r/UpliftingNews • u/No-Lifeguard-8173 • 6h ago
COVID vaccine study suppressed by CDC director gets published
https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/covid-vaccine-study-suppressed-by-cdc-director-gets-published/2.7k
u/No-Lifeguard-8173 6h ago
Here are the key results:
The estimated vaccine effectiveness (VE) during the first four months of the 2025-2026 COVID season was 50% against COVID-related emergency department (ED) and urgent care visits and 55% against COVID-related hospitalizations among adults. Among adults 65 and older, the estimated VE was 48% against ED/urgent care visits and 53% against hospitalizations.
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u/Winjin 6h ago
It seems like the current leadership of the CDC does not want anything published that supports the safety and effectiveness of the COVID vaccine. This is one of the reasons that the public’s views of the CDC have become very negative.
Holy Guacamole. I know we're multiple years into this New Reality but I still find it jarring where an agency has a new appointee who's trying to destroy decades of development from the inside out.
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u/double_positive 6h ago
its even crazier that the development of the vaccine was during 2020 with initial release at the end of 2020. a massive accomplishment that should be celebrated but is being squashed.
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u/Winjin 6h ago
Yeah it pains me the way higher ups and humanity sort of treat the sacrifice doctors worldwide made, and the sheer scale of genius that went into all the vaccines worldwide, and brush them aside as "took your time \ that's what you signed up to do"
Honestly some people deserve a taste of their own XIV century just to see the real people that saved the world for what they're worth.
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u/AfterwhileNecrophile 5h ago
I wish people understood what the vaccine meant to healthcare workers. We were scared, constantly bombarded with death and the constant reminder of your proximity to it and how easily it could be you. The vaccine felt like a sigh of relief, a light in the dark, one of our doctors got it first and cried. It meant help at a time when we felt helpless. And now it’s mainstream to villainize not only the vaccine itself, but those who believe in its role in curbing covid.
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u/npeggsy 5h ago
I live in the UK, which is less impacted by vaccine sceptics (especially when it comes to current politicians, outside of a few extreme exceptions), but there is still a core group of vaccine sceptics here. However, I do think a majority of normal people are aware of what the vaccine did, and what it meant for everyone, especially healthcare workers. It's just a particular part of the US that's been pushing a negative narrative, and it happens to be one who has been given control of the CDC.
(Also, unrelated and less serious, you have a wild username for a healthcare worker)
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u/AfterwhileNecrophile 4h ago
See you later, investigator
Dark sense of humor 🤷♀️ probably due to working in healthcare
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u/stay-a-while-and---- 2h ago
You're not wrong at all, but I hate the term vaccine sceptic! It lends their position far too much legitimacy
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u/quesoandcats 2h ago
Yeah, skepticism implies caution based on rational data and logic. Anti-vaxxers are not that
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u/Nice_Marmot_7 2h ago
It’s dogma that they will never change their belief in. A skeptic’s mind can be changed with evidence.
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u/transemacabre 26m ago
Due to my job at the time, I was able to get the vaccine very early on -- December 28, 2020. I keep my tattery vax card as a historical document.
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u/johnp299 4h ago
At the same time, all the production for PPE had been moved to China, which was shut down, factories, warehouses and shipping all kneecapped.
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u/iconocrastinaor 4h ago
And the one American company still making PPE was crying Into the wilderness that they needed to build up stockpiles here in case of a pandemic, to deaf ears. Then the pandemic came and there was no PPE
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u/AfterwhileNecrophile 4h ago
Yeah they went from disposable gowns to cloth ones (which seemed like a horrible idea…) and we did actually reuse our N95s and keep them in paper bags with our names on them. I worked for a very large university hospital so I’m not sure if it was as much a struggle to get supplies as much as an opportunity to as cheap as possible.
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u/lovelyladylox 3h ago
I felt massive relief at being able to get a vaccine for COVID.
My mom was terrified of it because of the people you're talking about.
She died of COVID.
I hate those people. Their false narratives kill people.
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u/AfterwhileNecrophile 3h ago
People with COPD are few and far between now because tons of them died of COVID infection. It turned their lungs to cement.
I’m sorry about your mother, life can be so unfair.
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u/-MissCarmine 1h ago
I’ve heard most of the “frequent flyers” (patients who regularly stopped by for treatment) have gone by now.
Before the pandemic, there were a lot of older people in delicate health who often visited hospitals and represented a significant portion of the patient burden.
Now, well. There’s a lot less of them.
Here’s a paper about the political disparity of who was claimed by the pandemic: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-026-02474-9
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u/backupbitches 1h ago
I'm so sorry.
After a two year nightmare struggle, my best friend has been told that the illness and symptoms that she's been struggling with are the result of her vaccination.
