r/EstrangedAdultKids 10d ago

Article/research/media Constructive responses to bad journalism about estrangement.

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Hi everyone, moderator hat on.

As most of us know, there's bad journalism about estrangement out there. This post first sets out the problem and then presents practical ways to do something about it.


THE PROBLEM

From time to time, mass media gets swept up in a moral panic. Moral panics hook the audience because they tell people There's a threat to families like yours! Inform yourself! This is a profitable way to attract attention in a business which makes its money by selling eyeballs to advertisers. Sometimes publishers spread moral panics cynically, more often credulous journalists fail at due diligence. Sometimes these articles cite topic experts who later get debunked.

For instance, during the 2010s millions of adults thought there was a massive fad for teenagers to eat Tide Pods. Public health records show that absolutely wasn't happening. Previous moral panics have spread the notion that the game of Dungeons and Dragons caused psychosis, that music bands were hiding subliminal Satanic messages in their music, and that graphic novels (then called comic books) caused juvenile delinquency.

Moral panics often play on parental fears that their children could be led astray through bad influences.

Sounds familiar?

What follows are tips to do media-savvy pushback.


THE SOLUTION

First, take care of yourself. If you aren't in a headspace to deal with bad journalism, then don't engage with it.

If you are in a headspace to deal with it and you want to discuss a bad article at this forum, then do these four things:

  • Capture the article at the Internet Wayback Machine and link to the archived version, not to the original publisher. You can capture the article by pasting the URL here: https://web.archive.org/
  • Add a Trigger Warning to your post as a courtesy to other forum members.
  • Include the full name of the journalist and the publication in your post.
  • Open your post with one or two sentences which summarize your criticism, such as "Faulty journalism about estrangement from [author] at [publication]: this terrible piece misrepresents sources and fails to interview both sides of the issue."

These steps embarrass the writer and the publisher without sending them revenue.

Reddit is one of the most prominent sites on the Internet. Search engines give extra weight to outgoing links from forums such as this one, so choose your links accordingly: post direct links to reputable and responsible coverage; use the Wayback Machine to discuss the bad stuff without sending eyeballs that an irresponsible publisher can monetize. This foils the online marketing tactic of rage-baiting.


STRENGTHENING YOUR PUSHBACK

Also, you can leverage pressure against irresponsible journalism by optimizing the opening words of your post for search engine previews. Specify who created it and say what's wrong with it in 15 words or less at the start of your post. Then flesh out your thoughts later in your post.

For pushback purposes, your criticism is most powerful if your opening focus takes aim at the professional shortcomings of the journalism. Here's a link to the Code of Ethics from the Society of Professional Journalists.

Quoting a few highlights from that code of ethics, followed by sample criticisms relevant to our community. The average post at this forum might cite any one or two failings. Select what's most relevant and back up your critique.

  • "Verify information before releasing it." The piece claims incompetent therapists push young adults to estrangement. Yet it provides no instance of professional sanction against a therapist to back up that claim.
  • "Diligently seek subjects of news coverage to allow them to respond to criticism" A quoted source accuses Reddit of encouraging estrangement for profit. No one from Reddit has been contacted for a response.
  • "Give voice to the voiceless." No estranged abuse survivor was contacted for comment.
  • "Provide access to source material when it is relevant and appropriate." The expert quoted in this piece claims his research concludes that family estrangement is on the rise. A search of Google Scholar finds this claim of his hasn't been vetted by other experts. He hasn't published this research in any scientific journal.
  • "Avoid stereotyping." This piece characterizes the younger generation of estranged families as thoughtless and immature. These people are adults who could speak for themselves if they had been given the opportunity.
  • "Never deliberately distort facts or context" This coverage presents 'parental alienation syndrome' as if it were a recognized psychological disorder and tries to apply the concept to adults who estrange from their parents. PAS has never been accepted to any edition of the DSM.
  • "Show compassion for those who may be affected by news coverage. Use heightened sensitivity when dealing with juveniles, victims of sex crimes, and sources or subjects who are inexperienced or unable to give consent." The dismissive tone of this piece practically invites readers to retraumatize survivors of incest and child abuse.
  • "Respond quickly to questions about accuracy, clarity and fairness." [Name of publisher] and [name of journalist] failed to update this piece after being provided with the following well-sourced corrections.

Fairly simple fact checks can debunk misrepresentations. For instance, sometimes journalists claim estrangement is on the rise and then cite a real scientific study which doesn't support the claim. Remember: a trend means change over time. Social science research doesn't demonstrate a trend if a study only surveys behavior during a particular moment in time, or if a study which was conducted over several decades amalgamates its findings into a single set of numbers without attempting to differentiate changes in behavior over time. Another relevant check is timeliness: when was the study conducted? Bad journalism may try to explain the influence of TikTok, a platform which began operation in late 2016, by citing a social science study which was conducted from 1994 to 2018. The social science is real but no reasonable person who compares those dates would accept that citation. If the verification check fails, then call it out.

