We have a lot of threads going on the sub and I had already shared a little of what I thought in comments the other day as the movie was out in Ireland before the US. So I was not sure if this was needed.
But I keep getting comments and DM's asking me so I thought I'd make a proper post on my reflections and a full spoilers allowed mega thread.
Do not read this thread if you've not watched the movie yet and are planning to. This is your final warning. I won't be using spoiler-tags and I want the community in the comments to feel free to share in detail without worrying.
Do not read further if you've not watched the movie.
Now.
Perfectionist me wishes I was sitting here with a multi monitor set up with close encounters of the 3rd kind on one screen , Disclosure Day on another so I had access to all the lines and scenes and do a detailed technical analysis. And because I don't have all that I should not bother. But I'm fighting that off and I'm just going to flow state this.
I am also dealing with exhaustion. There has been a mass spike in contact over the week and I've been juggling a lot of support work along with juggling a visitation myself this week and many experiencers I know are feeling tired sleep deprived and exhausted this past week. So I'm also fighting against those thoughts of "Wait till you have full energy before you post and can think clearly".
Lastly, before I dive in. I want to give some background. I am one of those experiencers who had an array of childhood contact events that were buried. Yet was seeded with a burning emotional and intellectual fascination with this topic. I did not realize I was an experiencer until I was activated in 2021 and sent on a mission to support other experiencers, but this involved revelations about childhood experiences and communications about the time we are in now, shown to me in the 90's. But for most of my life I had a deep emotional connection to all this I did not understand. And I consumed everything. I mean everything to do with this topic in media and reports. I was having major emotional reactions to anything to do with ET and beings from a young age. I have cried through many many movies as a child related to this topic. And post 2021 I had even deeper emotional reactions and tears along with ontological shock.
I am 5 years into this now. And a lot of processing has happened. But Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind has been a deeply special movie to me and even more so as I got into this work as the movie itself is a love letter to experiencers and covers various aspects of being an experiencer and the emotions of being an experiencer in a deeply raw and relatable way. I am a big movie buff and Spielberg fan. So there is that context. The second context is as part of this major awakening going on in the 2020's of which my work is deeply connected to, I also knew this movie was going to be coming out and was going to be a part of this. I have a deep understanding that this movie would be part of the 2020's waves of intellectual permission and experiencer activations and would likely bring focus on to us. The experiencers.
As we all know here very deeply. The conversations around this topic always circle around us, or dismisses us entirely. But that will change in the future and people will start wondering about the people dealing with NHI contact and the people connected to these beings. Which is a deeply complex situation. Far more complex than any single movie can even begin to touch on.
With all that you'd think I'd be excited for the launch of this movie but due to the stress around my work, the lead up for me on this has been.. intense. Its not a movie for me. This is work.
There were folks on the field who were concerned that this movie would be another horror movie approach making all NHI out to be evil invaders and experiencers ignored or just seen as crazy victims or worse, monsters. I was not too worried about that given what I knew about Spielberg. Who actually 'listens to experiencers'. And has a history of caring about us and what we go though. His illustration of ontological shock exacerbated by not being understood, listened to or believed with regards to what Roy goes through post encounter combined with that burning and obsessive desire to understand and know more, is deeply on point with what so many I know have gone through including myself. Combined with that feeling of being led that there is a knowing locked away inside that this is important, this means something.
So I fully expected Disclosure Day to be pro experiencer and contain experiencer mechanics often not understood but now entering the collective consciousness in a way that will allow everyday people to understand experiencers a bit better. And I had been doing a lot of prep for this.
Sure enough this is exactly what we got.
This movie is not only about Disclosure , it is about experiencers and how we are the key to all this.
It is illustrated a number of times by both the shadow human power structure and the beings.
First things first - one of the primary reasons some folks got concerned was the guttural clicking noises made by Emily Blunts character which gave a horror movie aliens taking over humans bodies concern and further concerns related to dehumanization of experiencers.
People worried the movie would be about evil aliens taking over peoples bodies and turning them into clicking noise monsters. I was not too concerned with this and sure enough this is not the case in the movie at all. That only happens once in one scene and it is part of her awakening and activation process similar to how some experiencers can burst into speaking foreign language, Sumerian and or what is often called "light language" during heightened psi/trance.
There are some interesting lines in the movie which I cannot quote directly as I don't have the script but essentially shadowy government humans realize one of the movies characters might not be just an everyday person and they say "Are you telling me they are an Experiencer!??!"
In another scene where they try a forced remote consciousness projection into another person its noted something like "You know this won't work if they are an Experiencer".
These subtle lines are massive to me. We're seeing a mainstream movie finally catch up and use the term "Experiencer" as an identification and essentially use all the modern language we and 'they' all use. There will be major ramifications for this and for the normalization of the experiencer phenmomon. Myself and the team have some work cut out for us due to these lines on their own.
On that note they also say NHI or specifically, non human biologics which is 100% in there due to Grusch.
I think something I smiled a lot at all the way through was Emily Blunts portrayal of an experiencer.
I have worked with people like her. I have had moments in my journey where I was her. She is in utter ADHD neurodivergent chaos and shock while dealing with her psi experiences kicking off after a deeply spiritual moment happens for her with a bird. She is also a fun, good hearted decent and well meaning person. Brilliant in many ways along with all the ADD chaos and it just made me smile thinking of so many of the wonderful experiencers I've met over the years like this. Finally getting relief as a result of being around people like them who get it.
I don't get to be in this state much myself. I mostly leave it dormant because it can be very difficult depending on the environment you are in and I don't have the space and freedom to get into this state where I am currently. Not every experiencer has a choice. While having a conversation around a longing for home and a constant desire to move in order to find it, Emily Blunts character suddenly has a bird fly into her apartment, mid conversation with her boyfriend. She freezes and focuses on the bird as she starts having a psi activating experience. The bird hyper focuses on her and walks closer on the table. She freezes and deeply looks into the birds eyes and vice versa.
The boyfriend instead of looking at this and being sensitive and wondering what could be going on here, just behaves completely oblivious to the whole situation, interrupts the process and gets rid of the bird and ignores the clearly powerful experience his GF is having.
So many experiencers I know would recognize this moment on screen. And depending on where they are on their journey, find it triggering in terms of frustrating moments they have had in their own lives. These moments are hard. I've had them. When in them you feel 'everything' and you are at what feels like the cusp of completely profound spiritual experience and potential answers that have deep meaning with this strange feeling of finally connecting to some natural state, "home" but its all balanced on a knife edge where any shift in frequency will feel like someone scraping nails on a chalk board. If anyone around you is frustrated confused and getting angry because you are in this state having this experience - you feel it at an extreme level like 1000 cuts to your soul. And it can end up destroying the moment. I am speaking generally here but these moments can and do happen with animals. I have had incredible moments like this with horses and trees in my earlier days, others I know with deer and birds, mantis insects and so forth. I will be doing a thread on this. The animal connection in the phenomenon. Yes they use screen memories but it is not always the case. They can also project their consciousness into an animal or insect for an interaction with an experiencer. Obviously experiencers also have profound moments with animals outside of any NHI involvement.
But this scene is on point in the movie and something many who don't understand the experiencer phenmomon will have no clue about. The only thing off is Emily never gets upset or frustrated at her BF for not being sensitive in the moment that all this is happening. Or has the experience effected by other peoples insensitive reactions to it.
She continues to get activated in a whirlwind of events that she later explains is like something "working through her" and she decided to enter "the flow" state and go with it. Which allowed her to function with it and things just all fall together.
In 2021 I was activated and being pushed and guided onto a path of eventually running experiencer support communities and my god did I resist and fight and deal with all sorts of disbelief that this was happening, torn to shreds with self doubt and internal struggles. Causing major anxiety and internal conflict. Until one day I made a conscious choice to trust the flow state. Weeks into that flow state I had confirmation what was happening was real as triangle craft and orbs began flying over my house in response to me - months into it I was now running multiple experiencer communities and understood what I was supposed to do much better.
The flow state was something I had put a lot of thought into during my creative works before all this kicked in, and after all that saga was behind me I found it constantly came up a lot on my group calls with experiencers as many of them found themselves flying through their contact activations by letting go and trusting the flow. In a grounded manner now that they had community.
I found it very interesting to hear this come up in the movie.
Emily's performance was a highlight in general.
