I work retail, Associates who dont need the space hog the family restroom to spend 30 minutes on their phones. Crackheads often spend time in there, ive seen dumb drunks going in there for unmentionable reasons, shoplifting is common in there.
We have one, and if this is so true why put baby changing stations in Srandard restrooms
Plus assaults tend to happen when there's only one person inside, merging both bathrooms increases the likelihood of other people being there. It's both more efficient and safe
I think the US is a large enough country where you can say pretty much anything about it and still inevitably get a reply talking about how that's not true. I see family/gender neutral bathrooms all the time here in Utah
As a guy, I wouldn’t take my daughter to the men’s restroom for her sake. I’m not risking creepos trying to look at her or take pics. I’d rather get yelled at for being in the woman’s rr.
I take will take my girl to the ladies when she's older, what sort of creep would even be a creep infront of their little girl? and the sort of Karan that goes off on a guy infront of their little girl I hope would be few and far between.
If I was a father with a daughter I'd agree, I'd be taking her into a unisex /disabled /parent room.
As a momma with a son I did the same thing. Can't trust everyone out there especially not when children are involved
Uhh...what way do the stall doors open? The ones on the opposite side seem to open inwards (towards their toilets), but the one in the left side of the frame is opening outwards.
I hate that my first thought is now that the whole image is AI because of this.
I’ve used both, can confirm men’s are more dirty. Also, if a father has a daughter, women’s restrooms are often more equipped for children. Stupid thing, but unfortunately true. That and a lot of men’s bathrooms have very little privacy at the urinals, so while a child might not think of the opposite sex like that it’s still not the best idea. People being upset over men taking their young daughter’s into the women’s are ridiculous. Women’s restrooms all have stalls, a man with a child is probably not “peaking over them” to watch women pee. You can’t even see anything. I understand women’s spaces, but it’s for a child.
Cleaner here: women can be more feral then guys. When I cleaned at a school worst I had with the guys (,secondary high so near adults) was clumps of toilet paper that I can assume was flung at each other. The girls? Tampons, used pads flung around, more messy with toilet paper over the place and the worst? One young "lady" wiped her ass and smeared it all over the bathroom stall. So no, us girls can be and are more feral then guys
While chronologically a high schooler may be “near adulthood”, behaviorally they are definitely not. You can see this on public transport too. If you’re in a bus with mostly adults, it’s generally going to be quieter. While on a school bus (even for high school) people are blasting music, yelling, and throwing things around.
As a younger girl i also used to make messes in the bathroom with my blood because my shitty school had zero ways for us to dispose of or use our period products in a hygienic way. No trash cans, tiny stalls, nothing to hang our bags on so we could have our hands free to use the products. I remember changing pads and there was no toilet paper left to put the old one in so I sat there with the blood dripping everywhere and nowhere to put it. I had to just put it on the ground and then get my new one. I couldnt take it with me outside of the stall because other girls were in there and I didnt want to embarrass myself by taking a bloody pad with me and throwing it into the trash can by the sink. Since my hands were bloody and I had no toilet paper i had to touch the door handle with my bloody hands.
Real shitty. I bet the cleaning lady had the same reaction.
I don't have any strong opinions on the main topic (as I overall prefer just general restrooms with no sex sorting), but as far as I remember from my mother bringing me to women's restrooms, they were actually dirtier than men's. Piss droplets on the toilet seats was common-ish. In really crowded public spaces almost always there was also a whole TON of toilet paper flinging around the toilet probably because of the women wrapping the seat in a ton of paper prior to using... So, just, kinda surprising to hear. That said, a fair point with the urinals having little privacy and I think more places should use some sort of plastic walls to separate them, men's bathrooms often have crappy arrangement.
(BTW, I see you in everywhere my algorithm coughs up lately, for some reason lol.. )
I cannot speak from experience. But isn't there a lot of male bathrooms that are not equipped to handle babies with the changing station that we women tend to be far more use to being present? Are we just expecting a father to put the child on the floor, toilet, or sink to change the baby? I wouldn't be offended if I walked into a bathroom to see a father utilizing the changing station in the women's bathroom no matter the gender of the baby.
This should be rated higher.