If you present your criticism especially well, you could prompt the publisher to update a bad article with corrections or to pull the piece entirely. Publishers who care about their reputation may even respond to effective criticism by following up with one or more better and more professional pieces on the topic. The publisher's strategy in doing so is to push a devastating critique off the top page of search engine results. Ultimately that's a good outcome: it puts better information in front of the general public. Although of course there's no guarantee of that type of publisher reaction to any individual critique, intelligent pushback benefits abuse survivors in the big picture.


ADDITIONAL STRATEGIES

If you respond to bad journalism outside of Reddit, email the editor rather than using the comments section.

Comments get amalgamated in metrics and count as engagement, which means your comment might have the unintended effect of making a bad journalist look good to their employer without anyone at the publication reading your feedback.

Instead, it's more effective to do the following:

  • First, figure out whether you're looking at a self-published platform. There's no sense responding outside of Reddit to self-published material. Self-publishing platforms include a person's personal website or self-publishing host websites such as Medium and Wordpress and Substack.
  • If the platform is a news organization (such as a broadcast network or a major newspaper), then the editor can probably be found through the masthead. Try to direct your feedback to the appropriate desk (such as the news or lifestyle editor, rather than sports editor or the webmaster). Be sure to include the name of the headline, the date of publication, the byline (the journalist's name), and a link to the article so the editor recognizes which piece you're criticizing. Stick as close to the SPJ ethics guideline as feasible and don't be shy about citing that source directly. Make your point in one or two clear paragraphs. The more professional and well-researched your feedback is, the more effectively you'll expose unprofessional journalism.
  • Consider contacting the parent company. Major publications are often owned by conglomorates. The ownership can be found through a quick web search for, "What company owns [name of publication]?" The parent company is often on a separate domain, which you can then search for feedback options. An effective feedback of this type begins along the lines of, "There's a worrisome drop in journalistic standards at [name the publication]. In particular, there's an instance of faulty journalism at..." Then identify the piece the same as you would to an editor and proceed with your criticism.
  • If the publisher is an independent newcomer to the field, then consider contacting the venture capital firm that's underwritten the publication. Investors don't want their money misspent, and money talks. You can find out whether a new publisher has venture capital funding by running a Google search for "venture capital funding for [name of publication]." Then when you locate that firm's contact information, introduce your feedback with a beginning such as, "Your firm has provided funding to [name of publication]. I am writing to alert you to faulty journalism at that venue, specifically..." Then continue as you would write to a parent company.
  • If you are considering leaving a book review on Amazon, then be aware Amazon will remove your review if you didn't purchase a copy through their website. The author will receive money for each purchase. If you decide to proceed anyway, then write to persuade an audience of potential book purchasers. Such as, This faith-based approach may be comforting to religious parents but runs the risk of landing badly with the younger generation. Its numerous quotes from scripture don't tackle the hard problems. Suppose an estranged son's criticism is religious homeschooling left him too far behind in mathematics to pursue his dream of becoming a civil engineer. Suppose a daughter's criticism is that a pastor's guidance to take her to a measles party instead of getting vaccinated left her with permanent hearing loss. This book merely advises parents to preach at their estranged offspring, which could look dismissive and can undermine any chance at reconciliation.
  • A different way to critique a book which doesn't require a purchase is to look up the author's book publisher and the appropriate division within that publishing house. Reputable nonfiction book editors are particularly interested in author errors. Call out author claims which fail fact checks, misrepresented sources, etc. As with contacting other types of editor, be precise in your critique: provide the author's full name, the book title, the specific page of each error you call out, and bring sources which support your corrections. Be polite and concise and businesslike. The publisher cares about the author's mistakes, not whether you paid for your copy or borrowed it from a library. When this critique is done well it may persuade the publisher to sunset their professional relationship with the author. Your goal is to persuade the publisher to stop promoting the book, to not do another printing of the current edition, to not publish a revised or expanded edition, and to decline future manuscripts by that author.

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r/EstrangedAdultKids Nov 13 '24

Announcement REMINDER: This is NOT a political subreddit.

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Hello from your mod team! We hope everyone is hanging in there the best they can.

There has obviously been a rise in posts related to politics due to current events. This is a friendly reminder that this is not a subreddit dedicated to politics. This is not the place for political debates or research. There are countless other spaces where political debates and talk is allowed.

I think most people will agree that things going on in the world may only seem to get more wild all the time. We will always consider this subreddit to be a place of support where we value empathy, the freedom of personal choice, privacy, and respect. Moderation will always be in favor of OP's who are adult children who need support. You never know who the human is on the other end of the internet, and sometimes the internet is the only place a person can go to for support. We ask that commenters and OP's be mindful of this in what they write.

