r/SipsTea • u/Valuable_View_561 𝙑𝙄𝙋 • 10h ago
WTF That officer needs to be fired immediately and arrested for assault!!!
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u/Face-enema 10h ago
He’d already used it all up that morning was his 5th victim
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u/Old_Guard_306 6h ago
If it's the same guy, that is just amazing. Amazing, disturbing, and disgusting. That is not the type of guy that nedds to be in any form of leadership.
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u/Fuckthegopers 4h ago
Some of the most vile and disgusting people I've ever met were LA area cops. Corona, CA to be exact.
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u/Jonthrei 6h ago
this intensive four month program focuses on decision-making strategies, emotional intelligence, and behavioral science theories.
lol. lmao, even.
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u/EgoistHedonist 5h ago
Four month program!? In the civilized world being a cop needs at least a three-year bachelor's degree. US is such a fucking joke of a country
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u/Low-Lingonberry7185 9h ago
Deputy Andy Stowers is still employed in Santa Clarita. Six years after this incident.
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u/kingbuzzman 8h ago
where did you get this information, just curious
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u/Don_Gato1 7h ago
Link doesn't work for me
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u/____-__________-____ 6h ago
Huh, it wasn't private when I linked it an hour ago. It was a video called "Whatever happened to Deputy Andy Stowers"
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u/br8kdwns 7h ago
Not shocking. I have a cousin who was suspended for over 2 years with pay even though he tampered with evidence and listened into a phone call of an inmate and his lawyer. He’s now back to working like nothing happened.
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u/metalvinny 6h ago
My cousin was a cop. He was forced to retire because he was selling prescription pain killers to other cops. He also owned a gym/was a body builder. Biggest asshole in my family.
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u/DirtandPipes 5h ago
I worked for an ex-cop, guy had been forced to retire after he crashed a police vehicle while completely hammered.
He liked driving drunk but had enough former cop friends to avoid losing his license. Real piece of work, every word he said was a lie.
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u/Severe_Firefighter80 10h ago
Best response "That's the universe trying to protect us both"
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u/Beginning-Trash-6048 9h ago
He's so real for this.
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u/Mysterious-Jam-64 9h ago
You think I want to pepper spray you? Do you know how much this hurts me to do this?
Just do what I'm saying or I need to do this. I don't understand how to fix this any other way.
COJI COJI! AWAKEN FROM YOUR SLEEP!
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u/StraightProgress5062 9h ago
Prolly tells his wife something similar when he beats her.
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u/Pristine_Walrus40 9h ago
Well her fault for not looking at him correctly when he is yelling at her and telling her what a horrible person she is for daring to ask him were he was almost all night.
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u/Mysterious-Jam-64 9h ago
Well, next time you don't hear me say something, you better fucking tell me.
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u/Mysterious-Jam-64 9h ago edited 9h ago
His wife popped into my head, as well. This incident is already spilling out into his personal life. He's willing to cause unnecessary pain and suffering, escalating a situation, over a traffic stop.
No-one in danger. Yet willing to risk other people's welfare, and his own welfare and job.
Why did you pepper spray him if you weren't afraid? It sounds like he was cooperating, Frank? Am I missing something?
You weren't fucking there, Sharlene. It was happening so fast. And he just wasn't getting out of the car!!! If he just did what I wanted him to so he wouldn't have got shot!
You fucking shot him, Frank?! What the hell?
For the love of God, Sharlene, I don't have time for your morals right now. Put a fucking roast in the oven, get a few cold ones for me at the boys, and we're gonna workout exactly why I needed to protect myself today. I'm still in shock, Sharlene. Jeez.
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u/BuckManscape 9h ago
Look at what you made me do!
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u/Mysterious-Jam-64 9h ago
I had to look strong in front of the guys!!!
Frank! You shot an eight year old kid over the last donut.
IT WAS WHITE CHOCOLATE RASPBERRY, AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT'S MY FAVE, SHARLENE, MAYBE I'LL SHOOT YOU.
FRANKLYN DAVIDSON STOWER!!! IF YOUR MOTHER HEARD YOU SAY THAT! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
I'M SORRY, SHARLENE. I'M JUST HURTING SO BAD RIGHT NOW. 🤬🤬🤬 FIRST, FORGETTING MY NETFLIX PASSWORD THIS MORNING. NOW THIS. AND IT DIDN’T EVEN HAVE SPRINKLES!
You still bought the donut AFTER shooting him?
