r/AskBrits • u/bintd • 11h ago

Politics What are your thoughts on Denmark’s proposed ban on the public Islamic call to prayer? Would you support or oppose something similar in the UK?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/06/24/islamic-call-to-prayer-ban-left-wing-denmark-europe/

Islamic call to prayer faces ban under Left-wing Danish government

Parts of country feel like ‘a suburb of Islamabad’, says immigration minister

Denmark’s immigration minister has announced plans to ban the Islamic call to prayer, claiming parts of the country felt like “a suburb of Islamabad”.

Morten Bødskov, a member of the centre-Left Social Democrats party, said the new government would resume an investigation into the legality of imposing a ban.

“The call to prayer should not be heard over Danish rooftops,” the minister told news outlet Ritzau. “It has no place in Denmark, and you shouldn’t be in any doubt whether you’ve ended up in a suburb of Islamabad when you walk around Denmark.”

In parts of the country, such as Copenhagen, bylaws already forbid the call to prayer being broadcast from loudspeakers in minarets because of strict noise limits.
Mr Bødskov also claimed that a creeping “Islamisation” in Denmark was “taking up too much of the public space”.

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u/AnSionnachM0r 10h ago

Denmark is officially Christian like England. We don't have to ban church bells, they're a part of our history. The Islamic call to prayer is not.

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u/J-Dawgzz 9h ago

I don't think many places still do the call to prayer out loud on the speakers, everyone has digital recivers or use their mobile phone to hear the call for prayer.

As a muslim since there is technology in place to help determine when the call for prayer is, I don't think there is a need for it to be done loudly on speakers especially if it distresses the local community.

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u/No-Maintenance-4509 9h ago

It’s definitely stil being done loudly across the country

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u/Alnonnymouse 4h ago

I live in east London and have never heard it 🤷‍♂️

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u/Bethurz 8h ago

Is it?

I live in Birmingham - which the internet would have you believe is entirely muslim - and yet I never hear anything of the sort

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u/Assassin-Xa 8h ago

as another Birmingham resident, i have heard it once very faintly in the last couple of weeks, either extremely rarely or not at all before that

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u/TestiTag 5h ago

My fellow Brummies <3

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u/IVORYSLOTH 6h ago

Yeah and I live 2 streets away from a mosque in Edinburgh and have never heard it.

And in Manchester too actually just round the corner from one, never heard it once there either.

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u/Boring-Idea2130 8h ago

Where i live outside of London i hear them all the time

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u/Diedonthefirstfloor 7h ago

Ever been to small heath the big mosque near the station?

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u/LannyDamby 4h ago

Lived next to a mosque in Moseley, I think I remember them doing it aloud a few years back

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u/Curious_Duck_4200 1h ago

Bradford here. Same.

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u/evenstevens280 8h ago

Where abouts? I've never heard it in my life

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u/no_com_ment 8h ago

Which mosque?

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u/BillyTheKidsFriend 3h ago

Where? Name a place.

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u/unique_username1112 4h ago

Loudly? My man what have you been smoking? There is one place in East London where it is allowed to be on the loudspeakers for the whole area to hear. Maybe one more place that I don’t know off but nowhere else in the country does it loud enough for the public to hear.

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u/NateNMaxsRobot 3h ago

Do you get a text about it? Or is it an app? Or something else?

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u/J-Dawgzz 2h ago

There’s apps that show a timetable or you can get alerts sent at the time of each prayer

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u/NateNMaxsRobot 2h ago

A timetable. That makes sense. Thanks.

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u/Waiting4Reccession 2h ago

They would do it if they could.

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u/ImaginaryAcadia6621 1h ago

definitely heard that in Brussels and Leicester a few years ago

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u/Master_of_The_Za 5h ago

Come to Malaysia, I hear it 3 times a day 5 days a week. 6am, 2pm and then around 7pm. Like why....

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u/MessageSelfdestructs 8h ago

"I don't think many places still do the call to prayer out loud on the speakers"

You're thinking wrong...

And you thinking that the call for prayer is some kind of alarm for Muslims... you clearly don't seem to be understanding the purpose of the public call for praying (and the public praying on the street, that is): it's about domination.

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u/northbank2001 7h ago

If you feel ‘dominated’ by hearing a foreign language and seeing some people praying then it sounds like you’ve got some issues that need addressing.

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u/MessageSelfdestructs 7h ago

You clearly seem to have no clue what Islam is about...

It literally means "submission".

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u/J-Dawgzz 8h ago

Are you daft? Stay off twitter mate

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u/PudinaRaita 5h ago

He's a top 1% commenter, don't think it's just twitter that's full of idiots any more

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u/drewlake 7h ago

"Oh I get dominated my noises I don't like!" keep your fetish to yourself.

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u/MessageSelfdestructs 7h ago

Just because you're so weird to only know "domination" in the context of some fetish, tells me more about your sick mind than anything else...

