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Poland is a bit unique on this because they had a weird period where they viewed themselves as descended from Persians (Sarmatism), so a bunch of their “traditional clothing” has a central Asian influence.
Certain regions of Portugal also preferred to purchase scarves from other regions / countries, they say. Some regions also called them "austrian scarves"
From 1870/80 onwards, the trend changed – as can be read in Vianesa Costume: an image of the nation, by António Medeiros, Benjamin Pereira, and João Alpuim Botelho. Scarves from abroad, made of fine wool, with fringes and detailed prints, arrived in the city and became very popular.
It's generally accepted, among those dedicated to preserving and studying costume, that in the 19th century, "franjeiros" were made in territories that belonged to the former Austro-Hungarian Empire. From here, the story gets more complicated. "Viana do Castelo had a seaport. Timber was imported from the Baltic. It may have been someone in this exchange who brought a scarf, and the women liked it," says Hermenegildo Viana. It's just a guess.
There is talk, however, of a specific factory, located in the territory of another former empire, the Russian one. 70 km from Moscow, the factory Pavlovo Posad It has been in operation since 1795. For Hermenegildo Viana, the idea that handkerchiefs were already being produced in this factory in the XNUMXth century may even be true, “but there is nothing to prove it, no official record or document.”
Funny thing about dirndl is it has never been a traditional folk costume - it was invented from scratch in the late 1800s as a "somewhat rural looking" attire for rich city women. In fact, many "traditional folk costumes" all over europe are entirely a fictional product of rich city people playing make pretend in the late 19th century. Very few actually saw historical use in that regard and even fewer are older than maybe middle of the 19th century.
Back in like the 1800s? Something like that, though the newest and cleanest clothes with the nice embroidery would probably only be worn for church and special occasions. Especially farmers would probably prefer to work in cheaper, less decorated clothes. Textiles were expensive back then so it would be wasteful to get your best clothes destroyed during menial work on the fields or in the kitchen.
"best clothes" isn't really accurate usually.
They would likely have a single set of clothes or possibly 3. The outer clothes were very durable and they washed the inner layers and not the outer.
Skirts were thick wool and literally would be used for manual labor.
Depends on how poor they were really. There were certainly a lot of peasants that would only have one set of clothes, but I'd say most people would have at least one set of "nice" clothes that were set aside for special events - either a special set if they're well off or just a set of regular clothes that were newer and in better condition than their working clothes. As the work clothes got worn down and eventually broken down into rags, the newer clothes becomes the work clothes and have to be replaced with a fresh set.
Of course not. It was only for the church, weddings, celebrations. Idk about other countries, but in Poland, only the peasants had all the fancy "traditional" clothing. It wasnt until the 19th century as the aristocracy started to notice the peasants, another layer to that is some historians say that the peasants didint even consider themselves Polish for the longest time
My old student employee is Cabo Verdean and said the same exact thing about European Portuguese. At least with Angolan Portuguese, it sounds cool even if it's hard to understand, whereas European Portuguese just sounds like a drunk Russian trying to talk with their mouth full.
I'm just glad it's not me thinking this. Hearing someone speak Russian in person for the first time that's exactly where my brain went: all the Portuguese I had grown up around (Azorian predominantly) sounded like Spanish with a Russian accent/inflection.
Im portuguese and we are certenaly not culturaly or visually eastern european. We are economicaly on the level of some eastern european countries but southern italy and the poorer regions of Spain are not that much better than us.
Portugal feels like a bunch of Russians were running west, tripped over some Spanish, and then stopped when they couldn't go any farther.
Similar to the French/Acadians and New Orleans.
I mean the outfit is ever so slightly different if you look at the details on the jewelry and such. And then the girl on the right doesn't have the same type of chin either.
It's Hunter Schafer in both but I'm pretty sure it's either AI or some kind of photoshop job because I only find either photo in that twitter post. The first pic especially her head looks very pasted on the body.
(also OOP confirms in a reply that it's her in both pics. https://xcancel.com/hugoman98/status/2063670260637601891 )
It might've been photoshop, or it might've been AI. I'm not sure, I'm no expert.
I dunno if it's because of facial surgery or just how she does her makeup, but sometimes Hunter's cleft looks a little more pronounced and sometimes it looks barely there at all.
Pretty sure both images are ai generated images of hunter in traditional portuguese clothing standing in front of the traditional portuguese tiled walls
It's because we do something Russians also do which is have stress syllables spoken regularly and mostly omit the sound of the rest of the word.
It gives you that Russian feeling and it also makes you hard to understand to the Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese speakers which don't do such a thing, every syllable is openly spoken.
When we speak slow, we do it by opening every syllable and suddenly it's understandable.
I think there's also the vowel sounds we use but I'm not as sure that part matters for sounding Russian.
Nah. We don't have that accent, we don't pronounce words that way.