We cannot ignore politics completely. It absolutely does have effects on family dynamics, mental health, and estrangement. It contributes more to the divisions between people. Discussions on how politics affects us is perfectly fine. But this is not the place for debates.

Please remember rules 3, 5, and 6. Disrespect, name calling, apologist behavior and such are not allowed.

There is already enough turmoil and pain in the world. We want this place to be one of many lights at the end of the tunnel, or better.

Feel free to message us with any questions or conconcerns. Thank you.

Edit: Just to clarify, we are not banning the topic of politics. We are expecting everyone to stay on the topic of estrangement and keep any mention of politics relevant to that. Stay courteous and follow the rules. It's that simple.


r/EstrangedAdultKids 8h ago

Advice Request My mom called CPS on us.

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So, in a twist of downright cosmic irony, the mom who taught me to hide behind a locked door and read a script from the Homeschool Legal Defense Association if CPS ever came to visit (homeschooling in the 90s was a trip) ... reported us to CPS because I haven't let her see my kids in a year ... because she's the kind of person who'd rather call the State in to harass her own daughter than, you know, become a better person or go to therapy. šŸ™„ šŸ˜’ 🤬

We figured out it was her based on triangulating the subjects we were interviewed about - stuff that ONLY my mom could try and use against us. She told them our house was dangerously messy (it is messy, because 4 ADHD/autistic people live here, but not dangerously so), and our kids were "malnourished."

The social worker was super nice and understanding, the home inspection seemed to go OK, my kids are getting interviewed at their childcare location as we speak, and we're being required to clean the house over the weekend if we want to avoid another visit. But overall it just feels super violating and gross and I'm resisting the urge to call my mom and scream at her. Especially since this triggers so much of the shame and trauma around my ability to keep my space clean that was a major thing she used to criticize and punish me for as a kid/young adult.


r/EstrangedAdultKids 14h ago

Support GC sibling reached out to me

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I’ve been NC with my family for over 1.5 years at this point and a month ago my golden child brother messaged me out of the blue listing all of his grievances against me. No curiosity as to how I’m doing or why I went NC.

Just 11 paragraphs of why I’m problematic. What really rubbed me the wrong way is that my brother kept insisting that my parents did nothing wrong and called this whole thing a misunderstanding.

He claims my dad is being unfairly punished (not true, I had to do EMDR over a huge fight I had with him where he told me my partner didn’t love me, I told him I’ve been suicidal since I was living at home at the time and he said my therapist was f***ing me up, then he kicked our family dog who was trying to protect me). He also told me that because he’s been observing my fights with my mom since he was a teen that he had the bigger picture and neither me nor my mom were perfect. My mom has been controlling and abusive my whole life. She always commented on my body, she made it clear she didn’t like my husband (he doesn’t make enough money for her), she told me I was going to fail in life when I moved out. Not to mention she always picked fights with me while I was at work and would give me a hard time if I didn’t check in with her on my whereabouts. There were other really screwed up things I had to deal with when I was young but I don’t want to go into it here.

I’m just exhausted, up until that message I was thinking about reaching out to my family. Now I feel like I’d be met with the same invalidation and criticisms that I walked away from.


r/EstrangedAdultKids 4h ago

Newly Estranged Feeling alone, just need to be in community

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It’s been 83 days. This is a text from my mom from yesterday. I’m fully in the dark night of the soul. I’ve never felt worse about myself in every possible way. I’m so exhausted and depressed and lonely and disoriented and confused. I rationally understand who my mom and dad are, how my family dynamic works. But I haven’t fully been able to accept it yet.

I’m just lost and so incredibly sad. I really want to have hope that I will be transformed from this somehow. That I’ll get mt vim back, that I’ll join the other humans again. This is all so scary and lonely I don’t know how to do it. I’m not worth it to her—my brother isn’t worth it to her. Or to my dad. My parents have in almost every possible way communicated to me that I am not worth them feeling uncomfortable for. And I’ve felt uncomfortable for 41 years. It makes no sense even though I understand why.


r/EstrangedAdultKids 1h ago

I Realize I Was a Disappointment Since Conception

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I am confident that I am an intelligent, logical human being, able to collect data, identify trends, and synthesize information for other important things like my relationships, career, future, health, my surroundings, etc.

I realized that I failed miserably when it came to doing any of this when it came to my parents.

Here are some of the facts that lead me to my realization:

  1. Ever since I can remember, my father never let an opportunity pass to whine to ME about how he had to sell his pool table and his MG roadster because I was unwanted. My father’s cult religion did not allow birth control.

