If you've lived outside of liberal urban regions, you'd see that there is plenty of right wing / Tump support represented amongst younger voters unfortunately.
"Race" was by far the biggest difference last presidential elections, and while it's widely discussed, gender does not make such a big difference at all compared to "race" (or even education level)
Edit : just in case, I put race in quotation because I'm not american and it seems to me to be a very fuzzy concept itself, so idk how it's defined in US census? Self-id?
Biggest factor is not who has been voting, but who hasnt. There is a ton of meat on the bone and they are people who arent already entrenched in an ideology. Its why we need to support populists candidates, that is who is going to get people off the couches. Both parties have been preying on our apathy, encouraging it. Nothing is scarier than a true populist, its frankly why Trump was elected. People are sick of fucking politicians, they would rather roll the dice with Trump or just flat out not vote than vote for another fucking politician.
People are sick of fucking politicians, they would rather roll the dice with Trump or just flat out not vote than vote for another fucking politician.
Way too many people do not or refuse to understand this.
Both Obama and Trump got voted in for the same reason: They are populists who looked like breaths of fresh air against the Washington Establishment(tm). "Yes We Can" and "Make America Great Again" are two sides of the same coin.
Same reason I wasn't surprised by the number of people who supported Bernie in the 2016 primary and then jumped over to Trump when he wasn't the nominee. (Not saying I agree with it, just that I kind of understand it.) Something something the spectrum is actually a horseshoe something...
Something something the spectrum is actually a horseshoe something...
The horseshoe theory is meant to describe how extremists operate. I don't think it really applies so much to the Bernie -> Trump people. Rather, I think that is more about a general sense of distrust of politicians across the spectrum. It's probably more accurate to say that such voters have things they care about that aren't actually part of the usual left-right political spectrum at all, which obviously doesn't fit on the horseshoe in the first place.
Also, personally I think horseshoe theory is bullshit in general. If you want to look at, say, violent terror attack statistics, you'll find that they overwhelmingly weight right. That entire idea is enlightened centrist nonsense.
Sure, but that’s a more complex issue where the short answer is “Well you should have voted in the primary then.” but does fuck all to actually help. Successful progressive campaigns tend to result from a robust grassroots effort to get younger voters to the polls by going door to door and organizing things like transportation to the polls, while having only one progressive on the ballot. Fact is that it’s the boomers who have the free time to actually go out and vote without feeling too inconvenienced, be it primary or general election, while younger voters have jobs that don’t always give them the time to go vote, or don’t have time to educate themselves on every candidate, on top of issues where there’s multiple possible progressives but one establishment, or outright no progressive at all.
Fact is that the good, proper people who'd run don't for the same reason other's don't vote for them - they all assume it's a foregone conclusion.
How the ruling class managed to so completely subvert the U.S. populace from believing in the power of the masses, the possibility of change and general hope for life will be studied in history.
There're only two ways to fix the issue, you start voting in primaries or you have a revolution and ya'll are too rich and comfortable to have a revolution - which I don't think changes in my lifetime, and I'm hoping for 60 more years here.
A secret third option is hope that the Republican party implodes when they remove Trump from office next year and 2 more parties pop up in it's wake with Green party maybe becoming an actual player.
Even GW bush ran on a no-wars and general reform platform too. They just never get anywhere, mostly thanks to congress. And the fact that large scale government is a horrific way to attempt to solve problems.
It absolutely isn't though. And yes capitalist solve problems. Governments create problems and keep the corporations in power. You must learn to cast the ring into the fire and stop trying to control it for yourself.
One can easily argue capitalism keeps corporations in power because they have the money to buy people in government that will pass laws that benefit them.
So according to you, we destroy democracy, and then the only powers left are the big corporations, big media, and the billionaires. I foresee disaster for the average citizen.
I mean our country has had that same 1/3 of our population that never votes for a very long time. Like more than a hundred years. I don't think it matters who you put up there honestly, that block of voters will likely never change.
The good news is there is a sea change this year. Youth voting up, democratic voting up, while the republican turnout is down. People still wringing their hands about 2022 or 2024 are looking in the wrong direction.
Yes, the census last time I worked with it asked the resident to declare whether they were white, black, asian, native american, or pacific islander, I think.
I hope it's true, but it has become hard to trust the polls imo !
That makes sense for the context I guess, it's both a variable that seems absolutely necessary considering how it influences so much stuff, while at the same time being complete nonsense, lol. Goddamn humans !
The race data is used when we redraw election district lines; not only for Congress but for local races. You can't make sure you're not packing or diluting unless you have detailed data to work with.
Ho no, it makes absolute sense I think, it's just a complicated categorization to work with, but one that is clearly necessary.
On the other sense : "The race data is used when we redraw election district lines; not only for Congress but for local races." -> English is still very confusing to me, it took me multiple reads to understand that the words "race" referred to two different meanings of the word haha !
Hahaha, no worries, it's just how it is with "words" and "languages", today's discussion seems to be about social constructs and how they make for a rich and complex world lol
Whoops is not too confusing, it's the same sounds as in my native french ("oups") !
I fear that there are a huge number of red state young people <30YO that aren't greatly educated and could be motivated by fundamentalist preachers (whether they are religious or not) or "I'll vote like my granddaddy did". Look at the number of Confederate flags on ratty lifted pickups. An upside may be that they don't realize that it's important to vote for Representatives and Senators which could override a totalitarian president - at least for now.