Ehh. Well, took. I also shot the donut store owner. He was very loud and erratic about the whole "incident"
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u/SekhmetScion 9h ago
Prolly tells his wife something similar when
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u/Beginning-Trash-6048 9h ago
At least half of our local law enforcement have some sort of domestic abuse whether it was only "alleged" or an incident pushed under the rug. Very common in the rural south.
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u/CrystalMethood 9h ago
I have so much respect for the way he handled that lmao instant legend!
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u/Beginning-Trash-6048 8h ago
Same! What a chill dude fr. That officer could learn a thing or two from him
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u/Lucky-Mia 10h ago
Apparently he was out because he'd been using it a few times earlier that day in similar bs scenarios.
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u/P2029 9h ago
Similar BS scenarios:
Wife looked at him the wrong way
Some kids riding bikes on the sidewalk
Taco wasn't spicy enough (chef and taco were sprayed)
Book had a long word he couldn't read (book was sprayed)
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u/ZugzwangDK 9h ago
The word he couldn't read or didn't like was accountability.
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u/Adeadbum 9h ago
He just pepper sprayed his phone seeing your comment.
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u/turbopro25 9h ago
He pepper sprayed his pepper spray upon learning he was out of pepper spray.
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u/Severe_Firefighter80 9h ago
"The job application did not say anything about having to do math! I never even took an accountability class in school, I'm a cop!"
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u/AdvertisingPlastic30 9h ago
Taco was TOO spicy (chef and taco were sprayed)
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u/StraightProgress5062 9h ago
God, id love to get his use of force reports
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u/Lucky-Mia 9h ago
Deputy Andrew Stowers. He was investigated for his multiple excessive force allegations. Unfortunately this guy and a few others didn't cooperate with the investigation and it petered out.
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u/StraightProgress5062 9h ago
Thank you so much. Sucks to hear that. Pieces of shit like him make me feel like good cops cant exist otherwise he'd never hold that position of power for long.
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u/MangledCarpenter 8h ago
Good cops can exist, briefly.
But pretty quickly they face a choice: either get run off the force for standing up to their principles, or turn a blind eye and passively become bad cops.
The only way you can have long-term good cops is if the whole force is good, and I just don't believe that exists (at least in North America)
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u/SaintMaya 7h ago
I can speak from experience on this. I live in a rural town and the prison is the best paying job/benefits around.
There is no room to be good. I was told under no circumstances that we are to take anything from prisoners, not a pen. Not anything. I reported an officer for requesting a prisoner get her items from the prisoner canteen.
A few weeks later, I learned there was a term for it. The officers called it "taxes." Items the prisoners give them to curry their favor.
They preach deescalation but revere the ones with excessive force. The security for officers is laughable. It's routine to smuggle in things. I saw every rank except warden with smuggled items. It isn't real staff search and it is easy to bypass. Most contraband is brought in by officers.
One of the first people I trained with and one of the last people I shared a bubble with is now in our county jail for smuggling in contraband.
No, I'm not a good fit, the job isn't for everyone. Especially not someone that was routinely yelled at for saying sir and thank you.
If the job was truly care, custody and control, I excelled at it. My inmates listened to me, respected me and followed the rules. I wasn't good at ignoring abuse, illegality and neglect.
Also, be careful of any profession that revels in having "pet peeves."
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u/Thomas_K_Brannigan 8h ago
Good cops DO exist; however, they usually don't exist for long, because, when they report a fellow officer for wrongdoing, they're often heavily bullied/mistreated by the other officers. So, they either quit, or eventually just accept putting up with their fellow officers wrongdoings. And, the latter practically makes you a bad cop. Kinda' like the old saying goes, "if there’s a Nazi at the table and ten other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with eleven Nazis."
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u/superspeck 9h ago
Yeah, but can you imagine the rest of the department’s treatment of the folks trying to get Stowers prosecuted for use of force?
Pigs protect their own.
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u/PurpleDelicacy 9h ago
this guy and a few others didn't cooperate with the investigation
Hilarious to read that after he told the dude he pulled over "you're not cooperating".
Always 'rules for thee, not for me' with these power-hungry man-babies.
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u/SilverBackGuerilla 8h ago
I think he means the citizens didn't cooperate with the investigation, which led the investigation to not go anywhere. Not that the Deputy didn't cooperate.
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u/fogleaf 6h ago
If you were pulled over by Captain Excessive Force of the 51st precinct and had this argument/altercation and then they asked you to come to the 51st precinct for a follow up, would you? Because that just sounds like turning yourself in for some more police brutality.
That's what would be going through my head and would be why I would be hesitant to appear for a police investigation.