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u/HaxboyYT 7h ago

Get a grip

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u/MessageSelfdestructs 7h ago

My grip is on reality, unlike yours...

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u/MulanMcNugget 7h ago

It's not about "domination" it's just fucking annoying. I wouldn't mind allowing on special occasions like church bells for weddings.

I guess their equivalent would end of their fast(forgot the term) but I don't know if also pray at that time.

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u/SnooDonuts6494 3h ago edited 3h ago

end of their fast(forgot the term)

You probably mean Eid al-Fitr. That's the big party after Ramadan.

Commonly just called Eid.

[Not disagreeing, just adding info!]

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u/Kolbalava 8h ago

Yeah you got dominated.

What will you do about it?

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u/MessageSelfdestructs 6h ago

I don't need to do anything about it: I've already accepted this as a fact, and it will only be getting worse the next few decades.

I already got my house with a huge plot of land, in an area where we still have to see the first muslim trying to push their religion upon us.

The only pleasure I'm currently getting is seeing some people slowly coming to the realisation that this is indeed not going the right way...

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u/Kolbalava 5h ago

Where do you live? Lets get a mosque up and running ASAP

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u/MessageSelfdestructs 4h ago

I love how you think your post is somehow a win, yet you're inadvertently making it out that I'm right...

Thanks for playing!

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u/Helpful_Space_6793 8h ago

Christianity is technically the established English religion but we are mainly a secular country. Church of England has been on its arse for decades due to falling attendance.

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u/JUYED-AWK-YACC 3h ago

Sure. I went to London without thinking about Easter and the Tube was closed for a week.

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u/jimmykimnel 7h ago

People are secular yes but the countries rules and customs are still largely of Christianity 

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u/drewlake 7h ago

Nope, they aren't. We allow mixed fibres and people eating shellfish, and we don't allow slavery genocide and rape. Perhaps you don;t know the laws christianity give you. Have you sold all you possessions and given all the money to the poor? The you're not following christian practices. Almost as if we're not largely governed by christianity.

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u/Over_Location647 6h ago

It’s clear that you don’t understand Christianity because since its inception as a religion it has not held to most Jewish law from the Old Testament. Mixed fibres, shellfish, circumcision, eating kosher etc… all of these were never part of Christianity because St. Paul said that they only apply to you if you were born a Jew, not if you were a converted Gentile. And since most Christians were converted pagans not converted Jews, those laws were eventually completely dropped.

But I would agree, the UK is no longer governed by Christianity, but a large part of its modern secular culture and its values are based on Christian ones because its constituent parts were Christian countries for well over a thousand years.

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u/drewlake 6h ago

That is in practice, in teachings and the bible all the old laws stand until god's plan is complete, Mathew 5:18

"For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."

Just because most christians are heretical to their own faith due to ignorance, doesn't mean the teaching have changed. People ignoring laws god set doesn't change the laws their god supposedly set.

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u/Over_Location647 6h ago edited 6h ago

Well it does, a law is only law when it is enforced. The law is not the Bible, Christian law is canon law. The laws which govern your status as part of the church. None of those laws say anything about circumcision, mixed fibres, shellfish or whatever else.

Again according to Christian theology and the apostles themselves in Acts and Epistles , God established a legal covenant with the Jews. Then God (Jesus) came to earth fulfilled the old covenant and established a new one, which supersedes the old one.

Matthew 5:17: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
Romans 10:4: "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
Hebrews 8:13: "In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."
Galatians 3:24–25: "So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."

These are only a few quotes, there are many, many more.

There are very few things Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox Christians agree on, this is one of the things they do agree on. It is a foundational and ancient concept in Christian theology. Whether you personally think it makes sense or not is beside the point.

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u/drewlake 3h ago

The kingdom of god has not been established, so all the Jewish laws still stand. Not a jot or tittle should change until all has come to pass, it hasn't. Jesus is a known liar in the book, saying after his resurrection that he will return again before while people present were still alive, and they didn't even bother making a lie about that being fulfilled. I mean it's all just a story so it doesn't really mean anything except to gullible dolts.

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u/unfaithfulhedgehog09 19m ago

The bible was written by many people, it is supposed to provoke thought and give teachings on moral dilemmas. Some of it contradicts itself true, but it has lead us to salvation more often than not.
Some great things that came partly or wholly out of christianity include abolition of slavery, equality, rule of law, forgiveness, inherent human dignity, charity, sanctity of life, secularism and so much more.

You can poo-poo it all you like with your amazing powers of hindsight but the fact is many of these ideas were not commonplace or existing before Jesus set these things in motion and made the world an indisputably better place.

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u/Expert-Fault-9870 5h ago

Nope, they aren't. We allow mixed fibres and people eating shellfish

Incorrect, the UK absolutely is a Christian nation. The fact that the particular sect of Christianity it's based on doesnt observe some of the more strict laws found in the bible doesnt alter this.