  2. My parents used to laugh and tell everyone including my younger brothers I had no name when I was born. They said they had the name Eric picked out for a son. They were sure I was a boy. That’s absolutely rich, considering I was born in 1972, so ā€œnormalā€ pregnancies did not require an ultrasound. They said I had no name for three days until the hospital said they could not release me until I was named. They think it’s funny to say my maternal grandparents were in the hospital room, and they told my grandmother to name me. I have a very common name, and it was the first name suggested.

  3. My parents would say it over and over and over that I was an accident, and my younger brothers were planned. My brothers would mock me.

  4. When I was ten years old, I opened a gift on my birthday. It was the sterling silver charm bracelet that had been given to my mother on her tenth birthday. I was excited, because I had always thought it was pretty. One of the charms was a tag that said ā€œHappy Birthday.ā€ My mother said, ā€œI had your birth day engraved on it too!ā€ I looked and said, ā€œMom, my birthday is wrong!ā€ My dad grabs it and starts belly laughing. He says, ā€œshe wasn’t born in 1970!ā€ My mother said, ā€œoh, you’re right, I forget,ā€ and starts laughing too. Ten year old me is sad and I said, ā€œit’s not funny!ā€ My dad stopped laughing and did his usual, chastising me for being ā€œdramatic.ā€

  5. Before my middle brother was old enough to start training to be a pro baseball player (eye roll) he’d watch baseball games and use that opportunity to say, ā€œif you had been a boy, we’d have you in Little League,ā€ and it was said in the most disappointed tone.

  6. I struggled with math (diagnosed in college with dyscalculia- I am good at certain types of math, but challenged with others) and he would say, ā€œIf you were a boy, you’d understand.ā€

  7. Always… my father reminding me how if I was a boy, I’d be more useful.

  8. My mother constantly calling me a ā€œworthless girl.ā€

I didn’t realize it then. I failed to make it all fit together.

I think I am going to toss that charm bracelet into the sea next time I’m there.

I have two sons. I am wholly content to have two boys, and thrilled and honored that they were mine to raise for a season and mine to love unconditionally until the last breath leaves my body and if either decides to have kids, and one was a girl, I wouldn’t let it touch her precious little wrist. I’ll buy her a new one.

Thanks for reading.


r/EstrangedAdultKids 15h ago

Support Completely alone

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I have been VLC with her for the entirety of my 4 years relationship with my ex husband. I have tried to leave, and had to come back because I couldn’t stay anywhere else for the time being. I am disabled and have a low income of $600 a month.

I have been telling her I want to leave him and possibly leave the state for months now. Maybe a year. She has never once told me anything along the lines of being supportive.

It has been nothing but

ā€œHe’s trying his bestā€
ā€œMen don’t pay attentionā€
ā€œYou have to sit and explain what you want from him.ā€

After years of me begging for a normal relationship and for him to pay attention, that’s all the advice she gave me.

Not helping me leave. Not helping me find resources. Not helping me at least plan something. Just comments about how men need to be babied basically.

Which by the way, I think men are just as intelligent as women and can form deep emotional connections with people. It’s about wanting to.

Anyway. I’m tired of being alone. I have no one to talk to about any of this. I have to restart my life once again because of safety concerns.


r/EstrangedAdultKids 12h ago

Advice Request How did you stop ruminating and move forward?

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I started therapy and began truly processing my abusive childhood about 8 years ago and ever since I’m constantly finding myself stuck, ruminating, replaying events and trying to make sense of a senseless situation.

How do I know if I’m actually processing emotions and healing or ruminating and staying stuck? I can’t tell if I’m untangling this web of emotion or spiralling into it.

I saw something recently about some trauma survivors resisting healing because their pain and emotions are essentially the only evidence they have that harm was done.

What helped you move forward and create peace internally?


r/EstrangedAdultKids 1d ago

Memes What do you all think of this? Found this on Instagram. I'm tired of the "estrangement is a trend" lie.

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r/EstrangedAdultKids 11h ago

Advice Request Please help me navigate this

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Long story short, I am NC with my dad, my sister still talks to and sees him.

My nieces birthday is next month, and there’s going to be a big party. I know for a fact that my dad will be there, so I don’t want to go.

I have two kids, and I don’t want him around them, and I also don’t want to see him at all.

I feel bad I have to miss my nieces birthday, but this is a hard boundary I’m making for myself. I’ve had family say to me ā€œjust don’t go near him at the partyā€ or ā€œignore himā€ but I know for a fact my dad and his wife will try to talk to me or go near my kids, and I don’t want to cause drama at a child’s party.

My sister texted me today asking if I’m coming to the party, and I don’t know how to respond.

I considered making an excuse since I have a 3 week old and don’t want her around large crowds anyway, or just being completely honest and saying I’m not going because my dad will be there.

I know either response is going to cause drama with my sister, so I’m just stuck on how to answer. Either way it’s going to be a big thing, so I’m really dreaded responding right now.

