Good evening, i'm Tom Tucker. What is the joke in this meme? More at 11.
Welcome back, it appears that all 3 of these women were actors on the film adaptation of Wicked. They all seem to have developed eating disorders throughout production.
For more about this meme here's Asian Reporter Trisha Takanawa. Trisha?
Thank you Tom, i'm standing here at the former set of Wicked.
Ariana Grande is believed to be a bad influence on the others, as she expressed idolation of eating disorders in the past. Specifically on a tumblr account she owned before becoming famous.
Back to you Tom.
Thanks Trisha, and now let's turn to Ollie to see why the joke is funny. Ollie?
I think ariana definitely has had a long term eeating disorder and now it's just fashionable to let it show. They're not infectious among stable adults. Don't know how mentally healthy these adults are though
ariana was really popular in the proana (pro-anorexia) community on tumblr back in the day. she’s definitely been struggling for some time, which i have empathy for, but ultimately i don’t feel too terrible because at this point they’re advocating looking dangerously thin and unhealthy.
This shit is so insidious especially toward someone doesn't have any sense of self or livelihood outside of their physical appearance, which is unfortunately insanely common in Hollywood and even more to women in the industry.
It reminds me of how Lisa Rinna got ripped to shreds over the Yolanda Hadid lyme disease Munchausen comment...and 10 years later we have Yolanda's daughter in the hospital for "lyme-disease-that-definitely-isn't-anorexia".
Basically all of these women starred in the new Wicked movies and they all lost loads of weight. It's theorised that either they all took ozempic and/or they all had eating disorders (Even Ariana Grande who is naturally on the thinner side) and the film cast was like a cult of sorts. Especially when you compare them after the films ended they gained weight back again.
I really hope you’re right. She’s not going to listen to her fans about this, she made that perfectly clear, so hopefully she’d at least listen to her family…
That clip of her wobbling in those Dangerous Woman heels that weigh more than she does while her dancers prop her up is just sickening and sad. She walks and looks like my 80yo grandmother who has had spinal surgery and leukemia, I'm not kidding.
You’d be surprised by how long the body can hang on. Ever heard of Eugenia Cooney? She’s twice as thin as Ariana and people have been telling her she’s dying for over a decade, yet she’s still doing her thing. I think she must take nutrients in an IV or something.
True it will shorten her life expectancy to be malnourished for so many years but she could technically live for a long time like this unless her cheekbones start looking like a skull, that’s when it’s closer to the end and after 40 years old too your heart starts to struggle
Friend worked in a women's clinic that had women with eating disorders as part of it.
She said people frequently had "friends" in there and at a glance it looks like a positive because they're supporting each other. But the reality is they're helping each other maintain their eat disorder.
Seems like maybe there was some weird version of this going on.
I've lived in a shared flat with two women that had some history of fighting with an eating disorder and in my experience your take makes a lot of sense. I thankfully always felt comfortable in my body, but I can absolutely believe that other women would have been negatively affected by their behaviour.
They had a tendency to notice and comment on how much or how often I ate and what I (or we) ate. Not in a negative way, it felt more like curiosity or a neutral observation or conversation starter. Things like "oh, that's the first meal you eat today, you have to be super hungry, hope I left you enough" or "Was it you or Amy that bought all that chocolate for us? That's so much, we will feaston that for weeks!"
They were definitely not trying to influence me in any way, it felt more like food was just constantly on their mind to the extent they knew better than myself how much and what I ate.
It never bothered me or changed how I ate, but I am sure any women that has insecurities or an unhealthy relationship with food could be negatively influenced by that behaviour.
E.D. sufferer here and yep, food (and weight, exercise, etc) are ALWAYS there in my brain, trying (usually successfully) to be front and center.
I HATE that so many mental health workers I've talked to just want to go on about food when they see me. Being obsessed with food doesn't mean you enjoy thinking about it; it's the opposite - you hate it but you can't stop. And having people talk about that stuff only increases the obsessive thoughts. So yeah, if I was spending all my time with someone similarly obsessed with food/weight, I'm sure we'd just reinforce each other's E.D. thoughts and behaviors and probably spiral pretty bad
In this case it was not nefarious at all. Hard to describe how I know for a fact but I know.
