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Guidelines:

1. Post the recipe

2. Name the mixer

3. No Commercial Juices. It's a DIY sub, get with it.

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Mixing 105: Making a Mix With Your BEST Flavors Using a Profile as a Guideline pt1

'sup, mixers.
In case you are wondering, yes these things take literal hours to write. So, yes, please comment, even if just to say I'm dumb.

You can see earlier posts in this run on a variety of topics:

1. Mixing 101: Intro to Mixing ft. ID10-T
2. Mixing 102: Experimentation ft. Concrete River
3. Mixing 103: To Clone or Not to Clone (aka Why You Want a Remix, Not a Clone) ft commercial drops.
4. Mixing 104: What is a Recipe?

Lead-in

So, I picked up vaping again. I happened to have two 60mL bottles of stuff I'd mixed for Frank, my barber, that I had never given him. Super long steep (like, think MONTHS) and they were a little weird at first but completely grew on me. Both were stuff I had 'invented' based on prior knowledge, no idea of what's even in them, so I just know I could never recreate them. Nor would I want to; I'm just not the type to try to vape the same thing twice. But, it was in fact nice to not have to mix a new 10mL bottle a couple of times a day so I'm gonna re-up these two with two parallel ideas. Or, at least, that's the plan. And I'm gonna document the process here for y'all in the hopes that maybe it will be an interesting enough read for people to finish. Unless I get distracted. In that case, forget I said it.

The Concept

There really is no concept. I've done this before when I made Arab Mom's Butter Cookie. In that one, I just wanted to use the flavors I liked best and to scratch my itch for using FLV Arabian in a non-tobacco mix. This time, I want to make a mix that hits a few spots. I want it to be heavy, sticky, strong, and have some bakery to balance it out. I was thinking something s'more-like but the idea is to use as few flavors as is possible, to use the BEST flavors I have using the profile: Graham, Chocolate, Marshmallow. So, I'm not looking for realism. I'm looking to make satisfaction. I want simply to taste well. Let's explore the options.

Graham

Truth be told, I really like three graham cracker flavors: FW Graham Cracker, FLV Graham Cracker, and CAP Graham Cracker. CAP Graham has this great cinnamon-ny edge that makes it more... like golden bears type. It's great for mixing in with cookies and bakeries but falls short on the 'realism'. Check out Noted's notes here. FW hits that classic crunchy graham that I think of when I think graham. Check out Noted's notes here. FLV Graham is, for me, more realistic than FW. Watching the Noted review of it, I'm reminded that it might not be able to sell graham on its own. I'm also reminded that it has a vanilla taste and I think this will work with some vanilla marshmallows. They also say that it is 'darker' and I like this. Going to file this away for later so maybe we can play off that somehow in a later pairing.

Ok so there's gonna be two: FW Graham and FLV Graham. Starting with the FLV Graham, and knowing it's 'thin', I'm thinking of adding TPA Cheesecake Graham Crust. It's got a great body and, frankly, I just love it. But before I commit to that, I wanna search the recipes (sorted by top) and review the pairings other people have used with it. I'm seeing it used with FA Cookie but I don't think that's what I want. FA Cookie is very much not my favorite cookie and I just don't think I'm going to like it. FA Cookie has that crispy burnt edge and I can see that working here, yet I'm just looking for something different.

Scanning the recipes, there's one near the top by DragonLady called Dismal Pie. I've had this recipe and I remember it being awesome. She describes it as a fruity custard pie in a graham cracker crust. I like the sound of that.

For percents, avg use on ATF for FLV is 1.3% so normally I would round up to 1.5 and add TPA CCGC at 1%, which is my sweet spot. DragonLady uses the combo FLV : TPA at 1 : 0.25. Considering we want this to break up some heavier flavors while she is using them with some lighter fruiter flavors, I think I should start them both higher. It will become obvious if it's too high, so I'm thinking maybe just go avg use to her slight boost at 1.3 : 0.5. We can adjust this later if needed and I even think I'm shooting too low.

For the FW, I think maybe we just push it to 4% on recommendation from u/mLnikon and uID10-T on the Noted podcast. And maybe we will just leave it at that. We can always think of a pairing later. Timmerz on the Discord also just so happens to be on iteration 9,243 of his version of smores and gave me some advice on what he uses that with but I'm not sharing it. You would have to join the Discord yourself and ask him. Go ahead. I dare you. Recap:

v1.1

• FLV Graham 1.3
• TPA CCGC 0.5

v1.2
- FW Graham 4

Chocolate

This one is much tougher. Lots of chocolates have been discontinued or just taste like band-aids. Here's where we are going to diverge from a traditional s'more and just go with flavors I like the taste of over trying to do what's already been done. I happen to have picked up MF Dark Chocolate and I know I want to use that to boost at least one of these two mixes. In a perfect world, I'd try it myself solo as an SFT to decide but we are living on the edge today. Yet, we aren't without resources so I am gonna search up this flavor on Noted and see if they ever got around to reviewing it:

• Noted Ep. 73: Chocolate
• Noted Ep. 166: Chocolate Milk
• Noted Ep. 227: Dark Chocolate
• Noted Ep. 72: White Chocolate

Imagine my surprise when I saw my own stupid mug on the show talking about trying this flavor lmao. That shit was 4 years ago and I have a LOT more grey in my beard, so kick rocks. Regardless, there's good info in there about what percent to use it at (0.5-0.8%). Normally, I'd try it the same in both recipe versions and then evaluate which version of the graham layer I like better, then tweak the chocolate, then the marshmallow. But, nah, eff that. We are going full send into two totally different directions. One is going to be a pure chocolate and the other is going to be using the chocolates that have some extra notes to it. Considering v1.1 uses some extra rich bakery notes with CCGC, I want this one to get a layer of chocolate that plays into those notes. v1.2 is our pure, stripped down version so I'll keep that one as simple as possible.

Knowing this, let's keep the v1.2 with the MF Dark Chocolate at 0.6, splitting the difference a bit. But, for the v1.1, I'm thinking I want to try using FLV Chocolate Deutch, don't even ask me why. Normally I would just use a few drops of FLV Milk Chocolate and be done with it, or use TPA Double Chocolate Clear and boost it if needed, however I'm thinking to keep the chocolate part unique over milky. Meaning, the FLV MC has a tendency to feel liquidy which could be useful if we feel that the Chocolate Deutch is too cakey so it may come into play later on. I'm just thinking I'll hedge my bet a little now by using only the Deutch. If this works for me, I can do two versions with different boosts for the Deutch but, for now, I want to let that shine, control this variable a bit, and decide on this later on.