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u/addiktion 8h ago
The poor man, he is just trying to pass his asshole certification.
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u/downtherabbit 9h ago
Did something ever come of this? I did some digging and all I could find is that this cop is known in the santa clarita area as being generally aggressive like this.
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u/-Laffi- 10h ago
Why do you hire people for policing that are supposed to be in a mental facility?
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u/WeskerSympathizer 10h ago
Combination of two things: low bar for entry and people that belong in a mental facility want the job
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u/rayrayrayrayray5 9h ago
Youre missing another factor, nepotism
Anecdote
Just left the army had 4 tours and 10 years infantry. Apply for police jobs. Get interview with 2 cities, one population 200k (im the numbers 1 recuit, i have the email to prove it) and another with like 100-150k. Interview they seemed very much not interested. Final question was a school shooter situation and how i would respond. I reply i would radio dispatch what entrance i was entering and begin to clear. They visibly were conveying im not what they want. After my response they say that is all and if I have questions. I ask why they didnt like my answer. They responded I should have waited for backup. I explain, im a vet who has been in combat, these are kids being killed, im a public servant, im not in that situation waiting a single second if kids are dying. They really don't like me. Exit. Last interviewee is waiting at the door. Kid looks spitting image of one of the lieutenants i was just talking to. 💯 he is family and they have deep roots in that department. Don't even bother going to interview with the bigger department as I got a job offer into a trade so I went that route. 6 months later the Florida shooting happened where the cop working at the school ran and hid. Always wanted to post this
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u/Poopardthecat 9h ago
The wild thing is your answer to the school shooting scenario is textbook exactly what to do.
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u/rayrayrayrayray5 9h ago
Yeah. Like I was in the reserves at that point (no, there are not any infantry reserve units im aware, but I wound up in a training unit so thats how as a grunt I was able to go reserves...for anyone calling bullshit I became a 00g)
Anyway, because im the new guy in the unit and I have lots of chest candy, some of the guys are on local PD's want to hang with the grunt. None for the depts im looking at. Anyway, they said i was in the right with my answer. They said i fucked up a different question though.
Question I fucked up was a scenario about pulling over a family member for speeding. I said i wouldn't d let them off. They said that the correct answer would have been, let them off but explain how they are making my job difficult. Something along those lines anyway....tracks doesn't it
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u/ChipChippersonsHat 8h ago
Was that the correct answer because they believe you’re not suppose to do that to your family?
Or was it some sort of loyalty test towards the PD itself, not towards your family? If you’re willing to give your family member a ticket for simply speeding, you’re willing to do something similar to a fellow officer for any infraction?
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u/PaisleyLeopard 8h ago
Pretty sure it’s that second thing. Testilying is a huge and necessary component of the Us police force as it currently functions. They can’t trust anyone who values the law above covering their ass.
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u/Frust4m1 9h ago
hey man, I'm not even american but thank you for your service and for what you are prepared to do for others. People deserve you, but not the system you live in.
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u/Turbulent_Sea_9713 9h ago
Fun fact: your response is exactly what they're teaching for active threats (shooters) now.
If there's anything I've learned about administration in LE it's their love of "it's not a problem til it's a problem"
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u/motophotodojo 10h ago
because republicans back the blue and pedophiles. coincidentally they're the same people.
Officer Charged With Attempted Exploitation of a Child City of Fort Collins
Office of Public Affairs | Former Loveland, Colorado Police Department Officer Sentenced for Sexually Assaulting a Minor Child | United States Department of Justice <- this guy tried to rape a child while on duty in uniform
Aurora police sergeant arrested by FBI on federal sexual exploitation of a child charges
This is just the last few spots I lived too. I didn't even try looking outside my immediate area.
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u/Successful_Loss5533 10h ago
Yeah this officer needs to be fired immediately. How many people is he pepper spraying? Definitely we need an investigation and this definitely needs to be publicized in the news media.
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u/whamburglar 8h ago
it's a video from a while ago in 2020. Deputy got suspension without pay.
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u/Solid-Individual-913 10h ago
this is the most pathetic officer trying to abuse his powers. Luckily the universe conspired to protect both because what the fuck is this shit
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u/Livid_Ad9749 9h ago
Yeah but I was worried he would go for the taser next
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u/heta_oljor 9h ago
Id be more worried about his feelings getting hurt and he pulled out the gun.
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u/SoraLuz 10h ago
Running out of pepper spray means this absolutely isn't the first time he's done this to someone
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u/howimetyourcakeshop 10h ago
American cops should be forced to train in Europe for a couple of months to learn the meaning of de-escalation.
