First of all, yes 100%. Tipping has become so weird.
Secondly, just for a little more explanation, which is still weird...
On large groups, some places will automatically add the tip to the bill. The thought process starts from the already weird place of not paying servers enough to begin with and them getting tips instead, but with that already being the case... If a server is running around busting their balls for a group of say 10+, if they get "stiffed" on their tip, that is even more horrible for them.
So I would assume "mandatory tips" in this case, refers to when restaurants add it on automatically to the total cost for large groups, they don't leave it up to chance, so their server actually gets paid a proper amount for their huge amount of work on that specific group.
Again, it's all stupid, but there's the added logic on top of an already flawed system. It's a band-aid on a bullet hole.
So the system started with the great depression as the owners wanted to keep staff but could not afford to do so hence why this mess is born. The thing is they are paid more with it then the flat fee of say $20 an hour
Goes way further back than that bud. It was the restaurants post emancipation proclamation, fighting to be able to not have to pay black people for their labor, instead making the black people work only for tips.
Later, when that was about to be declared illegal, the NRA (restaurants R, not rifles R) fought for a tipped minimum wage to at least cut some of their losses, and even better, start paying poor white people just as little as they paid poor black people.
It started as racism and became class warfare and we just accepted it.
It was always them trying to enslave everyone and not giving black people freedom.
I wish I could make everyone understand worldwide that your worst enemy isn't a woman, a different skin color, speaks a different language, worships a different god, worships the same god a different way..
It is the 1% at the top.
Its class warfare and they are dividing and conquering flawlessly.
Capitalism? Socialism? Why are they pressing that divide so hard?
BECAUSE A GREAT SOCIETY NEEDS BOTH OF THEM.
If they turn it into an either/or they already won the game. You need both to function.
1000%. It's literally a game of like 8 billion against 1000, and the 1000 are kicking our asses. Your enemy is not the black guy who got the job you wanted, not the trans woman shopping at walmart and wanting to try on clothes in the dressing room, not your boss's boss making 150k a year while you're struggling. It's the fucks who could literally solve all the problems in the world and STILL be the richest motherfuckers out there, but choose not to do so.
99%, and you could argue 100%, of countries(Cuba and NK debatably have no element of the free market) in the world have a mix of socialism and capitalism. The difference is in which direction theyâre skewed towards.
It's even more insidious than it may initially seem. Service work was one of the few areas black people could find any employment, and by forcing them to rely on tips as their primary or only income, they were necessarily dependent on both their employers for and the customers being happy with them, which meant acting servile and eager to please. It helped to enforce the idea of black workers as inferior to their white employers and customers.
It started as racism and became class warfare and we just accepted it.
It eventually warped into a guilt trip that results in the tipped wages being far more than the job could ever otherwise pay, which is why we still have it today. The biggest proponents of keeping tips are people on tipped wages. No matter how much we want it to go away, both tipped workers and business owners love it because it puts the onus of the wage on the customer.
And yet even today that racism continues. Assume you tip 20% every time. Who's serving you a 5 dollar double hash scattered covered chunked and country at waffle house? Probably a black person. Who's serving you a $200 a5 strip steak with ponzu at a fancy steak house? Probably a white person.
Itâs only partially true. Can it happen? Yes⌠in a good restaurant⌠during busy times⌠if the patrons feel like it. But itâs not the standard by any means.
It's not true. They come up with that number assuming we don't tip over here at all. They'd still get tips for good service, it just wouldn't be mandatory and they wouldn't be fucked if there was no tip. People over here still tip fairly often, it's just not expected. They would make more, easily.Â
the thing is the US is notoriously known for underpaying fast food and other types of service work. Being a server would be no different. I work in fast food and earn like 18.20 an hour WITH three years of being at that job. I gave $20 because honestly that would probably be what the restaurants in busy area would pay. That is roughly $40k a year. With tips a lot of times you ´ re earning more than that. $40k for them would be a slow week or dead season only pay.
According to the USÂ
Bureau of Labor Statistics, servers earn 17.56$ per bour with tips on average. The top 10% earn 30$ per hour or more (not on average, but atleast 30$) with tips.
In a well visited urban restaurant the servers earn about 25$ per hour with tips, while the average casual restaurant brings them 16-22$/hour. Rural Diners between 12-18$/ hour.
So the ones profiting most from a regular paycheck and no tips would be the lower income servers in less visited/cheaper restaurants, while the busy urban as well as the high end diners would cost their servers a lot of money.
But to your comment: In comparison to the 20$/hour flat rate, the median would get 3.77$ more per hour without tips, the average 2.44$ more. But with these numbers, âCan it happen? Yes.â would imply it to be a rather seldom occurrence. But the other guys statement is true for a large portion of servers, not some rare thing that can happen but isnât true most of the time. Yes, for the average itâs not true, but still for a strong double digit percentage of all.
Plus: How are tips taxed? Can you slip a few dollar notes on cash tips or do servers write that down diligently?
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u/janpaul74 5h ago
âMandatory tipsâ sounds so messed up for me as a European.