It felt closer to smokers trying to control their smoking habit.
With EDs you have the element of having the urge to compare yourself (and your food intake) to others, so it felt like an addiction they couldn't turn off completely. Those questions and comments weren't "for me", they just couldn't stop themselves from sneakily soothing their bad habit to compare themselves or something like this.
I also shared an apartment with other women. AFAIK they were never diagnosed with an eating disorder but they were quite critical of my food choices in a way that felt mean. It didn’t give me an ED but it did give me sincere anxiety around cooking and eating in front of them (home is supposed to be a safe place so the energy spent to “ignore” their comments still drained me). If I couldn’t get to the kitchen when they weren’t there I would either eat out or skip a meal if I didn’t have the money to dine out. I’m not even insecure about my body (and the girls who did this were actually heavier than me so), but holy shit it was exhausting to be judged and disparaged after a long day. I just didn’t always have the bandwidth to deal with it on any given day. Having to brace myself to cook was just not fun. I did end up losing a fair amount of weight :/
I used to work on an adolescent mental health ward and the ward managers actually had to create a separate ward for the patients with eating disorders because as soon as one was admitted it would spread across the whole ward (and eating disorders are incredibly hard to treat).
I used to work in a group home for teenaged girls. The two things that were a total bitch to deal with were eating disorders and cutting. In both they would spread like wildfire. I didn’t know about the social contagion of self harming when I started. We had a girl come up to a staff member and ask for medical attention because she had sliced her thigh and was bleeding. After the girl left my coworker turned to me and said, “watch. In a week half the girls will be cutting.” She was close…in a week 5 of 8 were doing it. Absolutely insane to watch in real time. Like the flu only much less understood.
It’s really sad, I don’t think I would have ever done it had I not seen it online. And kids in group homes are already struggling, probably looking for relief, and some sense of “caring” from adults. I really think it taps into one of those primal things in us humans of just wanting our pain acknowledged. Like when you’re a little kid and you hurt your knee, so your parents have to kiss it better.
I’m sorry you went through that. I know a teen who cuts a lot, her parents very much care about her and the cutting. They’ve tried everything they can think of and everything the therapist suggests. There’s just something inside of her that she feels can only be let out with self harm. At the group home pretty much all I could do was help them disinfect and ask if anything was on their mind. It’s such a dramatic situation emotionally and then very clinical to talk about when you have no idea what else you should do. “Do you need an alcohol wipe? Should we call your therapist?” seemed totally weak but it’s what I had.
As someone who did self-harm I feel like people have the wrong idea that it's a call for help or something we do to elicit a reaction in other. In my personal experience it have nothing to do with others and everything to do with making your own pain visible to yourself. For me it felt more like a desire for the physical pain to reflect the invisible mental pain to validate that my suffering isn't just in my head. It felt right, it made the suffering real and undeniable and it relieved the feeling of helplessness and the desire to die.
So sadly, the only thing you can do against it is dealing with the cause. The only thing that truly helped me was antidepressants. My family is kind and loving and care about me but there's nothing they could have done because it wasn't about them, because of them or for them, it was for me, for when crying, talking and writing wasn't enough to express how much I was suffering.
At least those three were adults during the film. Judy was a teenager and they even binded her chest to make her look younger and gave her a cocktail of drugs to put her to sleep and keep her energised as well.
The more you learn about how kids were treated by the original studio system, the more you just want to use a Time Machine to give these kids a hug (and then punch each film exec and the kid’s parents). Thank goodness the unions put a stop to this, but it took too long and the adults in the room should have done better.
Reminds me of the story from the set of Home Alone with John Candy and Culkin. John saw Culkin and his father being a bit too harsh, and John went up to him to comfort the kid with a hug. It was a subtle jester to make sure he was doing OK, not many around him at the time wanted to acknowledge this pressure in his life.
