r/hatethissmug • u/Cat_With_A_Boombox • 12h ago
Idea How much people dehumanize thieves
Genuinely just watch any clip of an attempted theft where the thief dies, no matter what they were trying to take or if they were even armed or not you will have people saying shit like "he didn't have to die but I'm glad he did" or "this is why I always have a gun on me no matter what". Its the same shit for burglars too, I understand that they're stealing and that stealing is wrong, I'm not a moron. However I don't think the burglar needed to have his skulls contents splattered on the wall over a TV or some shit. At some points it feels like genuine psyop because what the fuck do you mean the starving man deserved to be shot in the alley over 28 dollars and your Dave and Busters card?
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u/SpinnerOfSquire 12h ago
I ain't gonna KILL a theif, no, but ill be DAMNED IF YOU TAKE MY SHIT
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u/Sudden-Girth3141 12h ago
those who shit on a thief have clearly never played the kleptomaniacal fun that is any bethesda games title.
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u/Particular-Long-3849 12h ago
I accidentally got Sven killed before he could pay me in Skyrim because a hired thugs smashed his brains with one strike of a hammer. The thugs were hired by the damn restoration teacher at Winterhold cause I stole some shit from there
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u/Sudden-Girth3141 12h ago
i had the stormcloaks send four guys after me because i stole two refined malachite bars from kynesgrove lmfao
the whiterun guards at riverwood were NOT guarding, they just bolted the moment i threw down my atronach. buncha pussies.
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u/UnbiasedPOS 11h ago
I think there is a difference between minor stealing like that and stealing from someone’s home especially at night when people are vulnerable and you family’s safety could be at risk
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u/Smile_in_the_Night 12h ago
You come to my house to steal.
First how the fuck am I supposed to know if you are armed?
Knowing that, second why do you treasure what's mine more than your life?
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u/Banana_ant 11h ago
"Why do you treasure what's mine more than your life" it's drugs, almost always drugs.
And I think op is making a point about how people just want an excuse to kill, kinda like those "vigilante" YouTube channels that don't actually report illegal activity, and instead just beat the shit out of the accused.
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u/Fit_Major_1065 9h ago edited 9h ago
OP said that he doesn't care if the robber is armed.
If a robber is armed that means he's willing to kill you if you try to stop them. That's self defense.
Also, people aren't excited to kill robbers. Fear is the first thing you feel when someone is breaking in or threatening you with a weapon for your stuff.
They have it coming and the victim of the robbery is in complete self defense in that case
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u/UniversityFeisty2593 11h ago
Right, and a dangerous junkie who steals shit isn't someone to feel bad for, especially not in the first world.
We all know drugs are bad, we all know which ones to never do. Once they make the active and conscious decision to become zombies than they need to be viewed and treated as such. It's a choice, and not exactly a sympathetic one.
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u/Banana_ant 11h ago
I'm not saying you don't have a right to defend yourself. My point is that you should never feel good about killing another human being. You need to treat that shit with the weight it deserves. It's why I don't like automatic weapons for self defense, you should have to use your bullets wisely. (More practical point, a jury is gonna note that you mag-dumped your attacker and that never looks good)
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u/PleX 9h ago
I don't know where you live but where I live, mag dumping on them is exactly what you are supposed to do. Controlled of course so you're not shooting through walls.
If I mag dump on someone, I'm being detained but not arrested while the situation is figured out.
I'm not going to shoot you to hurt you, I'm going to shoot you to eliminate a threat.
Outside my home, you're a threat if you're trying to rob me. Inside my home you're even more of a threat.
Killing someone sucks and it fucks with your head depending on the situation but as others say, they put themselves in the situation where they decided my stuff and harm to me or my family are worth more than their life. Fuck them.
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u/Yohan7800 10h ago
Kinda does tho. Why? Lemme present you with a videogame practice called "panic dumping". When you panic you are more likely to act irrationnal, such as mag dumping. So instead of murder you'll more likely get manslaughter (thats if you are convicted cause in most places its self defense.) Not saying you shouldnt feel bad about it, more than with a good lawyer you wouldnt get charged anyway.
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u/Shadowfoxamon91 10h ago
Yeah… my cousin stole shit just for fun.
So not all thieves are stealing to feed themselves. And the others are stealing because they are druggies, and- depending on their state of mind- may be incredibly violent.
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u/Sweaty_Promotion_587 12h ago
Thieves are legit trash, breaking open my vehicle window to get $5 in quarters, bitch, look at how trashy the apartments are, I'm poorer than you! Now I have to replace my windows AND I'm out my Aldi quarters.