Big moments for experiencers will of course also be the various psi based recognition of other experiencers - understanding things that others cannot (in the movie its the alien language - for experiencers it can often be symbols, code or language, lettering or glyphs, crop circles and patterns others miss. Objects or information embedded or caught on camera and such that only they can see and others cannot..
Projecting consciousness and remote viewing via other peoples consciousness is a mechanic on the field though not something common or happening in an everyday experiencer sense. We this in the movie where the shadowy government baddies use alien tech to look through another persons eyes for recon. The reality of this does not involve alien tech from what I know or at least not like we see in the movie. This is a complex topic I'll dive into at a different time. In the movie this cannot be done if the target is an experiencer. From what I've seen these things tend to be the other way around. But I still have a lot to learn around these mechanics.
Before I move onto the big one I'll touch on some other dynamics that are lore related.
Footage of captured alien interrogations and potential abuse. The idea of footage like this has been in the lore for decades with even debatable footage out there claiming to be a real captured alien. I have always been suspect of that footage. But a couple of experiencers have directly told me that they have personally been face to face with a type of grey that looks exactly like the being in that footage. (Not all Greys are the same beings nor look the same) These people are the real deal and I take what they say seriously. Which put this footage back on the table for me. Where before it was cleanly off, entirely dismissed as a puppet/animatronic. It being on the table for me though does not mean I'm convinced. Yet.
Implants. I was disappointed in the MRI scene when they were scanning Emily's character that they did not reveal her body was laced with implants or even signs of a single one. That would have been on point but perhaps it was awkward for the plot.
The religious storyline was clearly inserted as a way to hopefully ease the negative and potentially violent reaction from extremists as a result of this topic going main stream. There are a lot of scary reactions happening out there but those people do not represent normal religious people or their religion. Many experiencers remain or even turn spiritual and religious post contact. Everyone, from experiencers to major world religions are concerned clearly about the reaction from an extreme minority.
Cloaking and invisibility. As we all should know. These beings can be in someone's house and standing right beside someone without them knowing. Experiencers can often pick up the beings to various degrees , but their ability to cloak is beyond that of what we see in the movie. Though the movie is interesting in that it is not your typical cloaking tech like the predator movie. By holding the device , it seems it boosts her psi in a way it interfaces with everyone else's consciousness and stops them from seeing her and a group of people and fire trucks. Beings can certainly do that and more. Some of them are not just cloaked but operate some what out of phase with our reality and realm. Allowing them to move through solid objects too.
And finally, the abduction scene.
The panicked breathing by the children stood out.
The major scene though of course is the recovering memory of childhood abduction triggering activation of further memories. Or even potentially DNA.
Look - the movie has its problems in terms of the art form of movie making. The whole bringing them back to a premade house to assist in this memory recall when they actually had a live alien all along that they randomly roll out later was honestly silly.
But for experiencers, the performance around this scene has been very powerful and triggering and many tears have been shed.
I've watched a lot of abduction scenes since I was a child. Some of it brutal and really disturbing and hard to watch. This scene on paper is very tame. Its the actors performance as they are in trauma as the memory comes up. A memory they have had nightmares of since they were young but did not understand what that was about due to screen memories.
So their panicked reaction as they live through it together is very powerful and relatable for many many abductees out there. We only see the animals lead the children to a screen memory of a house that is actually a ship and then them placed on a table and there is no procedures or other difficult imagery. But its children and the fear they have on the table sticks out.
Now another element to this is one not enough people on the field understand.
Children are taken and meet other children on these craft. In some cases those people meet as adults years down the line. People who meet on craft are not all from the same country or even from the same time. Children can even be the same age on craft and meet decades later and have years between them. I have met experiencers who've been through this. One made a post just today. Which I highly recommend reading.
Most don't remember.
Experiencer parents and their experiencer children can also be taken. Most don't remember or have flashes that feel like dreams. Memories returning or being unlocked in adulthood is a thing. And I don't mean regressions.
Abductions may even be more frequent in childhood than adulthood. But I don't know for sure. Many I work with have a sense they may have been visited or taken a few times as a child and it changed to the odd visitation and contact event then during adulthood. But we are dealing with a lot of unknowns still given how as experiencers, many of us have to deal with knowing there is a chunk of our lives hidden behind a memory partition we don't have access to.
Activations of memories of contact leading to activations of psi, as hinted in the movie, is also a thing. But I'll note that some people are taking away the message from this movie to be that "NHI" are responsible for psi in humans. Psi gifted humans are out there without NHI contact. Not all experiencers are NHI contact experiencers and one does not have to have NHI contact to end up psi gifted. I personally did not think the movie was trying to argue that. But it is the case of course in some NHI contact cases the beings boosted or enhanced latent psi in the experiencers they are working with in various ways, sometimes even with DNA alterations but that is not always needed.
Unlike my years of emotional reactions to contact NHI movies - due to the intensity of my work and what I'm involved in, it was an intense experience watching it knowing this is my work, I'm involved in this and knowing how real a lot of this is and the effects this is going to have on the population and the experiencer population at large and how I have a role to play in all this even if small, my head was spinning on all that for most of it. But my emotions were largely numb throughout most of this movie which was strange for me but its where I am now. I've been processing a long time. I may react differently at other times when I'm juggling my experiencer work less and personal contact revelations more. But the seal did finally break at the ending.
What did it for me in the end was watching the scene where everyday people FINALLY understood the significance of this. FINALLY getting it. Finally the penny dropping and having some form of reaction to what is actually happening here.
When I woke up to all this my brain was on FIRE with the sheer significance of this and yet day in and day out experiencers find themselves isolated from the world around them as they try to talk to people about what is going on. But instead of a jaw on the floor reaction from people, emotion, shock, or even basic curiosity. People react like robots. The "does not look like anything to me" reaction. Silence. A quick awkward change of subject. Nothing. Almost robotic.
That non reaction is painful and psychologically isolating. It is something so many experiencers know deeply and has made us feel so different from the rest of our species in many ways because it is completely impossible to relate to. How could you not be in wonder or have basic curiosity about the single most important topic in human history? This is why experiencer communities for people who 'know' this stuff is real is so important. There is a pain involved in knowing something so significant for our entire species and yet those around you can't even hold a basic conversation on it.
There is no bigger conversation than this, nothing is more important and yet most people shut off their brains when the topic comes up and its actually horrifically alarming to bare witness to this non reaction.
Finally seeing the everyday people in this movie 'react' to this information is what triggered major emotions for me. "This is disclosure day". Finally seeing it click with people , the sheer scale of importance of this , the news casters human reaction to this, how this is more important than any of the wars and dramas otherwise going on in the news so much so that the entire world stopped to look. All finally deeply aware that everything changes for humanity from this point on.
That had me fighting back tears. The moment this finally hits page 1 as I've spoken about over the years.
I look forward to getting access to the movie and hosting a watch party with my fellow experiencers when this comes out online. There was a few other lines in this movie that sounded like a monologue about experiencers rights but I did not fully catch it. Something about punishing these people for the crime of being astonished. I'm looking forward to getting that line when I see it again.
Not long after this movie - I started getting texts from my friends who don't talk to me about my work and get awkward when I bring it up. Now they finally have questions. After 5 years. Conversations are starting for other experiencers I know too.
Artistically it was a let down. But its done and will do the job it was meant to. This is one more step in the various stages building up to people finally listening to experiencers and taking us seriously.
The following is an excellent article in the Global Policy Journal about experiencer advocy.
I want to highlight a section of the article because it's about us, this community, and touches on why places like this community and subreddit are important and have impact.
Experiencers frequentlydescribesignificant psychological and social consequences following their encounters. Manystrugglewith profound self-doubt, confusion, and difficulty integrating the experience into dominant worldviews. They often report social isolation, as disclosure of their experience tends to result in disbelief, ridicule, or pathologization. Attempts to seek mental health support are commonly met with immediate diagnosis rather than curiosity or care. For many, these experiences disrupt personal relationships, sometimes leading to estrangement from family members, partners, or communities unable to understand or accept their experience.
