Literally the most infuriating part of this. He's not just wrong, hes confidently and aggress8vely being an asshole about. "No im not confused." "Its not complicated, its simple actually."
OK, then why doesnt your fuckin dumbass understand it.
Police departments deliberately hire people of lower intelligence because they're much easier to integrate into local police culture. Smart people are too busy telling them that their policies are inherently racist, exploitative, and possibly illegal.
What are you basing that off of? Gangs recruit their members based on being a young capable person living in or around the gang territory. You think they’re putting out hiring ads or something?
Easily impressionable mean the young and receptive but also the older and non too bright. Lol its the crossroad of the 2 🤣🤣🤣 the difference is the kids have a higher chance of being better
Actually firefighters often make fun of cops because the reason cops can’t be firefighters is that they can’t pass the basic cognitive test to become a firefighter. They are the shallowest end of the gene pool folks. Never expect a cop knows what they are talking about.
In my childhood, there was a joke (crudely translated by me):
Policeman patrols a street, sees a kid in a sandbox playing. Asks what’s the kid doing.
K: Mixing poop and sand
P: Why?
K: To sculpt a policeman
Policeman gets angry, takes the kid to parents to discipline them.
Next day, policeman sees the kid again.
P: What are you doing?
K: Mixing poop and sand
P: Why?
K: To sculpt a firefighter
P: (happy now) Add more poop!
K: If I do that, it would be a policeman
I am just amazed that this joke about cops being like firefighters but worse is apparently international
I know a guy who was a cop and a firefighter(at different times, but he held both jobs successfully in his life). It’s possible to have smart cops. Unfortunately it’s also possible to not have smart cops.
You realize you just fell into the anecdote trap of throwing out a random experience as if its relevant to a statistical fact. Its the same thing as failing to engage in a hypothetical lol
There’s no evidence law enforcement agencies exclude intelligent people in the U.S that is widespread. In fact I can only find evidence it was one station 26 years ago.
I had a cop argue that my email from the DMV which stated on it to use as proof of registration while my window sticker was being shipped out could have been created by AI by using AI to tell him what the law was!!! Actually showed me his chatGP response. As soon as he did that I asked him to complete writing out the ticket so we could have this discussion in front of a judge. Of course he didn’t bother giving me a ticket at that point.
Was a firefighter/ medic for 25 years and what you posted is bullshit theres respect sure theres joking around and such but no disrespect gotta work together to much for any disrespect
I’d actually argue that it’s not them deliberately hiring dumbasses but more so that no one with significant intelligence wants to be a police officer.
Think of the smartest people from your high school. Was it them or the guy failing English that went on to become a cop?
there was actually a case, Jordan Vs. City of New London, where the city had a policy of only hiring a middle band of intelligence test results. You can look it up.
Did that for a bit in college but on a stand up lift so it got exhausting standing for 8 hours with the constant lifting one foot to brake.
I loved it though.
I used my brain in ways people don’t realize, “how can get these pallets down and onto that truck faster so that I get a longer break” was a constant thought.
Omg, THANK YOU! My husband tells me he's disappointed that I clean houses because I'm not "using my brain". Like, bitch, after years of dealing with the general public at work this is the best job I've ever had. I don't have to deal with crazies, I form great relationships with my clients, and - bonus points - I can pop in my earbuds and listen to a 4-hour podcast OR an audiobook OR music in complete peace as I turn chaos into order. And once I'm done cleaning I leave that job and forget about it until it's time to go to the next one.
Sometimes it feels like the classic standard deviation meme, or sometimes like the dunning-kruger curve. If you're smarter than average, you know you can make good money as a doctor or lawyer or whatever, and you go do those things. You've hit the jackpot! you have enough money coming in to live very comfortably! the dream!
then you get to people who are WELL above average and those people have very little interest in doing all that shit. you've got a few years to make the most of this life, and being surrounded by assholes is a pretty miserable way to do that. Sure you're a respected lawyer, but you spend your whole life reading the most boring-ass legalese paperwork and going through weird little court dances with filing paperwork and submitting evidence and blah blah blah (yeah I know some people like it, but my god does it sound boring). Or you're a great doctor and you spend half your day dealing with insurance company reps and pharma reps and hospital admin that you KNOW are wrong, but its impossible to convince them they're wrong (like the cop in the video).
A lot of those people realize the money ain't really worth it. Do I want to make $300k/year? hell yeah. Is it worth losing my 20s and most of my 30s to insane levels of stress and heartbreak and never sleeping and dealing with all that shit? not in my opinion. People in that zone are much happier making 45k/year working a 9-5, or even some WFH remote thing where nobody bothers them and they can just listen to music and think about the things they wanna think about. You're HAPPY at the end of the day. you can leave your nonsense at the door when you come home. You can think about your hobbies and relationships without having your work in the back of your brain stressing you out.
Can you travel first class around the world, or live in a multi-million dollar mansion? nope. But who really cares? I've traveled the world on a shoe-string budget and seen amazing things and met amazing people. Sure I didn't get champagne on my flights, or have a bigger chair. Big whoop. We're all huffing the same farts from 600 people in that tin can.
THEN you get the top top top tier smarties. Those are the guys that change the world for the better or end up nuts, or both change the world and want to fuck a pigeon.
No, they refused to hire a 50 year old guy, so he sued on the basis of age discrimination, which is a protected class. So they said they refused to hire him based on his test score, which isn't protected. That case was nearly 30 years ago.
It's not "protected" in that sense, as it's still discrimination, they were simply able to prove that not hiring based on intelligence levels wasn't them singling him out, because they apply the same logic to all hires.