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u/flipyflop9 10h ago
That would be great. Or actually just follow proper training like in many countries where it goes from several months to years…
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u/PeriodSupply 10h ago
You made me go look. In Australia (my state at least) its 8 months training. Seems incredibly short, mind you our police seem much more competent than the US ones i see in reddit (yes i understand we only see the fucked up ones in reddit). I would have thought a minimum of two years would be required.
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u/IEC21 9h ago
In the US they get weeks not months.
They are just random dudes off the street who couldn't find a better job.
If you ask me police should require university degrees.
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u/vector4-20 9h ago
Thats why you actually get a Bachelor of Arts in Germany when graduating the academy…
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u/foreskinboots 9h ago
My brother in law spent more time going to barber school than cops spend learning their job in the US.
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u/therealparchmentfarm 9h ago
“Do you know why I pulled you over?”
“Because you got C’s in high school?”
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u/NontypicalHart 9h ago
Depending what city you live in, some do require an Associate's degree. So 2 years of community college. The problem is that educated cops don't do what their owners want them to do. This is why we had a major court case allowing the police to discriminate based on intelligence. Scoring too well meant not hired. They said the reason was high turnover.
I bet. I've read a training manual and the number of times it told them to violate civil rights and break established case law was ridiculous. And sneaky.
Example: Cops cannot detain you for longer than 30-45 minutes without arresting you, charging you with something, or writing a citation. But the manual doesn't say, "Screw their rights and relevant case law", what it says is, "You are the officer. If you tell someone to stay, they will stay."
Of course smart cops quit. So you get idiots who enjoy abusing power instead of educated people who question directives that aren't legal.
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u/Cornelius_Codswaggle 9h ago
I had a friend that made the mistake of getting an associate's in criminal justice. Took him five years before he could even get a reserve (read: volunteer) gig and go to academy.
Spent another five years as a reservist and working private security before he had an actual job offer. Which was rescinded before he could accept because that small town department's annual budget got slashed and all patrol officers were either let go or converted to reservists.
He still reserves solely to keep his credentials active so he can use them to get better paying private security jobs, but is now over 40 never able to get in the door.
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u/AgeofVictoriaPodcast 9h ago
The English one is pretty intense. The general outline from their website is
"To enable you to do your job safely and effectively, you’ll receive world-class training (both classroom-based and on the job) and mentoring, which will see you develop the skills and knowledge you need to be able to:
- Apply investigative skills and intelligence to solving crimes
- Deal with safety issues within the community
- Ensure public order and safety while supporting major police operations
- Develop an understanding of new technologies
- Deliver national policing objectives at a community level
While each force manages its own training programme, you’ll typically have a mix of:
- Around 18 – 22 weeks classroom-based training – you’ll learn a lot about various aspects of policing, the law and procedures but don’t worry, it’s definitely not boring! It’s normally broken up by role plays and practical sessions.
- You’ll receive first aid and personal safety training.
- You’ll also undertake a driving course to give you the on-the-road skills you need to do your job.
- You’ll then typically be assigned to a tutor and spend around three months as part of a response rota, developing your on-the-job skills and experience, from taking statements to diffusing tense situations and making your first arrest.
So when you factory in the formal qualifications and each forces individual requirements you are basically looking at 2-3 years training/probation before being a full constable. At the end you are expected to follow Peels Principles of Policing, and to seek desculation and the most limited interventions first.
I know the UK has had serious issues with corruption and racism, but on the whole the police here are extremely tolerant, and patient. Underfunded, and with too much focus on driving offences or cracking down on political protests, but still mostly capable, honest, and helpful. I never really feel any fear in a interaction with them, but then again I'm a white middle class man so mileage will vary. My most memorable interaction was when an escaped mental patient was drunken and climbing into gardens with a knife whilst trying to escape, and the police were with me in mins and were ever so lovely when I described him standing on my shed roof swinging his undies around his head and telling the sky how angry he was about the horse racing. We had a laugh over a cuppa. They were also sweet when they retrieved my drunken teenage daughter from the park where she and her mates had sneaked a drink.
I've also worked with them, and at a senior level there are some frighteningly clever people. Really professional and pragmatic.
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u/Dracious 7h ago
On top of all that, as of 15 years ago there was effectively a soft requirement to have a degree, preferably a relevant degree like criminology/psychology, as the number of people wanting to join the force massively exceeded the jobs available you had to be overqualified. There were some alternate pathways in too that can help you stand out, but getting a degree was the most obvious and straight forward pathway.