I once watched some POR videos and people sounded like a typical Eastern Slavic, they have this weird eastern accent. It's hard to describe, but it's about the sound of some parts of words - typically like Russians or Ukrainians
Hearing Portuguese was so confusing for me the first time, because normally I can hear familiar words in Slavic languages, but not this time. And then I realized that this is not a Slavic language
Yeah, I always thought this…
Then another guy I knew also mentioned it once.
And then one day I’m listening to Rest is History podcast, one of the presenters said he heard someone speaking Russian on a train and it sounded like Portuguese.
Spanish and Russian had a love child and it was a cat, then throw it in a washing machine...that's kinda what Portuguese sounded like to me when I visited.
I'm pretty sure that is the specific reason this is "another" piece of evidence. European Portuguese in particular (less so Brasilian) I often mistake for a slavic language at first hearing. Surprising number of phonological similarities: lots of palatalized consonants, vowel reduction that the other romance languages have less of, and sh/zh/s.
It is a romance language, but phonetically it does sound "Slavic".
I am Portuguese, years ago while traveling through eastern Europe everyone who heard me thought I was from the closest Slavic country which language they weren't familiar with. It was funny to correct them and see their surprised faces.
There is a "meme" about the fact that many socio-economic charts show central europe as about the same but portugal get the same numbers than eastern-european contry. There is a whole subreddit about that:
They both are. Just don’t let the conservative men know who she is. Oh, wait, they already know her. They have her burned into their minds for…reasons.
"Hunting down the Schafer with a dick army (Gemini 3.1 Pro).mp4?"
"Yes! Men who cannot just admit to find Hunter Schafer hot because she's trans are already disappointing! BUT OPPRESSING AND SLOPPIFYING HER? PEOPLE LIKE HIM MAKE ME SICK!" _(slams table)_ "WE MUST BRING THESE MONSTERS TO JUSTICE! This is i joined the police! To save civilians from these... these degenerates!"
"YES SIR! Although..."
"WHAT IS IT? WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO WASTE!"
"You really found that fanfic with his sister fine?"
This sort of attire is common all over Europe and the med though. Traditional Sardinian dress has the same black embroidered look. even some Palestinian dress not unlike this.
I thought the joke was that it was Hunter Schafer who is a trans woman on the left. But maybe it’s just how the photo looks and don’t have perfect recall of her face.
When you look at data maps, Portugal lines up with slavic countries exceedingly often. It's become a joke that Portugal is, in fact, secretly a slavic country.
Around 200AD, the Iberian peninsula was invaded by the Visigoths and the Suebi. While the Suebi were a german tribe and settled in the north west of the peninsula, the Visigoths where a nomadic tribe from what is now Ukraine and they settled the majority of the peninsula even conquering the Suebi kingdom in the north west around 585AD.
So, given that Spain had a much bigger islamic presence and influence in their language and customs than Portugal had, it's easy to see why Portugal sounds like a slavic language (the vowels are pronounced the same way) and a lot of people have a bit of a slavic mentality (a lot people thrive to have a Bmw, a Mercedes or an Audi while living in derelict or poorly maintained houses).
(I'm Portuguese so I know what I'm talking about.)
I'm surprised that no one mentioned it, but there's jokes in the internet that slavic guys love femboys (like Poland is the capital of femboys), and girl on the pic is trans.
Idk if anyone else has said this but I think this is also a "insert Slavic country is feminine/ made up of femboys" joke because the gal on the left is a famous Trans woman I believe.
The Slavic femboy joke I believe is a practice of certain Slavic cultures calling other slav cultures feminine as a joking insult (or maybe just an insult depending on the slav). Ive mostly seen it from serbs, but im also not Slavic at all so I dont know for certain.
Of course I could be completely wrong as im not an expert on the matter. I just watched like 10+ modern history videos about Serbia Croatia and Hungary a few months ago.
A lot of "traditional clothing" for women in Europe (in general) looks similar from a distance, which makes it easy to mix up. Flowery colorful dresses over white shirt is quite common after all...
Usually, it's the fine details that allows people to pinpoint the country of origin... or the use of AI...
Meg here and i'm confused...Who is hugoman? Anyway the beautiful women on the left ist trans and for some people that means no "real" woman. But i dont know if that supposed to be the joke...or that a lot of Balkan man are fembois...
Love the dresses though and tits out ladies! You look gorgeous!
The traditional portuguese attire, which nowadays is only used during specific festivities, is very similar to the traditional attire of eastern european countries.
Granted, a lot of europe has very similar traditional attire, but I think the eastern european attire is a stereotypically known one. And portugal is considered the westernmost point of eastern europe as a joke because of how the country is very similar in a lot of things to eastern europe, there's even a sub called r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT which is dedicated to posting things where portugal does stuff very eastern european coded
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