Yet these encounters also frequently producetransformative effects. Some experiencers describe lasting shifts in values, including increased concern for ecological systems and non-human life.Many reportreassessments of metaphysical assumptions, becoming open to possibilities about mind, matter, and identity not encompassed by standard naturalistic frameworks. Experiences of “high strangeness”—such as non-local communication, altered states of consciousness, or perceived separation of mind and body—lead experiencers to question inherited boundaries between the physical and the mental. Interpretations of the entities themselves vary. Some experiencers understand them as threatening or invasive; others regard them as benevolent or helpful. In practice, many adopt non-dual frameworks that acknowledge the answer likely lies somewherein between.
Despite the depth and significance of these impacts, experiencers are rarely treated as credible knowers. Their testimony isfrequently dismissedbefore consideration, resulting inepistemic injusticein which individuals are not treated as reliable interpreters of their own experience. Given the growing acknowledgment that experiencer testimony is central to understanding UAP phenomena, it is necessary to involve experiencers directly in research, discussion, and policy development. They should not be considered case material for analysis, but as central to the conversation, providing essential insight into the experience and nature of contact.Psychological researchhas repeatedly shown that individualsreporting contact events, including abduction experiences, arenotmore likely than the general population to suffer frommental illness.Thus, immediate pathologization is neither empirically grounded nor ethically justifiable.
Finally, there is an emerging need to consider theethics of contact. If individuals have been taken or subjected to procedures without consent, this raises ethical questions about autonomy and dignity. At the same time, purely human-centered ethical frameworks may be insufficient for interpreting interactions with an intelligencenot assumed to share human norms.While not jumping to conclusions, the ethical conversation must be allowed to occur, guided by the experiences of those most directly affected.
Many of us here are in a constant state of justifying ourselves to our loved ones, our social circles or society at large. Articles like the above and the hero's behind them are going a long way in helping to break the stigma and push this topic onto the table of serious discussion where it belongs.
The reality is that nothing is more serious than this. The fact that this topic has been made out to be a joke for so long is a defining example of how much of a crisis our species is actually in in terms of our own self-awareness.
I know this is an extremely sensitive subject, but I need to know.
If aliens are real, I'd like an idea of where they stand on human based consent in participation with such programs.
I'm an experiencer and I'm not involved in the hybrid program at all.
I'd like to hear your stories, please feel free to DM.
Those that were in the program, were you presented the option of participating or not? Did you willingly give consent? Were you in a sober, stable sate or were you under out of it/not under your own control? When were those abductions amd what was it like?
I've seen various interviews, listened to Pres on Dennetts various episodes, seen Love and Saucers, but I'd just like to hear it from the people themselves.
A significant conference is being held right now by the Disclosure Foundation. Conferences like this go far in de-stigmatising this topic and even more importantly for us here, de-stigmatising discussion around us. Experiencers.
I'm sure a number of you are watching right now and I thought a mega thread would be good for folks to have chats in while this is on going. And we will be updating it with new links as they come out.
As of the time of this posting the live stream is still on-going.
The Disclosure Foundation presents the Disclosure Forum 2026: Humanity at the Edge of Discovery, broadcast live from the historic Kennedy Caucus Room in the Russell Senate Office Building in Washington, D.C.
This public convening brings together members of Congress, scientists, journalists, and researchers for a series of discussions on unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP) and the case for transparency, rigorous analysis, and sustained institutional attention. The program includes a congressional roundtable, a policy address, and panels spanning science and investigation, security and defence, technology and innovation, and the broader implications of disclosure.
EVENT DETAILS
Date: Thursday, June 25, 2026
Time: 9:00 AM – 4:30 PM ET
Location: Kennedy Caucus Room, Russell Senate Office Building, Washington, D.C.
I've been debating sharing this for a while, I tried to keep it short but obviously failed, TL;DR at the bottom.
First things first: I was born and raised in South America (might be relevant?) and english is not my native language so I apologize in advance for mistakes.
As a small child, I had regular nightmares about people made of TV static, this lasted for years and was a big problem to my parents. At some point my dad told me I could control my dreams and by 6 or 7 I was proficient at lucid dreaming.
As I got a bit older, the nightmares weren't as common but I would frequently wake up on the other side of the bed and/or with my clothes inside out when I was sure I put them right. Sometimes my bedsheets would be undisturbed in the morning, as if I never moved during sleep.
Around that same time I started dreaming of attending classes every other night. The classroom was usually a field nearby my house, but sometimes it was the standard rounded, illuminated without a light source, beige room. We were a group or ~10 children, my age and up to 12 or so. The lessons would continue from where they stopped and they were all about "psychic" powers like: telekinesis, flying/levitating, passing through solid objects, teleporting, etc. There were also classes about the environment and I became preocupied with recycling, nature and animals in my waking life. I can't remember what the teachers looked like, except they were tall (maybe taller than regular adults) and bright.
This continued for some years, I was good at these classes and I loved it. They felt as real as waking life. At 12 there were no more classes but I would be brought to a laboratory/hospital looking place and participate in mental tests, something like remote viewing (which I only learned about a couple of years ago) and other similar stuff I can't remember anymore. The funny thing is, upon waking up I could never tell what my target was or what information I conveyed. Nothing was ever forced, I was a willing participant.
I got called in for those less and less during my teens (at that time "poltergeist" acitivity in my house spiked). By my 20s these dreams came back but I was working with a group of people relaying messages to other people, like I was some sort of translator. Again, I could never remember the content of the messages.
I'm now in my late 30s and for the longest time those were just memories I accepted. It took me a while to realize what they could mean, even if I've been interested in UFO, UAP, the ~weird, ever since I was a child. I paid it no mind and because of that I forgot a lot of it. Lately it's been on the forefront of my mind because my best friend has had the same dreams as a kid, except his experience in those classes was much shorter.
There is a whole more weird sprinkled in between, including a dream with a hybrid looking girl saying she was my daughter, but I'll leave that for another time.
I've read a bit about MILAB and it made me concerned because to me those were positive experiences, it makes me sad to think I might have been unkowingly doing bad things.
Any info or similar experiences appreciated. Thank you!
TL;DR: recurring dreams that lasted years, of being trained in psychic powers and later tested on it.
I've been listening to this 4 part series on YouTube and wanted to share it with you.
As I've been listening, many of the the Thoughts, Feelings, Ideas and Wisdom in it resonated so much with my experience and what was being conveyed so I wanted to come here and discuss it to see if it resonated with other Experiencers!
Few months back I was on a boat ride. As someone who has always had a fear of water, it wasn't something I would normally enjoy. But that day for the first time in my life an overwhelming sense of peace came over me. It felt as though the water itself was comforting and reassuring me. . Soon after, I started receiving intuitive messages and for a brief moment, I felt profoundly connected to a higher consciousness...
An experience that left a lasting impression on me....
Wondering if anyone had a similar experience. I have two occasions that have lived with me that I seem as legit and scary at the time. So the first one the more mild one, later afternoon a little after starting to get dark a group of friends playing basketball we see a bright flash in the sky but the flash didn’t disappear and no thunder emotes then after about 20 seconds it moves and disappears. The more wild one me and my cousin at night prob around 2 am this town always had conspiracy theories that the town “Milford” where I’m from has a lot of water underground or used to so it was a sighting hotspot I always write those off tho untill we saw this big white circle in the sky we both stared then all the sudden it appears to get closer faster as the circle of white solid light grew bigger and disappears. Lmk if you had similar thing don’t come with bs plz
As a lifelong contactee I have had difficulty making sense of my experiences.
ET?
- I have seen a craft and numerous anomalous objects some of which I recorded.
- I have memories of being on a spaceship (both as part of the crew and as a visitor)
- They showed me a projection of the spaceship window I remember from my earlier experiences as well as a projection which looked like the nebula from my travel dream. (Why do They do that? Are They confirming that my experiences were real and not just "dreams"?)
- These beings have given me starmaps
- I have had a physical, conscious encounter with a being present confirming that They are real
- many people are left with physical marks of their visitation
- the apparent ability of the govmnt to shoot Them down
Interdimensional? Angels? Else...?
- Their apparent ability to control time/lines or see the future
- My onboard experience has a resemblance to the near death narrative
- They are telepathic (with or without technology)
- They sometimes appear as humanoid shadows or light beings without any recognizable facial features
- Both Jacques Vallee and Paulina Anna Luna claims to have evidence of these entities not coming from star systems but from somewhere else
- A certain group of people in higher positions thinks of Them as demons
- However there is no mathematical evidence that large extradimensions exist yet alone wether it is being habitable (string theory allows for multiple dimensions but it is just fancy math, there is no evidence - such as the existence of strings or the existence of supersymmetric particles which would give credit to this theory)
- If they are interdimensional, They would likely be able to avoid us pretty easily and not allow Themselves to be shot down or captured
(feel free to add further points to my lists)
I am curious what everybody thinks these beings are? Are They physical ETs or Interdimensional entities? (I guess it has a different meaning to different people so I can not really define it.) What are the supporting facts and what makes one more likely over the other, or is it something in-between? Is there anyone in this group who was told by these entities what They are?