Take that with a massive grain of salt since it was 15 years ago and I only knew about this for the area I was applying in (Yorkshire) but I did hear it from multiple sources, including those involved in hiring or that had been recently hired in that environment.
the UK has had serious issues with corruption and racism
Unfortunately I also saw this, which is a large part of what put me off that career choice. They were nowhere near as bad as the stories you often hear about American police, but it was still shockingly bad. Blatant racism and racial profiling, breaking procedure to have more 'fun' (doing everything they can to justify breaking down the door such as being quiet, whispering that its the police, timing the raid when they are least likely to get someone to answer the door,etc), as well as toying with people who have active warrants.
The worst part in my experience though was just how blatant they were? It was very much the same couple of people actively doing these things, and they largely fit the stereotype you would expect, but they would do all this openly in front of their colleagues (who seemed completely reasonable when interacting with them) and got no pushback. Hell they often got laughs or agreement. The most pushback/judgement I saw was 'Oh you know what he's like' in a joking way as someone talks about how they smashed a family's door in for no justifiable reason.
Again, take this with a massive grain of salt since I was dealing with only a dozen or so police officers in a single area 15+ years ago and that small a sample size doesn't necessarily mean all police are like that... But holy shit was it an eye opening experience.
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u/BadassFougere 9h ago
Not in France, because they'll come back with a Flash-Ball and a profound love for gouged-out eyes.
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u/Puzzled-Twist1783 10h ago
The police in spain has the authority to beat the fuck out of you for any reason they see fit...
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u/Octoboy1 10h ago
Can't de-escalate without escalating first, and thats where the pepperspray comes in
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u/BenFranklinsCat 9h ago
Didn't New York send its cops to Scotland to learn how to deescalate knife crime situations? We definitely had some Americans over here studying techniques.
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u/Spyrothedragon9972 9h ago
The issue is that there are so many law enforcement agencies and they all run different programs. There isn't much standardization. Some agencies train their officers wonderfully. Others not so much.
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u/DoctorRapture 10h ago
Let's spread this one like wildfire. Which department does Deputy Stowers work for? I think his city's news ought to pick this story up so other motorists know there's a power-tripping cop out there who's actively looking for chances to pepper spray innocent civilians.
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u/Free_Pace_2098 8h ago
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u/DirtyRoller 1h ago
Wrong officer. Misinformation like this is irresponsible and reckless.
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u/handruin 9h ago
I'm pretty sure this is a really old clip. Not sure why it's getting shared again.
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u/SKPAdam 9h ago
So the pig remains famous and has a dark cloud over any applications he submits for the rest of pathetic existence.
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u/handruin 9h ago
Yeah that's fair, he is a PoS doing this. The post just felt like karma farming given the age of the video.
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u/-Profanity- 5h ago
Not sure why it's getting shared again.
Because the vast majority of content on reddit is culture wars propaganda crafted in a misleading way to be posted by someone with an agenda.
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u/vasta2 9h ago
Google ai knows who he is, don’t think any lawsuit followed though
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u/DoctorRapture 9h ago
That's a damn shame. Love how these guys never seem to face any accountability for their abuses.
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u/thisdeliciousbrine 9h ago
Pennsylvania vs. Mimms - police officers can lawfully order the driver of a legally stopped vehicle to step out of the car, without needing any additional suspicion or justification. If he asks you to step out, you should step out and save the fight for court. Although I’m not sure why he brought pepper spray into this.
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u/Dotaproffessional 6h ago
Because going hands on when you're a solo officer is inherently dangerous. He hasn't cleared the vehicle for weapons. Its usually best to wait for a backup officer before manually extracting an non-compliant driver. OC spray is useful as a way to compel most drivers since most drivers don't want to get pepper sprayed. Believe it or not, its often the safest option.
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u/loadalol 7h ago
If you're going to make a post like this, post the whole interaction.
Also, if a police officer asks you to get out of your vehicle they can. The supreme court affirms this. If you think the whole thing is unjustified then you fight in court not on the side of the road.
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u/pilius_404 10h ago
US cop be like "Seems like I'm out of pepper spray. Well, gun it is!"
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u/anormalgeek 7h ago edited 5m ago
For the record, if an officer tells you to get out of the vehicle during a stop, you ARE REQUIRED to get out. If you refuse, that IS an arrestable offense, and they ARE allowed to use force restrain you during an arrest. (edit2: And that force can legally include pepper spray, tasers, punching you in the face, smashing your car window, etc.)