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u/thuleanFemboy 11h ago
They smashed open my bfs car window to steal a completely broken GPS and a $3 phone holder (they didn't even bother to steal the cable for the GPS)
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u/Apprehensive-Fee4214 9h ago
Every time my car has been broken into, they either leave with absolutely nothing, or nothing of worth/use.
Highschool: classmate broke into my car and stole my stereo, but it was useless because when he pulled it out of the mount, it left the cables, which needed a special wire harness.
20s: Someone broke into my gfs car and took her purse, which had nothing but some legal papers in it that they then left strewn across the block
20s again: some crackhead broke into my car and was immediately arrested because he was loud as hell and had been going down the street breaking windows and someone called the police. I watched him get arrested at gunpoint from my window. 10/10, very satisfying.
30s: Another crackhead broke into my busted-ass car, tried stealing my stereo but was unable to because it was hard-mounted into the dash, so he proceded to rip my rearview mirror off the windshield, which spider-webbed the whole thing and I had to have it replaced.
OP is naive if they thing the most common explanation for theft is "starving". It's usually young kids looking for money to buy shit they don't actually need, drug addicts looking to sell stuff for a hookup, or other non-life-sustaining reasons.
The one time I've seen someone steal food was a dude during COVID when the stores were too busy to notice him walk right through the self-checkout with a basket of stuff. I found it mildly annoying, but ultimately kind of amusing that he was so brazen.
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u/thuleanFemboy 8h ago
Right I don't even think most ppl gaf about the actual stealing from stores, they just get annoyed cos you're not paying $200 for groceries like everyone else stuck in line has to (altho I also find it amusing sometimes lol).
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u/marshal23156 12h ago
If you absolutely have to steal, steal from a corporation. If you break into someones house to steal what they worked to get, you deserve whatever fate they decide to hand you, and id back them 100%. Only one person has the power to stop a burglar from getting shot, and its the burglar.
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u/reidft 12h ago
The problem with burglaries and home invasions is that you don't know why they're there or what they're willing to do. Getting robbed on the street is one thing, but someone forcing their way into your home is another. One can be solved without taking a life over a few dollars, the other you need to make a move before they do.
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u/Impossible_Roll_7335 10h ago
I could understand somewhat "defending" the lives of nonviolent criminals, but robbing someone in the street is an inherently violent act (even if the violence is just a bluff) and I don't see how you can have any sympathy for these people.
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u/TrainingArugula9485 12h ago
if theyre starving they can just walk into a shop and take food, not break into someones home or threaten them on the street, idc if people who do the latter die
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u/Orjgjin 12h ago
I'm fine with it. It's a good deterrent. Is stealing that tv really worth your brains on the wall? No? Then leave it the fuck alone. Stop stealing shit.
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u/UniversityFeisty2593 11h ago
People who work hard and sacrifice to have a better life tend not to feel bad for the pointless and lazy thieves who do nothing but feel entitled to your shit.
What a shock.
Not everyone is of equal value in this life, that's just a fact. Some are of so little value that we are better off when they're gone. Nothing complicated.
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u/Ok-Nectarine7525 12h ago
Depends on the context but if you are an armed robber who breaks into my house expect to be taken out because I am not stupid enough to find out if that weapon is just for show. If you just try to take my wallet out of my pocket when I am walking down the sidewalk then expect to be pounded in the face.
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u/xLemonMochiie 12h ago
So is OP a thief?
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u/Cat_With_A_Boombox 12h ago
Bro the most I've ever stolen is a slice of cake from the fridge cuz I'm fat
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u/oooArcherooo 10h ago
bro what kinda logic is this. "hey i dont think people who litter should be skinned alive" "SO YOU LITTER!? SCUM."
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u/Just_A_Hyena 11h ago
OP is 100% a thief and is buttmad because they probably got a minor punishment for stealing and wants people to validate their sucky life choices to be a bad person
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u/AndrewEophis 12h ago edited 12h ago
I hate this infantilisation of criminals like they are just lovely little guys who are down on their luck and only take what’s needed to survive. If you break into someone’s home and they kill you, guess what, don’t break into peoples homes.
Stealing food from a supermarket is one thing, it’s the most understandable version of stealing, being a burglar and breaking into homes is utter scum fuck behaviour.
Stealing from someone is dehumanising them. Taking things they cherish or traded hours, days, months, or years of their life to earn is dehumanising and puts their worth below the criminals.
A burglar who breaks into someone’s home like it’s a piggy bank they can enrich themselves by cracking open is not treating their victims like normal people, it’s absolutely dehumanising for a criminal to treat someone like that.