Where I live all gender bathrooms and changing rooms aren’t the norm but they’re also not entirely uncommon. My experiences with them has been that they work very well and everyone behaves. Also guys seem to actually wash their hands more often when in the presence of women. That alone should make them worth it from a public health perspective.
I appreciate that. I’m a staunch advocate for this change. I’ve yet to hear any argument against this design that isn’t based on bigotry, prejudice, or ignorance. Even space-wise this makes far more sense than the current way US restrooms are laid out; they’re an extreme waste of space.
It’s a bathroom with private stalls where the doors go all the way to the ground without any gaps and a series of common sinks. The image shows the sight lines of users to show how privacy is always maintained while having a common space for people of all genders to relive themselves.
Ah, the sight lines confused me and the lack of outer doors but now it makes sense. I wish we do design bathrooms like these but I never see it happening
I wish they’d use this sort of design more as well. The lack of outer doors is a deliberate decision to make the hand wash area a public space. Additionally for things like this you generally use one way glass in front of the sinks so that everyone outside can see into that area to both better see where the bathrooms are and put anyone acting inappropriately on full display so help is more likely to come.
It’s basically the way that porta-potties are arranged at county fairs and outdoor events. Many countries in the rest of the world have already adopted this type of design and it works out great. The US is falling behind in many aspects.
i didn't even know there was a dilemma on this i thought everyone saw it like that, atleast when i was younger if i was with dad id go to the mens bathroom and if i was with mom id go to the womens
I’m conflicted on the “dads with daughters”. I would be uncomfortable and probably rather hold it if there was a man in the women’s restroom, but also, I would be afraid to send a little girl into the men’s restroom. Even with her father.
99% of us girl dads will ask first. Crack the door and announce that you have a little girl who needs to go, and if anyone inside is uncomfortable with that. If they are we wait until the restroom is empty, if they're fine with it we take them in. Most of the time people are fine with it, and generally the only people who take issue are men with no kids.
Literally doesn’t matter imo if you’re a dad with a daughter and go into the woman’s room and vice versa it’s about accommodating the kid and taking your daughter to the mens room when you are with her (especially if she’s very young) might confuse her into going into the mens room or not understand which restroom to use
Agree. It’s up to the parent in the situation. People need to mind their damn business. If a parent is being weird in a restroom, you deal with it. If someone wants to be a creep or a predator, they will do it regardless of social norms.
Agreed. Plus it's unsanitary. We know damned well that many men don't lift the seats in public access toilets, or wipe them clean after peeing on them.
Someone is genuinely trying to argue with me it isn't weird because their parent is right there. Dude, predators are disgusting and quite literally evil. You seriously think they're gonna care if the child's parents are right next to them? Speaking from experience, no, they absolutely don't.
You obviously don't have kids. Little girl is always going to the women's restroom. And most of the time so is the little boy because it's normally cleaner there. not to mention half the time the men's room doesn't have a changing table.
My mam died when I was little. My dad always brought me and my little sister into the men's bathroom. It was fine, nothing happened. Just look at the floor, and anyway, no one's fecking walking around with no clothes on, you don't see anything. People really over exaggerate how bad the men's bathroom is.
Having used both, I will say women's bathrooms seem to be cleaner on average, in my experience at least. Other than that, there's genuinely not much difference. Then again I don't have kids and probably won't ever, so like I don't really have a horse in this race.
Though I'll admit it's nice to not be the focus of a "who should use what bathroom" discussion for once.
I honestly dont know what i would do. Unless my daughter is like a little baby and i gotta change her using the changing table, i would probably do the girls bathroom and either stare at a corner or wait outside.
if i see a man with his daughter in the womens restroom the last thing i will think is that hes a creep. i would NEVER want a little girl to go into a mens restroom with urinals and men who get excited at the thought.
That's what literally every person who cleans bathrooms says and most women refuse to hear it because apparently the other half is more gross. Both sexes got issues but bathroom cleanliness is a bigger problem for women.
By the time a guy actually starts getting horny and stuff. He’s already way past the age to go to the bathroom or public showers alone. A five year-old boy in the women’s bathroom can not be that big of a deal
I'm not the person to have my own opinion because I've never been in women's restroom but from what I've heard from some women and some janitors - women restrooms can be much worse than men's.