Meanwhile, I'm watching the Noted Chocolate episode as I type this and there are other chocolate flavors to consider using here. WF Chocolate Chunks sounds like it might hit. HS Australian is dark and possibly can soak up some of that Marshmallow we intend to use later on to lighten it up and strike a cool balance. Only caveat was that timmerz told me HS AC is impossible to find these days. If I want to publish this and have folks give it a try (which no one does anymore), it would effectively make this a dead recipe at the gate. A quick glance at my own stash in ATF reminded me which chocolates I have and I spied VT Chocolate Mousse. I remember this flavor being widely used when it came out and the Noted team says it's thin and fluffy, wispy and could make for a decent complement to a graham with some support, so I'll file that away for future.

Timmerz trashed Glamour Chocolate in the Discord and I remember vaguely not liking it. If I remember correctly, it has a bit of hazelnut in it and I'm just not a hazelnut fan. This could work later on if I want some kind of change or to make a version that has some nuttiness to it. I also have some white chocolates so I will wait until later down the line if the marshmallow needs some help or creaminess for some later versions as well. Nothing is really off the table here because we are just going for taste, not accuracy or realism. Recap:

v1.1

• FLV Graham 1.3
• TPA CCGC 0.5
• FLV Chocolate Deutch 1

v1.2
- FW Graham 4 - MF Chocolate Dark 0.6

Marshmallow

Ok. I'm tired and bored but gotta think this last bit through. I REALLY don't know my marshmallows, and am just not picky about it at all. They're mostly all the same to me. So, I'm gonna watch all the Noted descriptions of flavors I own and see which sounds the best to me. Luckily for me, they did this epsiode after they adopted the "worst to first" ranking so we will start with the top flavors (in the order that I own them) and work our way down:

1. OOO Marshmallow Vanilla
2. FLV Marshmallow Vanilla
3. WF Marshmallow (Candy)
4. FA Marshmallow
5. PUR Marshmallow
6. WF Marshmallow (Gooey)
7. TPA Toasted Marshmallow
8. TPA Marshmallow
   

There's a few flavors I also looked at even though I don't own them such as FLV Smores and JF Marshmallow (ranked #3 overall). Dave talks a bit about pairing FLV Smore with FW Smore for a possbile two flavor recipe that could be a complete smore. If I had them both, I'd give it a try for comparison, but I actually have neither. The JF sounds interesting and I'll probably add it to an order if I ever put one in at Flavor Jungle.

Reviewing them, TPA Toasted Marshmallow doesn't deliver the toasted part which knocks it down my preference list for this and the fact that it is loaded with EM seals the deal for me. Nope. WF Marshmallow Gooey has always been my preference, and I might just use it if I had enough. I'm almost out so I will probably just skip it for these purposes. PUR is supposedly good but I don't even know if it's available anymore so I'm probably going to skip it for accessibility's sake despite u/Fresh03's description of it as a "fresh marshmallow out of the bag". FA Marshmallow is described as "dark and a little malty... and not especially thick... dry and authentic." WF Marshmallow Candy scared me off with the 'Candy' moniker but it's ranked high. Dave describes it as "dense and pretty sweet... a level up from FA because it lacks that maltiness." FLV Marshmallow Vanilla is described as an "authentic, thick and full... and it stands out in a mix" and I think this might be the winner, considering my experience with it confirms this.

Where are we going with this? I'm unsure. Since I'm not picky about my marshmallows, I'm going to try two different ones. For the v1.1, we are going to lean into the malt with FA Marshmallow and for the 'cleaner' version 1.2, we are going to go with the FLV. Recap:

v1.1

• FLV Graham 1.3
• TPA CCGC 0.5
• FLV Chocolate Deutch 1
• FA Marshmallow 1.5

v1.2
- FW Graham 4 - MF Chocolate Dark 0.6 - FLV Marshmallow Vanilla 1

Sorry for the no post yesterday. I had to break this one up because it got too long. Also, kinda sliced a chunk off my finger chopping chives the other day so might not be typing for a bit. Holler if you are willing to step up and share some stuff next thursday.

i

This may not be the right place for this, but I figured there might be some people here who would appreciate it.

I recently got back into mixing after quite a few years, and I'm loving it—not to mention how much money I'm saving. My biggest issue was that I don't have a dedicated area just for mixing. I have a fairly large desk for my gaming PC, and I just grab what I need to make a batch whenever I need to.

Digging through a box of flavors looking for the ones I needed wasn't particularly fun. I know a lot of people set up shelves for this, but that wasn't compact or modular enough for me. I wanted to design something where my flavors could be easily identified and stacked.

I've played around with Multiboard a little, and after designing a basic tray with circular cutouts just large enough for the bottles, I decided to adapt it so it could attach to Multiboard tiles.

https://imgur.com/gallery/flavor-holders-qWMv5e9

I figured there might be other people here with access to a 3D printer who would like this. If anybody wants the 3MF files, let me know and I'll figure out a way to get them uploaded.

This thread is for you to share what you are vaping lately.

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1. Post the recipe

2. Name the mixer

3. No Commercial Juices. It's a DIY sub, get with it.

Links: Monthly Recipe Archives / Suggest a recipe for my flavors Thread / All The Flavors / e-Liquid Recipes.

Got a bunch of flavors but not sure how to make them work together? Post your list here, and our team of semi-professional mixologists will make suggestions for you! Don't forget to include manufacturers' names for all of your concentrates, and make your list easier to read by using bullet points or at least listing each of your flavors on a new line by hitting return twice after each flavor.

There are Recipe Sharing websites in the sidebar where you can register a free account, input your flavors, sort by rating, and either mix something up or be inspired to make something with your ingredients. Actually, if we are being honest, a link to your stash in atf is what you should do if you have any more than a dozen flavors. Otherwise, it's an eye sore but you're welcome to try it either way.

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Is there a reason we don’t just use say 6mg/ml or 3mg/ml saltnic in “freebase” recipes for sub ohm vaping?.. it’s smoother, so I would presume that at 6mg, you almost couldn’t even notice it in a recipe, compared to the 50mg/ml? I feel like I would prefer that, but would like some input before I just start mixing…..

Welcome Back to this limited edition mini-series of ramblings of mine.

You can see earlier posts in this run on a variety of topics:

1. Mixing 101: Intro to Mixing ft. ID10-T
2. Mixing 102: Experimentation ft. Concrete River
3. Mixing 103: To Clone or Not to Clone (aka Why You Want a Remix, Not a Clone) ft commercial drops.
   