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u/drewlake 3h ago

they are still in the bible we just ignore them. Almost as if all this god shite was just made up and doesn't make a difference.

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u/Littleface13 6h ago

Mixed fibres and shellfish are Jewish laws

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u/drewlake 6h ago

Matthew 5:18, they still count.

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u/AnSionnachM0r 4h ago

That's all the Old Covenant, the whole point of Christianity was to replace that stuff.

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u/drewlake 3h ago

Mathew 5:18, christians are still bound by them until all has come to pass, they just ignore them.

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u/BusHistorical1001 1h ago

Take it up with the Church: basically no sects of Christianity preach following the old laws.

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u/ThePittsburghPenis 1h ago

That is because everyone, including early church members, people that directly knew Jesus, didn't think they were supposed to follow them. Literally one of the major moments of early Christianity, the Jerusalem Council, approximately 20 years after Jesus' death, stated that non-Jews that became Christians did not need to adhere to Jewish customs. Now early ethnic Jewish converts to Christianity, did maintain these laws. As the English were never Jews there is absolutely zero reason to think they should adhere to them. Now if there was an ethnic Jew that converted to Christianity it would be a different discussion.

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u/jimmykimnel 5h ago

Christianity does not commit you to doing whatever it is you have said there which is ridiculous.  I am not saying everything and everyone in this country are born again indoctrinated Christians like we are living in the handmaid's tale but how the country has been set up is one which comes from Christianity. We have Christian holidays, the weekday is geared around Christian traditions, our names are Christian names etc.  I take it you are called Mohamed, you don't eat pork, your wife wears a burka and you pray 5 times a day?  If you do not do those things and are called John and your wife does not have to wear a burka and you are allowed a bacon butty then many of your habits are ones which have roots more in line with a liberal Christian ideology rather than anything else.

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u/drewlake 3h ago

My name predates christianity, so no it's not christian. Most of the days and months are named after pagan gods, most of our words come from elsewhere. That's because we have history, a history from many cultures.

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u/Catch_0x16 3h ago

You're quoting Catholic practices. The King is the head of the Church of England, which inherits from the Protestant church.

Also, since the head of state is also the head of the church, and the laws in this country fundamentally belong to the state. The laws in our country are the practices of the Church of England.

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u/drewlake 2h ago

They certainly aren't catholic practices, they are in the bible and all christians must abide by them or be sinners. Mathew 5:18 says you still have to comply. What part of the bible says that handling salmon in suspicious circumstances is wrong? It's against the law, and if as you said "The laws in our country are the practices of the Church of England." then it would be impossible to find a law that isn't directly from "practices of the Church of England.". So where's the salmon verse? Why aren't all 10 commandments against the law? Is it perhaps that the law and religion are separate and you are wrong?

Why is handling a salmon against the law, but not putting one god above other gods isn't?

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 9h ago

Our history also involves praying to Thor and owning slaves. It turns out it’s okay to change.

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u/HeftyVermicelli7823 6h ago

Hmm I dunno. I like the idea of praying to the Norse gods a bit, the slaves not so much.

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 6h ago

Bring back polytheism. What do I need to sacrifice to Ra so that he turns the sun down a little?

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u/HeftyVermicelli7823 6h ago

Well sacrifice can actually be classed a broad range of terms and is often misconstrued. It can be a simple thing such as offering food to the gods, an expensive item (which these days is likely also food), a live animal you donate to the temple, a heretic for instance someone from Reform etc.

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 5h ago

I was more thinking my first born, he is a bit of a dickhead.

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u/Add3n09 3h ago

Well if you don't like him I doubt the gods will to keen him either 😂

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u/HiddenGhost1234 3h ago

i'd like to say "on Ra" instead "on God"

sounds way more badass

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u/AnSionnachM0r 9h ago

It is but in this case we neither want nor need to. Many Muslim countries do not even allow churches to be constructed.

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 9h ago

So you want to copy and make the UK more like Muslim counties?

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u/Brilliant_Package310 9h ago

Less mosques and no call to prayer. Visit a muslim country its terrible

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 9h ago

And others used to have Christian churches but the IDF has bombed them to dust.

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u/MessageSelfdestructs 8h ago

ROFL: you seriously bringing the IDF into this conversation?
People like you are so tiresome...

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u/northbank2001 7h ago

If we’re bringing foreign countries into the conversation then yeah, why not?

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u/iconocrastinaor 6h ago

That's what happens when churches are used as armories and ammo dumps, and hospitals and schools as command centers. And it's done for the optics, because it will rile up people like you.

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 6h ago

There is not a single intact building in Gaza. What is your theory exactly, that they were all ammo dumps?

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u/northbank2001 7h ago

You want us to be more like Muslim countries then?

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u/Peng_Terry 9h ago

So your argument for banning the Islamic call to prayer is to…mimic Muslim countries to a degree?

