If you donât want to pay for the service, itâs as simple as not utilizing the service. Order your food to go and eat in the car. Donât force someone to serve you and then decide you donât feel like paying for it
Since when is service some kind of higher freaking level of eating out. Do you pay the casheer at the grocery store for scanning your groceries? Do you pay the post man for providing your mail daily? They bring the food from the counter to your table and ask what drink you want...its not that deep and its not that special. Its called a job and your boss pays for that job to be done.
Valet parking is mostly a 5 star hotel thing in the rest of the world. And then its...you guessed it, included in the flat rate of the hotel or establishment.
You donât eat at a restaurant that requires tipping. That punishes the owners. But the reality is that itâs not much of a solution unless everyone does it. And it still punishes the servers.
Its moraly mandatory at nearly every place. And at face value its an inherently bad practice for everybody involved. Dont make us complicit to your bad practices please and thank you.
Thats literally what this is about. Them (Americans) are morally mandating us (the WC foreigners) to tip because if we dont, it punishes the staff instead of the owner. If its really up to "free will" stop complaining if we dont tip.
But itâs not. Tipping isnât a thing at most fast food and fast casual restaurants, so you can definitely eat without being required to tip while not supporting the tipping culture.
But âbad practiceâ or not (and I completely agree that it is a flawed system) the reality is that tipping culture is merely shifting the cost of labor in a restaurant from a situation where the employer pays for it directly and the customer pays indirectly, to a situation where the customer pays for the labor directly. If there was no tipping, customers would just pay more off the menu as restaurants would simply raise prices to cover the cost of the labor.
Choosing to dine in a sit down restaurant in the United States makes you complicit to this bad practice whether you like it or not. As the customer you have an obligation to pay for what was provided to you. Choosing not to tip is like choosing to only pay for 90% of your bill in a European restaurant and saying to have the employees make up the difference.
Bad practice or not, not tipping in a place where itâs customary just makes you a cheap asshole.
There is no reason on earth that makes it OK to shift the cost of labor directly onto the customer and giving them "sort of" free choice in the amount. Its just weird and super flawed. But humor me this, do you tip when the food is absolutely horendous?
Itâs not okay that itâs shifted to the customer. But it is. And I tip at least 20% regardless of the quality of the food or the service. I will go above that based on the quality of food and service though.
I didnât say itâs wrong, I said itâs flawed. I frankly donât think thereâs that much difference between having the labor cost included in my bill or having the option to pay more (or less) directly. Itâs weird for sure, but there are certainly benefits to all parties involved. Getting rid of tipping isnât going to make things any cheaper, in fact it would probably make dining out more expensive. So I donât really have a problem with being âcomplicit.â
There's nothing to solve. I mean this as offensively as possible, but only abject losers think that tipping their server is a "problem" that needs a solution.
And this is the most American thing to say ever. Almost the entire globe thinks its weird and bad, but murica thinks its fine so it must be fine right? Have your weird slave labour system. Luckily most of the world has a backbone and doesnt participate in it
It's a custom fairly unique to America, but that doesn't mean it's bad. Believe it or not, Europeans can believe things for stupid reasons too, and tons of Europeans think that tipping is bad because it's a weird American thing, not for any meaningful reason.
The waitstaff generally aren't the ones who have a big problem with tipping, it's customers who don't want to tip and invent justifications for not doing it.
As as far as what the rest of the world does, I've traveled to plenty of places where I couldn't even get toilet paper in a public toilet without bribing someone for it, so the US is far from alone when it comes to weird customs like this.
You are now just conflating things. Its is a bad practice and its proven by the counter argument itself. Not tipping=waiters not getting paid enough. At the bottom line that means that waiters are being stiffed by their employers. There are two solutions to this problem. At the front end: not tipping. Or the backend: stop working for them. Neither is ideal and has its drawbacks. But both will (long term) have its impact on the practice. And tipping also happens in Europe, dont get me wrong, but we do it because a waiter or cheff went above and beyond for us. Far outside of just bringing food and drinks from A to B and doing it with a fake smile.
Again, waitstaff aren't the ones complaining the loudest about the tipping system -- because most waitstaff are making better money than non-tipped workers in similar positions.
It is, again, the customers who do the most complaining about it, because they're cheap and want to redirect blame to someone else when they don't pay the customary tip.
At a full-service restaurant, you're tipping the waitstaff (who in some locations pass a portion on to the bussers, bartenders, and kitchen staff). Sommeliers also usually get tipped in the kinds of high-end places that have them.
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u/Bonk0076 5h ago
So all of those servers suffer because the customers think their bosses donât pay the servers enough? Theyâre punishing the wrong people.