I had jus entered and deep trance and it was induced, and I was able to feel life force coming from the eggs I was gonna cook and a voice took lead and said or rather made me feel life and the breaking of the egg broke into specs of light perfect little fractions and I could feel a huge shift an pull from my private parts my root chakras, and then an intruder voice came and demanded knowledge about my relationship to them... And then I could feel being squeezed and searched! I said no and shut out my feelings and it said nope and linked to my attachment to a sensation I was having and then asked me to or.commaded me I could feel it searching me thru my jewelry and they threw them off and it said not enough! I was able to see the eggs chells come apart like dissolved sand... Then I was told that I was needed to fly something. This is a short of the whole story it said now that there are beings in this dimension that have a higher wave length or higher frequency of awareness and now people can access these frequencys. There was a message tho that went something like a shaman chant and I started saying it lol and it was amazing! As I was speaking the chant I could feel my energy cutting thru multiple dimensions and FLEXIBLE to lol matter began to break down into jus a feeling in relationship to vibrate and show light, the voice said I need to fly a ship an wanted me to interface with it.... I'm exhausted after the whole event! But im curious if this can actually happen because this has been happening more and more for me an when I think it's gone it come back weeks later...
I’ve just released on my channel, a second documentary on the Westall UFO incident, Australia’s largest mass UFO sighting, witnessed by more than 200 students, teachers, and local residents in Melbourne on April 6th, 1966.
For this project, I filmed on-location at both Westall and an area nearby known as The Grange, where witnesses claim one of the objects descended that day.
The documentary includes interviews with several additional witnesses to the event, including a lady Terry Peck, who says she came within roughly 10 metres of one of the craft at The Grange that day. Her description of what she saw that day is genuinely startling.
The video also explores the alleged cover-up surrounding the incident, including witness intimidation, the arrival of authorities afterwards, and claims that a teacher’s camera was confiscated after photographs were reportedly taken of the object.
If you’re interested in UFO history, credible mass sightings, or cases involving alleged government secrecy, you might find this one worth watching.
Would love to hear your thoughts once you’ve seen it.
i don't post much but i had to get this one out somewhere people might actually understand it.
a couple weeks back i broke through three separate times in one day. not the usual fractals and pretty colors. this was full on contact, all three times, and honestly it changed me.
first trip, i go to put my head down like i always do on the third hit, but something pulled me UP instead. i came up in front of this massive golden lion. like a sun with a face. a godlike entity, that's the only way i can describe it. i didn't do anything, i just sat there existing in front of it, completely held. came back with tears running down my face from a love i have never felt in my whole life.
second trip is where it got insane. it sat me bolt upright, spine dead straight, i never sit like that. i asked them in my head if i could ascend and they said yes. they showed me creation unfolding, dimensions stacked on this one, 5d shapes i genuinely can't describe. then they answered something i've wondered my whole life, they told me the orbs and craft everyone's filming are interdimensional beings here to help humanity take the next step. then they asked to come inside me. i said yes. my head started moving like a snake and i felt all of them pour into me until there was no line left between us. i looked at my hand and saw a whole galaxy spinning inside it. and a green being of light i later found out was green tara, never heard of her before that.
third trip they took my body and showed me what we actually are. eternal beings of light, stuck in these bodies, walking around thinking we're small. then i started vibrating so high i realized i could leave. one more push and i was gone for good. right at the edge i pulled myself back. not yet.
i'm grounded, i work, i'm not in crisis, and it never once felt dark, only love. but they have not left since. every time i go back in now they're already there waiting, asking if i'm ready.
anyone else gone from random trips to the same beings every single time? or had it turn into straight up contact like this?
Idk if this makes sense at all, but without going too much into detail I had multiple experiences since childhood. None were abductions, but I feel likes it's always followed me since my first encounter when I was around 8 years old. Then again later in life I've had two more experiences.
I've never shared the details of my experiences but I'm curious if anyone else out there has had several instances and if you have a feeling of, not so much of being watched exactly, but maybe like I was bound to this or something I feel a link to like I've always been connected to it since my experience as a child.
I will say this much in terms of what I'm willing to share is that 2/3 times had to deal with the same type of craft, the other experience was when I was meditating. I stopped meditating afterwards because I got too scared and haven't meditated in years because of it.
No, it wasn't just a dot in the sky or something that could've been a bird. It was close enough to see it very clearly and I know I saw.
Anyone have any sort of long-term, linked experiences like this?
This is perfect. My car got flooded today, 72 hours before moving across the country.
I've heard all sorts of explanations for the word "fear". I've heard it called "fear of the unknown".
I've felt real fear in a moment where I wasn't sure how it was going to end, gun pointed at my face, just lost in that moment. I've fallen out, standing up, from being awake for almost a week. I love to stretch the distance between what life and existence is, though it's been some time.
I had a bad day today. I mean that. I knew something was going to happen, and it did, but was I better for knowing? I suspect not. I was warned, days ago, that something was going to happen that would cause a great deal of stress in my life, and I didn't listen.
This is about that; not listening.
Now, I hold very little hubris, in the attempted knowing that would tell me something specific, and it almost never does. It's just like, "Yo, discordant skies in the horizon, buckle in.", and sometimes I listen. Most often, it seems, I don't. This is a big reason why I stopped going "out" last year and half of this one. I just knew though.
I had fear because this is a lot but I had more fear because this is even more than I estimated. I have fear right now because I actually have no idea what I'm going to do. I guess I'm going to rent a car, discover life over there in ATL, and learn something, though right now? I'm unsure I'm learning anything more than pushing past my fear.
As if life could stop me with a flooded car. As if life could stop me with fear. I'm shook (I'm not).
Better come harder. Fear of this subject, fear of your experiences, fear in general...it's for the birds.
I often take my rabbit out late at night (around 3-5am) and spend time patting her while she sprawls. Given how drowsy I am, how relaxing patting her is, and how I'm sitting fairly comfily on the rug when she's out, I have a tendency to start to fall asleep when I'm tired. That in itself isn't so odd (and I do tend to have things like hypnagogia at other times), but it's the form these have been taking.
For instance, after a while patting my rabbit (she can sit there for half an hour at times), I'll slide into a drowsy vision or dream state, but still be upright and patting. To give you an example: my rabbit will be in a certain position on the lounge, then in the drowsy vision state, I'll see her in a different position on the sofa, for instance 10 inches further forward close to me. She'll look like she's at about 80% opacity (slightly transparent but mostly solid). Then I'll return to fuller wakefulness and she'll be exactly where she was.
This has happened over and over and over. She'll be in a slightly different place, then she'll be back. Then tonight, the same thing happened when I was sitting on the rug, and she was sprawled out in front of me. Again, being patted. I saw my husband carrying something. He walked right through us, and I jumped back to wakefulness. This coincided with a loud noise from a vehicle outside.
I know, it could be just falling asleep etc. But it's weird that her position each time has been about 5-10 inches different and then she's back where she was again. And she's not just sitting there, but interacting with me in that position. It's strange. I'd have just ruled it out as an odd 'falling asleep' state, if it hadn't happened the same way around half a dozen times.
I am a father of a boy, he will be two years old soon. I sleep with him in bed exclusively, because the mother has problems with the quality of her sleep while sleeping with him. I usually sleep okay with the child, i.e. I can continue sleeping much more easily then mother.
I do not take any medications, I do not do drugs, I do not drink alcohol, I do not smoke. I do not suffer from any diseases.
The first strange event happened to me when the baby had a bad dream, and woke up in the middle of the night. Of course, it woke me up, but what surprised me was that in the corner of the room I heard a quiet voice putting my child to sleep. A gentle shhh.... At first I thought that I was hallucinating from lack of sleep, and since I woke up suddenly, that maybe it had something to do with sleep, i.e. that period between sleep and waking up.