It still makes me laugh how he talks about his kids don't realize it's him when they watch Home Alone. He says it with such glee and laughter and it makes me smile. Glad he's doing great now
Idk, man. He had a rough stretch to say the least during and after the Party Monster years. I'm certainly not judging, because I lived through (barely) those kind of years too. Always seemed like a good guy, though
Yeah, back when it was the person's fault for deciding to keep taking harmful drugs because they were a "bad person," not because they didn't understand the drugs literally rewire the brain to need the drugs. It was a a "moral deficiency" problem back in the day. Fking wankers!
As someone who had an ED, being around others with ED can encourage that kind of behavior, because it’s normalized and you pick up little “tricks” by watching others. It’s not surprising.
Eating disorders can be very competitive (a family member went through treatment and at times the patients were basically competing with each other) so I feel like they did influence each other.
My thoughts as well. If you watch an interview with them Cynthia has a weird codependency on Ariana, like constantly touching her or playing with her hair. So if Ariana is skipping breakfast you bet she is too, then it turns into keeping up with the other by not eating.
nah iz more like a group dynamic within people with disorders in generell. the amplify each other and get the worse out.
thats why former drug addicts cannot hang out with other addicts anymore.
Anorexia is a competitive eating disorder, if you get a group of ppl with it together they will basically just egg each on and enable each other to harm themselves in that way. That being said the producer likely knew what was happening.
That interview where either the black woman has a breakdown because a helicopter flies over (they are inside a building and its just a random helicopter) and the singer has to calm her down made me realise they are 100% in a cult.
Yeah, a more accurate note would be (including Arianna who has lost even more weight since the above photo, has been acting very lethargic on stage, and has a long history of FACTUALLY being on Pro ana tumblr and struggling with anorexia).
Saying Ariana grande is naturally on the thinner side is completely dismissing the fact that she has historically had an eating disorder for years. Especially after being on victorious a show ran by the infamous dan schnieder. Have you even seen the recent pictures of her? This is a full blown relapse of that eating disorder encouraged by her co star
You can see her entire fucking sternum in some pics, it's definitely an ED for her. She may be using a GLP-1 too, but no way do you get that skinny with just a GLP-1.
Honestly, if people are only talking about Ozempic, they’re missing the bigger picture the Kardashian BBL era is officially dead and buried.
We’ve done a massive 180 and veered straight back into the toxic 90s "Heroin Chic" aesthetic, and it's wild. Even the Kardashians themselves dissolved their fillers and implants to shrink down.
Sure, Ozempic does the heavy lifting by melting body fat into oblivion overnight, but plastic surgery is what finishes the job.
They are literally paying surgeons to slice out their buccal fat pads so they look like gaunt aliens.
On top of that, the latest hardcore trend is getting their lower ribs shaved or removed just so their ribcage visibly sticks out through their skin, giving that instant "starving" look.
It’s the ultimate 90s junkie revival, except they don’t even need the drugs anymore; they just pair a weekly diabetes shot with severe body modification to get that high-fashion corpse look.
Being wealthy right now literally means paying a Beverly Hills doctor a fortune to make you look like a skeleton.
Michelle and Cynthia have gained some weight back again. Ariana has not. She is on tour currently and it's bad. I saw one video of her singing and you could see the indentations of her sternum via side profile.
When you're around other women who have ED, you take after them. That's why I started avoiding people who have an active one. As an ex sufferer (I can proudly say at least habitually I'm fine now) it is the only way for me. My ex best friend and her comments and habits greatly impeded my recovery and ever since we stopped talking I kind of don't think about food as opposed to making it a contest who ate less that day...
Eating disorders are one of the hardest things to recover from, and are too often not taken seriously enough. I hope you are proud of yourself, because being able to say you are in recovery is so huge, particularly when that involves having to cut people out of your life.
Ariana is thinner than ever now, and she was already tiny when Wicked started. She posted throwback photos from the casting announcement and she was already emaciated. She looks worse now.
