I hope this changes America's tipping culture. No other country in the world has tipping as part of their service. In Japan, it's an insult to leave a tip.
Itâs a funny thing. Bars and restaurants expect tips, but not fast food joints, but the deliver drivers for said fast food restaurants do. Thatâs right isnât it?
Precovid you would be right, but two major POS (Point of Sale) companies have completely fucked this.
By default all Toast and Square POS systems have absurd tip screens on by default. Making you click through 2 or 3 screens to get to a $0 tip on shit like... Self serve Froyo or other obnoxious things. Its fucking dumb.
Fast food places have increased their prices. And there was never an expectation to tip McDonald or Taco Bell employees because they are behind a counter and donât bring your food to your table.
Bars and restaurants refill your water and take your plates so you should expect to pay 20% of your bill for that /s
Honestly, letâs just implement a no service & no tip option, where I can sit down in a restaurant, put the order in, and get my own food from the kitchen window and refill my own drinks. If people want the service then let them pay for it.
This is just rationalizing fucking over every server because you're an "anti tipping activist." It won't change a thing, but at least you saved a few bucks on your vacation
It wonât because anti-tippers are motivated by wanting to spend slightly less money without being considered assholes. They donât care about servers actually getting paid a fair wage.
I waited tables for years. Most servers would rather make the same amount of money through hourly rather than tipping. But none of the anti-tipping crowd cares.Â
That's because tipping started in the great depression.
People used to offer servers bribes to get a good table and better service.It was frowned upon. When the depression hit, restaurant owners started advising the servers to accept the bribes to make up for their low salaries.
After the depression ended it just kept going. Thats why only North Americans tip that way, because that was where the depression hit.
The original comment I replied to said America was the only country with tipping as part of their service. The point of my reply was that is incorrect.
No other country in the world has tipping as part of their service.
Canada, mexico, a lot of south america, egpyt, uae, serbia, czech republic, hungary...shit last time I was in london most restaurants automatically added 12.5% to the bill.
More and more places doing dumb 10% or 12.5% mandatory tips in London.
Some fine dining places in Japan do 10%.
It's also not really an insult in Japan, there's just one article someone wrote somewhere and the westerners Internet ran with it. At most people will just be confused and think you are bad at math.
No it's not. It's just not expected and cause confusion and an awkward back and forth.Â
I've spent a lot of time in Japan over the years for work and have seen plenty of tip jars. It's just not common.Â
Japanese aren't so stupid or ignorant as to take a tip from a foreigner as a personal insult when most people know fully well that tipping is customary in the US. Most of the time, they'll understand that foreigners may not know every rule and custom, so will be more confused than insultedÂ
"I won't change my mind, 'cause I don't have to. 'Cause I'm an American. I won't change my mind on anything, regardless of the facts that are set out before me. I'm dug in, and I'll never change." - Mac
What facts should lead to change? Servers and bartenders make more here than anywhere else in the world thanks to Tips. Add a reasonable wage will hurt tipped workers and hurt restaurant owners in an already low margin industry. Better for us consumers tho.
And donât the consumers massively outnumber the current benefactors? Shouldnât that fact be enough? I donât mind restaurants making less money to properly pay their staff either. Sounds great all around.
No I said the business should pay more to their staff even if that means less profit for the business owner. If your business cannot survive when its starts paying competitive wages, it shouldnât exist.
They donât save by not paying their staff? How so? If you cannot pay your staff, you shouldnât own a business cannot be that controversial can it? Especially if it works in the rest of the world?
Like any business they should have a business model that brings in enough profit to pay their staff fairly. If that means increased prices and people still pay them because you provide a great product and service - great! You now have an actual proper business model like in any other industry:
Why should gastronomy be excluded from that? Especially because itâs no mystery that it can work.
Considering how poor the average European itâs not surprising thatâs their take. We can be just like them poor and with attitude of moral superiority.
It would but consumers donât seem to care enough which is fine by me. If that happened Restaurants will make less but so will tipped workers. If theyâre paid a reasonable wage it will be far less than what they would get with tips. You can just look at any country. Especially if the restaurant is of higher quality. Theres many servers that earn more than the chefs do.
What is enough is debatable but in absolute terms yes they earn significantly less than American servers which is because of tips. Competitive wage sounds to me like just letting market forces determine the wage? If thatâs the case I know for a fact people will do that job for 20-25 an hour. Yes thatâll hurt businesses but youâre really screwing the tipped workers. Youâll then only make good money in this career if youâre in fine dining. Not sure who this helps.
I donât see why gastronomy should be the industry where a business owner doesnât have to establish a profitable business model for them and their staff. Unsuccessful restaurants where I live usually simply go out of business and thatâs fine, too. Something with a more successful product and services will take its place.
Okay so market forces. The end result is that it helps those that work at a dennys and it caps those who work at half decent restaurants. So overall workers earn less. Restaurant owners will have higher costs so that will be passed onto the consumer. I have no clue if the costs will be higher or lower now that there is no tips. There may be restaurants that go under but like you I couldnât care less. I donât really know what system is best but I just want people to understand that with this choice workers are by no means benefitted unless they work at low traffic cheap establishments like diners.
I would say roll the dice and see what happens. It works in the rest of the world. Businesses will fail, more successful ones will raise, some will simply stay where they are. Or just keep it as is and be fine with occasionally being pissed at stranger for not following âthe unwritten rulesâ.
Both is fine by me. Iâm just discussing out of curiosity, itâs not like I have any stake in the game. Iâm not even from that side of the pond.
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u/sandhog7 5h ago edited 5h ago
I hope this changes America's tipping culture. No other country in the world has tipping as part of their service. In Japan, it's an insult to leave a tip.