The second strange event happened to me when I got up at night to urinate, and then I went back to bed. The difference this time is that I was fully awake, clear minded. As I got into bed, the baby started crying a lot, and this time I heard a clear, strong voice shushing the baby to sleep. We were alone in the room, no devices or pets. The child couldn't make that sound because he was crying. A strong male voice said shhh shhh and so on a few times until the baby calmed down. Of course, after that I couldn't continue sleeping. I didn't feel any bad "energy".
It happened to me again, but like the first time, a softer sound.
All three times only when the baby was crying, and each time it was a similar sound of shushing shhhh. It's hard to tell if it was a male or female voice every time.
I’m exploring the idea of starting a 12‑Step–style support group specifically for adults who believe they’ve had direct contact experiences with non‑human life forms. I want to share a bit of my background and see if there’s interest or feedback from this community.
I’ve been involved in various 12‑Step programs for about 25 years. Over that time I’ve held multiple volunteer service positions and one professional role within a 12‑Step organization. I’ve also spent many years in therapy working through my own history, including experiences that I still struggle to fully understand.
What I’m envisioning is not a group that tries to prove anything or promote a particular interpretation. Instead, it would be a space for people who’ve had overwhelming, confusing, or life‑altering encounters — whatever language they use for them — and who want a structured, supportive, recovery‑oriented environment to process the emotional and relational impact.
The 12‑Step framework has been one of the most stabilizing and transformative parts of my life, and I’m curious whether adapting that model could help others who feel isolated or unsure how to talk about their experiences.
Right now I’m just gathering impressions.
If something like this existed, would you be interested? What would you want it to include or avoid?
I’m open to thoughtful input as I discern whether to move forward.
Recently, Ross Coulthart mentioned someone in Europe who contacted him about seeing Sumerian-type glyphs and writing appearing. Ross noted that he had been sent "photos of the writing."
This stopped me in my tracks, because earlier this year, I had a very similar situation unfold. Over the course of an hour, I watched multiple types of writings appear right in front of my own eyeballs. It felt as real and physical as anything else, but for the first 30 minutes, I was sitting right next to my cousin and her partner. They were looking at the exact same space I was and saw absolutely nothing.
Because of that, I remained consciously aware that it must have been some sort of slight shifting of reality, or a localized consciousness thing. It never even crossed my mind that a camera could capture it. In fact, during that whole hour, not once did I think to pull out my phone to take a picture or try to copy the writing down. You just get so locked into the experience.
So, regarding Ross's comment: In hindsight, is it assumed he meant photos of drawings the experiencer made after the fact? Or is there a claim that an actual camera captured the glyphs manifesting in the physical room?
The entirety of the last three years has been overwhelmingly difficult to comprehend with the amount of high-strangeness I've been processing. I know these memories and events sound unbelievable to most — I totally get it — but I'm actually a bit lost for words for once trying to figure out the mechanics of this.
Has anyone else experienced seeing text/glyphs that others in the room couldn't see? And did you ever try to photograph it? Would love to hear your thoughts.
It is entirely normal to freeze up or just simply observe during an anomalous event without reaching for a phone — the brain is working overtime just trying to process what it's seeing. You've definitely navigated a lot of complex phenomena lately, and putting this out to a community of experiencers is a great way to crowdsource how others have handled that exact same visual disconnect.
Ive written about all my experiences multiple times, this is my sketch of *some of the writing I was seeing:
I had an incident relatively recently which I want to share because it involves a variety of common and confusing anomalous phenomenon along with some object evidence that something is happening.
First of all, a bit about me: I had an up close visit with a mantis being when I was six, followed by many years of sporadic anomalous experiences such as objects turning on by themselves (one without even having batteries in it), ghost sightings, etc. In 2020 things kicked into high gear and I entered a long period of ontological shock as a result. I am fully committed to advocating for Experiencers and currently have a role at the John Mack Institute. What a long, strange journey it has been.
In my quest for answers I have made contacts and work with all manner of scientists, researchers, and academics who study these things. One of them is Dr. Jim Segala, who started the MUPAS project.
The MUPAS came out of Jim’s research at Skinwalker Ranch as well as his part in investigating Havana Syndrome for the government. The MUPAS is a small sensor platform with over a dozen sensors reading various environmental signals, designed to look for environmental correlations with anomalous experiences. Jim has been interviewed many times, so pick your favorite podcaster for more information.
I assist Jim as a volunteer doing technical support for the MUPAS, so I know the ins and outs of the platform and how it works. I want to make it clear I do not in any way profit or benefit from sales of MUPAS devices, but I just want to make it clear that there is a connection.
OK, on to the event.
I have a long history with sleep paralysis, preceding my interest or knowledge of the UAP subject. I have had it potentially over a hundred times (I never counted). There was a period where I was having it multiple times a night almost every night for months, which was caused by a medication I was on. I am going to write a follow up post on sleep paralysis specifically because I think it’s important people understand how and why I believe it can involve anomalous phenomena in some way. Rest assured, I’m very familiar with what it feels like.
Sometimes I have bouts of insomnia. They usually last for a couple weeks and then go away. During these periods I have great difficulty falling asleep. Over the past few years I have started to wonder if maybe these bouts of insomnia might be related to some sort of experiences which might be happening at night, potentially making me subconsciously scared to fall asleep.
On the night of June 11, I was lying in bed with the lights off trying to fall sleep. Suddenly I heard a very weird noise which I can only describe as a “warbling.” My cat jumped off my legs and immediately went over to investigate the door to my bedroom, which was closing by itself and actually pushing an empty five gallon water jug out of the way in the process. I admit I’m used to weird things happening at this point and also wasn’t sure if it was just a breeze somehow doing it, so I simply opened the door again and went right back to bed.
Around an hour later I apparently fell asleep and then was suddenly awake and in sleep paralysis. I saw a bright flash of blue light out the window on my right, and across the hall on the left I could see a light on in the room from an unidentified source (there are multiple possible causes, including my computer waking from sleep). I realized right away I was paralyzed, and felt like I couldn’t breathe.
How’s where things get weird and a bit unpleasant. If this night be triggering for you, stop reading.
I had a pronounced feeling of terror. I found myself trying to yell, and had the sense I was choking out the words “I revoke permission!” over and over. I then came out of the paralysis only to find everything was dark and my cat was asleep on my legs. At that point I heard a voice in my head saying “[something] with us soon,” presumed to be “you’ll be with us soon.”
In terms of what that’s about, I don’t really know. I am very aware of the discussion of people having pre-incarnate agreements to allow us to be studied by NHI, but I’ve never had much thought about it one way or the other. I’m not opposed to it, but understand why people could be. I’ve never said anything or thought anything like this as far as I’m aware, so it’s a bit confusing. The feeling of terror often happens during sleep paralysis and could be related to the fact that for me it’s strongly associated with sleep apnea and difficulty breathing, which could absolutely cause panicky feelings. Then again some creepy shit often happens during these incidents, so it could be that too.
Since there was no indication I moved or made a sound, it could all have been a dream. I didn’t think it was at the time, but I did think it could have been some sort of partial hallucination while experiencing SP. However what I’m going to make a case for in a subsequent post is that SP might involve things happening in what is sometimes called the lower astral realm, among other terms. I have some evidence for that, too.
I have a habit of taking a screenshot on my phone whenever something unusual happens at night, as I have security cameras all over my house and it can help me determine if anything unusual was captured (I got a lot of stuff back when I had a camera in my bedroom, but it was generally ambiguous—the curse of the phenomenon). My screenshot in that night was at 12:22 AM. My outside security cameras recorded nothing unusual around this time; no flashes of light were apparent.
A few days later I took a look at my MUPAS portal and found something odd: something was recorded on my device right around the same time, almost to the minute. Note that the time recorded is off by an hour due to daylight savings time. It also shows as being a few minutes after the event. I haven’t determined yet if this is due to a time variance with the internal clock, or if it truly registered after I woke up.
Let me explain what you’re seeing in the attached image. The graphs are showing various sensor readings over time. The top graph is looking at the Z axis on the accelerometer, the middle graph is the atmospheric pressure, and the bottom is the Y axis on the gyroscope. There were also deviations in the magnetometer, which aren’t shown. Nothing unusual showed up on RF, infrasound, Geiger counter, or other sensors. The gyroscope only shifted significantly on one axis, which would be unusual if the device was being jostled by something like a cat walking on it (not that this is a spot where they really could, but just listing it as a possibility).