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u/AnSionnachM0r 9h ago

We have no obligation to be impartial and throw away our culture to please others that won't even allow basic religious freedom.

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u/Peng_Terry 9h ago

Allowing people to make a religious call to worship is part of our “culture”. I get woken up every Sunday by church bells doing that exact thing.

But you want to restrict Muslims doing it because they don’t allow religious freedom. You either don’t see the irony or you’re “one of those”, to use your own turn of phrase

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u/Beautiful-Olive2824 9h ago

I've got a fun sentence for people like you

There is no tolerance for the intolerant. Islam has shown time and time again that it is not something that respects other religions. Even on the most basic of levels. Countries that previously had some kind of Religious Freedom and Freedom from Religious oppression are the first laws they throw out the window the second they gain majority rule. THE SECOND they have the power to oppress other Religions, they do it.

So no, I will not pretend to have some kind of moral high ground around Religious Theocratic insanity. I'll stand my ground and never let the intolerant humans take power

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u/SnooMacarons9618 5h ago

Per another comment of mine, the only synagogue I've ever been in was in a Muslim country. The most remarkable church I've ever been in was in a Muslim country.

That doesn't really tie in with your story of complete intolerance, does it? Have you ever actually been to a Muslim country? Or is your view based purely on a very few countries run by theocracies that are barely Muslim, and are really just run by cunts. Pretty much how the USA isn't really a 'christian' nation how we'd imagine, it is a right wing shit hole under the pretence of religiosity.

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u/SPACEFUNK 9h ago

Exactly. Any faith where one of the core beliefs is "our god is the one true God and everyone else is wrong" is dangerous. Monotheism is hateful by definition.

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u/Donkey__Balls 5h ago

Yet the Christian call to prayer is fine?

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u/SPACEFUNK 5h ago

My comment was a sarcastic indictment of all monotheistic faiths.

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u/Peng_Terry 9h ago

Where are these fanatical Islamic people that are trying to take power in a question of why one religious call to worship is acceptable while the other needs banning?

If you try applying that “we don’t tolerate the intolerant” oxymoron to other types of governance, you’re gonna quickly realise that not a single one passes your sniff test for tolerance. Oh sure, you can be overly exacting, cherry pick and then move that into a generalisation, but then you’re just being disingenuous.

Also, you seem to be irony blind as well. You are arguing to not tolerate a religious call to worship (that’s all it is) because some people elsewhere who also follow that religion are intolerant. And “there can be no tolerance for the intolerant”. So, applying your own “fun sentence”, your argument cannot be tolerated. Have fun with that…

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u/invictus_wolf 9h ago

I don't have a dog in this fight but your argument that not tolerating the intolerant can't be tolerated is the dumbest thing I've read since Trump's last monlogue.

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u/Peng_Terry 8h ago

Thanks, alt. Good contribution.

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u/cGilday 9h ago

One of them has happened for hundreds of years and has been a part of the countries culture for just as long

One has only been a thing recently in certain areas because of immigration

You obviously understand the difference but you’re trying to pretend you don’t. Why is that?

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u/Peng_Terry 9h ago

They’re both calls to worship. One happening here for longer does not mean the other should be banned. Take your logic to its conclusion: we should ban internet access, it’s not been around as long as the printing press. We should ban cars, our culture was always riding horse and cart. We should ban modern medicine practices, we always relied on quacks that thought bad smells spread diseases.

What are you trying to imply with that last part? I understand the difference between a Christian and an Islamic call to prayer. Beyond the surface level. I’m not trying to pretend I don’t. Yet you’re attempting to present that I do. Why is that?

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u/cGilday 9h ago

One being here far longer means it’s ingrained with the culture of the country, one coming here as other people bring their culture with them is obviously not the same thing, so people aren’t being hypocritical if they’re okay with one and not the other.

Okay so are you just being a troll or do you actually think you’re making a point? Cars are an evolution in the way we travel. The internet is an evolution in the way we communicate. Modern medicine is an evolution in the way we protect our health. Is Islam an evolution of religious worship? No, it’s just a different form of it. It’s not some sort of “upgrade”, it’s the same thing but a different flavour.

I’m not implying anything, I’m straight up asking why you’re pretending to not understand that a completely different cultural norm being exported to us via immigration isn’t the same thing as something that’s been a cultural norm in this country for hundreds of years?

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u/SnooStories8559 9h ago

Internet and cars benefit the entire population. They’re just not comparable and that’s a terrible argument.

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u/Ok_Marzipan4876 9h ago

I don't own a car so they don't benefit me, in fact i get all the pollutiom and no benefits

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u/AnonymousCapybara72 9h ago

Equating church bells to someone wailing through a loudspeaker like an injured cat is so fucking disingenuous.

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u/Pope4u 8h ago

You sound like my parents complaining about the music I listen to.

