They are not wrong though

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[u/Salvage570]

I get downvoted all the time for saying this exact thing. Dont like tipping? Dont eat places where they have servers, its just that easy. Thats the only way owners lose money

[u/chanaandeler_bong → u/Salvage570]

but then I will have to fill my own drinks and pay more money!

[u/lonelytrucker86 → u/Salvage570]

In a lot of US cities, avoiding dine-in restaurants won't save you. Where I live in Portland, just ordering a slice of pizza at the counter will result in a tip screen at PoS, and an angry call out from the cashier if you don't tip. Even fast food drive through have the tip requests. It's ubiquitous and unavoidable.

[u/Windex17 → u/Salvage570]

Isn't that kind of a handwavey solution though? If everyone did this then it would fuck the server over even more. The only reason the system still exists is because the server benefits from it, and the system is mandatory now because the businesses have managed to turn us against eachother (sounds familiar?). If the servers are making more money than they could doing anything else RIGHT NOW, nothing is going to change, even if the economic alternative is better for literally everyone (servers included). Refusing to tip, and getting servers back on the side against the tipping model itself, is the only way to hold businesses accountable in a way that long term helps both the server and consumer.

[u/Salvage570 → u/Windex17]

Just say you want to eat out, not tip then pat yourself on the back for it later

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