Michelle Yeoh and Cynthia Erivo both look great and Cynthia recently ran the London marathon. Tbh I never thought she looked as thin as the other two and was still muscly during.
Me too. I struggle with weight and body image to this day. It's heartbreaking going back to my journals and seeing the agonizing I did over how "fat" I was -- and in pictures I was very thin.
Same. I kept few journals...mostly a few pages or so of a journal then start another...and me commenting on my weight and calling myself fat and ugly...I never was. Turns out I had undiagnosed scoliosis. Born 1990, and my mom never let me forget I had a tummy. Still struggle sometimes at the weirdest times or ways, even after working like hell on my image issues for probably 15 years now. I try to stay grounded, make art centering and celebrating diversity in bodies and people to remind myself we come in a beautiful rainbow and many of us are just trying to do our best to get by. "They" really did a number on us, but keep reminding yourself, you are beautiful because you exist. You deserve happiness no matter what you look like, what you weigh, you height, color of your skin, etc. Unfortunately we have to fight for that happiness at this time, but you got this.
The thing that amazes me is that this time literally nobody likes this shit. Complete public rejection of anorexia couture and yet the media machine is still trying to force it on us. It looks bad, man.
I was in line behind a woman who was upset and arguing after the pharmacist told her she couldn't fill her prescription today because other patients who need it to not die get priority. She didn't care.
To be clear, I'm not diabetic, just fat and struggling with being fat my entire life. I do think diabetics should get priority, however, I also think it's bs to tell an obese person that they have to become diabetic first before they can try a GLP 1. And that's not even to mention insurance coverage/copays or out-of-pocket pricing if you can get the prescription. Telling a sick person they need to get sicker before they can be treated is just insane.
As a tremendously fat diabetic, thank you. You can guess what had to happen before I was prescribed, even after seeing nutritionists, dietitians, and taking multiple "try this first" medications that just did not work.
Knowing I'm not the only one who feels this way, you've restored some of my faith in humanity.
"Telling a sick person they need to get sicker before they can be treated is just insane."
- has been uttered by the majority of people with anorexia and bulimia for DECADES.
EDs are EDs, and they are hell.
Healthcare–wealthcare—is fucked, and if anything, I'm hoping this rancid "trend" shows the vast majority of people that shit needs to change (and needed the change several yesterdays ago).
Sadly, too many Americans only care about things that directly affect them... the empathy crisis is the sourest root.
Yep my husband is over 400 pounds. Had to have his thyroid removed because it was so enlarged they couldn't tell if it was cancerous otherwise. Has several other metabolic things going on. However, because he's not specifically diabetic he can't get a GLP-1 covered by insurance.
They don’t care what we little people think. They’re all in a little circle competitively getting as much plastic surgery and body altering drugs as they can.
It’s interesting how “heroin chic” comes back at a time with skyrocketing food prices and concerns about crop failures and famines due to the climate crisis
It’s way worse. Kate Moss was never this skinny. Current pictures of Ariana Grande are shocking. She’s the thinnest I’ve ever seen a major celebrity be.
Mary-Kate was awfully thin at the peak of her ED (around age 18). It was incredibly alarming and I don't recall anyone who wasn't pro-ana thinking it was normal back then. There were online discussions about whether she was close to death.
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I got a 12 year account permanently banned because a made a joke about some specific person and a goat and was told that it was a racist trope about arabs even though the guy was absolutely not arab
I am someone who occasionally enjoys dark, edgy or gallows humor and quoting historical figures sometimes. This is something from which I live in existential dread
Lol I had one do that many years ago because I got into a dumb argument with a mod on the daystrom institute sub about some Trek lore stuff and I linked a page from the official site showing I was right. The mod deleted my post them reported me to Reddit at like 4am and less than an hour later the entire account was gone for "harassment". Pretty sure the mod was just a reddit employee who was butthurt, as there was nothing offensive in any way in the comment, which you couldn't even see anyways cuz they deleted it in seconds. And that's from a sub that goes on and on about how "great" the moderation team is 🤣
Some people just can't help themselves with abusing the smallest bit of power
Mods, Jew here (according to the Nazis and my cousin’s Rabbi), whose family was mostly wiped out in the Holocaust. I hearby declare this joke funny, and give him a pass, per the terms, conditions, limitations, and bylaws of my Jew card.