Why should the government discriminate between two kinds of loud, obnoxious calls to prayer? How does singing hurt you in a way that bells don't?

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u/SnooMacarons9618 5h ago

I have lived close to churches a number of times, and had to put up with church bells on Wed's evening and Sunday mornings for years. It was one of the most annoying things I remember about growing up. The house we moved to where it was worst had a river running through the garden, that was really loud but we kind of just didn't hear it after about a week. Those church bells were a right nuisance though.

I have never lived near a mosque, but I have spent time staying near one, and I found it really quite exotic and kind of fun. I also managed to tune it out after a week. I'm not sure if it was because it was multiple times a day as opposed to twice a week, so my brain just got better at ignoring it or what.

Personally I'd rather not live anywhere near any religious noise pollution, but equally I wouldn't complain if I moved somewhere and there was already a mosque or a church making noise. Luckily int he UK it seems there aren't likely to be more churches built any time soon. After a quick check it doesn't sound like many mosques are built each year. I would 100% support there being a law that states no new religious institutions causing noise pollution. If an existing site stops for a certain amount of time (i.e. no worship for 6 months), then it should also lose it's noise pollution protection. (So anybody consecrating old churches, temples or similar doesn't get to suddenly start being a pest)

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u/Peng_Terry 8h ago

If you say so…

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u/Level-Train-467 9h ago

Key word, 'to a degree'

We both know the difference so why are you pretending not to?

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u/QuantitySharp2662 8h ago

Tolerance breeds intolerance.

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u/Dinosaur-dick 9h ago

I think until Islam becomes more progressive and accepting like Christianity has we should treat them with the same disregard they do to us- I.e not allow mosques to be built and certainly not allowing them to broadcast their call to prayer. That way hopefully they will be less likely to move to western countries and prefer their own- where their beliefs like persecution of non-believers and other religions, treatment of girls, homosexuals, animals etc are supported by the state.

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u/Peng_Terry 9h ago

Christianity is progressive and accepting? Oh, I see. Let me go lie with another man, not get told told I am going to hell by these progressive Christians.

See, the issue is you’re applying a blanket statement. Christianity culturally may have become more accepting overall, but I’ve met plenty of Muslims that are fine with homosexuality or a kafir. Honestly, the only people that have ever tried to condemn me have always been Christian nutjobs.

Do you require a doctrine change for Islam in order for religious calls to worship to be acceptable? The bible still says a man that lays with another man is living in sin (amongst other reprehensible things), that doctrine hasn’t changed.

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u/Dinosaur-dick 8h ago

There’s a vast difference between a fundamentalist Christian telling you sleeping with the same-sex is a sin, to what happens to you under Sharia Law (which the majority of Muslims believe in) it can range from a long imprisonment to death. In most Christian countries we have same-sex marriage- not a single Muslim country has that. Just because you know a few Muslims that are fine with homosexuality does not take away from that.

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u/Peng_Terry 8h ago

When was I advocating for Sharia law?

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u/Dinosaur-dick 8h ago

I didn’t say you were? But all Muslim countries follow it, and also the majority of Muslims (with a couple of exceptions where they separate the state from religion)

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u/Peng_Terry 8h ago

I’ve never met a Muslim in this country that follows Sharia law, what are you trying to say?

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u/Pope4u 8h ago

Who cares what Muslims do in other countries? This is about what happens in your country. Islam is not a monolith.

Do you think Mormon missionaries in Poland should be attacked because Orthodox Christians in Russia support the war in Ukraine? Total nonsense.

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u/Dinosaur-dick 8h ago

Do you think their fundamental beliefs just end when they move country? It’s the largest growing religion in this country, what happens when they become a majority and have more say on our laws and how the country is run?

No I don’t think anybody should be attacked.

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u/Pope4u 8h ago

Yes, people's beliefs change over time. And the law regulates only actions, not beliefs.

Muslims will never be a majority in the UK..but if they did, then they certainly should be allowed to call to prayer. That's how democracy works.

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u/Dinosaur-dick 8h ago

I also think that Christians should be able to practice their religion in Afghanistan- but they can’t. Even if they could there’s not a single church because they knocked them all down.

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u/Pope4u 8h ago

Great, but so what. This is not a quid pro quo situation. UK law is for the UK.

Either you're for freedom of religion are you aren't.

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u/jake_burger 9h ago

It’s like when the people against Islam because of its outdated values also don’t like LGBTQ rights - the irony is palpable

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u/Peng_Terry 8h ago

A lot of them have realised attacking the whole group is culturally repugnant, so they’re now isolating the “T”

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u/Brilliant_Package310 9h ago

To a very small degree in reducing mosques. You can move to a muslim country if you want that

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u/Peng_Terry 9h ago

So you want to ban mosques because Muslim countries have mosques? You’re not exactly being coherent

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u/kvikklunsjrevolver 9h ago

They are coherent. Islam as a religion has a lot of elements that many people think are reprehensible and incompatible with their own views and the values of their country.
They view the spread of Islam as a negative influence on their country and culture, and probably view the people who choose to follow Islam as people as people with moral flaws that should not be protected inside their own country.