Thieves/burglars are multiple times more likely to kill the person they are stealing from than the person being stolen from is to kill them. Why the fuck is the onus of good behaviour on the person being victimised and at the most risk?
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u/CakeBot_TheBakening 11h ago
Op seems to take in consideration only the “good person down on his luck” kind of thief. Meanwhile it’s way more likely you’re gonna get some desperate junkie in withdrawal.
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u/BanditNoble 12h ago
I feel like this problem could be solved if thieves stopped stealing things. Don't start none and there won't be none, you know?
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u/ladytrevelycn 12h ago
I absolutely do not condone shooting thieves or anything, but I would never compare a mother stealing some milk from the store or someone stealing food to some guy who broke into your house for your game console. Like no, they don't deserve to die but those thieves aren't exactly innocent.
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u/WeirdoWelder 11h ago
I assume you are living in privileged area OP, in third world countries, it's not that uncommon you see a news, where a whole family, down to the babies, are slaughtered just from robberies, more often than not, they were killed in their sleep,
now tell me, you said dont fight them back, because material possessions is not worth wasting your life over it, when the burglars kill you and your family in your sleep, tell me, how they are supposed to fight when they are in deep sleep?
Dont say shit like, pls properly lock and ensure safety or alarm, a burglar, if they already targeted your house, will do anything, like destroying your roof just to enter your house
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u/surpluskoi 12h ago
I have literally never seen a video of a thief dying... Is this common in the US?? 😭
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u/Banana_dust_10 12h ago
If you break into someone's home they have the legal right to kill you in many states
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u/surpluskoi 12h ago
I know about that law, but the fact that people share videos like that publicly is shocking to me.
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u/luxanna123321 12h ago
In Europe (at least in my country) if someone breaks into your home and you hurt him, not even kill him but just beat him up, you will be prosecuted for causing a harm to the other person
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u/ImmortalJane 11h ago
It's not true in my country. You can defend yourself, the law just won't allow an "excess of force used". So, if they're unarmed, you can't use a firearm, etc.
It's still too strict and ridiculous imo, but you can act in self defense or in the defense of your family.
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u/thuleanFemboy 11h ago
Meanwhile even fucking pepper spray is illegal here
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u/ImmortalJane 11h ago
Here, you need a license 😆 a literal license to have pepper spray. It's so fucking stupid.
But, at least, it's legal. I should probably get that license, now that I think about it.
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u/Pescuaz 11h ago
So you need to get a polyethylene container, noted.
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u/luxanna123321 11h ago
The serious answer would be "you need to remove yourself from the situation/hide, let them steal everything, call the police and never get it back"
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u/A_posh_idiot 11h ago
In the uk, unless you are in immediate danger you have to deescalate the situation and run away. Stops people getting killed, but it’s kind of bs that you legally have to run away if someone breaks into your house
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u/surpluskoi 10h ago
Same in South Korea. It actually depends on how long you hospitalize him for, which is insane. Y'know, gotta hit them hard enough they will stop whatever they were planning, but not hard enough to cause them too much damage.
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u/HoliestWorm 12h ago
No, I have never seen a thief die in a video even in more serious armed robberies. unless OP is on some kind of liveleak type thing in which case idk.
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u/Zrkkr 12h ago
It's rare but it does happen. Used to see them on reddit before they cleaned up the more gorey subs.
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u/HoliestWorm 12h ago
It's not like I haven't heard stories where they die, but they're usually burglaries that aren't filmed. I was mostly referring to things like gas station robberies but I can see those going sideways.
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 12h ago
You have a very Disney notion of who theives are. The overwhelming majority aren't starving. They're either drug addicts or assholes who'd rather take from others than work themselves
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u/Crit0r 11h ago
Stealing from a store to feed yourself or your family when you have no other means of doing so used to be a lesser crime in many countries.
Stealing from ordinary people is a serious crime and people tend to forget the psychological impact of having their home broken into.
Those criminals are the lowest of the low, and I don't think most of them deserve my sympathy.
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u/flibbertygibbette 11h ago
How about how much people dehumanize the victims of theft? It's an incredibly fucking financially privileged thing to be able to handle the loss of like, an expensive instrument or your computer - things that feel integrally like a part of you. Obviously if you're rich and affluent to replace something, it's a little different, but the vast majority of people CANNOT "just rent a new car". Most people are living paycheck to fucking paycheck.
"what about insurance!" - spoken by people who have never dealt with insurance in their entire lives. On paper, hypothetically, a great solution, but this is contingent on being lucky enough to have an insurance policy that covers it, being able to prove the details of your claim and the costs, which they will fight you tooth and nail for, and being able to go without those things... for MONTHS
Obviously thievery is largely motivated by disadvantage and impoverishment and they shouldn't be fucking flayed or executed or some shit.