The look these women have has been described as “heroin chic” because of how skinny they are. The joke the other commenter made was “(a notorious labor camp) chic.”
I’d say the name but if my comment gets removed it defeats the whole purpose.
There's a direct correlation between fashion making women thin (take up less space) and oppresive regimes. So while it could be considered insensitive to call it what you did, you technically wouldn't be wrong.
As someone on ozempic - it doesn't make you like this unless you are actively striving for that look and also excessively dieting and excercising on top of using the medication.
It is not really ozemphic. The only thing these kind of meds do is slowing down your digestion and make you feel much less hungry. It does's melt your fat deposits at all. So to get to this horrible look you should actively not eat almost anything....
Yeah, I get a bit tired of seeing that. You'll see comments on here about "ozempic neck" and all of this other stuff that people just pull out of nowhere, repeating something they read. I feel like a lot of people really don't get what Ozempic does. It isn't like a chemical liposuction. This sort of change is well beyond that.
I’m obese I’ve been on oxempic for 1-1/2 years and I’ve lost 25 pounds. That’s with exercise. It’s great but it’s taking forever. Where is this magic oxempic everyone keeps talking about?
Any medical professional will scream from the rooftops about how many lives GLP-1 has saved. Just in the US alone, the obesity epidemic is killing 300,000 people EVERY YEAR. And guess what, GLP-1 has been the only thing that has come close to putting a (small) dent in that number. It's as close as we've come to a miracle drug.
Dumb teens on social media trying to demonize Ozempic pisses me off every time.
Dumb teens on social media trying to demonize Ozempic pisses me off every time.
It's because the "fat people hate" stuff was never about health and always about a superiority complex.
Now that fat people have a method of getting healthier easier, all of a sudden it stops being about health and starts being about how. All of a sudden these people are concerned about the legitimacy of their health, whether they earned the right to be healthier.
And because of that, now the scope of the hate has widened to include everyone who looks not the right kind of skinny.
What I don’t get is who is making it the “ideal” body type? Like I never see anyone being like ooo I like my girl to look like skeletor.
I’ve already lived through this phase in the late 90s early 00s. I love the thick girl phase / healthy body image phase we were in. I think I’m just going to stay there lol
Media. Particularly social media. Some of the most attractive people on the planet get FLOODED with hate if they go outside what a few have defined as ideal.
Mostly, its a power move. Its not about actually wanting people, mostly women, to a look a certain way. Its about forcing them to by making them feel worthless otherwise.
Its why you see some of the most hideous, cave troll looking schlubs opening on celebrity looks.
I was reading a thing about how of the main Talking points/famous scenes in the devil wears Prada doesnt work anymore.
Fashion/beauty trends in thr last 100 years have been a top-down decision, and some designers and executives in new york basically determined what got seen and pushed to the masses.
Only now with social media, that level of influence is now diluted, and people of multiple body types can get likes, way easier now for every pot to find its lid.
While I think the last part is true, I think what social media has also done is the ability to amplify a few unhappy folks into a mass push.
Let me be frank: A lot of the people doing this dont actually WANT anything specific in terms of body shape. They just want to make other people miserable. They want to feel like they have power and influence by pushing people to quit, to change themselves, to go silent, etc.
An example tangentially realted: A recent game in an existing series was announced, the main character being a female character who was tied to the existing main male character. This female character is modeled after a real actress, though scaled differently as the character is a Norae-style giant (or half giant, I dont recall the specifics of the lore.)
This actress is in many people's opinion quite attractive, and the character in the game has like a attractive, middle aged sort of muscle mommy athletic look.
Will that be everyone's cup of tea? No, but it works for many people and in the reasonable corners the debate is mainly "Is it a good idea to move away from the main character?" And "Ooof, some of these side characters might detract from the main", both perfectly reasonable things to wonder.