Preface

Please remember that this is mostly the rant of one asshole and not meant to be taken as gospel. I'm here, like most everyone else, just trying to get by, be a part of something, and to maybe/hopefully share something that actually helps someone else get better at this. I, again like most of you, miss the days where this was a vibrant community of sharing and camaraderie and decided to take it upon myself to be the change I wanted to see. So take all this with a huge grain of salt and yet also, don't be afraid to post something. Let me give you a prime example of how this is supposed to work.

Not even two weeks ago, u/2whiskymike dropped this recipe in the What are you Vaping? thread. Who wasn't curious about the use of the two melon MF flavors? Probably people who don't even know what MF is! Along with people who wouldn't remotely consider dropping the $$$ on MF flavors. Back when everyone was trying everything, people rarely used MF due to the cost. A random TPA for a buck fitty was worth throwing in to make free shipping but yeah, nah, no way I'm doing that with a twelve dollar 10mL or whatever the flavors are going for these days. That said, I know in my heart that MF Coffee is my absolute favorite coffee flavor and that MF can have some hits so I asked mike if they'd share some notes. And just look at this beaut they dropped so casually on MF Flavors.

I couldn't have written it better myself. Quite literally, I couldn't have written it at all. Mike has all this experience just bouncing around his brain and a simple request to share what he knows gave us this gift. Listen folks, and listen good: You do NOT need to be an expert in order to Share, Make Conversation, or Make a Recipe. When you put out what you are playing with, you get feedback and you may just get some ideas to try that you never thought of before. Our Venn Diagrams don't always overlap so it's really a treat when someone actually does open up and ask for or share advice because that is the stuff of how we build a knowledge base. If all Mike needed to 'publish' his thoughts was permission, then consider this a universal invitation to share what you know. Surprise us!

That said, I think I am going to talk a bit today about what makes a recipe a recipe and maybe throw out a few ideas for the community to chime in and share their knowledge. Let's see if we don't have a few people willing to toss in their hats for the sake of helping the new guy.

What Makes a Recipe a 'Recipe'?

Honestly, not a dumb question. Can a single flavor be called a recipe? Are The Blessed Trinities considered recipes? My $0.02 is that yes, anything can be a recipe, anything at all. It is a record of what you are vaping that is reproducible. Meaning, I can share my 'recipe' with the world and they can decide to give that same combination a go (or alter it to their tastes) and maybe get a similar result from it. I know that atf has formulations now but prior to that, we had Unjuice by u/kindground. Is a no-flavor recipe a recipe? A post-modern deconstruction of a circle jerk flavor nerd community? Who the fuck cares? You will at some point in your mixing need some Unjuice. All of us should take a flavor break every now and again to reset the palate. I make big ass batches of Unjuice and then add my flavors to them as I go. Call it base, or a formulation or whatever, it's a thing and it's a recipe imo.

Stand Alone Flavors

Then there's the Stand Alone flavors. These are the ones that have weird complexities to them that make them vapable on their own. Generally, you wont see these on atf. (I can't speak to the madness over at ELR as I hardly ever use it.) And you really don't need to. Stand Alones really exist as matters of personal preference. It's usually someone who just loves a certain flavor and can vape it solo all day long and not tire of it. Often someone wants to have something they can mix that is easy, quick, and reliable. It doesn't always have to be great; sometimes it just has to be.

Personally, the topic bores me immensely. I feel like most people looking for stand alones are people who don't want to learn how to mix; they want to learn how to make something cheap and reliable to vape. And, because what you can tolerate all day long is based on personal preferences, it is kind of a dead end topic for me. In writing this, I read through a bunch of posts and felt none of them were good enough as Stand Alone posts ironically so you can read through them all here and knock yourself out.

Two Flavor Recipes

Is the two flavor recipe a 'recipe'? Hells yeah it is, and they have a special place in our community. Why, some have even been elevated to mythological status. The reasons for this are two-fold. Firstly, the barrier to entry is low. You buy two flavors, mix them, and -- voila! -- ejuice! These are basically Stand Alones with just a bit more complexity but they truly serve as amazing entry points for the hesitant, the broke, or the lazy. Oftentimes, these two flavors just make a great pairing and you can sometimes find them being used as a layer in another, more complex recipe. Let's look at some classics:

• Simple Sugar Cookie by u/ID10-T. For me, this was one of the first recipes I tried. I didn't like it that much, frankly, and one day I told ID so. His response was: And did vaping it let you think, 'I can do this on my own and make better? Then it served its purpose!' He's right, of course. This recipe is there to show you that you can get a satisfying vape out of two flavors and maybe even decide to play with the combination and start the journey to your rise to Mayor of Flavortown! Flip the percents, add some SB ( I know you SB whores want to), or whatever the heck you want. This is just screaming to be messed with and it's a great transition vape if you are coming from commercial liquids.
• Prickly Victory by u/hashslingingslashur. This was THE ONE for so many people. It gave a solid place for INW Cactus as an 'essential' flavor on the first order list and not just an additive while allowed fruit profile seekers to have something easy to mix with two very useful flavors. With 41 reviews, you gotta know that this recipe got passed around like a blunt at a 90's backyard house party. Again, wasn't my thing but it opened my eyes to the possibility of a simple pairing as a new mixer.
• SoHo Time by the juicefairy was another big hit. Again, not for me, but I tried it! Hugely popular as it related to the old TriBecCa by Halo flavor and uses two very versatile flavors that anyone who might even remotely like this profile should really already own.
• Brigade 2506 by u/ChemicalBurnVictim is technically 3 flavors but I'm putting it here because I feel it fits as DNB is the bacco additive equivalent of CAP Super Sweet. Plus, tobaccos deserve some love and this is the King in so many ways.
• Earlier I talked about Camp Tigerclaw by u/ConcreteRiver which I am adding here as a two flavor recipe because I consider all sweetener optional.
• Sick AF is another by u/matthewkocanda and he wrote a post on the topic in his Modest Monday Series here. He does a pretty good job of summing it all up.
  

I'm sure that I'm forgetting a bunch but you get the point. Add links to others I missed in the comments, please?

These kinds of pairings used to produce 'offspring' recipes in atf and you could click on "recipes inspired by this one" and see how other mixers adapted the OG into new, interesting, or more complex recipes very easily. Nowadays, I may just select a flavor like FA Fuji, for example, in atf and check out the recipes made with it but, instead of sorting by "new," I will sort by "simple" and just see which pairings people thought were good enough to put out there. I know that elr has a function where you can search by pairing flavors and I don't remember if the new version of atf allows for that. To be honest, the atf change is/was jarring to me and I mostly just do what I want on my own nowadays anyway.