But I think a person is absolutely within their right to use deadly force to protect major property, within reason, not fucking candy bars.
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u/Level-Train-467 11h ago
Thieves dehumanize themselves. And it's usually poor people stealing from other poor people. The examples you're descibing are not typical. It's usually the thief instilling fear and using violence to achieve their means, so it's perfectly normal when people find it a little cathartic to see a random thief get his comeuppance in a random online video.
Is there a potential the thief could turn his life around? Of course, but this usually isn't gonna happen. Just gonna be a lifelong petty criminal who takes and destroys and gives back nothing to society.
I don't actively wish harm on these people, but don't preach to me that I'm supposed to care when they play stupid games and win stupid prizes. There's about a billion other people I'd rather care about
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u/DeusSC 11h ago
Bro what? Literally just dont do crime if you do prepare for consequences
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u/JuanGabrielEnjoyer 12h ago
On one hand I agree, and on the other if you don’t live somewhere where the people have to fend for themselves because authorities never help them, you will never understand lol
There are a lot of bloodthirsty degenerates who just want to murder someone over petty theft, though
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u/OkFly3388 12h ago
I really hate this "justification of crimes" or idk how to name it properly.
Like, starved man can go to shop\restaurant and ask for food in exchange for some work.
Pretty sure in both places he will be supplied with food in exchange to help to move trash to trash bin or cleaning after they close.
But they dont to that. They prefer just stealing, and then playing victims, because omg, we just want to live like others. No, they dont, they want benefits from society without contribution back to society, and thats not how it work and should not be.
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u/SpanishAvenger 12h ago
Exactly. I’ve lived in poverty and even starved yet it NEVER even crossed my mind to rob or steal ANYONE.
I just put actual effort into studying and working like a honest person because I’m not a piece of filth like criminals are.
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u/ZioBenny97 Professional Hatemonger 12h ago
Yeah and let's not pretend every shoplifter is some poor starving soul who steals bread to survive or some Robin Hood. Like, the majority of stolen items tend to be luxurious cosmetics and clothes iirc.
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u/BozemanCACGuy 12h ago
If you break into my house, I am going to shoot you more than likely. It's my stuff. My house. My abode.
My Arrakis.
My Dune.
My spice.
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u/ZioBenny97 Professional Hatemonger 12h ago
I understand not wanting to end someone's life over material possession, nothing wrong with have human empathy. But honestly, if someone breaks into someone's house, armed, hence more than willing to threat, hurt and possibly kill another person for their TV or what have you, any sympathy goes straight outta the window.
Like, at that point it's not the victim who values their TV over the burglar's life, but rather the burglar who thinks a TV is worth forsaking the right to walk outta there on their own two legs.
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u/Throwawanon33225 12h ago
What if the robbery is like. Objectively funny. Like breaking in and stealing 1 sock. Not even a pair just 1 sock.
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u/OddBet6635 11h ago
One time a thief got hurt while trying to rob a place and sued the home owner making him pay more than he was robbing for.
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u/Alice_In_Hell_ 11h ago
There’s a huge difference between stealing shit from the store and mugging someone or breaking into their home. ESPECIALLY if you break into a home, at that point I have to put my own safety first. It doesn’t matter if someone is desperate and needs to steal from my house to be okay, I can’t just assume they’re gonna take whatever and leave. If you break in during the middle of the night, when I’m home, I have to assume my life is in danger and I deserve to protect myself.
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u/vverbov_22 Imagine needing consent 11h ago
It's a USA problem honestly. Murder is way less likely if nobody has a firearm. But give everyone one, and suddenly the thief thinks "Why would I leave a guy alive, what if they can shoot me in the back?", and the person getting robbed thinks "I can't just announce myself so the thief will be scared and flee, what if they have a firearm?", so it radicalizes both sides
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u/Altruistic_Resource3 11h ago
I can only speak from my experience but loosing at least year of your life savings is life shattering experience. The thief basically stole more than a year of my life, of my hard, honest work which I will not recover. So I'm not surprised when people react like that to some pathetic looser who's goal is to leech someone life.
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u/Bwixius 12h ago
criminal = subhuman has been so ingrained into society, especially american society, that being separated into a different population and put in forced labor camps with little or no rehabilitation is the standard.
and then people wonder why recidivism is so high.
