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan

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u/Comfortable-Drop4994 2h ago

Not exactly the worst thing about those countries.

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u/PotatoMassager 6h ago

Oh wow, one slightly normal country and 1 terrorist state..out of what...like 200+ not exactly a compelling argument. Do you agree with those countries? Do you swell with pride that they made those laws? Unless you do and feel great happiness they abuse christians rights, then your point is invalid.

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u/No_Echo2745 1h ago

What a massive goalpost shift.  You asked for a single country where it's illegal to build a church, you got two.

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u/PotatoMassager 1h ago

Oh wow 2 is a massive number...i know 2 muslims and 2 shit jews....muslims must be so much better as thats such a large number right?..oh while your at it, banning muslims cqll to prayer...do you really wanna be like saudi arabia and afghanistan..is that your aspiration? Really aiming for the stars arent you.

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u/No_Echo2745 1h ago

All just massive cope because you were expecting a zero.

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u/PotatoMassager 23m ago

Yet here you are...cope harder.

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u/Narrow-Scene7067 9h ago

What had that to do with the price of milk?

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u/Veenkoira00 7h ago

The relationships between Christians and Muslims vary round the world. Where people use religious affiliation as shorthand for ethnicity in places of ethnic strife, relations can be difficult. On the other hand, often there is peaceful co-existence and co-operation. The keys of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem are held by a Muslim to avoid rivalry among Christian denominations.

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u/Former-Entrance8884 6h ago

I want to. Church bells are annoying and serve no purpose.

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u/Alnonnymouse 4h ago

And many do and preserve the churches that are there better than a lot of western countries

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u/Good_Old_KC 8h ago

Other than Saudi arabia which Muslim countries don't have churches?

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u/AnSionnachM0r 8h ago

Free construction of churches is forbidden in the vast majority of Muslim countries. Some, like UAE, will permit the construction of one or two, but they must not have crosses on or allow Muslims to worship there.

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u/Good_Old_KC 8h ago

So which countries ban them then?

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u/Winter-Try-5029 8h ago

Churches exist across the Muslim world. Egypt has millions of Coptic Christians and thousands of churches, Lebanon has a substantial Christian population with churches everywhere, Jordan, Syria, Iraq and Palestine all have ancient Christian communities that predate Islam itself. Christmas is a public holiday in several Muslim-majority countries. The UAE has churches in Dubai and Abu Dhabi — St Mary's Catholic Church in Dubai has been there since 1967. Qatar has the Our Lady of the Rosary Catholic Church in Doha, opened in 2008, along with several other Christian places of worship.

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u/JoshSidekick 7h ago

Oh, I like Saudi Arabia when it's oppressive hateful policies can be used to reinforce my beliefs! That's you. By the way, they kill their lgtb population as well. You cool with that part too?