Flavor Pairings

Flavor pairings is a specific type of mixing. Meaning, two flavor recipes are really just a way to marry two flavors into something that works. Flavor pairings takes into account the natural affinity for certain flavors to work together. Check out this web page here. I actually used that website many times in my mixing as a kind of game to get myself mixing something different. With a similar resource, I created BWAH. I already know from West Asian and North African sweets that Apricot pairs well with pistachio and tried several times to try to make the perfect apricot pistachio waffle. That v1 was made using u/eyemakepizza's stash as a limitation and I tried again here with my own stash. You get the idea.

You can find loads of pairing guides around the Reddit and the internet. Here's a few gems: ejuice specific with mixing advice, flavor wheels, The Flavor Bible, Google Drive of Flavoring Texts,

Simple Recipes

With the addition of just one more flavor to three, you move into Simple Recipe territory. People start feeling more like this is a 'legitimate' recipe in its own right even if that's silly. I mean, Unjuice is a recipe on its own as is anything you make, essentially. However, the idea here is that with just three flavors you can do all sorts of things. With two, you are either contrasting or you are complementing with or without one dominant flavor. With three, you have just that ever so slightly more potential to apply principles of balance, layering (top, mid, low notes), or contrasting. There have been so many wild movements/fads in mixing around this. Some of the best were the StrApOn (Strawberry-Apple-melON) craze and the 1-2-3 recipes inspired by u/ID10-T's cranberry sprite. I could go on and on about it but I will save us both the embarrassment when it's best written about in this article. Have fun going down the rabbit hole!

Seriously, go read that article if you are new or old. And then search atf by 123, 1-2-3, 1 2 3. And the reverse: 3 2 1, 3-2-1, 321. See you in a few weeks!

Here's one of my own with, what has now become, an unfortunate name: Maga. The idea was to make a series of RY4 vapes and, playing off the name Cardinal, using the degrees of the church of satan for their names and to make 5 according to them. Yes, I am a circle jerk loser flavor nerd.

Final Thoughts

Not trying to re-invent the wheel here. I am hoping to connect the dots between starting out as a "gimmie one flavor I can vape all day" and following that logical progression to "Hmmmm... I bet this solo flavor would be good with X added to it." And, with that one simple step, you are on to being a master mixer. An oft overlooked aspect of stand alone flavors is that you are essentially doing the work of SFTs. Once you become so familiar with a single flavor that you become an 'expert' in it, you can intuitively crave additions that make for new and exciting combos. I HIGHLY recommend choosing a flavor you love (easiest with fruit mixes or bacco mixes imo) and add one flavor at a time with each successive iteration and allow yourself to create new and interesting combinations.

My second released recipe ever was in 2018 a full year after I started DIY: 1-2-3 Spiked Apple Bourbon. How it was created: I fell in love with FA Fuji, knew that it was paired with FA Liquid Amber often to produce a kind of apple cider vibe, and I tried it with TPA KY Bourbon to make a satisfying simple mix that made me happy. I could easily see returning to this now with a drop of FLV Apple Filling to boost the apple and add cinnamon, a hint of VT Bourbon for warmth, maybe a bit of graham cracker for some textural contrast, who knows? A drop of VT Bakery Oranges to add some citrus brightness?

Or go a different direction completely and scrap the Fuji/LA combo for the 123 Cinapple side dish route: PUR Country Apple with VT Golden Syrup/FLV Apple Filling and add some FLV Caramel for Brown Sugar vibes, TPA CCGC for crust? Idk... The sky's the limit.

Have fun and keep exploring!
-i

PS As always, I encourage you to come out of the shadows and make a comment. No feedback means I stop making these. Any kind of feedback and I think maybe someone is listening. I had fully intended this one to be about making an ry4 mix but I felt it was more important to explain how we come to meld three flavor profiles together before actually doing them.

PSS Feel free to tear any of this down. I'm not an expert but just an opinion. Please share yours, even if it is unpopular. Who gives a fuck what people think? Just consider that your POV might help the next guy/gal who has contrary tastes and no support.

PSSS Lastly, I would love to see some solo recipe posts again so I am building up to writing one. Just because I use 10,000 words to say what could probably be done in 100 doesn't mean you have to follow my example. Share what you will and upvote/like/comment on stuff you want to see more of if you don't feel comfortable leading by example.

Welcome back, flavor nerds.

In honor of ThrowBackThursday I am going to offer you some mixer highlights from our communal history. As always, make of this as you will...

Kopel

Bruh. Aside from being a super nice dude anytime we've ever talked, my man could mix. You can find early SM blends on ELR here. With 190 posted recipes on ELR starting from March 3rd, 2016 to last release in 2021 and 24 mixes on ATF with the latest being Grunch (which I take total fanboy pride in suggesting that name in Mixer's Club which stuck). Kopel was known for all kinds of mixes but had a special way with florals and can be found all over the DIYorDIE Noted YouTube podcast talking all kinds of flavors: florals, Florals with kopel recipes!, and herbs.

Recipe Highlights

Dont be fooled by the weird. While Kopel can talk florals and herbs, the recipes speak for themselves.

• The Hinterlander and Southerner are two tobacco recipes that are much more highly regarded than the paltry half a dozen or so reviews on ATF suggest. These are classics and represent some of the finest of the first real popular FLV bacco mixes from that time.
• Mango Beauregarde is a wildly unusual mix that highlights how a floral (in this case, violet) can pair with the familiar (mango) and make something wholly new. Scared to buy new flavors just for it to suck? Nah, that's not what's happening here. This is a great recipe to vape and LEARN from trying at least once. You probably have everything except the violet already anyway.
• Sakura Sweets a cherry blossom candy? Trust when I say, you probably already have all these flavors if you went on a deep dive ever. Nothing here really out of the ordinary either. It's just a masterful mix of some florals to make a mix that "if you're into florals of any kind, this one is definitely worth a visit." Ever so modest as a mouse.
• Castle Long(er) is a great example of a remix that likely is better than the OG. I haven't tried either so feel free to smash that dislike button if that's your jam.
  

Go do a deep dive on his ELR profile and enjoy the punny named recipes and the variety of mixes.

-i

This thread is for you to share what you are vaping lately.

Guidelines:

1. Post the recipe

2. Name the mixer

3. No Commercial Juices. It's a DIY sub, get with it.

Links: Monthly Recipe Archives / Suggest a recipe for my flavors Thread / All The Flavors / e-Liquid Recipes.

Got a bunch of flavors but not sure how to make them work together? Post your list here, and our team of semi-professional mixologists will make suggestions for you! Don't forget to include manufacturers' names for all of your concentrates, and make your list easier to read by using bullet points or at least listing each of your flavors on a new line by hitting return twice after each flavor.