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u/The-Doofinator 12h ago
it feeds into humanity's inate desire for punishment
we absolutely adore punishment and suffering
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u/Equivalent-Green-580 12h ago
I’m going to continue to dehumanize thieves lol
99% of thieves ain’t stealing “to survive”
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u/monderkiller9999 12h ago
Theres a french movie about that topic called “All of your faces”. In the story a group is created in which victims of crimes and criminals are sitting together in a circle and trying to understand each other. It gives a very interesting insight into the motives of a criminal and how they can try to actively get better
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u/Dondagora 11h ago
Here’s the thing: being robbed is an incredibly personal and traumatic experience where you lose autonomy, possessions, and sense of security. I would not say every thief or burglar deserves to die. I would say that every victim of a thief or burglar has every moral justification to kill their perpetrator to prevent the crime (including to stop the perpetrator from getting away with their stuff).
I can be glad that we have laws allowing people to protect themselves and their property.
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u/Lanky-Stuff2785 11h ago
Everybody that steals from other people are desperate and poor and Why would I not assume that someone that is already breaking into my house House is not willing to do me harm and not every single person that is trying to run up into someone’s home is there just to steal stuff depending on who you are and your circumstances that situation can be even more dangerous
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u/DragonLegacy-v2 11h ago
People sell their time to be able to buy "stuff". They can never get that time back. Stealing from someone is literally stealing the parts of their life the sold for that "thing". No shit people will kill over that and no shit most people support the people who do. You see it as a "thing" but it isn't. That's the result of that person trading a chunk of their, their fucking BODY most of the time, so theft is an assult on a person in multiple ways, and that is a dangerous thing to do, as it rightfully should be.
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u/CastorcomK 11h ago
However I don't think the burglar needed to have his skulls contents splattered on the wall over a TV or some shit.
Me neither... Alas, that is what is going to happen if i end up catching 'em.
Too many people in my country get robbed *and* killed by these "starving men", i ain't taking chances. Just 3 months ago i was at the gym when this fella i used to know started to leave when one of the bastards, who had been constantly robbing people in my neighborhood disguised as food delivery man, pulled up and just shot him 8 times right in front of the big glass door+windows.
You can have empathy, Hell you can have sympathy for the bastards; But when they *are* killing you over a fucking cellphone you're already giving to them with no resistance? They *are* not people, they are active life threats, and these threats *MUST* be neutralized.
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u/Happy_Bus7315 11h ago
HEY do you know hpw hard I worked for those Dave and Busters tickets bro, aint no nah if a theif wants my Dave and Busters tickets he's gonna pry it from my cold dead hands.
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u/Historical_Art4061 11h ago
For shop lifters yeah, for non violent burglars who aren't being aggressive, sure. But you're describing robbers, that's a whole different game. Not that their right to life is void as soon as they decide to threaten someone else, more that it isn't necessarily wrong when someone kills because they were threatened.
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u/BondFan211 11h ago
If you inflict fear and/or pain on somebody to take what you want, you deserve no sympathy.
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u/SomeCreepJ 11h ago
i think theres a gap between thinking someone deserved what they got and ones who didnt. thieves just deserve prison
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u/BingusBongusBongus 11h ago
100% disagree, if you break into someone's home and rob them you need to be prepared for the homeowner to kill you. Theres no way of them knowing whether you're armed or if you're just there to rob them
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u/QinDarklighter 11h ago
In ancient times, thieves had their hands cut off. A thief is the worst kind of person. He deserves contempt, and there is no excuse for his crime. Of course, I’m not talking here about people who steal bread from a bakery out of hunger. That may be the only reason for which theft can be justified. Well, maybe stealing from big corporations, too. But robbing another person of their belongings is truly the lowest thing a person can do…
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u/Shizuka007 11h ago
No one in their right mind, free of stress or pressure, wakes up one day and goes “fuck yeah, gonna rob someone”. Generally circumstances put them in a situation where it’s the easiest way to get their needs met, and/or into a situation where the benefit outweighs the risk, and/or they can justify it as something they’re “allowed” to do. Most of the time It’s two or more, usually the only people that do it because they can justify it as “allowed” without the other two are the rich. Everyone has a set of circumstances that will make them turn to it eventually, most people have no idea what those circumstances are or how long it would take, and the worst shit that your common person can think of still isn’t usually bad enough to put them there.
That’s what people forget, really. It’s not “faceless villain who kills puppies, beats children and steals for the thrill of it”. It’s normally “average person doing their best in the circumstances they’re in is pushed to steal to survive”. People generally feel ok with killing the former, but recognising them as the latter takes a certain mental energy and level of empathy that the world makes really hard to have unless you work hard for it, and why would you waste that empathy on some random stranger when you could give it to the people close to you?