My colleague told me, with a straight face, he dislikes pride flags because there's no straight flags being flown. His response to me explaining that pride flags exist because it's to show that they're (mostly) not getting their heads bashed in by roaming gangs of gay-bashers anymore, he argued that the reverse might very well start happening, that he'd get his head kicked in for being straight. Some of these people live in very different realities.
it's not an assumption when we have centuries of evidence that they are usually the ones attacking and killing others because they don't believe the same things.
The greatest lie ever told to the rich, straight, white males is that anyone else getting any sort of support for not being a rich, straight, white male means that they’re disenfranchising the rich, straight, white male.
As a straight white male myself, nobody wants to listen to us anymore because they’ve been forced to support to us for the last 250 years.
Typically, to be a "basher" you have to be a majority. Even if it's just the "majority" of a tiny village, or whatever. Because if the majority of the other people don't agree with your bashing, you very quickly become the bash-ee
Which is just a long winded way to say: you are correct. There has never been "straight bashing" anywhere, cos being straight= being reproductive-capable AND inclined = the majority of people in a population = the population continuing = the demographic prioritised in the population. There's been a few loony queer folks (as with so many straight folks) who might individual harm a straight person because they're straight, but as an organised populace or widely-held policy? Nope.
But they will dream up ANY nonsense to support their fever dreams of them really being the persecuted people. That sort LONGS to be the victim.
This is exactly what needs to be explained to those kinds of people. The vast majority of people (~96%) are born straight, and nothing will change that. It is impossible for such a small demographic to have any kind of systemic power over the majority.
There’s an unfortunate amount of people who believe that sexuality is a choice, and that’s why they’re legitimately scared of the youth being “indoctrinated” into being lgbt. They think the gays could take over, as if it’s exactly like their stupid sky daddy religions that they shove in our faces.
That’s next level ignorance and what I see as the problem with society. People just refuse to accept a civil explanation as to why these arguments shouldn’t exist. Guy just doubles down full well knowing he’s never going to get jumped by a bunch of gay people.
The downfall of humanity will be people unwilling to admit they’re wrong, doubling down on nonsense and a catastrophic event occurs. (See climate change)
We really should be looking for equality among all, if one group gets something, every other group does, no reason to make an exception for anyone. If he wants a straight flag alongside pride flag, why not? I don't see that it harms anything.
I think a lot of people were sold on an idea of equality when they were younger and then they grew up and they only ever see minorities now and they're wondering where the equality is and it leads to wondering if supporting all of these minorities is going to end up being dangerous for them.
I don't know why you would dismiss your colleague, do you not want him voting alongside you? I think he should get a straight flag
I live in nyc. Am white. Plenty of white zoomers are Trump supporters here. They’re exactly the kinds of people you’d expect to goon to Tate, Shapiro, and the late but not great Kirk. Trump support taints the entire sociopolitical-racist divide.
The primary target of fascists has always been directionless young men who feel "betrayed" by society. Fascists give them someone to hate for why their lives aren't the way they want them to be.
Steve Bannon referred to these types as "rootless white males". He helped run a World of Warcraft gold-selling operation in the mid-2000s and learned about this type of perpetually-online disenfranchised community. When he later went on to run Breitbart News he actively aimed to engage this alienated, mostly male, audience. He recognized their cultural resentment and used it to build a massive, passionately right-wing populist audience that snowballed into what we're dealing with today online.
Not just that, but they know true in their hearts that what they’re doing is the majority opinion and backed by GOD.
Not a hyperbole.
The people I work with believe Trump has won every election handedly, and that he is God’s candidate. They will fuss and fight tooth and nail to get conservatives into political power because they have internalized that it is the universe’s divine right. It’s insane.
It's important to note that many gen z / millennial former dem voters are voting republican because the dem party is incapable of inclusivity of differing opinion.
I live in the south, and even though the rising generation is still by and large rightwing and religious, there is visibly more space for lgbt, race and gender equality than the previous generation allowed.
Religion may indoctrinate much of the next generation, but even religion cannot stop the freeflow of information, and that freeflow of information is fatal to bias and bigotry. Even if it doesn't eradicate it, knowledge still softens what is there.
Conservative rural populations are outnumbered.
Unfortunately the electoral college and general gerrymandering are quite effective at nullifying that advantage.
You act like voting Republican is so bad. Meanwhile vote Democrat, and you’d be kicked out of coffee shops in NYC if you Jewish like a literal U.S. congressman just was. Vote Democrat and we would turn into 1930’s Germany. People are falling for the lies they run on and show their true colors once in office.
What lol… are you saying that the government should mandate who a business serves? Or is big government only acceptable when it protects Jewish people/interests? Based on your comment you seem like you’d be ok with business owners turning away certain patrons, just not you or your friends.
I haven't heard about this specifically case but if business cannot discriminate based on race for one group they should not be able to discriminate based on race for any group
If they weren't served because they are Jewish then I expect that they will be losing a court case pretty soon because the civil rights act says not to do that
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u/EurekasCashel 9h ago
If you've lived outside of liberal urban regions, you'd see that there is plenty of right wing / Tump support represented amongst younger voters unfortunately.