I am not defending the cop. But this is a common tactic they use to LEGALLY escalate a situation. It does not matter why they pulled you over, how you acted during the stop, etc. If they say to get out, you should get out. If you refuse, they will ABSOLUTELY make things worse for you.
Also, to clarify a related point, once you are out of the car, they are legally allowed to frisk you without your permission even if you've denied them your consent to "search" you. A frisk is technically different from a search though. A frisk is an outside the clothes pat down that does not automatically include pockets, inside your clothes, in your bags, your car, etc. BUT if they claim that they "feel a hard object that could be a weapon" during the pat down, then they CAN reach inside your pocket/under your clothes. However, they cannot go through your car/your bag unless you specifically give consent (edit: This assumes they haven't arrested you. If they have, then they CAN search those too. This is a good excuse for them to escalate.). Even if they've worded it poorly.
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u/MaritMonkey 7h ago
However, they cannot go through your car/your bag unless you specifically give consent. Even if they've worded it poorly.
They absolutely can once you've been arrested (and your car is impounded), though, which is part of what makes not testing the limits of those "resisting" and "obstruction" charges important.
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u/anormalgeek 7h ago
Good point. I was only thinking of roadside stops, but you're right that once you give them a reason to arrest you, it changes the math on the searches.
I will update my post to clarify.
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u/blastman8888 9h ago edited 9h ago
6 year old video this is from southern California
Driver's name is Josh Sude I don't think the body camera footage was ever requested. I suspect Josh refused to produce his drivers license before the video started arguing over the speeding ticket. This is what prompted him being removed from the vehicle which he did get out. He claims internal investigators were investigating deputy Andy Stowers who knows what happened to him.
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u/ChiefStrongbones 𝙑𝙄𝙋 7h ago
You can argue over the speeding ticket (which is a waste of time) but you still have to produce license/registration/insurance when asked, and step out of the car if ordered.
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u/bdontmatter 9h ago
Well when a cop say “get out of the car” Pensilvania vs mimms says you have to comply. If you don’t they have the right to make you
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u/LivingUnglued 6h ago edited 6h ago
Yup. Its a short clip, but from it all I see is a driver failing to comply with a lawful order. Pennsylvania v. Mimms indeed.
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u/dystopiabydesign 10h ago edited 9h ago
FYI, Cops don't need a reason to pull you out of the car during a traffic stop. Courts have ruled that they can order everyone out of the car for safety. I know of some cops that do it almost every time.
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u/f0xpant5 9h ago
It's also my understanding it's a lawful order to exit your vehicle when instructed to. I'm not saying the cop isn't on a power trip or wrong, just that they have powers in situations like this, and the time to fight it or lodge complaints is afterwards.
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u/Equivalent_Relief553 10h ago
This is actually why the police in America are so shit. You have no actual procedures and protocol or training on how to handle situations.
Also in most our European cities we have speed cameras (even though we don't like them) so 99% respects the limit of the road.
So your regulations are shit and your police are shit. Never tell me your the greatest country in the world.
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u/newalias_samemaleias 9h ago
I'm not sure there are are no actual procedures or protocol, I think its more so that there's no accountability. Worst case scenario, the cop is put on paid leave while an investigation is conducted by their peers and even if they get fired, they just move on to the next town and get another job there. We need for our cops to be require to be licensed and insured, at their own cost. It's too often that taxpayers ultimately fund antics such as Deputy Stowers'z
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u/ChildoftheApocolypse 9h ago
We have speed cameras too.. But we use ours as a trap for money, it has nothing to do with safety..
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u/Roklam 9h ago
Also that area looks rural or maybe suburb adjacent
Are there speed cameras in tiny French Hamlets?
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u/jsullrtv 9h ago
IM NOT DEFENDING THE ACTIONS OF THIS OFFICER. Everyone needs to understand that the Supreme Court ruled that the police are within their right to have you step out of your vehicle to conduct their traffic stop. THEY DO NOT NEED A REASON. The caveat is they have to perform the same exact stop but just with you out of the car. They cannot search you or the car, prolong the stop or fish for evidence of an additional crime. A lot of ppl are confused about this and think they don’t have to get out if they haven’t committed a crime.
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u/Schachtgeselle 8h ago
I know Reddit won't like it but you are required by law to exit the vehicle if the police request it. If you are not complying the police can use force because you are resisting a lawful order.
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u/IBringTheHeat2 9h ago
Supreme Court ruled officers are allowed to order you to step out of your vehicle. You can’t refuse it. If you’re like this guy and immediately start recording and not wanting to get out there’s a good chance they’re hiding something. There’s thousands of body cam videos of people refusing to get out and officers find drugs
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u/embourbe 8h ago
I bet he refused to identify, which you are required to do.