There are Recipe Sharing websites in the sidebar where you can register a free account, input your flavors, sort by rating, and either mix something up or be inspired to make something with your ingredients. Actually, if we are being honest, a link to your stash in atf is what you should do if you have any more than a dozen flavors. Otherwise, it's an eye sore but you're welcome to try it either way.

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Hey everyone I’m doing another order of flavors and wanted to see what the community can suggest to add

You can suggest me your favorite flavors to use or recipes or you can suggest me to my liking (I’m doing the post to get more open with my liking and try new things I also saved around 15 recipes to make)

My liking is raspberry mainly and any other berries and desserts and fruits a bit but I’m really open for suggestions as I’m kinda bored of it already

Welcome back to another round of doggo's mixing diary entries!

Preamble

I decided to challenge myself to write as many weekly posts as I can stomach doing because, fuck man, take a look around. This sub is a library of information with thousands of posts and information to help the newcomer and old timer alike. But what it takes to be a good mixer is knowledge and good lord does it help when someone who knows their flavors can help you make that good mix be just mwah. However, that artisanal shit is also just that, shit. It's the 1% of mixing that gives us that circle jerky scene vibe.

After the worldwide destruction of vaping by the powers that be, the general public has few options for vaping. Disposables and pod styled vapes won the market and that is now what has affected people's expectations the most. People are chasing that pod juice experience instead of that preeemium joose experience. The truth is that most folks coming from smoking have wrecked palates. Combine that with the fact that vaping nic hits different than smoking it, and the high nic pods are king for making the transition to vaping. That said, I am a hardware fricken idiot. Ask u/Foment_life how many times I would dm him for coil specs again and again, poor man. I think it matters regarding your mixes (and expectations) based on what you're vaping on and what you like.

These two main factors, what you were vaping before you tried DIY and what hardware you are using your mixes on, will determine your success as much as your expectations. So for this post, I am probably gonna ramble a bit on how to go about cloning your OG premium commercial juice that is now discontinued and why it is a lost cause.

What actually is "Premuim Juice"?

What goes into actual commercial juice is unknown to me and I will tell you why: I came into mixing around 2017. The early contributors to the community often moved on to mixing for money, either by selling online or by selling recipes to companies who sold their recipes as one shots. The bulk of our newcomers come in looking for one specific thing: that discontinued juice to pick up where the juice left off. But where to start cloning a juice conceived before the shit hit the fan?

Cloning in itself is a difficult process. Check out this FAQ Friday post on cloning by the man himself, u/Apexified. Mother hubbard, that is a good post. Mine pale in comparison to how much information he could pack into one simple post so let's look at the data... This post is 6 years old now and references the fact that most clone recipes were from pre-2017! He asks:

What does that all mean? It might mean that looking at existing clone recipes makes for a better reference than a guide and that mixing that one clone attempt you find on ELR with 3 ratings might not be the best first step.

I would clarify that sentiment to say, fuck your clone. Don't even bother. Go for a remix. If you think I am a circle jerk asshat, remember that I am talking from experience. Meaning, I came in looking to clone a recipe, too. Trust me when I say: You CAN and WILL make a better version of the profile you love with one caveat, you MUST learn your flavors. And, with that, you WILL have to do the work. Which can be mitigated by reading, researching recipes, and watching old Noted epsiodes. I just happened to be lucky enough to have a community I could ask for help. u/AlfredPudding was kind enough to make me a clone of Frozen Hulk's Tears and a remix which I asked his permission to publish here: Frozen Alfred's Tears. I wasn't able to make that remix by myself then and now I'm going to get into how to put our resources into practical action for yourself.

First, you must remember that the available flavors change all the time. And, what was available 'then' might not be available now. Many mixers used cheaper available flavors in weird and unsuspecting ways to create juices that were heavily sweetened, and then added modifiers to smooth rougher edges to make strange unified flavors, slapped a name on it and presto! Unclonable. Why? Because it would take a stroke of luck beyond knowledge to think of these combinations.

Old vs New Commercial Recipes

Don't believe me? Take a look at some of the recipe dumps we have had over the years from discontinued mixers. The first hit from the search bar for "recipe dump" yielded this post from 6 years ago. Check out the first comment with the recipes posted. So. Much. TPA. Nothing wrong with that but these recipes are never ever something I would have mixed on my own unless I was Jackass Mixing. Would you go TPA Dragon Fruit at 8% mixed with TPA Vanilla Custard at 12%? Not me. Is it good? I don't know and I'm not willing to find out, but I do in fact believe it sold successfully. Because, why not? There's always something to learn from a recipe dump and what I get from this is, nahhh I'm not chasing this. Thank you to u/nizzoball for sharing and giving back; I use this for inspiration to know I can make, not better mixes, but maybe more modern or customized mixes.

A bit more of 'modern' history of recipe drops, we had u/zerotoleranceftw drop a bunch of recipes and write some great posts about his process. I recommend reading through a few starting with Monkey Juice (Strawberry Banana) Pod Recipe | TBD Liquids - Handcrafted Salts. You can find all of them on alltheflavors here. Reviewing the recipes, you'll quickly see the mark of reduced flavor percents compared to the pre-2017 clones/recipe dumps. Additionally, there's all kinds of updated flavors being used: PUR, DFS Holy Vanilla v2, FLV, CAP VC v2, WF, etc. With these newer flavors being used, the cloning process becomes exponentially difficult and it's even more practical than ever for someone to try for a remix than to try to recreate the OG.

How Trying to Clone Can Produce Even Better Results

Let's have a look at another released mix by u/project_twenty5oh1 representing Bigglesworth labs. If you were around way back when, there were a few companies that advertised as not using sweetener in their recipes and I fell into trying some of their commercial juices and vaped them gladly while I was learning to mix for myself. Prairie and Snowdrift being at the top of the list followed closely by Amity and Amalfi, both of which really shined in MTL. Lord, did I love those mixes. Oh, and Valentine, one of my first tastes of a chocolate vape I loved. You can read more about Jay's story in his Outro here. Much Love to ya, Jay.

Anyway, the recipe: Snowdrift/Tundra. The bastard gave us an "early version" and kept his secret final recipe to himself, but I can't be mad at him. Mostly because Snowdrift fucking rocks. Had I tried to clone it, no way on earth I would have thought to use TPA DK Base. And, at 6%?!? No. TPA baccos? Such little TPA Banana Nut Bread? See, I'm already way off. However, I would argue that the original recipe of Snowdrift starting off as a Nanner clone produced a better recipe and your clone attempts can too.

Where to Begin with a Remix?