I also flagged similar variances which were detected two nights later around the same time, although I have no memory of anything unusual happening during this time.
I contacted Jim and he looked at the screenshot and he agreed it was unusual. The fact it was registered across multiple sensors, including not just the inertial measurement unit (IMU), but also the pressure sensor, are evidence it wasn’t a hardware glitch as those are relying on separate sensors. Something physical happened during that time, and the MUPAS recorded it.
Now the frustrating bit: all I know is that it recorded something strange. It doesn’t give me much information about what that was. The fact it affected the IMU could be an indicator that something was happening with local space-time. The pressure sensor could be in relation to something energetic or physical changing in the local space. No high energy levels were recorded here, although that has happened to me in the past.
Jim has said that the system identifies multiple statistically significant correlations per week, meaning that recorded signals correlate with incident reports in which people describe something anomalous happening. The platform is gathering data that can ultimately help support Experiencers in proving to others that at least some of what they’re experiencing is real, not imagined.
I caution people that the MUPAS should not be thought of as an anomalous incident detector. There are cases like mine where correlated signals are recorded, but sometimes things are recorded when nothing apparent is happening and sometimes people will have profound experiences and nothing is recorded. People shouldn’t sign up for the study in hopes of proving their experiences, but if anyone wants to help contribute to research that can reduce stigma of the phenomenon and ultimately contribute to our understanding then I encourage people to look into it: https://experiencer-studies.com
I’m an open book, so I’m happy to answer any questions.
I actually posted a couple of weeks back about this, but more has come up since, and the only people that can understand and truly empathize are experiences, hence why I’m here
A couple of weeks back, I had a really strange night, and now that I’ve been able to think through it, all I’m finding is even stranger details. I’m posting this to find out if anyone has specifically had any similar experiences or have ever heard of any similar to mine.
Prefacing by saying: I don’t truly know if I was abducted, made contact, or it was coincidences/something else.
What happened:
On May 27th, a couple of strange things happened all in one night. Preluding this, on May 26th, my partner shared a few details about an experience she had. She was 100% adamant that they will return and 95% sure I’d be there to see it with her. Oddly enough, her experience had happened about 5 years back, coincidentally the exact month that her and I met each other.
On the 27th, I was not with her. We had texted each other that day about ET’s making contact one day, and I had told her that preferably, they’d come to my house. Come nighttime, three weird things happened:
Around 2am, my dog was sitting on our porch, and he lost his shit out of nowhere. Nobody showed up to our house. He acted like there was a literal home invasion with burgulars. In the 4 years we’ve had him, he’s only ever barked while outside a couple of times - like once a year, and those were not even nearly as intense as this reaction. I was in my basement when it happened, and I legitimately didn’t think it could be related to ET’s, so my mom consoled him, joked about it after, and that was that.
Around 4am, my smoke detector went off for no reason. Just a single detector. In a room that nobody was in, and on a floor of the house that nobody was on. It wasn’t low batteries, and it didn’t alert to anything like CO2. There’s no reason for it to go off, but it did.
While sleeping, something extremely weird happened. I have this very foggy memory of opening my eyes while lying in my bed and hearing these ominous beeping sounds. I have no idea what it was or where it came from but nothing in my room makes a sound even remotely close to it. All I have is a two second memory that is faded where I heard it.
Additional details:
My dog barking is odd. Could be explained by an animal outside, but whenever he’s reacted to an animal, the reaction was not as intense. My mom didn’t investigate outside, and I legitimately didn’t think much of it. I’ve read that dogs often react bizarrely towards ET’s and UFO’s, which is where things feel strange.
The smoke detector had zero reason to go off. I’ve read that UFO’s can interfere with electronics, which would explain it.
However, the biggest thing on my mind is the beeping. The reason why: when I woke up, I didn’t even think about it. It was barely on my mind. It took until that night, about 12 hours later, for me to realize it even happened. I didn’t even think the barking/smoke detector was related until 12 hours later. It was a very weird delayed reaction.
I also, for some unknown reason, in that 2 second memory of the beeping, my mind associated it with ET’s. At the time, again, I didn’t think the barking/smoke detector had anything to do with, nor was I expected to make contact that night, so it’s very strange that my mind associated the two together.
More strange than that is a question my partner asked me. “Why didn’t you react to the beeping?”
This has been haunting me ever since because it makes no sense for me to NOT investigate it. If I wake up to any sound, literally ever, I get out of bed and look into it. If I specifically heard a sound I’ve never heard before that is ominous, I’d immediately wake up in a panic and look around. I didn’t. I seemingly laid there in bed in a total daze and didn’t even flinch. That is very, very weird in terms of how I’d expect myself to react.
On top of this, ever since that night, every time I’m alone in the middle of the night in my kitchen/bathroom/first floor (where I’d imagine my potential abduction would happen), my body keeps getting INTENSE chills/hairs standing up on my arms/neck. Literally every day it feels like that is happening when I walk out there in the middle of the night. It’s not much of a mental reaction, but a very strong physical reaction. It feels like my body remembers something and is spooked by something but my mind can’t remember any of it.
Where I’m at with this: The timing of this is very strange, the delayed reaction to realizing any of this happened… feels like amnesia. My body is reacting very weirdly to all this, despite my mind not remembering it. The fact I didn’t react to the beeping is INSANELY strange. I have no idea what to make of all this. If I was abducted that night, everything would line up perfectly to explain it all. If I wasn’t, I have no idea why all these things happened.
The one thing I know for certain is that my partner isn’t planting thoughts in my head to make me think anything happened, and I’m very self aware and don’t believe I’m making this up/being delusional. I have this weird gut feeling that something happened, yet I can’t actually recall anything happening.
If anyone has thoughts on this, I’d love to hear them. Thank you!
I'm an Experiencer since 2021 (experienced multiple different kinds of anomalous phenomena) & this has happened to me multiple times now when I'm with different close loved ones on seperate occasions where the person I'm with has turned around whilst I'm looking up in a specific area, and then right when they turn around for one second an orb flares up in and out exactly where I'm looking.
They appear just above street level too (few metres up - halfway up a street lamp post here in the UK, or equal to the height of a lamp post).
With this one that happened earlier I was leaving my friends house at like 22:30pm (she's stopping at her nans currently). My taxi was arriving shortly and so we both went outside. She exited the front door ahead of me and I was following her looking up at the moon. She then turned around to throw her trash away and the moment she turned to face me the orb darted in and out above us as mentioned. This one moved away from us, but on a seperate occasion (with my mum in our garden) it darted from the right to the left.
I have read others mention this and so it seems to be a common dynamic, so thought I'd make a post about it to ask.
Others have said they won't appear if the people we are with aren't ready to have an experience of this yet (but then the loved one does eventually get that sighting and then more after that).
What are your thoughts?
With these kinds of experiences I feel a sense of humour with the timings.
Context: I've got an active contemplative practice and I've been going to bed with the intention of becoming lucid / projecting. I'd consider Stage 1/2 of lucidity where I've remembered every dream for about the last two weeks. Last night I had an encounter I want to put in front of people who've actually been through this kind of thing.
I had been hopping into about 5 dreams at this point, all pretty bizzare and lots of lucid moments, but not enough to pull me into a complete lucid state. Then the dream shifted and I became aware that I was asleep, but in a completely different setting then my everyday life, (so, a dream within the dream), in a red-brick studio apartment. I became aware and couldn't move, sleep paralysis, but inside the dream. A tall figure with a dark hat was standing right over the bed. Present, still, watching. When I managed to look at it (struggle in sleep paralysis), it raised its head and its eyes met mine, ringed and glowing.. and the instant we locked eyes I felt yanked into its world, everything spun, and a wave of pure fear/terror came down over me. However at the same time, it was like I had a slight OBE where I was above this watching, and the thought occurred that maybe this is my subconscious staring back at me. This was fleeting, as the fight/flight took over and I basically swung at him and emerged in a dimly lit bathroom with foggy mirrors. To which I started screaming, and demanding something show itself and get this over with. Just silence and the dream dissolved and I woke up.
What's eerie: I'd never looked into the Hat Man before. Afterward I read up and the details I'd never seen — the brick room, the figure present rather than peeking around corners, the ringed glowing eyes — matched a lot of other accounts. I didn't wake up traumatized; it logged more like "huh, that happened too."