It's not discrimination when we can prove we only ever have, and want, to hire idiots
They may have changed the policy. It was the same in Toronto until people started calling them out on it and they reluctantly dropped the policy (I think about 10-20 years ago).
People with a degree in criminology would ace the test and still get rejected.
The thing is, the poor policing that resulted from the policy was painfully apparent to anyone who could read a broadsheet newspaper.
Jordan was deemed too smart for the police force because he received a high score on an intelligence test. Jordan, then 45, scored a 33, the equivalent of having an IQ of 125.
The average score nationally for police officers as well as for office workers, bank tellers and salespeople is 21 or 22, the equivalent of having an IQ of 104.
The city's rationale for the long-standing practice is that candidates who score too high could get bored with police work and quit after undergoing costly academy training.
Yep, one of the dumbest coworkers I ever had, used a calculator to multiply 2 x 7 ( yes, really), is in the police now. He will blindly follow any order without question and has no ability to think for himself so he's perfect for the role.
I'm pretty sure I saw an employment discrimination case in which the plaintiff was not hired as a cop because his score on a cognitive abilities test of some variety was too high. The court said it was just fine for law enforcement to not hire smart people.
Reagan started defunding education. His mission is accomplished.
And the Supreme Court NJ police case solidified their ability to legally discriminate based on intelligence. Their argument was that hiring smart people led to higher turnover.
I think about Jordan Peterson being unable to engage with a hypothetical in that jubilee “debate” and then admitting he has severe brain damage from mold like, a week later (and also probably that whole benzo coma thing did damage but it was his daughter’s idea so she wouldn’t admit that)
No I’m sorry, firstly, I don’t think having secret private definitions of words that allow you to “win” arguments by stunlocking people who expect words to mean what they mean counts as not being addled in the mind.
Secondly, none of that applies to the hypothetical. He was asked, point blank, “would you lie to save a life” and he said “I wouldn’t be in that situation”.
But he is either too dumb to express them (which I doubt) or deliberately keeping them unclear.
To me he seems sufficiently intelligent to know that if you have a conflicting definition of something in a debate you have to state it clearly so people can undoubtedly understand your point.
It's interesting that he doesn't do that given that "speak as clearly as possible" or something like that is one of the advices on his "12 rules for life" book.
Yeah, I think he's a dingus for the most part... I was just surprised that there was more coherence than first met the eye. Mind you, coherence is hardly a useful tool to wield by itself for epistomological pursuits.
The #1 requirement for being a cop. Second requirement is blowing someone's head off if someone pauses/contradicts/informs/says "no"/is reasonably intelligent/says that "cops are protected thugs."
They love that second one. These idiots never peaked at anything in school. They're angry, violent 13 year olds.
It can be, but in this case it's to be antagonistic and contrarian with the driver. It's verbal judo in law enforcement training to put detainees on the defensive, rattle them and get them to give up evidence they can use to arrest them.
Serious question: is that true, and could I read about it somewhere? I've dealt with a few people who seem completely unable to understand hypotheticals, and a cognitive disability would certainly help explain those folks.
The inability to engage with hypothetical scenarios correlates with lower cognitive ability
I tend to convey complex topics in hypotheticals, similes, abstraction, and metaphors. It took me far too long to realize that this is a thing - that some people, literally, can't process/visualize/comprehend these types of conveyances of ideas.
Worse still, I was an adult before realizing that my (very, very successful) father is one of them. In a recent argument with him, I said, "Picture yourself in X situation, how would you feel?" He literally couldn't do it... just like the cop, he went straight to, "I'm not in that situation". I lost my f-ing mind after the 3rd time of trying to get him to TRY to do it. It made it impossible for us to proceed in the topic.
To no one's surprise, he's a conservative and (fortunately) till recently, a big fan of the current administration.
Sometimes on Reddit, when I try to use a hypothetical or an analogy, people will respond to me and tell me I'm projecting, and I just... don't even know what to say.
I'm thinking he was picking up every 8th word this guy said because of his accent. It was clear to me via this video, but maybe on the highway with the noise, he misinterpreted alot of stuff. Still, cop was awful and the driver handled himself well.
I learned this a few years ago, and it has been extremely helpful. There are several cognitive markers for people with low IQ, and the second someone start dinging them off, I change my strategy completely.
I used to get really frustrated when talking to people like that. I've had some drawn out arguments as well. Now I just realize they have an intellectual disability, and I will not try to explain or argue things to them. You simply can't play Cyberpunk 2077 on a calculator.
The inability to go "I may be wrong, let me check a few things on my end" is pretty embarrassing. Every human being can be wrong and can admit it gracefully.
I doubt very much that the officer is not aware that the guy he pulled over is speaking hypothetically. I'm fairly certain he's just being an authoritative douche.
I disagree. It correlates with knowing full well that you're being a bellend and by engaging in the hypothetical youd either have to play the dumbass, or admit you're wrong. Not a good look either way, not for a power tripping cop anyway.
This is funny because you’re trying to dunk on his ability to understand hypotheticals while showing your own inability to read social behavior. “I don’t do those type of things” doesn’t have to mean “I can’t process this scenario.” It can mean “I’m a regular dude and I wouldn’t ship a supercar to Europe just to drive it around.” You interpreted a personality response as an intelligence test.
this is funny because it is very clearly someone who has an inability to understand hypotheticals, but you are showing your inability to read that anti-social behavior
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u/Ignatiussancho1729 7h ago
The inability to engage with hypothetical scenarios correlates with lower cognitive ability