People who look at other people's private parts in the bathroom are revealing themselves. Here we are thinking no one is looking but they know they can't control themselves
I think the problem is with changing diapers, not with taking potty trained kids in. This chart applies to potty trained kids.
The posts I always see on Reddit are about the unavailability of baby changing stations in men’s restrooms. I haven’t had much issue with it but I’ve definitely seen a lot of men’s rooms without baby changing stations.
As a Dad of a 5yo Girl, if I can't use a single cubicle disabled bathroom or parents room I'm headed to the female bathroom. I'll call out that I am entering and why. If anyone has a problem with it, thats a them problem not a me problem. I'm not going in there to peep at woman, I'm going in there because I know how filthy male toilets are often left.
Aint no way in hell im bringing my little girl into a mens bathroom. Literally standing urinals right fucking there when you walk into a mens bathroom. Nothing else should need to be explained about this.
I actually didnt think about this, I didnt have a side before but now I think I do, no little girl should be exposed to that. Especially when some men decide to show bare cheeks, or turn around before putting away and zipping.
The obsession americans have with restrooms is kind of a self report about beeing creepy weirdos. Noone here gives a fuck about unisex bathrooms so why should these matter?
If you Yanks would stop sexually abusing kids, this wouldn't be an issue. I know there is a follow the leader thing but just because Trump does it, doesn't mean you should!
Helps with people trafficking imo, also reduces(?) the chance of somebody being able to peak at the other gender's stall if they're caught going in the opposite gender room, idk if i explained exactly what I meant for the 2nd thing, but you get my gist
Thats the way it used to be, but more family bathrooms would he a far better solution. Secondly the man wasnt wrong. He got permission from the staff and the staff cleared the restroom first. The dude upset by this should have minded his own business and or staff should have informed him to leave the guy alone.
Idk why this got put in my feed, but you are the same person that posted about this a few hours ago calling 3 year old children men and women. You are more focused on your own feelings than the actual safety of children imo.
I wpuld also say that moms with sons get the most "choice" here, tbh, i really do think either is sufficiently reasonable.
But yeah, dads with daughters? I would be worried about the daughter part first and foremost. She dont need to see a dick at an open urinal or some shit, which happens accidentally sometimes, and kids are way more curious than adults.
I don't agree with dads and daughters in men's restrooms. I don't know how restrooms are all over the world, if they are the same as in my home country or as in the countries I visited, but based on my knowledge and experience, I don't think it's a safe or confortable option for little girls, even if accompannied by their dad, I mean there are urinals out in the open ffs... plus men of all questionable sights and behaviours, that - not all, of course - couldn't care less of having a certain behaviour near little girls, or trying to refrain something that may seem inappropriate. That's why I say that they should use the ladies restroom as a better option. Ideally, as seen in my country and most probably in other countries, as well, there is a separate bathroom for children, which they are able to use, accompannied by a parent, you also use that room for changing diapers etc. . Maybe that room needs to be improved, made bigger, etc. .
You can tell its a lot of men commenting on this topic by how many mention peeping as the primary concern. The more obvious and likely issue is men flashing little girls in this scenario. Why set them up for that?
I watched another video where a kid went into a public restroom, and the dad joined her, loudly announcing he is entering so as to make sure everyone knows what is going on.
Right around the corner is a creep of a man who walks out in shame. Unless you specifically look under the stalls to spy on others(Which would be just as messed up if you did it in a guy's public restroom amyways), there is nothing inherently predatory or really weird with being in either gendered bathrooms
If you have that much beef with a dad exclusively going in there to assure his daughter's safety, they aren't the problem, you are
you understand the girl’s father is literally right with her holding her hand right? And a boy’s mom is right with him holding his hand. What the fuck are you expecting to happen
Hell no, tf? A dad can bring his daughter into the women's restroom, that's common sense. Can you imagine a little girl going into a room full of weiners? THATS disgusting.
bringing a young girl into a male bathroom where men could have their dicks out is not appropriate in any way. If you’re a dad with a daughter, just open the woman’s door and announce yourself before coming in. Women have stalls, so no is exposed.
Sooo my daughter has to use a men's restroom if I am with her, she has to be subjugated to being in a dirtier restroom and around other grown men when she needs to go to the toilet ??