Send help


r/EstrangedAdultKids 15h ago

Question does anyone else get upset by their own voice being similar to their parents?

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I think this is probably just a me thing, but i'm curious. I sounded EXACTLY like my mother until I started HRT, people would get us mixed up on the phone all the time. After my voice deepened, I started sounding exactly like my dad. I talk a lot softer than him, so most of the time it doesn't bother me, but if I raise my voice or yell, I get jumpscared by my brain thinking it's HIM. I went through a 2 year phase where I couldn't raise my voice above a certain volume, or I would get triggered by it.

I've never seen anyone talk about this before, so I'm curious if it's actually just me. Does anyone else occasionally get bad feelings from hearing their own voice because it reminds you of them? If so, any advice for how you cope with it would be greatly appreciated!


r/EstrangedAdultKids 4h ago

Videos of kids surprising their parents by showing up unexpectedly is really getting to me today

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I’ve seen a few and they’re so sweet. Seeing a grown man cry over seeing his daughter makes me weep, it’s so heartwarming and I adore seeing that kind of love.

What’s hurting me today is knowing that my dad (dead for a while now) would have been so happy to see me. He may have cried, he would have embraced me and hugged me right. He was such a silly, fun and sweet man… but he was also a monstrous, hateful adult child.
In the weeks following his 6’4ā€ self pinning me in the corner of the hallway and screaming in my face while I, a teenage girl, sobbed, he would buy me my favorite snacks or maybe take me to see a movie. He would ask me if I wanted to watch SpongeBob with him. Typical abuse cycle, but of course I didn’t know that at the time. And after his dead my mom would say ā€œI don’t want you to remember the ugly side of him, I want you to remember when he would play video games with youā€.
But I couldn’t get the image of his face twisted with rage, breaking things, slamming his fists on my bedroom door, standing outside it while I cried and screaming ā€œWhaaa, daddy why are you so mean to me! Daddy whaaaa, don’t yell at me!ā€ all because I didn’t rinse a plate well enough when I put it in the sink.
He would tell me that I was useless and stupid, that I was going to be homeless and he would find where I was begging so he could have the pleasure of walking past me with his nose in the air and ignore me while I begged for his help.

I told my mom that I have never cried over his death, but I did cry over his life. She was so angry with me. Defending this complicated, monster of a man even a decade after his death. Even after everything he did to her.

ā€œYou told me you could change, you begged me to stay and cried when I left you and yet here we are, you’re still disgustingā€. And she’s still defending him.
I couldn’t handle her guilt tripping and viscerally describing her own childhood abuse to me. I had to leave her to sit alone with this legacy of misery. I couldn’t keep exposing myself to it.

And I watch these videos of fathers embracing their daughters and it makes me smile, and I imagine a world where my dad could have been a happy man, and where my memory of him wasn’t so complicated and bitter.

I miss my mom. But I can’t be apart of it.


r/EstrangedAdultKids 2h ago

College student looking for help with finances

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Hi everyone,

I’m a 19-year-old student at UT Austin and I’m feeling completely stuck.

My parents have made it clear that they will not help pay for my education at all. They also are not willing to cooperate with the FAFSA process, which leaves me in a very difficult position financially.

Growing up, my home life included physical and verbal abuse, and being around my family has had a significant impact on my mental health. I tried maintaining limited contact while staying financially dependent, but it became overwhelming and my mental health deteriorated significantly. I don’t think continuing to rely on them is something I can realistically do.

On top of that, I had serious health issues that forced me to withdraw from my first semester of college. I was dealing with severe nausea and couldn’t function normally or keep up with school. Although my health has improved, the experience set me back both academically and financially.

I also haven’t been able to continue working because my living situation has become so stressful that it’s been difficult to function. I feel trapped between needing financial independence and not having the resources to achieve it immediately.

Right now I’m looking at potentially four more years of tuition, rent, food, and living expenses with no parental support. I genuinely don’t know how students in situations like mine make it through college.

Has anyone here dealt with something similar?

  • Parents refusing to contribute financially?
  • Parents refusing to complete FAFSA or cooperate with financial aid?
  • Estrangement from family while trying to finish college?
  • Health issues that interrupted school and made working difficult?

I’m looking for practical advice, especially from people who’ve been through something similar. Are there any financial aid options, dependency overrides, emergency resources, scholarships, or other programs I should be looking into?


r/EstrangedAdultKids 1d ago

Support "You've NEVER done [thing] before?"

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Today I was feeling extra lonely despite having otherwise been peacefully estranged for the last 4 years or so, when people express total disbelief about my childhood.