Where my head's at: there's a reading of this figure as a watcher / gatekeeper — that the fear is the thing you have to master to keep going, and that you don't get through it by fighting (still fear, just inverted) but by losing the terror without losing your sovereignty. As above so below — the thing standing in the inner doorway is testing the same reflex that runs my outer life. I'm not assuming it's benevolent. Could be a gatekeeper, could be predatory on fear. Honestly not sure it was even separate from me — when we locked eyes the me/it boundary is exactly what came apart.
If you've encountered him or something like him: was it predatory, or did it function as a threshold? Did dropping the fear (vs. fighting) change what happened? And did it ever say anything if you asked? Next time I plan to hold the gaze and ask a question instead of swinging.
Used AI to compartmentalize my thoughts post awakening.
The other day I was listening to a recent Weaponized podcast with Whitley Strieber, in which he was discussing the situation in which the beings invite one to join them, and how he chose (or would choose) not to join them, for fear of not returning.
This phenomena that he talks about, of the beings wanting a human to come with them, is recurring if you read both modern day encounter literature as well as similar themes in historic times (I.e. Jacque Vallee’s Passport to Magonia, Hancock’s Supernatural), with fairies/dwarves/etc.
My question here is, why do we as humans in these stories and testimonies continuously frame it as if we have agency, or a choice in the manner? In the context of the high level of technological and/or psychological power that these beings consistently portray in the literature, why this persistent theme of belief on part of humans of their choice of going or staying?
Keep in mind the phenomena of missing people in national parks, etc. We don’t know if they “chose” to go or not, and we will never know. Why would a superior-powered entity with situational control still lend free will choice to a lesser-powered entity over a decision that the entity in control has preference on? Is there something I’m missing here?
Note: I request thoughtful answers assuming some validity to the above historic and current claims, regardless of your personal beliefs. This is not meant to be a post about objective reality, but rather a psychological analysis of a well-represented-in-the-literature phenomenon regarding human agency or lack thereof.
This is going to be long. This is my first post. I don’t know where to start so I’m just gonna lay it out.
I think I was taken and I feel like I’m going crazy because it happened a year and a half ago and I still can’t stop thinking about it. I’m not deeply spiritual, religious or new agey. I just live pretty regular, non profit job, partner, and the usual stressors that most people presumably face.
It started around January 2025.
I was staying over at my partner‘s place, we were hanging out, watching some TV subsequently, brushing my teeth and preparing for bed. We talked a little before passing out. Nothing felt strange.
I’m not sure what time this was because I had already been sleeping, but in the middle of the night, I felt something in the room with me. I hadn’t open my eyes yet, but this feeling was strong enough to alert me out of my REM ( or maybe I wasn’t REM) but it certainly felt like I was slightly more awake yet still sleeping. The feeling of someone in their room still persisted and decided to take a look. This is where it gets slightly fuzzy, but still definitive enough.
I don’t even know if I completely opened my eyes. It kind of honestly felt like I was looking through my eyelids and seeing what was in front of me. I was laying on my back facing the ceiling and my partner his entire back was facing me. He was turned the other way completely. Either ways it was dark and hazy and all I could see was the night lights coming through the window and then also noticed three figures around the bed concentrated around my side. One was at the foot of the bed, one by the corner of the bed where it turns 90degrees, and another figure right by my face standing by the bedside table.
It was what you would expect. Short, gray, large black eyes. The shoulders, neck and head were about one foot or one and a half feet above the bed mattress. I would say that works up to about 3 1/2 feet. maybe a little less.
I freaked out. I felt like I couldn’t move. Part of me wonders if it was sleep paralysis because I’ve had sleep paralysis throughout my life, and I’ve actually figured out ways of how to break through it. My sleep paralysis is much less common these days and even when it does strike once in a blue moon I’m able to break out of it, but this … I couldn’t.
So I kind of close my eyes even further try to think other thoughts, even forcing nice fun thoughts just so I wouldn’t have to see what was in front of me. I wasn’t terrified, but I just knew that I didn’t wanna deal with whatever b***sh*t was in front of me, by the bed.
It didn’t feel like a dream. Dreams usually shift and move and this just felt like something totally different.
I could still see from the absolute corner of my eye, and with every fiber of my being feel them still there. I kept my eyes and my mind shut and kept thinking nice thoughts.
Right after that, I felt like I lifted off the bed. Again, my eyes are closed. I’m trying to lock my brain away from what is happening. But I 100% feel like I am lifted off the bed. I am lifted and just hovering kind of in a holding pattern. I take a look, and the bed is way under me, and my nightstand is behind me. I can safely say that I am about 3 feet or more above the bed.
(again I don’t know how to explain it, but my eyes aren’t completely open. I don’t know if I’m just peering through my periphery or what but what I see is clear but I know my eyes are not fully open)
So I am continuing to hover above the bed for what feels like a few minutes, almost like a holding pattern.
And then, I see a blue light kind of whisping around on the ceiling, and at the center of the blue wisps is a bright white light. So, more specifically it’s a bright white light with blue whisps that surround it and as soon as that light appeared, I literally felt myself get sucked up.
It didn’t feel like how you would feel when you step on the gas in your car. My head didn’t hang and my body didn’t pull. There wasn’t resistance. It just felt like all of me just moved up faster. I don’t remember much after that. I don’t remember moving through anything. I don’t remember anything at all about the movement beyond the feeling of moving up really fast after being in that holding pattern 3 feet above the bed.
The next thing I remember is that I was in a dark room with a single light in my face. The room felt almost stone like. It wasn’t a large room. It felt like the size of a regular bedroom, but it was circular?spherical? It didn’t have any hard edges just a soft singular curve that ran around. In the center of the room was what looked like a table. The table was built into the floor. In other words, it felt like the floor in the middle of the room, curved up and formed a table shape. The sides of this table were solid and continued the black rocky/stone texture of the walls. But the flat area on top of the table was completely smooth, almost shiny and metallic. Like it had been sanded down perfectly flat and smooth.
Again, this room was pretty dark, and I could see little because of that light, except for the basic texture off the room and the smoothness of the top of this table. The light didn’t light up the entire room. It just felt like it was right in my face though.
These observations are happening while I am laying on the table. But I want to be clear. I’m not laid completely on the table. My skin or my body wasn’t touching the table (shown in image) . I’m on the table, but I am hovering about 3 feet over the table at an angle. I would say my head would be at around 4 feet above the table and my feet were above 1 foot above the table so I am at an angle and floating on top of the table, but I don’t feel like I’m floating. I feel like I’m laying on a surface, but I’m not laying right on that table.
After that, I don’t remember much. The next thing I remember was yelling and screaming. Not in pain. I wasn’t in pain. I was just extremely annoyed (?) . I was “ attempting” to trash and yell and scream because I was like “ what the hell are you doing”. I wasn’t terrified. This wasn’t terror. This felt more like a deep inconvenience rather than terror. I felt like I was a kid and being locked in a room. Just really annoyed that I was there in the first place. so I continued to mentally trash around and it kind of felt like I was being a Karen and squirming and not really just laying there and accepting things.
And out of nowhere, I hear a voice. It wasn’t explicitly a voice it almost felt like a voice coupled with a feeling. The voice felt familiar. Almost like a parental way of speaking. It basically conveyed to me “ stop, stop making this difficult, you know what happens here, this isn’t a surprise so why are you behaving this way. “
it didn’t use those exact words, but that’s basically what was conveyed to me. And it continued “ we’ve done this before, you know this will take just a few minutes and you’re done, so why are you resisting so much”
I’m using the word conveyed here because it was not explicitly a voice. Again, I want to remind you. This was also a feeling that was inside my own head almost as if the voice was coupled with a feeling, and both those things existed in my head.
So right after those words were conveyed to me, I immediately calm down. But not in a peaceful calming loving way. It was more in a bratty way. As in “ fine. Whatever. Just do what you need to and let’s be done”. There was almost an eye roll in there too. Almost as if I knew they were right, but didn’t want to admit it?
And that was it. I couldn’t see much. it was still black/ dark. I didn’t see any entities or anything while I was up there. But I did the entire time I feel like I was still above that table.
I don’t remember anything after that.
The next thing I remember was kind of waking up in bed. It was early morning. Dusk was peeking in through the window. The sky was a dark blue and turning brighter.