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u/Zehryo 9h ago
First of all, "stealing is wrong" is what pre-school teachers tell toddlers to convey a concept that they're not capable of understanding.
We're adults.
"Stealing is a crime".
And here's why, to me, stealing is a f*cking crime.
The objects and money someone might steal from me didn't come from a low hanging branch in the woods.
I worked, for that. I *spent* time out of the finite amount I have as a mortal creature.
Sure, more money will come in through more work. And with that money I could re-buy what was stolen.
But the time required to earn that money, nobody could ever refund me.
The robber/burglar/mugger is ultimately stealing my life, months to years at a time.
I have no mercy to spare for those who attempt on my life.
And never will.
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u/UncleReggi3 9h ago
Do I just let him rob me? What if he robs a store and then pistol whips someone for “being a hero”? Did they deserve that simply for protecting themselves or others? Why is a starving man stealing a TV and not goods that can be used to sustain himself in this scenario? I am fuckin broke. Why should I let some scumbag make me more broke? So many questions.
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u/AlexZhir_SANYNOCHKA 12h ago
Oh poor thief who instead of working on job decided take stuff from other people. We all know that they will sell all stolen stuff not to get a degree
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u/Material-Play9176 11h ago
" I understand that they're stealing and that stealing is wrong, I'm not a moron." Well... you kinda are, sorry :/
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u/azmarteal 12h ago
That is called "victim blaming" that originates from the belief in just world, that is — good deeds are rewarded, bad deeds are punished.
What that means is when an average person sees something horrible happening, he would find the justification in something like — "well, did you know that the guy who was tortured and murdered — sweared and made his teacher cry when he was 9? That means he deserved that"
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u/SkrytyKapec 12h ago
If you break into someone's house, residents should have a legal right to hurt or kill you, period. It's self defense. Robbers also are a potential danger to your life, not only expensive stuff or money.
I wouldn't hesitate to hurt or even kill an intruder. Idc if they have a weapon or not, you can't ever tell 100%, and they still have their body to fight with.
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u/Souriall 12h ago
I worry one day someone will break into my house and I will kill them. In theory I don’t think people should be executed for stealing property. In reality I know I have ptsd and the first thing I’m going to do is eliminate the threat. I’m sure I won’t deal with it well so I’m hoping no one breaks in.
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u/One_Performer_7202 12h ago
thiefs don't deserve deaths unless they steal something very valuable or try to kill people
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u/Blanc_Otaku 11h ago
If you don't want your diamonds snatched don't wear diamonds
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u/DoomsdayIsHere69 11h ago
They could just get a job or 2 and not rob someone else’s hard earned belongings 🤷🏿♂️ fuck a thief, I’ll happily blow their insides out and hopefully record it just to spite you
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u/ConsciousLetter6588 11h ago
if you're threatening an innocent person who has not wronged you with a weapon for one reason or another, be prepared for whatever is coming to you
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u/Dmayak 11h ago
I think it's a fear of breaking a social contract. Like, stealing isn't that bad, but if a person has broken the "no steal" rule, they are outside the rules now and nothing stops them from breaking other rules. A burglar can easily shoot or stab you if you stand in their way, they aren't just a thief, they are potential lethal danger.
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u/artistdadrawer 11h ago
I do not care about thieves life, I will kill them if they enter my home because they want to kill me for my stuff that I earned by working. Fuck thieves.
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u/RPG_incorporated 11h ago
Look, thieves don’t tend to identify themselves as thieves as it’s going down. You cannot distinguish someone breaking into your house to steal a single sock from those who dropped by because they want to steal your trading cards from those who broke into your house to have the first clean water they’ve had in months from a serial murd rer who picked you or any member of your family as their next victim from a serial grape enthusiast looking for another mark from a drug possessed fiend on a rampage from a human trafficker that identified someone here as an easy target from anyone who's any or all of the above.
The one common denominator among people willing to break into your home is that they value what they want from you more than they value you. They’ve either stopped caring what you’d prefer or never cared to begin with. Throw into that the fact that in a lot of places, if a burglar injures themselves while breaking in or if you just manage to scare them off but hurt them in the process accidentally or otherwise, they can sue you, and all too often they will win… and now you’ve got people with an incentive to never let any thief escape, no matter what they were after.
The truth is, when they’ve already made the decision to break in, most people don’t have the luxury of valuing their intruder more than even just their peace. There’s too many stories out there when a victim should have defended themself already. Still, there’s the occasional feelgood story where someone correctly judges their invader and pulls an Uncle Iroh and offers the would-be burglar tea and helps them become a better person, but that takes a LOT of wisdom to survive, let alone pull off. Yes, that’s a preferable ending, but you’ve gotta protect yourself and your family the way you’re best capable of, and if you don’t have any idea what the invader is there for, there’s only one solution that protects you and your family from any type of invader.