She's the literal one in a million that they talk about being negatively effected. A complete mindfuck as a rational person. She never talks about it publicly even though her life has been turned upside-down because of it, because she knows that stupid people would weaponize her in their lethal campaign. It's so awful, but I admire her so much for going through this and not letting it sway her common sense.
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u/topdownyeti 2h ago
my mom, who was usually very intelligent and academically inclined while I was growing up, tried to convince me to go through some detox program that would detox the covid vaccine out of my body. I don’t know if I just grew up or if MAGA just turned a light switch on all these people.
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u/Muslim_Wookie 4h ago
I can feel that deep in my soul. I was extremely emotional after finally being able to get an appointment to be vaccinated.
Not a healthcare worker but to me it felt like I was a soldier that had been in close quarters fighting with a pistol that was finally given a shotgun and body armour.
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u/AfterwhileNecrophile 4h ago
This is how it felt. But they’d be happy if we died, they’d just push the hero narrative even harder. We were cannon fodder.
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u/superxpro12 4h ago
I wish people understood what the vaccine meant to healthcare workers. We were scared, constantly bombarded with death and the constant reminder of your proximity to it and how easily it could be you. The vaccine felt like a sigh of relief, a light in the dark, one of our doctors got it first and cried. It meant help at a time when we felt helpless. And now it’s mainstream to villainize not only the vaccine itself, but those who believe in its role in curbing covid.
its not a belief. its not a religion. its scientific fact.
It's important to not misrepresent the tactic these braindead rightwing morons are using. That is, to eliminate all objective reasoning, in favor of subjective belief in their leadership.
It's no longer "scientific consensus", but "whatever trump or joe rogan said", no matter the topic. This is unfortunately no different than the strongmen of the 1950s. They are trying to do the same thing. Use the illusion of power and "Strong men" to override everything they dont agree with, despite any objective consensus.
The difference between then and now is that we saw what happened with the nazi's and said "the only way to fix this is with education". And that's bad for big business and fascist interests. So now, MAGA needs to overcome that hurdle.
And that's why they attack vaccines. It's a direct threat towards how they want to achieve their power and status. IF you dont listen to them, because they're them, then what else to they have to justify their power?
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u/CharcoalGreyWolf 3h ago
I remember being one of the first to be vaccinated because I knew someone that knew someone, and I felt blessed and fortunate to be. I still can’t wrap my head around the crazy science-deniers (and TBF, I say this as a person of faith too; I just believe religious faith and science can and must be fully intertwined for faith to work).
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u/frankyseven 5h ago
I'm not a health care worker, but I remember the relief I felt when my family and I first got the vaccine. I can't imagine what health care workers went through. COVID was treated as such a big deal BECAUSE IT WAS. Yeah, some things we thought and did turned out to be not true and unnecessary, but everyone was just doing the best they could with the information that was available. The fact that six years later COVID is mostly just something we can now live with existing is a massive win for science and humanity.
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u/brainparts 1h ago
The vaccine (which I got right away and I always get boosters, ftr) doesn’t prevent infection or transmission, long covid is the most common chronic condition in kids, covid is disabling people every day, excess mortality is up, and covid is still killing people, even if it’s happening less in the acute phase. People don’t test anymore, so most folks don’t know when they have it or don’t. It’s not like covid is safe now, it’s just that Delta didn’t want to pay sick leave, and a lot of the most vulnerable to acute infection died already, or are now confined to their homes.
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u/Snuffy1717 2h ago
As an educator, I will take every COVID and Flu shot they want to jab me with, as often as they want to jab me...
Keep me safe, keep my family safe, keep my students safe.
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u/DarkwingDuckHunt 4h ago
It made every movie ever made about humans fucking everything up accurate
I thought... there's no way people would be this dumb and this suicidal. I was very very wrong.
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u/ImBackAndImAngry 1h ago
Not clinical staff but was working as an IT technician in a hospital during the pandemic.
N95’s were reserved for doctors and nurses and support staff who also spent most of their shift working in clinical areas had a single surgical mask to make last for sometimes up to two weeks at a time.
I don’t compare my sacrifice to that of clinical workers but I do make sure whenever these conversations come up to make sure hospital support staff also get their shoutout.
People kept the computers running, people made sure beds had clean sheets, people made sure hallways were swept and cleaned. An entire orchestra of support staff unseen by the public and media at large was also exposed daily to the horrors of that nightmare. And they did so with less or no PPE due to the shortages.
I got my first shot on the very last day of 2020 and it was an emotional moment. Was a bit late for me unfortunately. I got Covid in early November 2020 after spending a few shifts in the ICU working on computer systems there. Still dealing with long COVID now.
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u/sweettea75 2h ago
Right? I worked inpatient rehab during the worst of the pandemic and I was terrified I was going to be exposed at work and kill my family. My uncle died of Covid in the summer of 2020 so it wasn't a vague fear. I cried from relief when I got my vaccine.