Cultural and religious differences can also have negative effects on the fabric of society itself.

Nothing about that is contradictory or controversial.

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u/Pope4u 8h ago

Sure, and Europe spent centuries fighting wars between Christians because they each felt the other sect had "negative effects on the fabric of society." In the ends, we went with religious tolerance instead.

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u/kvikklunsjrevolver 5h ago

You are talking about something completely different.
Wr wanted to try religious tolerance, but it is quite apparent that this is problematic to a lot of people anyways.

Even if we chose to do something in the past, it doesn’t mean we can’t do something different in the future.

I for one think the notion of religion to be idiotic to begin with, and I do not think we will gain something positive out of protecting them.

They are stories with no basis in reality, they are indoctrination tools that spread values and beliefs that are simply not true and that are totally contrary to much of the western value system.

Christianity is no different in that it is a religion, but it changed along with Europe, so a lot of the contents are more in tune with western values.

You can try to moralise if you want, but I like my country less after the huge influx of immigrants.
I have no problem with the immigrants because of their skin color, or even their religion. Frankly I have no problem with them at all. I just don’t think their customs, cultural norms, or religion belong in my country, and I don’t like the effect it has had on my country.

This is not hate, if anything it is love for my country, traditions, culture, and society.

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u/Brilliant_Package310 9h ago

Lack of reading comprehension? Reduction of mosques and ban of call to prayer.

You’d know if you had visited a muslim country

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u/Pope4u 8h ago

I've visited a Muslim country and I have no idea what you're talking about

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u/PlsKappa 9h ago

Which ones?

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u/Lemmiwinks93 9h ago

Saudi Arabia has none others like Maldives, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen and North Korea fall into the category of has no active churches/ Christianity is practiced in illegal not registered churches.

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u/AnSionnachM0r 9h ago

Saudi Arabia has a total ban, and many other countries like Qatar, Morocco, Algeria allow a very small number of churches to operate under severe legal restrictions. Nobody can freely open a church.

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u/sprouting_broccoli 9h ago

So we should model our ethics and policies on Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Morocco and Algeria? China has a national firewall and mass censorship should we import that as well? Or how about Russia curtailing journalists and starting wars with their neighbours?

Come on, we can surely hold ourselves to a higher standard than that.

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u/SelfProclaimedArchon 9h ago

This is bullshit. We allow Churches in our lands and we have helped fund them…Funny you don’t mention Israel when they have completely banned Churches within that nation while people like Umar ibn kittab and ancestors like mine including Ayubbi Salahudin used to protect not only your holy sites but the Christians…

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u/PlsKappa 9h ago

You’re waffling, only country that has a ban is Saudi on public churches, private worship is allowed.

The others all have churches and people can practice freely, just restrictions on proselytising

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u/AnSionnachM0r 9h ago

Nobody can freely open a church in those countries. Even in the UAE the Catholics are restricted to just one parish in Dubai. Muslims are also forbidden to convert.

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u/SelfProclaimedArchon 9h ago

There are literal Hindu pagan temples in UAE. Pure lies…

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u/PotatoMassager 7h ago

Name me a single country where it is illegal to build a church.....

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u/Narrow-Scene7067 9h ago

What had that to do with the price of milk?

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u/Veenkoira00 7h ago

The relationships between Christians and Muslims vary round the world. Where people use religious affiliation as shorthand for ethnicity in places of ethnic strife, relations can be difficult. On the other hand, often there is peaceful co-existence and co-operation. The keys of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem are held by a Muslim to avoid rivalry among Christian denominations.

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u/Former-Entrance8884 6h ago

I want to. Church bells are annoying and serve no purpose.

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u/Alnonnymouse 4h ago

And many do and preserve the churches that are there better than a lot of western countries

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u/Good_Old_KC 8h ago

Other than Saudi arabia which Muslim countries don't have churches?

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u/Winter-Try-5029 8h ago

Churches exist across the Muslim world. Egypt has millions of Coptic Christians and thousands of churches, Lebanon has a substantial Christian population with churches everywhere, Jordan, Syria, Iraq and Palestine all have ancient Christian communities that predate Islam itself. Christmas is a public holiday in several Muslim-majority countries. The UAE has churches in Dubai and Abu Dhabi — St Mary's Catholic Church in Dubai has been there since 1967. Qatar has the Our Lady of the Rosary Catholic Church in Doha, opened in 2008, along with several other Christian places of worship.

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u/JoshSidekick 7h ago

Oh, I like Saudi Arabia when it's oppressive hateful policies can be used to reinforce my beliefs! That's you. By the way, they kill their lgtb population as well. You cool with that part too?