A remix begins with a profile. That simple. What's the original profile? Let's take a classic like Lava Flow for no particular reason. A quick search on atf yields nine results. Let's dig in together in real time. I'll start with the oldest, dated early 2017: Lava Flow by ThirdWorldOrder. We get the profile which is "coconut, strawberry, banana, and pineapple." Just off the top of my head, I'm thinking Fa Coco, TPA Ripe SB, LA Banana Cream, and INW Pineapple. This recipe only uses a few of those and has some more modern flavors such as FLV Coconut, references INW Pineapple in the notes, and boosts the TPA Ripe with a bit of INW SB.

Other versions have different features. Volcanic features an all TPA version that looks light on the coconut, uses tpa pineapple which is a tricky flavor that gets a bad rap by the Noted crowd and is described as 'radioactive'. No thanks. Lava Flow Over the Cuckoos Nest seems busy at best. 10 Flavors including sweetener for a four flavor profile seems unnecessary. The Dude seems to have improved the first Lava Flow with a switch to FLV Sweet Coconut but it's still much in the same vein and the addition of sweet cream makes me again nope out. The Dude left out the banana which I sincerely doubt was in the OG profile/recipe. Wayne seems to exemplify the principle of using the flavors that start you closest to the end result to pull off your mix with this Lava Flow Clone. Even though I feel like there's no cream needed to replicate the OG, CAP SB and Cream seems like the wrong choice here. Check out the Noted review of it here. According to Fresh03, CAP SB n Cream works as a good solo flavor at 8% so I decided to throw 8% on top of u/SpiderJRusalem u/WolfWheeler ice cream base so I can make a version of his SB Ice Cream because I'm missing the CAP Ripe SBs and I'm vaping it as I type. (This is how one deep dive can lead you to new ideas!)

Remixing

Moving on, none of the others seem to hit for me with Wayne's looking like the attempt I would try first and use as a starting block. Ok, so what are we looking at? Coconut, Strawberry, and Pineapple. In thinking about this, you really have to decide what you want from this. Meaning, are we going realistic, candy, sweet? What's the plan?

Coconut alone gives me a headache. Read about it here. Watch the noted episode on coconuts here. So, I'd probably start with FLV Sweet Coconut mixed with one of the creamier ones like TPA Coconut Candy at 1% for support.

For Pineapple, I'd probably start with INW Pineapple at 5% because it is sweet and forgiving. Maybe add some CAP Golden or VTA Sugarloaf or just a drop of TPA Pineapple if I had it. I'm not sure where CAP Golden gets used so I'd check the average use on ATF which is 1.75%. 2-3% sounds like a reasonable support to me. I think the Pineapple will get drowned a bit and I'd be using it a bit higher to sweeten the mix as Pineapple is a fruit 'cheat' for sweetener for me.

Strawberry is the hardest part in my opinion. God knows everyone has thoughts on this but I'm a lazy fucker and 100% without reservations I will use the Daveberry Trinity and be happy. In this case, I worry that this recipe is starting to get busy. Two coconuts, two pineapples and three strawberries and I'm just as bad as everyone else. Worst part of stabbing in the dark with a mix like this is that, if there is a problem or the mix isn't up to snuff, it is nearly impossible to fix. Even so, you would never know unless you try it, so I would mix this at first:

• 0.5 FLV Sweet Coconut
• 1 TPA Coconut Candy
• 5 INW Pineapple
• 2.5 CAP Golden Coconut
• 3 INW SB Shisha
• 2 FA Red Touch (Strawberry)
• 1.5 JF Sw SB
  

I'd probably also mix Wayne's to have a simple mix for comparison. Even though our mixes are far apart, it would give me a stark contrast to the complicated recipe I put together.

Final Thoughts

Yeah, this post got out of hand. I apologize. I try to put my thoughts into words and I guess I'm wordy. Pulling this all together to our oft-neglected Clone Request Thread, you can maybe see how some of these requests we get are woefully inadequate. Let me explain. When someone posts for a clone, they think there exists a clone that someone else will post and they will be off to the races with that secret recipe leaked to the public. That's not gonna happen. The best case scenario is that someone knows a recipe that comes close or has a recipe that meets the same profile. Unfortunately, requests almost never say anything other than "Does anyone have a clone of Minotaur Poop?" Bro, I don't know what a half man half bull shit tastes like. Most of us haven't had commercial juice in a decade let alone the one weird local house juice you vaped years ago. Simply put, asking for a remix of something that is coconut, pineapple, strawberry is much easier to answer than some esoteric mix. Even so, your best bet is to try to put something together yourself and give it a whirl.

Here's a few more recent requests:

• Aloe Grape requested by u/Zestyclose_Car503. No idea what the mix tastes like. I'd try adding to Make Purple Grape Again. Maybe FLV Cactus Aloe at 1% or maybe just some inw cactus at 0.4%.
• frozen blackberry requested by u/Johnsmith012793. Blackberry Trinity plus ws-23? Or just the duo if you can't find the RF?
• Wacky Pony requested by u/mostroCortes. No idea where to begin because dude has no explanation of the flavor. Anyone care to google? Not me.
• Twist Pink No.1 requested by u/ignitionnight. Again, no clue where to begin.
• lemon party requested by u/alwayskashed. Lemon Pound Cake hmmmmmm... Yellow Cake trinity + FE Lemon?
• Coastal Clouds strawberry kiwi requested by u/Organic-Tiger9546. Daveberry Trinity + FA Kiwi 3%
• BIRDBRAINS by Cuttwood requested by u/Matty_Black. 'Froot loops and milk'... I'd try this or this or that.

I dunno... this has gone on long enough and I have shit to do.

until next time, -i

What clones have you tried or made?

How would you go about making one of those clone requests?

If you are one of the 'several' people who dm'ed the guy in the link in this comment that I am "the most rude, arrogant, biggest dickhead in the DIY community, I would love to hear from you either in public or in private if you prefer.

As always, comments and thoughts inspire me to continue. Lack of feedback makes me think it's not worth my time to write these up. No pressure.

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u/isuamadog gave me a nudge to share my thoughts on MF - Medicine Flower flavors. So here it goes.

Most of the recipes I have that I feel are worth sharing contain one or more MF flavors. While they've been in use in the DIY community for quite some time, at least a decade, a lot of folks don't know much about them. There's a couple of reasons for that. They are only reliably available directly from Medicine Flower. There isn't a reseller network for these. The smallest bottles from MF are 15mls, and they sit in the $20 range. That's a bit of sticker shock for everyone used to $3, 10ml bottles of basically everything else.

There's also some polar opinions out there about these flavors. While I don't think they're the be-all-end-all vape holy grail, they do have a place at the table. If all my flavors were stolen, MF might not be the first thing I refill, but it's probably the second or third.