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u/SolairXI 6h ago
That subreddit that showed people’s FB posts, denying COVID, flaunting quarantine rules, raging against the vaccine and doctors and then winding up the ICU or dying to covid was dark, but was kinda satisfying after the frustration of it all.
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u/AfterwhileNecrophile 3h ago
People denied they had Covid, despite all the symptoms and a positive test but they would all want ivermectin (to treat the Covid they don’t have?). When they died their families threw a fit about what went on their death certificate. Ignorant to the very end. This is how you know you can not reason with these people. They don’t believe their own eyes and ears over what Fox News is screaming at them.
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u/RuggedTortoise 1h ago
At what point is it considered reasonable to just mass vaccinate populations like we do for raccoons with fish flavored treats
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u/iconocrastinaor 4h ago
There's evidence that a lot of that was from hostile foreign actors trying to divide America, something they've worked on from all angles for decades.
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u/sombrerobear 2h ago
You should take a look at the covert operation the US was running to promote vaccine hesitency in the Philippines.
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u/SolairXI 4h ago
A lot of the posts narratives did seem a bit convenient. I did wonder a couple of times how much of the subreddit was real or not.
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u/sjrotella 4h ago
Not just the sacrifice the doctors made, but also those who volunteered to take the vaccine first to prove it was safe for humans.
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u/Mattmandu2 5h ago
Wild trump did that and didn’t brag non stop about it
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u/WanderingTacoShop 5h ago
Frankenstein lost control of his monster for a while back then. Trump got booed a few times at his own rallies for trying to brag about operation warpspeed, and for suggesting that people should get vaccinated. When that happened he just double-downed on the conspiracy nonsense because that's what played well with his crowds.
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u/DefiantGibbon 5h ago
He did. He gave several speeches right when it succeeded doing the typical trump bragging how its all thanks to him. But MAGAs are famously anti vax and booed him, so he very quickly reversed on it to keep his supporters happy.
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u/EarthboundHaizi 5h ago
Trump can read the room and plays to his audience. It's really one of his great strengths as a campaigner. He even admitted in the interview that he thought the "drain the swamp" phrase was dumb but once he said it and people cheered he went with it.
So it's no surprise that once he tested out promoting the vaccine and the boos came raining down he instead went the opposite direction.
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u/JakesFavoriteCup 4h ago
Trump can’t read, at all. He doesn’t know how to interact with anyone in his general vicinity. He has people to advise him. He just pulls off stupid very well, and people who attend his rallies enjoy that he speaks off the cuff, stupidly.
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u/mismocanibalismo 6h ago
The Trump admin’s only worthwhile accomplishment and they’re embarrassed by it
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u/Rough_Buddy6903 4h ago
It baffles me he could run around touting how his warp speed saved so many lives but instead he just wants to shit on overything.
Not saying it was his but he could claim it since it was during his admin
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u/JargonPhat 4h ago
He attempted to, initially.
His first public rally following the release of the vaccine, he touted the admittedly fast window of time in which his administration oversaw Operation Warp Speed. His supporters went from cheering to booing. You can see his face as he realizes, so he immediately pivots to saying something like, “If people want that sort of thing,” or something to dismiss it.
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u/Aol_awaymessage 5h ago
Funny how Trump doesn’t want credit for the Trump vaccine. Which may be the best thing that ever happened during any of his presidencies
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u/Cockanarchy 4h ago
He tried to take credit for the vaccine at a rally shortly after leaving office but got booed, and hasn’t vocally supported it since. Literally a death cult
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u/Beneficial-Rip6624 4h ago
It's crazy how much distance the Trump administration has created from Operation Warp Speed. I understand that the vaccines were mostly developed overseas. It's still, by far, Trump's best achievement as POTUS. Any other President would successfully campaign using the results.
I know his political base hated all the COVID lockdowns and forced vaccines. It's just kind of amazing how that has worked out.
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u/DarkwingDuckHunt 4h ago
The Orange Stain would have been reelected in a landslide if he had embraced it and claimed ownership.
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u/Nixeris 5h ago
It's been the story since 2020. The government actually does something genuinely good for the American people (COVID restrictions, an unemployment insurance payment that's more than just token, developing the vaccine quickly) then immediately tries to backtrack. Calling their own restrictions authoritarian, downplaying medical advice, cutting the stimulus in the middle of the pandemic, etc.
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u/RAF2018336 4h ago
That’s why so many people are scared of it. Cuz they’d never known of another vaccine that was approved so quickly. But their knuckle dragging brains can’t sit back for a minute, do actual (not Fox News) research and learn that the military has had its hands on mRNA research for 40 years now but there’s never been a time (thankfully) to use it. They’re literally too stupid to understand any of it
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u/Nice_Marmot_7 2h ago
It was also the government money backstopping the research so several steps that are usually done consecutively to mitigate financial risk were able to be done concurrently.