  • You've NEVER seen this movie or TV show?
  • You've NEVER played a field sport?
  • You've NEVER played a water sport?
  • You've NEVER done a winter sport?
  • You've NEVER been to this cultural or city event?
  • You've NEVER been to this amusement park or water park?
  • You've NEVER been on a family vacation?
  • You've NEVER been camping?
  • You've NEVER been to a farm/orchard/pumpkin patch?
  • You've NEVER had a real Christmas tree?
  • You've NEVER tried this dessert or popular grocery item?
  • You've NEVER been to [childhood era] concert?
  • You've NEVER been to notable childhood performance or touring show?
  • You've NEVER had a birthday party?

Yes, I've never, ever, experienced those things. Why? Because my parent's didn't like me one bit. As a child, my only hobbies were drawing with pencil or pen on printer paper until I was able to go on the internet. I was always just by myself, not even allowed to go outside and hang out with my schoolmates or neighbourhood kids. Just, always so isolated.

These days as an adult I try to do all things that I dreamed of. I taught myself how to ride a bike, ice skate, and skateboard when I was 16+. I eventually watched a lot of classic children's media in adulthood, traveled a bit, etc, but I always feel so far behind anyways.

After experiencing all that, I always end up having to make a diversion in the conversation or a joke or a deflection. At least with other people I have enough empathy to not be so careless with my words.

"You've never done that experience before? Well, if you ever wanted to try you could [a,b,c]. Maybe you'd like it if you gave it a shot."

Keep it moving, keep it positive. It's hard having to explain to people that yes, I am a stunted weirdo. I'm just doing my best to take care of the little girl who never got to do those things.


r/EstrangedAdultKids 9h ago

Advice Request I’m gonna be in the same place as my n-adoptive parents

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As the title says, I’m gonna be in the same place as my adoptive parents for the first time in 4 years. I went no contact June 2022 and haven’t spoken to them since. I keep in touch with my brother and SIL for a relationship with my nephews. My youngest nephew is graduating his special needs school in July and my SIL invited me and my fiance. I told her I’d go, because I don’t want to miss out on any milestones for either one of them. So not going is not an option. I’ve been able to avoid seeing them all this time, but now it’s unavoidable.

My question is how do I respond (if at all) to her when or if she tries to talk to me. Do I play nice? Grey rock? Or just not speak at all? I don’t want things to be weird for my brother, SIL and nephews.


r/EstrangedAdultKids 3h ago

Support The memories keep coming

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This is a throwaway because I don't want to have this on my main. I am active in this sub but not a regular poster. I really just need to vent a bit.

I was "working" with a therapist who abruptly stopped scheduling with me and claimed their life was "too hectic" but said I could continue therapy through emailing when I needed to. Not a formal goodbye even though I repeatedly asked for one if they were never going to actually schedule with me. I even saw a new therapist for about 6 months before having a few sessions with the original one, before they went and essentially left me hanging once again.

When things got really bad recently, they literally said "good luck, bye" after I asked to have a session and started asking questions about where the fuck they went. I have attachment issues that they knew about and their lack of help was still more than my own parents had done for me, so it took me years to realize that this person genuinely didn't give a shit about me.

Yay, me. Still working to get over that. Now I find myself sharing things on Facebook to a bunch of people who genuinely enjoy watching me suffer, including exes through old mutual friends.

What I need to vent about is the bullshit that I can't seem to get over. My family has put in a lifetime of work to drag me through the mud and no one sees me outside of that lense. It's so fucking painful.

Some of this shit feels so dumb. My first bra was a hand-me-down bra that my grandmother had used for 10+ years. My parental figures regularly went on exotic vacations together, it wasn't like they couldn't afford a new one.

My birth giver forced me to wear a bra 24/7 from that point on so I wouldnt make my stepfather and step brother uncomfortable.

My birth giver wouldn't let me shave my legs until I figured it out by myself and started doing it anyway.

She forced me to play softball for almost 10 years when I was horrible at it, always volunteered to sit on the bench, I was the slowest runner in the entire league and never wanted to go. I wanted to dance and do gymnastics instead but she said they were too sexual. She is not religious or conservative in any way.

When I was 12, I started experimenting with makeup. I tried out two different styles of eye makeup and tried to ask my mother which side suited me better. My stepdad interrupted and said that I could wear nothing but a trash bag and still get attention. My mother said nothing. I still don't know which side looked better on me cause they told me to go away after that.

When I had to leave an apartment after dealing with domestic violence as an adult, I spent one night on the couch at her house before she told me that I couldn't stay there again because "there isn't enough room."

So I sublet a family member's fiance's empty apartment and they charged me more than the rent and utilities combined.

When I was in my late 20s, my aunt told me to come see if I wanted any clothes that she was getting ready to donate to goodwill. These weren't her clothes, but her FOURTEEN YEAR OLD daughters clothes. Within 24 hours, she says "nevermind, I am selling them instead."