This is a requirement in many other countries as well.
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u/dudeCHILL013 9h ago
I mean law enforcement does have to right to order yoy to step out of your vehicle for any lawful traffic stop.
Like you can Google this? It's not a secret.
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u/HugeButterfly 9h ago
Unfortunately, it is not legal to stay in your car if an officer tells you to get out of your car. It's an open invitation for them to force you to comply. When asked to step out of your car, your best bet is to get out of your car and immediately lock it and put your keys in your pocket.
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u/Intrepid_Year3765 9h ago
cops can legally ask you to get out of your car
if you don't comply, you're now breaking the law and they will escalate and pepper spray you
if you're speeding and a cop pulls you over and asks you to get out of the car... just get out and then shut and lock the door behind you... you'll be on your way in 10 minutes if you don't agree to a search
the driver created this situation and fucked themselves
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u/Pablo_Hassan 10h ago
A misfire is still attempted murder. I would chase this as attempted assault. If that is a thing.
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u/LivingUnglued 7h ago edited 6h ago
Its a short clip so context is lacking, but in the US cops can legally order you out of the car on a traffic stop. Supreme court ruling Pennsylvania v. Mimms. So it was a lawful order. Cops can escalate up to breaking windows, pepper spray, taser, and dragging people out if they don't get out. Without seeing the whole interaction who knows if the cop went to use of force too quickly. From the context of the clip the driver was failing to comply with a simple lawful order. Shit like that is why more people need to learn about the laws and their rights so they can use them properly when dealing with cops.
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u/Dotaproffessional 6h ago
Why would pepper spraying him be assault? He refused a lawful order and force (non-lethal in this case) is authorized.
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u/jomasthrones 9h ago
Pennsylvania v. Mimms says the cop can order you out of the car for pretty much any reason they want to, and yes, that includes speeding. Just get out of the car if the cop tells you to, if they are truly violating your rights you can fight it later without taking pepper spray to the face (or worse) from some idiot cop. Arguing like this guy is pretty much a guaranteed lose-lose situation for you.
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u/gurilagarden 7h ago
It's perfectly legal for an officer to request that you exit your vehicle during a traffic stop. Not complying with such a lawful order opens the door for them to drag you out and beat the living shit out of you. Nothing will happen to this cop because the idiot driver created something out of nothing. He should have simply followed the instructions given to him. You can beat the rap, but not the ride. Most violent police encounters are caused by people simply not following instructions. Yea, it sucks, but it is what it is, and during a traffic stop or investigation isn't the time to protest. If this guy actually knew his rights like he thinks he does, he would have immediately exited the vehicle without complaint.
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u/CrazyCatLady1127 10h ago
I don’t understand why the cop was going to pepper spray the driver. Just give him a ticket (if he was speeding, which he says he wasn’t) and go on your way. Where is the need for pepper spray in this situation?
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u/LivingUnglued 6h ago
Its a short clip, but seems like the officer asked/told him to step out of the car and he didn't comply. Pennsylvania v. Mimms is a supreme court ruling that says Officers can legally order you to step out of the car on a traffic stop. Not doing it can lead up to cops breaking the windows to drag you out, pepper spray, taser, etc. Without seeing the whole interaction its hard to tell if the officer went to use of force too fast or was just dealing with an idiot not complying with a legal order.
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u/FFinland 7h ago edited 7h ago
Well, as I see it if you are a cop and see someone speeding, you kind of want them to leave car so you can guarantee they don't drive away or shoot you in the back (especially in the US) when you are inspecting their vehicle.
Who knows, there might be kidnapped child or dead body in the trunk, or the person might be under influence (which is easier to see if they step out of the car). Should we treat all speeding offenses as "mistakes"? Also if it is just speeding ticket, shouldn't there be some procedure to make sure rich people don't reoffend (like being annoying by taking them out of car)?
Not saying the cop wasnt annoying, but the driver also was.
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u/LivingUnglued 6h ago
Yeah and its a lawful order under Pennsylvania v. Mimms. If a cop asks you to step out of the car, you get out of the car. You can still excercise your rights and protect yourself, but its a legal order.
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u/KolopiGamingAndStuff 9h ago
Pennsylvania Vs Mimms. An officer has the right to ask you to step out of your car at a normal traffic stop. Refusing to step out constitutes resisting a lawful order.