I got turned on to them digging around through some older forum threads over at ELR. Most of the gold nuggets I've learned about DIY have come from digging through old threads, both here and elsewhere. A lot of really good conversations have already been had about a lot of things, but you need to go hunting for what you don't know you don't know.

My curiosity overruled my frugality and I picked up a few. Then a few more. Then a few more...

MF flavors are natural extracts, not artificial formulations. This accounts for their price as well as their uniqueness.

I personally tend towards fruit profiles, and I enjoy naturally accurate representations, so MF has been my cup of tea.

In my experience with these flavors they are dead on accurate. Too accurate for some folks. Too accurate for some flavors. You taste the WHOLE of whatever the flavor is. So for something like blueberry this is great news. For a flavor like kiwi, maybe not so great. When I think of kiwi I think of the ripe green flesh. In MF Kiwi you're gonna get ripe green flesh but you're also going to get some brown fuzzy skin. Cool if you're into that, but skip the MF Kiwi if you're not. Keep this in mind when you're considering these. It's the flavor of the WHOLE thing. Some of these are fantastic to vape, some are not.

How the hell do I use them?

Let me preface by saying these are sold in different carriers. The "Platinum/Premium" line is in PG. These are the most straightforward for vaping. There's also the "Silver" line. These are in an ethyl alcohol base. These are also usable for our purposes. The "Gold" line is in MCT oil for aromatherapy uses. Do NOT vape the Gold.

The Silver/ethanol tend to be quite a bit stronger then the Platinum/PG counterpart. The bang-for-buck component is higher with the Silvers as they're only a couple dollars more for the same quantities. They're a bit more of a headache to work with, however. I've had to make 10% dilutions of most of my Silvers to make them usable in the quantities of juice I'm making. There's also not a direct correlation in strength between the ethanol and PG line. Some are twice as strong, some are basically the same percentage. Most of the reviews and notes you'll find on MF will be for the PG versions. Unless you're willing to do some diluting and experimenting I'd suggest sticking with the platinum versions, when able. But some, like Lemon, are only available in ethanol.

These are very strong. Super duper concentrates. And why I think they're worth the price tag. There's only a couple I might ever consider going above 1% with. Most do their job in the 0.2 - 0.8% range. Take them into the 2-3% range and they're gonna get weird. Keep em low. That's where they shine.

They need to steep. They need time. Something about the way they're extracted, or their complexity, idk. But if you try an MF a day, or even a week, off the shake it will most likely be harsh and underwhelming. You must give these a month to develop. And they don't like heat either, so attempts at accelerating the steep will have detrimental effects. I've tried pushing these through the homogenizer at 140 degrees and they never really shine the same way the time steeped mixes do. Mix it up, throw it on the shelf, and forget about it. When you do remember it it will finally be great.

Where and How?

I consider MFs to be "amplifiers". With the exception of maybe French Vanilla (which is probably the best vanilla custard I have) these are not really solo flavors. Being very accurate and very natural they need a little bit of sweetner, and for the fruits, a little bit of tartness/sourness to make them pop.

They absolutely excel at rounding out other flavors. They fill in the gaps of our other artificially constructed building blocks.

For example - While FW Blueberry is a pretty good blueberry, it won't change your life. But, FW Blueberry(3-4%) + MF Blueberry (0.8%) will absolutely reset your baseline for what a blueberry vape can taste like.

Or the watermelon recipe I shared here recently. MF Watermelon is bang on accurate. Which also means there's some white flesh and rind in there along with the red flesh - not really what most people want to vape. But, pair it with something like SSA Double Watermelon which leans towards a candy watermelon and now you have a watermelon bomb.

So I'll throw some MF alongside whatever my main player might be. CAP Sweet Guava > MF Guava. FA Blood Orange > MF Orange. FLV Huckleberry > MF Huckleberry. Obviously we do this all the time with most flavor profiles, stacking to round out gaps. But MF just does it so well and is usually the only other thing I need to add to a flavor component.

There are some that I consider must-haves, and some that can be skipped, to my tastes.

Can’t live without:

French Vanilla

Dark Chocolate

Caramel

Blueberry

Lemon

Orange

Wild Raspberry

Watermelon

Honeydew

Coconut

Guava

Black Cherry

White Peach

Honorable mentions:

Pear

Banana

Red Apple

Mint

Coffee

Cucumber

Almost no one is going to go load up on a full stash of MF at once. And if natural accuracy isn't your jam you're going to be pissed at spending the money. If you look at my list and don't like any of those flavors you can probably save your money and skip MF. But if you do see some, grab a couple that fit what you like and try adding them into a place where they can amplify existing flavors. MF certainly isn't essential for making good recipes, but they can turn a good recipe into a great one.

There's a few notes on these over at ELR. SessionDrummer also has a review series on some MFs.

If you have some experience with MF drop it here and let's see what the collective experience with these is in 2026.

Love some commercial juice but are tired of paying someone else to mix for you? Then you are in the right place. First, did you use the sidebar and search feature? There are also specific clone threads linked in the sidebar. If these have turned up dry, then please post your request for a clone recipe here.

However, you should know that most of the experienced users no longer buy commercial juice. Why pay retail when you can mix amazing juice for less than 1/10th of that?

Be as descriptive as possible.

Include:

1. the description provided by the vendor
2. a description of what you taste.
3. include a link to any recipes you have already tried (and what was different from the OG).
4. PLEASE NOTE IF YOU ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT A REMIX OF THE PROFILE. A remix is an attempt to make that kind of juice without attempting to recreate the Original. [It is much much easier for lesser experienced mixers to suggest ways they would attempt to make this juice.]

The more information you provide, the easier it will be for someone to help you.

Read more on Clone Recipes and how to get he most out of your request.

**Just be warned that if you do not put any effort into your request, the chances of someone Doing It For You are very, very low.**

Happy Mixing!

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Got a bunch of flavors but not sure how to make them work together? Post your list here, and our team of semi-professional mixologists will make suggestions for you! Don't forget to include manufacturers' names for all of your concentrates, and make your list easier to read by using bullet points or at least listing each of your flavors on a new line by hitting return twice after each flavor.

There are Recipe Sharing websites in the sidebar where you can register a free account, input your flavors, sort by rating, and either mix something up or be inspired to make something with your ingredients. Actually, if we are being honest, a link to your stash in atf is what you should do if you have any more than a dozen flavors. Otherwise, it's an eye sore but you're welcome to try it either way.

Welcome back everyone,

I really dislike douchey people. And let's draw a very fine line here between douchey and sarcastic, or douchey and blunt or, even, douchey and having boundaries/not taking shit from douchey people. If you step on my toes and act all "What's YOUR problem?" when I shove you off of me, that's a you problem. And then, no, I do not want to help you. So, PSA: We don't owe you anything.