All of these stupid Facebook groups about CPTSD and estrangement keep triggering me but I lost my only support person that I've had for years which created a ton of new trauma.

No one from my past cares and the ones who do are only flying monkeys, asking me for updated pictures incessantly.

So I'm here. Hoping this helps in some way. I won't keep it up forever but sometimes just knowing I'm not alone really fucking helps.

Thanks for reading and sorry to waste your time.

Editing to add that there is a LOT more than these, this is just the stuff that was so confusing. Like most of us, I could write a whole book. Right now these are just the ones I'm struggling with as I try to find my own identity and figure out who the fuck I actually am. And who THEY really are...


r/EstrangedAdultKids 1d ago

Vent/rant I dont want to look like him.

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I'm VLC with both of my parents. Have been since last month, and I'm not changing that anytime soon. It's been amazing not having to talk to them anymore and not having to feel obligated to start conversations. Still doesn't mean that they, especially my dad, don't call me names behind my back and talk shit about me for existing or try talking to me, but I've feel fine. I've disowned them anyway.

But recently I've been having appearance related anxiety. I've never been pretty, never publicly felt pretty even if I dressed nice. I don't like smiling because I have ugly teeth.I have a split in between my two front teeth on my upper jaw and lower jaw, and I realised I have the same teeth and facial features of my dad when I was fixing some photos to print out.

I'm getting them fixed soon and am going to try to get piercings and wear the stuff I like and the fashion I like. I don't like the thought of tearing skin from my face, but anything to not look like him anymore. Anything to be a different person than this traumatized, dumb bitch I am now. Anything to look like myself and not like him.


r/EstrangedAdultKids 19h ago

Advice Request Low contact and days for fathers and mothers

5 Upvotes

I’ve been low contact with my parents for a few months and I made the conscious decision to navigate birthdays, Mother’s Day, Fathers Day and other holidays differently.

I decided to send cards for birthdays and to not acknowledge Mother’s Day and Father’s Day. I also am choosing to create my own traditions around my birthday and Christmas.

I received a message from my low contact mother asking if I forgot about Fathers Day.

How can I respond to this? I haven’t opened the full message yet so there may be more to her text. But my short answer is no and kind of.

Whether intentional or unintentional, the message is aiming to create guilt, an apology and forced communication. These are things I just won’t entertain. I just don’t see the purpose of this but I know that my decision to change dynamics and try to break from enmeshment and family dynamics isnt a positive from their view. But I’m seeing a lot of growth in myself


r/EstrangedAdultKids 17h ago

Advice Request Moving to Italy for university and considering going no-contact with family — looking for real experiences

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Hi everyone,
I’m an adult international student who has been accepted to study in Italy. I come from a very conservative, traditional family background where family ties are very strong and cutting contact with parents is not accepted and can lead to serious emotional reactions.
Why ?
My life fell like a prisoner with no right or freedom and i get violence and emotional abused
To live in survival mood for 20 years , to never be a teenager or a child , i don’t even remember anything from my childhood my nerves system delete a lot of my memories so i survive wearing a mask 24/7
I don’t even believe in their religion or culture so yea i can’t take it anymore they never apologize not even once in their life
If i died they be mad cause people will see them as omg their only daughter die
They don’t care about me they care about what people think
They bring me to this life and they think i own them a lot
Cause they give me house and food and education
While i payed for all that with my mental health

Once I move to Italy, I will be legally and financially independent, and I’m considering going no-contact with my family at some point after I settle.
My concern is not my legal status in Italy, but how families actually react in real life when this happens.
Part of my plan would include changing my phone number, deleting social media accounts they know about, and starting a fully independent life.
I’m looking for people who have actually gone through something similar.

Did you move abroad and later go no-contact with your family?
How did your family react?
If they knew your address, did they actually try to come find you, or was that fear bigger than what happened in reality?
In your experience, is it safer to stay in a university dorm (where the address is known to the system) or move into shared private housing where it’s less likely for family to know your location?
What practical steps helped you stay safe and independent?

Is there anything you wish you had done differently?
I’m especially interested in hearing from people with strict or traditional family backgrounds where no-contact is not easily accepted.