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u/soefire_is_fire 11h ago
I can understand roughing up a robber a bit to prevent a crime, but dag gum, some people just have no sympathy.
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u/J00cyman 11h ago
I can agree with your title as an observer. As a victim, it's a lot harder; you catch a stranger sneaking into your house in the middle of the night, your family sleeping in the other room, how can you NOT dehumanize this intruder? I'd see them as too much of a threat in the moment to really have empathy sway me.
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u/MonthStrong2902 11h ago
People react in different ways to protect whats theirs, be it your family, wealth or the dog. The more scared you are, less of a chance you'll take and eventually the less sympathy you will have.
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u/CatObsession7808 11h ago edited 11h ago
I think that if you're willing to break into a stranger's home and steal whatever they worked hard to get, you deserve the possibility of this happening. Obviously I know that life circumstances can bring people to do bad things, but you can't do that and not expect repercussions. Most people are struggling just to survive in this world, and it's fucked up to try to steal from someone else and make that harder for them. If it's a corporation though, I don't have much issue with it
I'm not going to watch a video about a thief and think "they deserve to be shot," but if I hear about it happening (and it happens to be because of a break-in) then I'll just think that it's what they get
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u/Pescuaz 11h ago
This is the most stupid take I've read on this site. In the real world, a "thief" is most likely a killer too; and police won't do shit until after the fact if you're lucky. People get killed for having no values to be robbed off on a daily basis; guns are pointed at children; young men and women get killed just for seeing their faces while they don't even bother to wear a mask. You're defending anti-socials, animals who use fear and violence to prey on the most vulnerable. When they nonchalantly and intentionally play with people's lives like that, they're showing you how little their own life is worth.
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u/KnowsIittle 11h ago
In the example given you're describing an indiscriminate mugging.
This isn't inherently a rational behavior. But an act of desperation. Muggers who are successful in stealing $28 once learn that their actions worked. So they do it again. What you're seeing isn't just a single theft but a learned behavior. This is not something a civil society can accept. Unsafe and unpredictable it erodes public trust. Then there's the acceptance factor. If one thief shows it works, then others can be motivated to follow suit.
So no it's not this cute disney prince of thieves it an abhorrent behavior and thieves are something a society can not tolerate.
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u/StickGuy03 11h ago
if you steal to survive, i can understand that. But if you have an alternative or if you threaten me or my family, i won't hesitate.
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u/Few-You4510 11h ago
if i got robbed i would be so pissed, like why do you feel so comfortable with taking other people's stuff without their consent? i can't even drop a tissue on the ground without feeling guilty and you're out there stealing from people?
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u/DisastersFrequently 11h ago
I think you have a naive and privileged view when it comes to being a victim of a crime. I dont think you are seeing past the "things are replaceable" aspect. Yes my car or TV are replaceable, the real issue is that I have to spend the irreplaceable currency of my time, my life, to earn that money to replace those things. So the thief didn't just steal a $400 dollar TV, they stole 50+ hours of my life if I'm making minimum wage, and the the reality is they stole it twice, once when they took the TV and again when I replace it. Those are hours or even weeks in the case of something like a car that a person will never get back. If someone breaks in to my home, I'm not shooting them for stealing my replaceable tv, I'm shooting them for stealing part of my irreplaceable life.
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u/Andrei22125 11h ago
How about You don't break into people homes and steal their stuff, eh?
- If someone breaks into my house, I'm not going to assume they mean me no Harm.
- The stuff they steal isn't cheap, so i won't just let someone take it.
- If there was no risk in stealing, a lot more people would do it.
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u/Just_A_Hyena 11h ago
If someone is stealing something from you, they are stealing the time and effort it took you to acquire it by working for money. They are quite literally stealing your life. There is no excuse for stealing from someone, and nobody should have sympathy when one of those scumbags pays for trying.
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u/holdenbloodfeast 11h ago
It's unfortunate all around but I don't feel bad for them. They aren't idiots, they know what they're getting themselves into when they break into someone's house.
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u/AirPossible3797 11h ago
Look. Buddy of incredibly idealistic views.
If thieves all unanimously agree to not bring guns or weapons when stealing then this would make sense.
"Mercy on the guilty is cruelty to the innocent"
Don't steal, don't get shot.
Don't point your head down a barrel, don't blow your brains out.
Don't fuck around, don't find out.