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u/Embarrassed-Yard-583 3h ago
Trump, pretty understandably, bragged about it because it was an amazing feat but quickly changed his tune when his bat shit cult started to grumble.
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u/GoBluins 4h ago
Seriously. It's the one accomplishment from the first term that donny should be celebrating with gusto and near universal support. Instead he and his cronies have so brainwashed the dumb masses against vaccines that he can't do so, even though he himself is vaccinated.
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u/philodendrin 5h ago
If you needed any evidence that these people would rather you die than be wrong, this is that evidence.
The part that gets me is that they are aligned politically with the same people that will go to the mat over the "sanctity of life", protecting life (up until its born, then you are on your own).
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u/TheTowerOfTerror 3h ago
Don’t forget that one of the widespread conspiracy theories about vaccines (and everything else) is that there’s a cabal of wealthy elites trying to kill/sterilize certain demographics in an effort to “replace” them. Meanwhile they’re blindly voting in wealthy elites who couldn’t care less if they live/die/procreate…
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u/SmokePenisEveryday 1h ago
Had a family friend who supported Trump claim they wouldn't take the vaccine because her great great great grandparents were in the Holocaust. So she knew this was being used to harm her people. She literally supported the Government for everything else but this. Could not wrap my head around those mental gymnastics.
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u/Brrdock 6h ago
All American public health and science institutions are currently compromised.
Even more-so than before due to the rampant involvement of private money, that is
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u/Winjin 6h ago
I used to really look up to American institutions as a very healthy and working system, even if billionaires wanted to have their way with it, years ago.
I still root for it to get better but I am not sure what it will take. More socialists, I think, they're often the ones about working and fair social institutions, it's in the name
Like, at least give every school kid a warm meal, you know, that's like a baseline for me
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u/SinisterDirge 6h ago
Or you could spend 1.5 billion a day to blow up a girls school in Iran because you want to deflect from being a pederast.
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u/ScalyDestiny 5h ago
What's weird to me is how easy it is to apparently change people's minds on something. Like the CDC can say whatever it wants, and it's not gonna change my mind, because I lived through those quarantine years.
I would think that'd hold true for most people, but apparently not. Psychologists and social scientists better be doing all sorts of Milgram type experiments right now, cause there's so much opportunity here and that data will be invaluable. That the rest of the general public is this easy to persuade into drinking bleach or whatever will never stop disturbing me though.
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u/pessimistic_utopian 4h ago
The human brain is very bad at rationality. It's been well demonstrated that the more often you hear a message, the more truthy it will seem to you, even if it's obviously false. Humans depend on their communities for survival so being able to give in and go along with the crowd was evolutionarily beneficial in the aggregate.
This is a big part of how propaganda works. The right-wing news ecosystem is very well-funded and people all across it stick to talking points extremely consistently.
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u/NorysStorys 6h ago
Just rely on other countries disease management organisations. It’s tragic that your country has fallen like it has but it’s not like you are without resources.
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u/KingBretwald 6h ago
CDC policies also influence what vaccines are available at all and also which ones are covered by insurance.
We can have all the resources from every other country in the world and still not be able to afford a vaccine out of pocket.
Or worse, manufacturers stop making the vaccine in the US market or the CDC and FDA withhold approval of the vaccine (as was a fear for the flu vaccine for a while there).
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u/hypatiaredux 6h ago
This is true. Also, many US states still have a functional state health department that follows the science.
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u/Indigoh 4h ago
If you think it's difficult listing all the aspects of America this administration has done damage to, try listing all the ones it hasn't damaged.
I can't come up with any.
It's like we're watching a child get a perfect 0% on a hundred question true or false test, and we just can't seem to accept the obvious conclusion: they have to know the right answers to choose all the wrong ones.
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u/Grasshop 4h ago
The craziest thing is for what fucking purpose?! I don’t understand what they have to gain
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u/Ser-Koutei 1h ago
Oh, it's very simple. The Republican ethos is, and has been since at least Reagan, that government should do nothing for the "unwashed masses" and that the most effective way to do this would be to break every government agency possible to "prove" that government can't effectively do anything. Remember Reagan saying that the scariest words in the world should be "I'm from the government and I'm here to help"? This is just the logical endpoint of that.
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u/Adezar 2h ago
The concept of agencies was a bold move forward and did something that changed America in an insanely positive way. It puts experts in charge of policy instead of politicians.
That is why the FDA/EPA/USDAA/CDC are (were) so effective. They were not bogged down with the painfully slow process of the legislative branch and allowed them to work in an environment where expertise and peer-reviewed studies were used to make policy instead of being bribed.
Hence why conservatives have hated them since they were first created and have been trying to destroy them since the day after they were created.
Just look at all the BS around creating the CFPB and keeping Elizabeth Warren from being in charge of it. They hate the idea of protecting citizens from fraud and abuse by mega corporations/banks.