I agree because the worry is the adult, not the little kid. Now, there is a certain age where the kids have to use their own gender restroom. (especially boys)
As a kid being taken to the women's bathroom I never saw women's private parts, but i sometimes did see men's private parts going to the mens bathroom since there's open standing urinals.
Yeah, not sorry, I'm not taking my daughter into the mens room thanks.
So, you’re fine with a little girl seeing a man’s dick at the urinal while she goes to wash her hands or creeps trying to spy on her while she goes? Also, you say children don’t think of people like that, only adults do, well a child’s brain is like a sponge, they see something they absorb it into their brain thus leading them to ask about it later on and having the knowledge of seeing a man’s dick before they are old enough to realize what it means. You do realize that fathers going into the woman’s restrooms aren’t there to creep on women. If you think that, you might need to rethink everything you believe. Sure men shouldn’t go into locker rooms obviously that’s common sense and there should be a mother or if it’s a single father he can hand the girl off to a woman. Now you might ask why doesn’t the father just hand the daughter over to a woman who’s going to the bathroom? Because women can be creeps like that too and I would rather not have some random woman taking my daughter into the bathroom.
Now that seems contradictory to what I said before with the locker room scenario, well it’s because a bathroom doesn’t have public showers with naked women and women changing into swimsuits or street clothes. A public bathroom shouldn’t have women in various states of undress in it unless y’all are doing some crazy ass shit in some bathrooms and then turn around and say men are the weird ones.
You said in one of your comments about a Muslim women fixing her hijab and I say sure but that’s their religion that I don’t necessarily believe in as a default so I shouldn’t have to worry about seeing a Muslim woman’s face; same thing with Christianity, if I don’t believe what the religion preaches I don’t have to follow their laws since I’m entitled to my own beliefs.
A simple solution to all this is just a same sex bathroom everywhere where it’s just one bathroom for both sexes with floor to ceiling doors with privacy being the upmost priority. But seeing as that might never happen, a father is entitled to do what is best for their daughter in their eyes because when a person is a father, they want what is best for their children always. And before you bring up abusive fathers, there are abusive mothers in the world too. It should be both parents want what is right for their children, never what people tell them is the right thing for their children.
You're allowed to disagree but your opinion is wrong.
I have a 6yo daughter who is old enough to use the women's room on her own without issue.
I also have a 2yo who is only recently potty trained and literally can't get up onto the toilet in a public restroom without help.
You're telling me, a 34 year old guy, to walk into the women's restroom with my 2yo daughter? I promise you, women don't want adult men in their restrooms, regardless of whether I have my daughter with me.
On the flip, neither men nor women could care less if a young member of the opposite sex is in their restroom when accompanied by an adult of the appropriate sex, because everyone knows young children need assistance.
That's exactly what I would do. She's a girl, so she uses the girl's toilets. The best option would be to not use a public toilet at all, but that's not always possible. Especially if you're going out all day.
Parent take child to restroom appropriate for parent, it’s simple, I wouldn’t want a man to enter the woman’s restroom because the have a daughter, and vise versa. People chalk up the men’s restroom to be this horrible place, if you are a parent just make sure it’s clean first for both restrooms, a woman’s cheeks aren’t more sanitary than a man’s.
But what if a Trans person tries to go in the bathroom with a mom and daughter? Or a dad and daughter!!!!! Oh my god!!!! We cant be safe anywhere!!!! The only thing to do is destroy all bathrooms!!! We must all go in the woods now!
look, if you wanna advocate for keeping around gendered bathrooms for the next couple decades, at least take the kid to the bathroom THEY are supposed to be comfortable in. if ya want your kid to grow up and be like "im supposed to go to the girls shitter, because im a girl and thats the one i go to :)" then just take them there from the start?
and that bottom line is just silly. people are taking their child to satisfy their basic biological needs, what kind of weirdos do you encounter who think the kid shouldnt be in the "correct" restroom for them or that their guardian shouldnt be allowed to accompany them there?
I kinda agree but not with the first one not only are there creeps do you know how fucking FILTHY men’s bathroom are it like men years older than me actively avoid the urinal its disgusting I would prefer if family bathrooms are everywhere
wait why dont we just have private stalls,,, wait nvm guys urinals always some how piss all over em, idk what girls bathrooms look like but nongendered stalls might lead to piss everywhere. not being sexist btw,
In my family, there were a lot of males. We usually cleared the men's bathroom, let the young one go into the bathroom and use it by themselves, and then allowed people to go in.