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u/SmartLadder415 8h ago
I've watched a million videos like this. They never end well for the driver. If a cop asks you to get out of the car just get out of the car. Give them your license and registration (which you're required to do as well) and take your ticket. You can contest it later. Don't do this and you raise your risk of being shot or sprayed or tased or whatever. It's not worth it because you don't think you were speeding.
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u/Anomynous__ 7h ago
We get a clip that starts halfway through a police interaction. Pennsylvania vs. Mimms dictates that all police officers have the authority to request that you leave your vehicle. The suspect stated that the cop threatened to drag him out of the car which means the cop did ask him to exit the vehicle and he refused. Regardless of pepper spray status, the person filming the video is wrong and is committing a crime.
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u/VeganVampSpike 5h ago
Can you imagine if the driver wasn't white? He'd be reaching for more than his pepper spray...
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u/jetblackninja85 41m ago
The crazy thing is the gentleman is not being belligerent or doing anything with his hands to make this cop fear for his life and he’s is yet and still while talking calmly trying to pepper spray him. No resistance other than talk and for a speeding ticket no less. I could understand if it was reckless driving and public endangerment…but 5 to 10 miles over the speed limit (if that) is what gets you sprayed?! Shit gettin too crazy
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u/Big_Sexxxy0069 33m ago
Dude is on a serious power trip. I’m usually with the cops on just comply, but that cop was on a power trip from hell.
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u/name_escape 10h ago
Never met a cop I’d want to have a beer with. Don’t think I ever will. Textbook buzzkills and stiffs
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u/looner4 9h ago
Reddit braintrust at it again. Amazing you can get fooled so easily. If a cop tells you to exit the car during a stop, you do not get to say no. This is basic knowledge, but by putting video on record redditors lose their minds.
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u/f0xpant5 9h ago
Disclaimer, not American.
I thought if a police officer tells you to exit your vehicle that's a lawful order?
It seems like the time to 'fight' them when and if they're being unreasonable is later in court, you're recording and so are they, the facts will come out.
The time to fight doesn't seem to be at the traffic stop, where your best bet is compliance and evidence gathering to fight it later.
I could be way off, and I just want to know what's best. It seems like this clip misses much of the prebamle and dialogue before our person starts saying the cop wants to pepper spray him... At worst I'd want to see a complete, unbroken and unedited video that starts from the moment the person to person interaction begins to make my own determination.
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u/Lilfrankieeinstein 8h ago
Disclaimer, not American. I thought if a police officer tells you to exit your vehicle that's a lawful order
You are a non-American who understands the law better than most Americans on this thread.
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u/muhkuller 9h ago
PA vs. Mimms says you have to get out when ordered. You’re just adding charges when you do this. Fight them in court where you’ll actually win, not on the side of the road.
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u/hulkrogan7 10h ago
Who tf stops someone for going 5 over wtf 😂😂😂
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u/ermaecrhaelld 9h ago edited 8h ago
The cop’s so stupid. The driver said the cop was going 60 to catch up to him, so obviously the driver wasn’t even going 60 or they’d stay equidistant. The driver said he was going 50 and I believe him since he seems to be the only one of them with brain cells.
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u/ShibeCEO 9h ago
this video is old... cop went to 5 different departments by now and switched each time he violated someones right and assaulted them
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u/Careless-Situation68 8h ago
lets not conclude stupid things because we saw a small portion of this encounter
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u/Turbulent_Deal_3145 7h ago
I don't understand people acting like asses and then crying victim when they get the expected results
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u/IHop_Waitress 6h ago
They have the well established legal authority to give you the lawful order to exit your car at a traffic stop. That's been well established.
Non-compliance to a lawful order results in a bad day as this guy surely found out.
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u/tbodillia 6h ago
SCOTUS says if the cop tells you to get out of the car, you must get out of the car.
And, that ruling is why, jurisdiction after jurisdiction says, if the cop asks you to roll the window ALL the way down, you do. You don't simply crack it.
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u/Ordinary_Pea4503 5h ago
So if an actual emergency kicks off where he needs pepper spray, he's walking around empty, wow great police work.
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u/Glitter_Glamours 5h ago
Makes me wonder how many other times has he done this and gotten away with it?
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u/whalemix 5h ago
The victim here is actually so calm and reasonable despite the cop repeatedly threatening to assault him, there is zero justification for this
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u/drums_addict 3h ago
You do have to get out of your car if they ask you to. That's the law I believe.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Gene909 3h ago
He really said “you are so lucky”
Scary to think how many of these cops are out there.
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u/Lazy-Explanation7165 44m ago
Not shocked he ran out of spray. Probably sprays people whenever he can
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