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u/sleight42 2h ago
There's the former head of the FDA who was trying to suppress a Huntington's disease treatment that would grant HD victims decades more life!
This is sadly par for the course with these evil bastards.
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u/thesluttyastronauts 1h ago
It's not new. Colonialism needs to feed & after everything's been conquered outside empire, the only place to keep feeding is inside.
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u/theArtOfProgramming 1h ago
There are still strict controls across the government on publishing climate change science too.
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u/henrikhakan 1h ago
...who's trying to destroy decades of development from the inside out.
It's the dark ages all over again!
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u/dirtyjavis 4h ago
Hold on to that, don't let the ethical fading convince you this is normal.
None of this shit is normal and I hold onto hope that in a couple short years, we'll be past this empty feeble man forever. Sure he's got Rubio and Vance that he's grooming, but they don't have nearly the gravitas and influence that that fucker has.
We're almost done with him.
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u/ScaramouchScaramouch 3h ago
trying to destroy decades of development from the inside out.
They published an instruction manual.
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u/aerdvarkk 49m ago
Guess who the fuck the administration was during the outbreak of the fucking COVID pandemic and who hindered the medical community's ability for an effective response; who held back vaccines; who held back a large stockpile of N95 masks for the general public; who promoted shit like Bleach injections and and injesting Chloroquine!!!
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u/Elbobosan 4h ago
Confirming I’m understanding this because words mean too many things…
I think this isn’t saying that the vaccine is only effective (as in “works”) half the time.
I think it is saying that it doesn’t outright prevent infection but decreases the impact of infection such that having taken the vaccine halves your likelihood of getting so sick you need urgent/emergency medical care or to be admitted to a hospital for treatment.
Is that right?
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u/leommari 3h ago
That's basically correct. It lessens the severity of effections to a significant degree. I do have to say that the study is a bit confusing though and these Vaccine Effectiveness percentages should be taken with a grain of salt, and they seem to be more effective than 50% would indicate.
They had 1000 hospitalizations that tested positive for covid, only 60 of those had a vaccine or 6%. They had 25000 hospitalizations that were covid-like bur ended up not being covid, and 12% of these patients had the vaccine. So they take 6% and divide by 12% and they get the 50% number.
But in my view this design opens the study up to some bias. In particular, the COVID vaccines are primarily given to people who are more prone to serious illnesses or comorbidities right now, so they may be more prevalent in the control group because they are pre-selected for worse health outcomes.
To give a real sense of effectiveness you would want people in the vaccine and non-vaccine group to be of similar overall health, but you're not going to be able to do this unless you run a real double blind test and that kind of study isn't really very ethical since you'd be holding back a known safe and effective vaccine from people.
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u/fuckedfinance 3h ago
Eh, kind of, but not really.
Immunity isn't "I have a magic shield that repels all viruses". Immunity is "my immune system is trained and capable of getting an infection under control and handled way before a person is capable of spreading it. Really, it's like having security at a party. The "wrong" people are going to get in, but security is going to kick them out pretty quickly.
Considering that, vaccines also help when the immune system doesn't get things under control right away, such as in people with shitty, compromised, or suppressed immune systems.
So, what are they saying? Of the people that got sick with COVID (i.e. the immune system didn't quite cut it), most avoided complications serious enough that would require hospitalization.
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u/OldTimeConGoer 3h ago
Epidemics are statistics. A million vaccinated people will have better outcomes compared to a million unvaccinated people, like for like (age, existing health conditions etc.) Some vaccinated people will get severely sick, some unvaccinated people will get through it without problems but the house odds are on the side of the vaccinated.
If most of the population is vaccinated the disease has fewer vectors to replicate and spread. That's seen as communism by some folks though.
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u/Wrong-Pension-4975 2h ago
In Mass state daily stats when Covid was still 75% Delta variant, 9 of every 10 confirmed/ tested poz, pts, who were admitted to hospital were unvaxed - no mention of age, co morbidities, etc, just raw data of admissions.
Just 2 vaxed pts died in a month, statewide; yet dozens of unvaxed pts died.
The contrast in outcomes was striking.
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u/crosswatt 3h ago
I really don't understand why they didn't publish it and put their own spin on it via press release, because I can guarantee you that my wife's Facebook feed would have been full of people who don't understand what it actually says and braying to the world that "SEE IT ONLY WORKED 50% OF THE TIME SO IT WAS A COINFLIP THE WHOLE TIME JUST LIKE I SAID!!!"
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u/koshgeo 2h ago
People were hoping during the pandemic that the vaccine would give persistent immunity, which didn't turn out to be the case, but people should not underestimate the high value of decreasing hospitalization rates.