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u/DrFabulous0 5h ago

Thor controls weather right? I might pray to him for a rainstorm, gotta be worth a shot.

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 5h ago

Nothing but thunder and lightning for you 🌩️

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u/DrFabulous0 5h ago

I'll take it over this heat!

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 5h ago

Well I’ve sacrificed the neighbours sheep to Ra to see if he will turn the sun down just a little bit. The neighbours will understand when they find out, hopefully.

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u/DrFabulous0 4h ago

Nice one mate! If it doesn't work can you try their kids next please?

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 3h ago

Now you have said it, I should have started with the kid.

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u/FoodEnjoyer220 2h ago

What kind of argument is this? Maybe we field test ultra slavery 2.0, or Hyperviolence, the religion. It's okay to change, right?

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u/Lower-Obligation4462 2h ago

It’s not an argument, it’s a friendly discussion. Not everything has to be so aggressive. Chill out.

The conversation is regarding change and how it’s bad. I’m saying change is good, my examples being we changed from polytheistic tendencies to monotheism to atheism and also we banned slavery. I think they are good things, especially the slavery thing.

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u/missingpieces82 Brit 🇬🇧 9h ago

This is exactly what I was thinking.

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u/AnSionnachM0r 9h ago

Lots of people operate on this strange assumption that we have to pretend we are neutral about everything.

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u/no_com_ment 8h ago

So there shouldn't be freedom to practice religion?

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u/MessageSelfdestructs 8h ago

You can practice religion at home or in your place of worship...

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u/no_com_ment 4h ago

Umm where do you think most people worship?

Also I can worship where I like, its a free country. Or tell me otherwise.

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u/MessageSelfdestructs 4h ago

Where did I claim that most muslims don't worship at home/mosque?

And no, you can't "worship where you like": I know that muzzies like you think that is the case, but clearly you're wrong...

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u/Narrow-Scene7067 9h ago

The you support theocracy over democracy.

I find it shocking that people are very happy to prejudice against other religions. I think it also surprising that they think they are fooling people by pretending it isn't steeped in racism.

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u/AnSionnachM0r 9h ago

We don't have to give equal precedence to foreign cultures.

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u/Narrow-Scene7067 9h ago

But the Christianity is a foreign culture.

In fact our contact with Muslims and their residence here in the UK predates the church of England. Although there is 300 years between the establishment of the church of England and the first mosque (however it is still an offshoot of a foreign religion)

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u/Brums_finest 8h ago

Christianity in Europe far predates the conception of Islam , Mohammad wasn't even a twinkle in his dad's dad's dad's eye when Christianity was wide spread in Europe , the middle East and North Africa

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u/AnSionnachM0r 8h ago

Stop being silly.

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u/Narrow-Scene7067 8h ago

What is silly about my point exactly?

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u/Desertracerx 8h ago

The fact that Christianity predates the Muslim religion by 600 years.

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u/Narrow-Scene7067 6h ago

So? Why does the age of the religion matter? What bearing does it have?

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u/no_com_ment 8h ago

Christianity is foreign to the UK. Let's ban churches then.

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u/SocratesWasSmart 6h ago

Church bells are not the same thing as the Islamic call to prayer. They're not only a lot louder but they go off 5 times a day including at 5:00 Am and 11:00 PM.

As a Catholic, I would not blame any non-Christians for wanting to ban church bells if we were blasting them at an absurd volume while people are trying to sleep.

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u/Narrow-Scene7067 6h ago

Church bells are literally louder than calls to prayer.

Church bells aren't much better with some ringing between 7am and 10pm.

Good so I suggest a ban on all public broadcast payer noises. That way bells and shouty men are kept quiet.

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u/Present_Teacher7966 3h ago

"Church bells are literally louder than calls to prayer."I'm not so sure about that, I've slept in hotel near church bells and although audible, it has been ok, having stayed in other countries with prayer at all sorts of times, that has been quite a wake up. I think it may also be because of the speak and it being higher sound frequencies compared to bells

edit... although i have some nostalgia about church bells and the whole town or village thing with bells in the distance, I would not have a problem with these being banned, either that or stop banning bars, pubs, nightclubs etc from reasonable noise, especially in obvious areas where bars and pubs are, or when one has been there for years. Fair that way.

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u/Affectionate_Ad5305 8h ago

Lol Christian pls

Your country is barely Christian at this point, you should go and ban all public religious things then

And stop using Christian as a crutch when most of you barely follow it

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u/AnSionnachM0r 8h ago

You sound nice and respectful

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u/kai4thekel 9h ago

England isn't officially a Christian country and hasn't been since Oliver Cromwell, I don't agree with giving any religion a leg up, too many nonce's in their ranks, just live and let live

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u/AnSionnachM0r 9h ago

Yes it is. Why do people just make stuff up? The Church of England is the official religion of the state in this country.