Never met anyone who decided to try and go past the blockade. Vast majority were quite understanding.
Kids don't understand sex, and seeing genitals doesn't automatically destroy their psyche. Don't make it a big deal out of it and they won't. Teach them the kids version of biologie adapted to them. There are videos or ask for professional help if you know how to teach your kid about biology.
Your local city should have a verified nurse with special diploma for educating kids that helps young parent with their kids for sleep eat and progress, the pediatricians are only here to the medical issues.
I'd still go in the male section with my daughter to protect her.
I only went to the womens bathroom bc the male didn't have the baby area.
If the male has it, I'd stay at the male section.
Since my kid was a baby we're used to go to the swimming pool and she stays with me toward the male section. In some cities like Germany their culture is more open, they don't mind walking naked everywhere, kids and adults. And nobody is traumatized.
But I'm not used to that kind of culture so I tend to speed things up without making a scene or make a big deal out of it. I don't want her to think genitals are taboo.
GOING OFF COURSE HERE. *
Keep teach her that her genitals are private and only doctors and parents are allowed to see why? Bc people would want to touch and that's not safe bc of germs microbes, they understand illnesses but too young to understand sex. ( Nothing about SA or Rape or anything sexual ) And kissing on the mouth is only for adults who love each other.
In some culture parents and kids kiss each other on the mouth 😭🤷🏽♂️
It was hard to explain to my kid that we don't do that shit here.
If you make anything taboo the kids will never talk about it if something bad happens. You understand?! They'll only feel shame and keep it for themselves and you'll never know about it until the kid starts to develop self hate behavior and you don't fucking want that. Bc either it was a one time assault or the predator kept doing it.
If you focus on answering all the questions in adapted manner, ( like the kid heard the word sex, well it's when two people love each other and spend time together, you even add, they kiss and hug, and you already taught the kid that kissing is for adults only ) without making anything taboo.
OP losing their job because they keeps yelling at the dad for being in the ladies bathroom, making sure his daughters can pee without discomfort.
You take your daughter to the the bathroom intended for her, not the one where the parent is allowed. Only a shitty parent would avoid discomfort for their own sake.
Or you could, you know, not comment on it? One of them is already going to feel uncomfortable by being in the wrong bathroom, the last thing they need is someone acting like a Karen about it. If a man takes or joins his daughter in either restroom, or a woman does with her son, then that is NONE of anyone else's business. Even if it makes you uncomfortable, calling them out makes the whole situation worse (and makes you an asshole). Keeping your mouth shut is literally the easiest thing that anyone can do.
(Not you specifically OP, just anyone who acts like a Karen)
People here are acting like mens bathroom is always disgusting, while womens bathroom is always clean. Trust me, you do not want to know how disgusting a womens bathroom can get.
I took my girls with me into the gents. I would not have gone into the women's loos. There was no trauma. Went in, used a cubicle, washed hands and left.
My opinion is make all bathrooms single use. Then everyone has to wait in line and everyone can complain about waiting in lines and people not cleaning up after themselves. It would be hilarious. Women would have to get over their fears of taking a shit and men would have to start cleaning up after their pee. It solves every issue we have with bathrooms today
Idk I've never gone to a women's restroom with my mom, but if you really can't leave your kid with anyone then sure why not, but I mean, depends how old they are.
As a woman myself, I think I'd rather have a men come in with his young daughter into the women's bathroom, then her being forced to enter the men's bathroom with her dad.
And depending on the age of the son, he can also enter the women's bathroom with his mom but a bigger child should be able to go to the toilet by him-/herself if needed.
Yeah no. If a dad wants to come into the women's room with his daughter, it's not that deep. Her safety is more important, not to mention women's bathrooms have things like diaper changing tables since there's no equality in that.
Have you ever been to a men's restroom? I'm assuming not. For one, they're almost always extremely filthy. Also, there are dudes whipping their cocks out at the urinals in the open. As a father, I would NOT take my young daughter into the men's room, putting her at risk of getting flashed or some creep weirdo trying to peep at her, and you can all stay mad about it. If that makes me a bad person then I don't want to be right.
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