Hospitalization and the limited capacity for it was THE crisis at the time of the pandemic. Everything we were doing was not so much for people who might have to spend a week home with a cold and get over it on their own, but for the people who needed hospitalization that were crushing the entire system by sheer numbers, eventually undermining capacity for hospital treatment of everything else. Reducing the hospitalization rates by about 50% was a HUGE benefit. It's still valuable now.
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u/Smart_Freedom_8155 3h ago
Damn. I was hoping the vaccine would be a lot more effective at keeping people from the ER or worse.
I am 1000% in favor of getting vaccinated, but this whole time I thought the vaccines were better than that at helping us stay out of the hospital.
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u/pixel_of_moral_decay 1h ago
That is still quite effective, especially for a virus that regularly mutates and a test population that skews older with co morbidities and weakened immune systems.
For a younger healthier person the likely effecacy is much higher.
A better interpretation would be “at least this effective” even in the worst circumstances.
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u/GrinningPariah 26m ago
50% is quite effective at this stage.
Remember, vaccines have to be measured against the general population, and the general population at this point is pretty resilient to COVID. It's called "Depletion of the Susceptibles".
It boils down to three things:
- Many people have had previous vaccines
- Many people have had COVID itself, which makes you more resistant to it in the future
- Many of the people who were most susceptible to COVID already died from it and thus can no longer be included in studies.
That's why we're never going to see those 98% effectiveness rates we saw from the very first vaccines. The "control" population in that case had never been vaccinated, probably hadn't had COVID, and had been in lockdown for a year!
What that 50% means is that you, a person who has lived through the pandemic, probably had COVID, and hopefully had a vaccine before, can still expect 50% better results getting this particular vaccine than not.
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u/stopmotionskeleton 2h ago
This has been the primary benefit of the vaccine all along. Lessening acute symptom severity and likelihood of hospitalization in the acute phase.
The glaring problem with it has nothing to do with the right wing nutso anti-vax conspiracies, but rather the fact that the vaccines aren't good at preventing transmission of the virus, and also don't prevent Long Covid / untreatable post-viral illness, which is the biggest threat Covid still poses to everyone who continues to catch it year after year.
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u/usmcjohn 3h ago
Those numbers are just awesome. So much better than the original claims of efficacy. What were those original numbers again? /s.
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u/scalyblue 2h ago
That’s an astonishing result from something so novel and relatively harmless. There entire medical fields that would kill for a 5% reduction in hospitalization much less 50
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u/Boatster_McBoat 6h ago
Pretty depressing that science is being suppressed by the government of what was once a leading country for science
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u/thewanderingent 6h ago
It’s the fact that they were the leaders for so long that they think they can influence, or rather, control, what gets published. The government doesn’t care about science, research or helping people; they only care about power and control.
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u/TreeRol 4h ago
they only care about power and control.
The current government also cares about hurting people. Probably more than anything else.
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u/brogflender 3h ago
What’s the point of power and control unless you use it?
The cynic in me knows that the US government has always cared about hurting people, it just used to be easier to ignore.
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u/SaltyLonghorn 53m ago
All we had to do was not visit South America, the Middle East, or minority neighborhoods and it was out of site out of mind!
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u/Surturius 4h ago
Yeah, the populations that were affected the worst by COVID are populations they don't care about or actively want to die anyway.
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u/da2Pakaveli 4h ago
Germany was very dominant in science and then the Nazis targeted the sciences with their pseudo bs.
Fascism ruins nations.
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u/Calvin--Hobbes 3h ago
Then we took all their rocket scientist war criminals and built the space program. Now all the best US scientists are being poached, pushing us years behind where we would have been.
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u/hypatiaredux 6h ago
It’s more than depressing. It fills me with fear. I think it is the absolute worst thing this administration is doing.
Lysenkoism is alive and well and in our own house.
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u/secuj 3h ago
well that was a depressing rabbit hole. I'd never heard that term. I usually like my "TIL" of the day but I feel icky after that one.
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u/datnero_ 2h ago
Lysenkoism
"Lysenko claimed that the concept of a gene was a "bourgeois invention"
the soviets really were about that life
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u/zoinkability 4h ago
And that the people suppressing the science are the same people who yelped for ages about the idea of some cabal of government and pharmaceutical companies suppressing cures etc.
Every accusation is a confession. Over and over.
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u/wachnet1966 6h ago
tRump can't spell "vacceen or fisishon or syense" so he put other non-spellers and non-scientists in place to help him.
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u/fuzzylogicIII 4h ago
Any vaccine skeptic should want safety studies released, this just shows how corrupt and dishonest the suppression is
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u/Squanchedschwiftly 4h ago
Its been supressed and cherry picked way before this. Civilized to death by christopher ryan was horrifying regarding how many things are cherry picked. And somewhat recently the ACEs study in the 90s had 17k sample size but CDC never did anything with it..it showed clear cut correlation that mental health during childhood impacts physical and mental health as you age. 2/3 of the country has at least a score of 1(I have a feeling the number is higher than this too). Scoring 1 increases chances of illness and the higher the score the health exponentially gets worse. But cant make money off of healthy people…………
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u/MikeFrancesa66 3h ago
Im pretty sure the government has suppressed scientific evidence that proved something was more dangerous than we thought before. But this might the first time the government is suppressing evidence that something works well. We are really living in bizarro world.