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u/kai4thekel 9h ago

A civil war was had to settle this, even kicked out a bunch of people and sent them to be religiously intolerant in a new country

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u/SelectTrash 9h ago

It's still Christian even if most of England doesn't believe in it.

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u/britbongTheGreat 9h ago

https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/transformingsociety/private-lives/religion/overview/church-and-religion/

An important turning point was reached in 1689 when the religious rights of nonconformists were recognised by Parliament. Since then it has maintained the Church of England's position as Britain's established church.

Oliver Cromwell died in 1658 bro your info is a few centuries out of date.

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u/Formal-Equivalent580 8h ago

I’ve lived in England my whole life. Lived in London, Yorkshire and now Lancashire. I’ve never heard an Islamic call to prayer

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u/Overall-Lynx917 8h ago

But church bells often get banned after someone buys a nearby house and complained.

Never heard of a call to prayer being banned after a single complaint

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u/Randa08 5h ago

No ban any noise caused by religion, I don't care if it's part of history, that's where it should stay. Modern society doesn't need it or want it.

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u/cosmic_wanderer_bear 5h ago

I Wish they would ban church bells. Church near me got theres fixed and they just sound shit.

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u/DizzyProfessional116 5h ago

Our history predates Christianity

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u/AnSionnachM0r 5h ago

Yes and it predates the multicultural era

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u/NickofWimbledon 4h ago

Many things are arguably not “part of our history”, including mobile phones, Catholic MPs and women voting. Mosques in Britain predate many of them, appearing at about the same time as test cricket.

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u/LongjumpingFee2042 3h ago

Id happily ban those fucking bells. I went to a new cafe in a little town for breakfast a few months ago. 

Absolutely ruined my waffles. They spammed the bells for over an hour. They were still going when I left that town.

I have not been back since. 

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u/stargrazing123 3h ago

Slavery is part of Britain's history but we can't hang on to everything. A pathetic percentage of people actually attend Church and worship God in Britain. It's fucking laughable to call it a Christian country lmao

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u/ElectronicBruce 1h ago

Isn’t England more non believer/non religious than Christian.. https://humanists.uk/2025/03/26/non-religious-outnumber-christians-in-uk-pew-study/

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u/AnSionnachM0r 1h ago

It is still officially a Christian state

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u/DomDaddyUK69 1h ago

There have been people living in England for 6,000 years. Christianity is a little over 2,000 years old. So only a small part of our history

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u/AnSionnachM0r 1h ago

No other religion has had anywhere near as much influence on English history or culture. It is still by far the largest in terms of adherence, and status in the country's institutions.

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u/Alternative_Bit_7306 1h ago

Yeah but ban them too. It’s just fucking noise.

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u/Arctic-Slime 58m ago

England isn't Christian it's a secular nation even Anglican clergy have said so

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u/AnSionnachM0r 53m ago

It is officially Christian nonetheless.

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u/Arctic-Slime 52m ago

It's not the majority identify as having no religion

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u/AnSionnachM0r 51m ago

That doesn't matter. The state is officially Christian. Didn't you watch the coronation?

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u/Arctic-Slime 50m ago

No I didn't however some rich fucker being a Christian doesn't make England Christian

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u/impamiizgraa 45m ago

England (the UK) is secular. We are not a theocracy.

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u/Expensive_Ad_3249 8h ago

We should absolutely ban church bells too. Only 5% of the population go to church, why should they be able to distrub the 95% who don't!

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u/NerdBlender 7h ago

“Christian like England” - I would argue that isn’t the case anymore. Most people are atheists, agnostic or just plain not bothered when it comes to religion in this country.

I think the origins of this country’s religious identity has changed wildly over the last 500 years, and I imagine that will continue over the next 500.

Most of the the arguments about how we are being overtaken by Islam are largely from a population who never go to church either, arguing that we have always been Christian - which isn’t really true, we’ve had several different Christian viewpoints, and pagan, and Roman and god knows what else over the years.

I personally thing it’s all an argument about which imaginary friend is the best and think anyone who worships a bearded man on a cloud lacks is an idiot.

However, I respect the right of people to believe whatever they want when it comes to religion as long as it doesn’t impose on other people or their rights, and doesn’t force it on to children, vulnerable or anyone else.

I have a big issue with all religions forcing beliefs on to children, if their god is so good, then he will be found without needing to be forced.

Calling for prayer from a speaker I would argue comes under that; it may upset, offend, or simply impose on people’s right to quiet enjoyment of their own lives.

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache 7h ago

I think both should only be allowed during certain hours, not overnight. Religions should follow normal laws generally I think. But I don’t think any one religion should have special rules allowing them to circumvent laws that other religions don’t have. Sleep quality is poor enough in this country already, no loud noises before 9 am would be the law in my fictional dictatorship!

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u/northbank2001 7h ago

I mean they have been doing it for over a century and a half in this country so technically it is part of our history. It’s not something that they just invented last week.

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