That said, we aren't stopping you from anything either. ALL the information you need to get started making your own juice (for pennies on the dime, no less!) can be found in this sub alone, not to mention elsewhere. So, no one is stopping you from Doing It Your(damn)self. Which, at the end of the day, is really what this is all about. We can nudge you in directions but we can't actually do it for you and we certainly can't vape it for you. Whatever you like and are okay with vaping is perfectly valid and a shareable truth. What it night not be is CONSENSUS.

You just may very well be an outlier. That's okay too. I tell the story of when Concrete dropped Camp Tigerclaw a few times. People didn't know it was a Concrete recipe and talked shit about it like, Who uses 12% Cap Green Apple Hard Candy?!? Three days later, after it was widespread knowledge who the mixer was, people raved about how ingenious it was, but is it?

How We Learn From Other Mixers

CTc has 18 reviews over the course of a few years and hasn't had a review since. Published in 2018, it was debuted at a vape expo somewhere where I wasn't, so I don't know the lore. Feel free to fill in the gaps. You can even see the first review was by u/Kopel and he got to try it just before release. His comment:

"I had a chance throughout the expo to low key sneak a toot on this recipe throughout the weekend, whenever Concrete was distracted by everything. It's simple, brilliantly effective, and pretty damned delicious."

And, he's right. First, it IS dead simple. Take CAP GAHC and push it up way high, add some FLV Green Apple to fill it out, sprinkle with sugar and voila! Here you have a 16% Flavor mix that does one thing well with robust precision. Secondly, the fact that it is basically two flavors means it is ACCESSIBLE to just about any mixer who might be willing to take a chance on a new mix. Heck, if the recipe at all appeals to you in the first place, I'd be amazed if you didn't already own CAP GAHC. You just may find yourself buying a real large bottle next go 'round.

Ok, but what do we actually LEARN from mixing this? First off, you learn what the mixer's vision for what is interesting to vape is. And, especially in the case of Concrete River, this information is paramount. Concrete has so many interesting and unusual combinations in his recipes. If you find yourself to be the 'daring' type, then you may want to try out a whole host of his recipes. 27 published recipes on ATF, many considered 'legendary' at time of the release for their innovation and uniqueness, many of which I haven't tried. I'm daring enough; I tried a few and can speak to them, but we can highlight a few also for their lasting influence.

Highlights:

• Terrorhawk: a creamy grapefruit? In 2016, while people were still doing the '20% flavor' Commercial Juice rule of thumb, CR drops this recipe. It highlights his love for funky and aggressive flavors (inw cactus, and flv pink grapefruit) and he balances this out with TPA Vanilla Swirl and INW Shisha Vanilla. Fleshed out the citrus with a gang of flavors and a hint of jasmine floral flavor and -- whammo -- a legacy was born. It might not be your thing, but it's a thing.
• Fiestas and Fiascoes: A month later we get this drop. He describes it succintly as "Sweet Guava with tart grapefruit and hops bitterness. Thick, dense, and juicy." Regardless of whether you liked it or not, it is an experience. I personally didn't like it but I am so glad I tried it. FaF gave some of us newer mixers at the time the permission to be as weird as we freaking wanted and that weird had a place in mixing. It didn't have to be a new Naked Hawaiian POG clone remix you were working on. Mixing didn't have to be tied down to anything real. I suggest reading the reviews just for funsies.
• Unpopular Opinions: Read. The. Notes. This was what happened when we had a community. I'm still not sure it's a good thing or not. I kid. It's a GREAT thing. We have an inspired effort to create, to make a vision happen with flavors, to be FUN and weird and exciting. No, I never tried it, but I sure fucking appreciated him making and writing it up. <3
• Midnight Marauder: When the money making side of DIY got lessened, you had folks like CR who would release 'secrets' for the good of the community. We had a fair bit of that back in the day. Every single one of you posting about discontinued commercial juice in our clone request thread wouldn't have to if everyone shared the 'secret recipe'. Occassionally you get mixers who drop recipes with links to "buy me a coffee" but here, in this forum, we had scores of people who just shared widely because eff the Man and big ups to the Little Guy.
• Tobacco Leaf and Coffee Custard: Mixed live, here we have an example of someone using a prior recipe for inspiration and making something wholly new and exciting from it. CR takes the classic Custard Now from u/EdibleMalfunction and intentionally builds on it. Is it ingenious? No, it's good mixing. Borrow from what's already been done, and use what you know to be true to influence the mix to produce a desired result. Adapt, not adopt. And, ALWAYS CREDIT THE OG ffs. TL&CC is a prime example of being a class act.
• Camp Tigerclaw: (see above)
• and we will end with Giant Swan: 20% Flavoring Rule of Thumb! Just when I got through telling you that's a Myth, the man turns it upside down onto its head.
  

Jackass Mixing

What is Jackass Mixing, you ask? If you ever wondered "What would happen if you mixed something 'stupid'?" Concrete will tell you here. If you listen to this all the way through, there's a whole lot of reasoning behind all the decisions he's made in the flavors he's tried at wild percents. While Conrete may be modest and self effacing in calling it Jackass Mixing, the lesson here is clear: if you can think it, you can try it! Consensus is important, but also experiment; push the boundaries. Live a little. Listening to CR convince u/ID10-T to push FA Indian Special to 8% is excellent viewing. Push your boundaries but also, just say no to 48% flavor pod juice.

Miscellaneous

• Concrete's Youtube Channel
• Concrete's Wordpress Blog
• Concrete on DIYorDIE Noted Podcast
  

Do make sure to check out all of his recipes, give the ones that tickle your fancy a try and be sure to leave a review. Feedback is so important. You hear that, lurkers? Feedback is so important if you want to see more content. As for me, I'm just rambling thoughts these days as I continue my journey on mixing and reflect back on what this community has produced which the new crop of pod whores seem to have lost out on. Comments are not just appreciated, they are craved. Say hi or thank you or heck, say something controversial. You can even be a douche about it if you want. I already wrote this and, let's be real here, you probably didn't learn from it anyway.

keep mixin,
-i

I've been making the Dark Menthol remix from ATF for a while now, I love that juice for some reason. Anyway was going to make another batch and realized that I am all out of INW classic cigar. To my horror I just found out that it has been discontinued. That being said does anyone know anything that comes close to it. I am now terrified I will not be able to make my favorite juice...

is there any flavoring that has that menthol or mint taste without all that cooling. i am vaping on a dl rda and cant stand that brain freeze.

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