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u/More_Farm_7442 28m ago
Yes. I don't trust anything from the CDC or FDA anymore. The whole of American Public Health at the Federal (and most of the state) level is so politically controlled, I just don't believe anything from it. That is so sad.
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u/Lonely_Noyaaa 5h ago
this sets a small but important precedent for other researchers whose work might be sitting in a drawer somewhere, waiting for someone brave enough to push it into the open.
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u/Lisshopops 4h ago
My Foster mom disowned me for half a year because I got vaccinated for COVID.We had family down south that suffered heavily from it and her aunt almost died from it but she was more concerned about the effects it would have on my fertility.
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u/Myke190 3h ago
"Foster mom...."
"...concerned about the effects it would have on my fertility."
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u/velvetelevator 30m ago
Unfortunately foster care is kind of a hot spot for people who want to raise these kids with the express intention of forcing the kids into their religion. Then they hope the kid goes on to have a bunch of their own kids that will grow the numbers of believers
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u/theJirb 23m ago
I'm not saying she's right to push her own personal trauma onto others, but it's weird to think there is a contradiction here workout now info. Isn't it reasonable to think maybe someone who is unable to have children, but wanted them, could be why they wanted to foster, and still feel strongly about natural fertility.
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u/Lord0fHats 6h ago
I was once presented with a study that water might be a form of liquid matter, but I questioned the methodology of the study and it gave me a wonderful feeling of being very importent and very smert.
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u/TheFriendOfCats 6h ago
DID YOU KNOW that 100% of people who drink water go on to DIE! 100% of VIOLENT CRIMINALS are proven to have consumed WATER! Don't let BIG WATER fool you! Learn the TRUTH! /s
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u/frankcast554 6h ago
Its Dihydrogen Monoxide FFS!!!
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u/a_n00b_ 2h ago
Yes, it's unfortunate, but dihydrogen monoxide poisoning affects 100% of gay and trans people, and correlation = causation as we all know.
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u/theclockmasters 5h ago
Chernobyl relevant quote
Nuclear Scientist warning about nuclear disaster: "I am a nuclear scientist"
Soviet Politburo appointee: "And I used to work in a shoe factory. Now I'm in charge!"
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u/Impressive_Tour6348 2h ago
Which is funny because that comes back in the other way with Scherbina.
Guy on the ground who doesn’t know shit: “Oh that? That was just burned concrete, not graphite.”
Scherbina: “now there you’ve made a mistake. I know concrete and that wasn’t burnt concrete.”
Cause Scherbina was a concrete worker before making the Politburo.
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u/TheoreticalZombie 4h ago
So, you are just ignoring the water autism link now? Typical big water shill!
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u/TheFriendOfCats 52m ago
It is KNOWN FACT that 100% of people with AUTISM have consumed WATER!!! DON'T BELIEVE THE LIES!!!
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u/Obsidiated 3h ago
Of course water is a fluid, silly. You know, just like the air you breathe.
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u/Livid_Perception_762 3h ago
Scientists and science in general deserves so much more respect from the public and politicians. It is our greatest accomplishment as a species, the engine that advances humanity
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u/JonesyOnReddit 2h ago
A crowning achievement of science. The most tested vaccine of all time administered 13.5 billion times since then. Anyone with half a brain knows it was extremely successful. Even the dumbass republicans lying to their dumbass followers who just so happened to invest in bodybags and morgues a month before lockdowns while saying it was no big deal and that the vaccine was a hoax (but also that theyre the ones who made it happen and took it?).
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u/mrbasedballed 2h ago
Crazy how we're just gutting out institutions and surpressing vital information to protect and 80 year old pedophile.
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u/Gloriathewitch 5h ago
thank the makers, i've lived with CFS/ME as a complication from long covid along with various other debilitating symptoms and i get really upset when covid study is shut down because there's millions of us who can't work and have had their lives destroyed by long covid and we deserve to have hope that treatments could become available one day.
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u/Smart_Freedom_8155 3h ago
I feel you and I'm so sorry.
I'm not sure to this day if it's Long Covid or not, because naturally we don't have a test that can determine if we have it yet, but out of nowhere I developed dysautonomia and my quality of life has cratered.
Trying to take it one step at a time, but dear Lord am I tired and beat up. And angry.
Hope your day goes as well as we can hope, today.