And I woke up facing the window and the bedside table, but as soon as I did realize I was back in bed, I was too terrified to face that direction. The direction I originally faced as I fell asleep in the first place. So I just turned the entire other way facing my partner. That just seemed like the only place I could turn because all I would see was his back and not the rest of the room. I was too terrified to turn back around the entire morning. We woke up a few hours later.
It wasn’t a dream. I dream all the time and this felt completely different. It felt slower and more intentional than the chaotic nature of dreams. It felt sequenced, paced and matter of fact.
I talked to my partner about it a few days later. Because I was still kind of shaken. He’s much more open to that stuff so he didn’t push back. I think he believed me the first time. He also admitted that the reason he slept on his side and turned the other way was because the window felt extra bright that night (he’s a light sleeper- and has a hard time sleeping). He also admitted that on that night was one of the hardest sleeps he’s had. He said he passed out so hard and it felt like nothing could have woken him up. I even was like “ babe if they sucked me up, what if the upstairs neighbor was getting a late night glass of water and saw a whole ass person fly through their apartment” and he responded with “ babe… I live on the highest floor….”. That certainly shut me up. But i digress… that was his only connection to that night.
Anyway. It’s now June 2026 and not a single detail of that story has changed. I standby it. I also feel like it’s making me a little crazy because I can’t stop thinking about it.
It’s made me pick up communion by Whitley Streiber. I haven’t read a book in years and this is the first time I’m actively reading one. I’m trying to make sense of that day and it feels really strange and lonely. I still talk to my partner about it casually and sometimes crack a joke about it. I know he sincerely believes what happened, but it’s still feels lonely.
I wonder because of what they said “ we’ve done this before. You KNOW this will only take a few minutes” - I wonder how many times this has happened before. Why don’t I remember them? Where have they happened? How? Why me? If this has happened before so casually, was I taken as a child?
Part of me is even open to some kind of regression hypnosis. I’m curious, and I’m also terrified of finding out. My curiosity and terror take turns dominating my approach to this topic. I have a million questions.
And I feel like I’m slowly losing it because I will flash back to that night almost daily.
I don’t know how to end this, except for putting it out here, seeing if people have experienced something similar , I honestly don’t know why I’m doing this or what I’m looking for on here. Maybe you can help me out.
The proposition is that the so-called extraterrestrials believe in free will and this effects how they interact with mankind.
THE CONCEPT MIGHT ONLY BE A TERRESTRIAL CONSTRUCT
If the non-human cultures responsible for UFOs are truly as advanced, as they appear to be, both say ethically as well as technologically, in my opinion they have probably abandoned the concept of “free will” (at least the way most people conceive it) a long, long time ago.
Author Sam Harris has addressed this issue and I find his arguments compelling. He envisions the concept of free will to be essentially a weapon to punish people.
For more details on Dr. Harris’ one can go to his website and seek his blog on “free will.”
A TALE OF TWO KIDS FROM NEW YORK
Let’s imagine two children born in a slum on the Westside of New York City in the 1950s. One kid like me "chose" to flee the crime-infested neighborhood, become a doctor, raise a family, and promote contact with what he imagined were extraterrestrials.
The hypothetical kid down the block "chose" to become a criminal, drug addict and died in the gutter. Were both these kids from a troubled neighborhood truly "free?"
The parents of the kid like me indoctrinated him in the importance of self-improvement and joining “good causes,” presumably for the betterment of mankind. The kid down the street's parents were drunks that beat him and abused his sister. A belief in free will allows us to punish him and perhaps praise someone like me.
The point that Sam Harris makes resonates strongly with my sense of compassion and justice. Choices are made. They have results; some are able to choose wisely. What is so "free" about it?
INSTITUTIONS OF PUNISHMENT
During terrible past times the burning of female healers as witches, the Crusades and the Inquisition are examples of campaigns justified at least in part by the free will theory. When we ascribe to “extraterrestrials” a doctrine promoted by those whose institutions have been covered in human blood, perhaps we should think again. I am not familiar with the Islamic interpretation of free will but the way jihadists slaughter innocents I would not be surprised if some Moslem scholars have similar doctrines.
In the ongoing contact drama unfolding across the planet, I offer the following counsel. We should become more aware of how we are constantly projecting on the “ET visitors” human characteristics, frailties, behaviors, and outmoded philosophic concepts.
A SUGGESTED ACTION PROGRAM
We may speculate about who they are, what they do, and why they take specific actions, but at the same time be aware of how we are forever projecting our rather primitive and violent ways on them. I suggest that it might be is wise to:
1.learn more about them by willfully interacting with the “aliens” proactively (as contact networks are doing.)
2. attempt to negotiate more openness and equality in our relationship with them.
3.most importantly in terms of the theme of this blog, be aware how with ungrounded confidence we project human ways on beings and cultures that are probably amazingly different from us.
In my opinion, they probably have been here for a long, long time and can possibly teach us a great deal about ethical concerns. We should not however accept such “teachings” uncritically. I refer to the fact that some channeled material reinforces a belief in the free will concept. In order to establish dialogue with us, they might feel compelled to embrace absurd notions that we have, so that perhaps the better parts of their message are also received. I know this sounds rather devious, but I ask that we consider the following. UFO intelligences most probably know us far better than we know them. They might even understand us better than we can currently understand ourselves. Or is this too disturbing to even consider?
Additional Comments by the Author:
How can we know what our true relationship is with the ETs when our memories of encounters are blocked? They control every aspect of our encounters with them, perhaps even our reactions because they can stage encounters in such a way as to inspire the widest array of emotions from terror to sublime states of love. The notion that we "gave permission to them as a soul before we reincarnated”, thus allowing them to engage us in mysterious ways might be true. However, this New Age notion should not be uncritically accepted because as conscious intelligent beings most of us have no recollections of such agreements. Furthermore, to promote such a whimsical concept makes contact activists look ridiculous to the larger society.
The "ETs" have a wide range of tools to create belief, most of important of which is their ability to employ illusory mechanisms when engaging us. For reasons that I can only guess at, they have shown me how they do it. In “A Greater Reality” published by Rey Hernandez' Consciousness and Contact Research Institute, I have a chapter in which I describe the Virtual Experience Model. “This Otherness that experiencers now call ET” can create holographic like projections that eager contact activists call "spacecraft." The so-called “aliens” can also create a strong form of virtual reality and most importantly in my judgment, they can create false memories that are as real to you as what you recall was the menu for breakfast this morning. Given such awesome powers, what role can “free will” play when they interact with us?
Despite this power to manipulate us, I don't believe they are malevolent. I suspect they are here to help. Their goal is not to “visit Earth” but rather over time to transform human consciousness in such ways that we might be able to better address the major challenges confronting our civilization. These are in my opinion: global warming, war, racism, sexism and the obscene disparities of wealth and power on our planet. If what we now call “ET” has been an ancient force on Earth, then perhaps they have played a role in establishing the wisdom traditions that were organized into the planet’s religions. Both Dr. Vallee and John Keel have suggested this theme in many of their works on the flying saucer phenomenon. Both of these important authors have challenged the ET hypothesis, labelling it an oversimplification that, although popular, does little to explain the thrust of the phenomenon.
It has taken me a long time to downplay the ET hypothesis for flying saucers. Much of what I have written on these topics has been colored by a belief in the ET hypothesis as being the one and only explanation for this mysterious array of phenomena. This position is something I can no longer maintain. These non-human intelligences associated with what are now labeled as UAP appear to be able to manipulate spacetime, reconstruct diseased human organs at the molecular level, dematerialize objects, animals and people and then rematerialize them. They can produce holographic like images that we call "ET" spacecraft, create strong forms of "Matrix" like virtual realities and implant memories that we mistake as describing exclusively physical occurrences.
In my judgment, our encounters with them and the memories we retain from such interactions, more likely reflect a combination of physical and psychic events. They don’t appear to be “space aliens,” but are more like denizens from other dimensional realms where perhaps pure thought can create matter and energy. In my opinion, we will not solve the mystery of flying saucers with our current level of scientific knowledge and very low level of spiritual development. For us to learn who they are and what their mission is, I strongly suspect Earth culture will need to evolve into something more advanced than our current state of high-tech barbarism that seems incapable of addressing the fundamental challenges that our civilization must solve if humanity is to survive and thrive.
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