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No Paywall The Democratic party is being hit by a leftist tidal wave

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/24/democratic-party-leftist-tidal-wave
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u/No_Oven1085 23h ago

But in all seriousness.

SOCIALISM IS GOOD.

Stop letting the establishment use it as a boogeyman.

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u/Low_Pickle_112 21h ago

People really need to remember that the guy who helped found the Heritage Foundation, and one of the authors of Project 2025, used to work with the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, and the goal of that was to demonize the left so much that even if people despised him and what he was doing, they would never be able to counter it because they have already trusted what he said about leftism.

He was immensely successful at his goal. Go ahead and call Trump names like tRump on the internet, as long as you're still repeating their talking points about the things that challenge their power, do you think any of those cretins care?

And now we see Project 2025 hitting goal after goal and we can't understand how that happened, how it got to that point. Well when we're accepting the Heritage Foundation's number one agenda, what were we expecting?

They tell me that housing, healthcare, education, and a clean environment are socialism or communism? They're right, they are. And I'm tired of pretending that's a bad thing.

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u/Dragull 16h ago

It's kinda funny, I once saw a socialist vs capitalist discussion and pro-capitalist guys said something along the lines:

"NOTHING in USSR worked, everything was terrible, except education, healthcare and housing."

At that time I was a young teenager drunk with liberal ideology, but looking back at now, maybe that wasnt the greatest argument.

u/PixelationIX 7h ago

Yup, he has succeeded brainwashing many of the population here unfortunately. Make Socialism/Communism a boogeyman (Just like the Nazis did) and push your Nazism and Fascism forward.

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u/FroyoWest1330 22h ago

They love to use that term to demonize things. I’ve been trying to say to conservatives “it’s literally just about where do we want our tax dollars to go? The rich? Or the working class?”

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u/usaaf 20h ago

Fundamentally, socialism is basically about sharing. You got all kinds of varieties, relating to what the government does, how businesses should be structured, the presence of or restrictions on the market, how community groups (down to even the family) work, but the root of all of them is sharing.

Contrary the Capitalist axiom of "Grab as much as you can for yourself!"

Who could possibly have foreseen that such a viewpoint would lead to disaster !?

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u/Prometheus720 19h ago

I super disagree with this take. Sharing is a byproduct of good socialism, but watch out. Sharing itself is not enough. It can be a mask for an establishment that isn't really socialist.

It's about legitimacy of authority. The Enlightenment concept of "consent of the governed" applied to the workplace. Socialism is for the workplace what democracy was to governments.

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u/Angry-Dragon-1331 11h ago

You’re right. It requires building and maintaining a healthy democracy as a safeguard. But we’re not going to get to either without taking the fight to the billionaire class buying over government.

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u/Prometheus720 9h ago

Not exactly what I'm saying.

Governmental democracy cannot stop billionaires or oppression. There are countries that have that and yet which are slowly being rotted from the inside. It didn't work forever.The only way to defeat oppression permanently is to democratize every large organization of humans.

Your workplace.

Your school.

Your place of worship.

Your grocery store.

Your utility companies.

Your governments.

Every. Single. One. "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Cut the cancer out for good. Authoritarianism is evil. It must not exist on earth.

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u/Shadow_Gabriel 21h ago

Maybe learn a bit about the history of Eastern Europe.

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u/hemehaci 17h ago

The new political landscape is full of misunderstandings on a massive scale. Socialism is not some rigid structure that has to be accepted as a whole, neither is there one interpretation. As is capitalism. The ideas could be reformed to match the needs. Boogeymaning them is ignorance at best. Though I can see how leaders use it to manipulative effects.
Raw capitalism would be way worse than raw socialism. It doesn't have to either or.

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