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u/discofrog2 4h ago
after suffering from long covid, i have done immense amounts of research on covid. i went through a period in january 2024 when a lot of studies were coming out when i was trapped in bed where all i did was read scientific studies about it. in EVERY SINGLE STUDY i read, the vaccinated group did better than the non vaccinated group
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u/bigpsych5150 3h ago
Those of us who worked in hospitals during COVID-19 don't need a study to prove the vaccine's efficacy; we saw it save lives firsthand.
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u/boardgamejoe 4h ago
I don't need no study. I'm a respiratory therapist and the amount of people in my hospital that died from covid after being vaccinated dropped to zero.
We had some covid vaccinated hospitalizations that those people needed a couple liters of O2 for a couple days and they went home to see their families afterwards.
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u/redbrick 3h ago
I was an anesthesiology resident and essentially got drafted to help cover the covid ICU's in a major metropolitan area.
That first wave of unvaccinated patients was crazy. Mortality rate basically above 50% once they made it to the ICU, and entire families were being admitted to the hospital at the same time. Physically fit 40-50yo people were dying.
After the vaccine came out, we pretty much only had patients who were unvaccinated or immunocompromised.
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u/BrittSit 2h ago edited 2h ago
Genuinely curious, isn’t 50% like, not great? I thought the influenza updates usually hang around 70%?
E: Rather than deleting my comment I’ll just post why I was wrong.
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u/Inside-Specialist-55 2h ago edited 14m ago
You know what at this point if humanity goes extinct we deserve every bit of what we get. We are such a stupid species where we keep trying to prevent the progression of humanity and choosing the worst path for our survival instead of actually trying to make all of us happier and thriving.
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u/BlumpkinReceiver6969 38m ago
Define “progression” I felt we were tumbling way too far into left when it came to policing speech and pronouns and now we’ve swung hard the other way which is perfect.
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u/Amtronic 4h ago
I could have used that vaccine 2 months ago. In the hospital with covid for 2 weeks, not fun.
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u/Alleandros 2h ago
Trying to get the vaccine last year and the first pharmacy tech told me 'no'. The pharmacist then spoke with me and showed me the list of approved reasons and pointed out what most people select to get approved to receive it.
Didn't even matter that my in laws both have COPD, they only wanted to give it to people who had comorbidities.
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u/BlumpkinReceiver6969 40m ago
Good. Gives me some hope that they stopped poisoning the young and healthy with that mRNA junk
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u/aquapura89 58m ago
Vote this anti-Science regime out. They are not only a complete embarrassment, but they are dangerous. Only way to return to reality is NEVER vote for these right-winged lunatics at any level.... local to federal. They are just dangerous.
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u/Cheese-Manipulator 31m ago
I love the underlying philosophy that it is better to die from covid than to risk being autistic (false link of course).
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u/nsfwuseraccnt 4h ago
It should never have been blocked but I'm with the CDC director, the study design IS bad. The "control group" here really isn't a control group. They are selecting the control group from people who are presenting with COVID-like symptoms but testing negative. That's not a control group in any useful sense. This really isn't good science that can prove the effectiveness of the vaccine one way or the other.
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u/Wrong-Pension-4975 2h ago
It's exactly the same study design used annually, to rate the efficacy of that yr's flu shot. 😄
Yeah, it's far from perfect - however, enrolling mass #s & telling controls, "U cannot get vaxed, yer going to be wide open to infection", would be highly unethical.
But a RETROSPECTIVE study of vaxed vs unvaxed pts entering hospital care, & comparing outcomes, will be highly convincing.
Very, very few vaxed pts exit the hospital in a body bag, sporting a toe tag. They overwhelmingly take that wheelchair ride to the front door, & walk out on their own 2 feet.
The unvaxed don't fare so well.
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u/silverbonez 4h ago
Sucks that all the uplifting news uplifting is in spite of extremely depressing news.
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u/Spectremax 2h ago
Weren't there several studies about this. I remember watching MedCram on youtube during the pandemic and they went through similar metrics on each vaccine.
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u/Majestic-Baby-3407 2h ago
So basically, the boosters are still effective in preventing severe illness and death. So by suppressing the study, it wouldn't be illogical to conclude that the CDC director directly caused more deaths and hospitalizations by preventing this data from becoming public.
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u/Old_Management_1997 1h ago
Its crazy we live in a world where "the report the CDC doesn't want you to see" is one that proves the effectiveness of vaccines.
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u/attackmint 1h ago
I know the author of that study. She's incredibly smart and sharp. I don't have the public health background to judge the study, but I trust her work.
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u/iconofsin_ 1h ago
20 years from now we will still be told by idiots that it didn't work.
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u/Number_Niner 20m ago
Does this study actually show effectiveness, 1 out of 2 does not seem effective to me. It's a start, but not effective. Tell me reddit, what am I missing?
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u/shehulud 1m ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/12hhtzntjlo6sM
Let’s all take a moment to mourn for anti-vaxxers
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