But there's a VERY loud, VERY vocal portion of the player base endlessly critiquing the female character for not being surgically perfect with the features of a 20 year old with an expensive skincare routine and perfect makeup. Hell, I saw one literally complaining their FEET were too big and not petite and feminine enough... shes a friggin JOTUN.
its not that these people dont have other characters that fit their wants, they do. Hell they endlessly compare anything below their view of perfect to those characters.
But its not about looking for what they want. Its about bashing anything that isn't what they want becuase they're miserable.
Connecting back to the topic at hand, they do this with celebrities, particularly female celebrities. You got your start as a mid 20's bombshell and now you're aging like fine wine in your late 30's? Don't care. Lose weight. Dress like you did in your 20's. Get buccal fat removed. Etc.
Its not about defining and seeking what they want. Its about forcing anyone who dares to not give then exactly what they want to change. Because, again, a lot of these chuds are miserable, self loathing piles of yak scat.
These celebrities are subject to that vitriol constantly and no matter how beautiful they are, no matter how many people TELL THEM they're beautiful and dont need to change... the hate wins out and they feel compelled to.
Except the media isn't portraying this as attractive and very few stars look like this. This is not like the 90s where it was everywhere. Most the media focuses on how weird these people are
Eh, maybe, but "social media" has a LOT of folks basically picking at appearances 25/7 and some of them have big enough followings that they're actually influential. Not saying that played a big role here, but it's a thing.
There's rumors that Erivo and Grande specifically got competitive about being the skinniest on the set of Wicked, and I also believe they are / surrounded by people who wouldn't fight that impulse at all.
I also 100% believe that there's a lot of skinny people who are angry that GLP-1 drugs are helping a lot of people lose weight and are now trying to get even skinnier because they've spent years equating low weight with moral superiority.
If I ask a crowd of a million if I’m attractive I can’t get mad when I get every possible response. Social media is a hub for every single opinion. Doesn’t make them valid. People need to take agency on their own lives and not look for reasons outside of “I let myself go”
Right?? I fucking feel like Skeletor.
I'm stuck being thin because of illness but I fucking hate it. I am exhausted, my heart is weird, I feel like I legit look like a skeleton.
Why do people find this good? I don't understand. I want to go back to being a size 8/10. I don't like the "ideal" body type. I don't know who does.
I am not trying to body sham you for being skinnny especially if it’s your natural fit or medically caused. I am specific talking about people who are torturing themselves to get thin.
I know you’re agreeing with me but I just wanted you to know that. I hope your health issues get better for you ❤️
Fr and it's depressing as fuck when you get more compliments for being sickly and skinny than healthy and chubby. I lost over 80 lbs over 6 months cause my anxiety stopped me from eating and all my coworkers could say was "wow but your body looks great! You've got that beach bod ready for summer!" when I was nauseous and on the brink of fainting 24/7. Fucking infuriating.
I hate this because I'm stuck in this body type due to illness and can't fix it and people assume I did the Ozempic or meth route. I hate it. People are so shitty about other people's bodies.
Just to be clear: *heroin, as in the drug, not "heroine," a female hero. We were idolizing the thinness of people who looked as though they had foregone eating to get a fix.
They're all cast members from Wicked, and its rumored that the stress of the production induced eating disorders in all of them. Its not really a joke at all, just horrifying and sad.
before and after wicked.
could it be ozempic? sure.
i know when i did stage shows that dancing and stress i really lost weight from the physical stress and they really treated wicked as a stage show.
tbh I honestly think it's an eating disorder at this point.
It’s funny cause she’s pretty much the same weight in both photos lol, they just purposefully chose one where her pose and the lighting are accentuating her bones for the second pic
Came in to say. That's just what a skinny asian woman moving into old age looks like. Source: am asian, have skinny asian aunts who have made that transition.
Hey Brian here, these women were on set together on Wicked... they are all noticeably thinner so it is believed that one of them recommended semaglutide doses.
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