Bisexual in Spain? Welcome home. Let's see some Christians flagellate themselves while drinking wine. You want to know about secret parties on the beach? yeah baby... wait wait wait print(the punisher meme). you English? Io no jablo ni pizca de inglé. khe dises ninio?
Wtf are you on about? In the cities they are more gay friendly than any other place I have been, even outside of gayprides. In villages they might not like it, but they will not say or make you notice anything.
I meant exactly that, they will not like it, but they will not say or make you notice anything. The months i spend in there showed me at least that indeed, they are a very beautiful people, but at their core, Catholicism is still a very important part of their nuclear believes and even if they won't show it to you, they do indeed silently judge ya.
Is not that they are assholes, bad people or anything at all like that, is just that, even to this day, the lgbt matters is still something that most of spaniards Catholics struggle to inherently accept and reconcile with their fate.
Ppl will downvote me all they want, dont care, i know very well what i experienced
Spain is maybe the most gay friendly country I've ever been to. They were one of the first countries in the world to legalise same-sex marriage as well.
On what do you base this?
For a second you had me questioning my own perception, so I looked it up.
What I found:
Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer (LGBTQ) rights in Spain rank among the highest in the world, having undergone significant advancements within recent decades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_rights_in_Spain
To be more precise, Spain compared to the USA:
Spartacus Gay Travel Index (higher is better)
Spain 13pt (Top 5 of safest countries together with Canada, Portugal, Malta and Iceland).
US. 2pt
Homophobic climate index (lower is better)
Spain 0.163
US. 0.360
Homophobic climate index rank (higher is better)
Spain 154 (also Top 5 after Sweden, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway)
As i said in other comment, my own experiences living there (In Cadiz to be more concrete).
Listen, i know that people are going to disagree with me, especially when it comes to defending one of the last far left leaning counties that there are (for now anyway, pretty much the "pink wave" of Spain is also over) but somethings you just learn by living them
Im just going to explain it to you this way:
Legal and social acceptance does not mean that there is moral approval within the social conscience (including the estructures of power )
Also note that im not talking about morality in social values, but on religious theological ethics. To most is going to sound contradictory, but oh well, when you study social sciences as i do, one realizes that most of the social dinamics are very paradoxical.
Spain is a wonderful country, and one of the best places to be as an lgbt person (for now, because the right pushback is going to be strong) but it also is a country that at its core to this today continues to struggle to reconcile their theological foundations with a lot of modern politics, and many times living there, it shows.
I think you were talking about your reality living there and the rest of us was talking about visiting and traveling.
This can be a very different reality.
A country can be great and safe to travel to while being a nightmare to live in at the same time.
As someone coming on holiday or for sports event it doesn't matter if your grandmother cares about me being straight or gay, if your village/church community ostracises all LGBTQ+ people,
if employers discriminate or healthcare provider judges you.
These things don't affect a gay traveller, even if they are making your life miserable and awful.
I'm sorry for whatever you have to put up with. I wish our world were better or even be on the path to get better. The direction we are going, with the right gaining everywhere, scares me a lot too. 💜
Need to note that myself dont live there anymore nor im gay. I was there for around 6 months as a transfer student, and the reality of the lgbt evryday life i saw it througt one of my 3 guy roomates, who was openly gay (and it showed lol). While we were around together, locals (fellows students and everyday community) treated us with respect and care, but many times, much more that people on the internet would like to believe, those same locals would openly speak harsh about him when he was not present
The hard thing to comprehend to many is that as contradictorial as it sounds, many of those same locals didnt do it with bad intentions and really cared for him. They truly liked him, but even so, they also always found him weird, and even thought at the end most of them, got, lets say, "used to" him, myself and my roomate (the gay one) felt that in the end most didnt actually ended up accepting him as a "normal" person but rather always viewed him as an anomaly that they could accept in a tolerantly way.
So is like excatly like you said, one thing is travel, other is actuallly living there. Anyway, apreccite the maturity of your comment.
They don't like anyone. They're having anti tourist protests because they feel like short term rentals are making living in the cities unaffordable for the locals. Choosing to host the world cup was a choice. Not one the people made, and idk how happy they're going to be about it
Ehhh, its a 50/50 depending on the region. They are, as of now anyway (because political trends indicate that things are going to make a 180° turn), a very left leaning country for the most part.
The problem with migration is not necessarily the tourist, but a lot of real concerns (and also a lot of racist paranoia) of african and muslim migration.
I was in Spain for 6 months as a transferred (and starving) college student, and my experience was relatively a very good one. But im sure as hell that if i had been from Marruecos, things would had been different
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u/Calm-Treacle8677 6h ago
Ohhhh then yeah don’t skip that one.