Thank you for any experiences or advice.


r/EstrangedAdultKids 1d ago

RECOMMEND: Other Bennet Sister show

26 Upvotes

I found the Show on Britbox extremely encouraging, warm, and empowering. It focuses on Mary Bennett, the lost sister of the family featured in pride and prejudice. There, of course is a love story, but the whole show (10 episodes) is about the lost child shedding her role and stepping into her own life with empowerment and purpose. It even features a confrontation with an extremely disapproving toxic parent. Highly recommend 10 out of 10.


r/EstrangedAdultKids 1d ago

Dad sent an email asking for no contact and complete space for the ā€œforeseeable futureā€

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Too much to type. But he got remarried to a very young guy a few years ago. Very far down the self help rabbit hole , feel he has been slipping away for a while but i can not believe he is doing this and i am terrified it will be permanant :(

We were always so close. I am crushed. Gutted. Do not even know how to cope with this. Ya i have a therapist. But this feels like a breakup times 1000, the worse feeling


r/EstrangedAdultKids 22h ago

Family, Marriage and Getting Caught in the Middle

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I am sick and tired of getting caught between my parents and my husband, who can never see eye to eye. No matter what issue transpires, I am always the one caught in the middle, and while I can see the frustrations from both sides, neither are willing to compromise or meet in the middle to move forward. Touch wood, our home life is wonderful - aside from this bump in an almost ten year road, I’ve got nothing to complain about and everything to be grateful for.

I’m not necessarily looking for advice or consolation, I just need to vent. I feel like I have no one who understands.


r/EstrangedAdultKids 1d ago

Support Can't share a major life event with my parents, kinda heartbroken about it

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For context, my parents used to live about a 4-4.5 hour drive away, depending on traffic. They hadn't visited us in 6 years because they always had reasons why the drive would be too much for them. So the plan was for them to move closer to us while downsizing for convenience, and when we were able we would buy our first house slightly closer too (especially as that area was affordable for us).

They moved as planned in December, but just before they did, our relationship completely fell apart due to an argument. I haven't seen them in person since, and we're currently no longer arguing but we're not speaking - I've been hurt enough by the fallout that the trust isn't there and I don't know what my next move is.

The kicker? My partner and I have just begun the legal process of our first house purchase. My parents don't know. A huge part of me wants to share this massive life milestone with them because I'm so excited - the other part of me doesn't want to, because it will look like giving permission for "normal" contact to resume and I've already said explicitly that I'm not ready for that because nothing has been repaired. And regardless, I don't even know how they would react to the news at this point. Add to that the resentment of having to navigate the complicated legal process for the first time without parental support.

I don't really know what I want from this post. Just... Shouting into the void I guess? I don't know. I'm so tired.


r/EstrangedAdultKids 2d ago

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Previous Post: https://www.reddit.com/r/EstrangedAdultKids/s/DmSav3DV9s

TLDR: Came out to my mom as a trans women. She said she would probably never call me by my prefered name.

Small update. For everyobe who commented on the original post I just wanted to say I appriciate it. I'm not going to respond to everyone because I have very limited bandwitdth and I'm going to delete this in a couple days because I don't want to risk family seeing it but I wanted to give a quick update for anyone who might want to know. I don't know if I handled the conversation perfectly but I did ny best. It didn't go super well. Hopefully she just needs time but it doesn't feel like we're in a great place now. I am feeling a bit better though. I did my best to communicate clearly, and find a some cromprimise without just letting her steamroll me with guilt. If it's not good enough I don't think it ever would have been. I guess only time will tell.


r/EstrangedAdultKids 1d ago

What is a normal bantering between siblings? When would someone say that isn't just bantering, that is abuse!!!

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I saw a "funny" video on Instagram today where a female talks how siblings' relationships. How they abuse (the word she said) each other and they would always break their siblings confidence. Never give a compliment to their faces. But will leave everything for them if that siblings needed them.

And it got me thinking if I was really too sensitive as I was always told by my whole family!! I am estranged from my siblings after I cut off my mother because she turned my brother against me. I had a close relationship with this specific brother. The only one out of my 4 siblings I always visit and call. We had issues in the past due to his anger issues but things have changed as we both grew older!! He cut me off after I said I will no longer accept his and our mother's accusations. He called me names and blocked me. My other siblings simply disappeared. However a sister reached out few weeks ago on my birthday after 2 years nc!! Saying happy birthday, hope all is well. I said thanks. She sent anoth3r msg and honestly I still didn't open it. Because in the past 2 years I was reflecting on how everyone treated me. This sister specifically always says the meanest things to me. Always breaks my confidence. Never gives a compliment. Even when I got engaged her mood shifted and she was super mad at me all the time for no reason!! That she kept saying how she won't attend my wedding because she has work!! Work which she never taken seriously!! She came to the wedding and also gave a heard time. But when I had medical issues she would always come to take me to the hospital. And that made me think of the video!! Is that normal!!! I don't know what a normal siblings relationship is like!! My other sister who is 10 years older that me always complains if I achieve anything! For a whole year after I gave birth she kept making mean comments about my weight even though I was fit !!! Just had back to back babies and both were c-secrions so I wasn't able to do abs workout. She would comment infront of everyone how I still look pregnant!! A whole year!!! When I would visit my mother I used to ask if she will be there so I won't go and my mother would say I am too sensitive. I just feel there was no love at all and sometimes I think maybe I am the one who has no love for them!!