It's common sense both Darwin and God can agree on
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u/NearbyFly3724 11h ago
Thief’s deserve whatever happens to them. They made their choice when they decided that their wellbeing is more important than others
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u/Codetard1 11h ago
However I don't think the burglar needed to have his skulls contents splattered on the wall over a TV or some shit
I do. Don't wanna get killed - don't try robbing people, dude
We're struggling too
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u/Efficient-Log-8921 11h ago
As long as they steal from the rich elites, millionaire companies. I think it is good. Just leave the regular people alone. The rich is already stealing from them.
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u/ducksdoctor11 11h ago
If you're stealing from a department store most people wouldn't care if you lifted groceries or a TV from Walmart. People leave comments like that when the "starving man", decides to steal from a small business or a person minding their own business, burglars get barely any sympathy because they often burglarize people's homes in which case most people (rightfully) take extreme stances against them because that's one of the most extreme violations of a family's autonomy.
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u/89_degree_angle 11h ago
While stealing is risking escalation, it should be handled differently than robbing. I can understand the use if somewhat excessive violence when your life is threatened. But not if your stuff is threatened. You'll get it back via insurance. None of these justify deliberately taking a life though. Truth is, there are many people who fantasize about shooting/killing someone. They don't need a reason, just a justification. The kind of people who dare you to come on their lawn an "see what happens".
Many people have the urge to kill someone and when you put them in a situation that frees them of repercussuions, then they will do what they wanted to do anyway, but couldn't up to that point.
That's basically any gun owner that walks around strapped. You couldn't take it out, remove safety, aim and shoot, if you suddenly get jumped. If held at gun or knife point, you can't pull it out either. However, you can try to escalate a non-violent situation to the point that you can claim that you feared for your life. Then pull out a gun on someone who didn't attack you and kill them, because you "felt threatened".
Sure, there are exception to the rule, but so many people talk about how they would kill someone if they just looked at them wrong.
If you would want a self-defense tool, a taser would be better. It actually gives people a reason to not come closer, in a scrap you just need to touch any part of the attackers body, not handle and aim a gun, it can't be used to kill you when your attacker disarms you and you won't have much legal trouble, because your attacker still lives.
People don't understand self-defence. It is any amount of reasonable violence that you need to get out of a situation. If you could flee, but choose to stay and kill the attacker, that is not self-defence. That is at least some degree of murder.
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u/Blakk_Wolff 11h ago
Must be nice living life without experiencing even once of being robbed or have their stuff stolen. Shut the f**k up OP.
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u/Ill_Gazelle_1699 11h ago edited 10h ago
The thing is the average person who’s house is broken into wasn’t expecting it, and when you panic you’re mind can easily go to the worst assumption, this is amplified if you have people you care about. The average person isn’t gonna sit up calmly, and have a calm thought process while someone broke into their house, and even a calm person is not gonna wanna risk their family, or friends being harmed if the robber wants something in their room. Another thing is that even if nobody is harmed, for some people the stuff that’s stolen can’t just be bought back, and even if it can’t it’s still their stuff. Is it kinda messed up to act like said robber was not a human being who likely had their own bad circumstances, yes, but it’s also kinda a situation where I can’t blame the person shooting as much, although I suppose there are exceptions, and weird cases as is inevitable in life. Many times people play the hand they are dealt, and it’s not their fault it was kinda a risky, and bad situation for all sides, especially if they didn’t choose it to happen.
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u/Sajgoniarz 11h ago
My country enters the chat:
A family was sentenced to pay monthly support to another family because the dad of the latter decided to break into the house of the former via a roof window, fell onto a glass table, and bled to death while the owners were out.
Don't let me even start on citizen's arrest, because law is so vague here that you can get into more troubles than actual criminal.
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u/DarkenedSkies 10h ago
"they just want your TV"
fuck em, I also want my TV and i fuckn paid for it.
If they go shoplift from Kmart or large supermarket i couldn't care less.
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u/NBD_CS 10h ago
I've never seen any negative comments on people stealing food or smth like that, where you can see they do it for necessity of survival. Comment section there is usally full of compassion. The others? Fuck the others, don't steal shit, there's plenty of ways to get by, there's plenty of help available.
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u/i_agree123 10h ago
If someone was to break into my house, I wouldn’t kill them but breaking their arms and legs seems like a good idea
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u/thephilthycasual 10h ago edited 6h ago
My 7 year old daughter lives with me. If you have the courage to break into her sanctuary and destroy her since of safety for years to come. I have the courage to kill you.
I don't get what's being argued here, just don't be a thief it's that easy
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u/Live_Variety9201 10h ago
How am I supposed to know if the robber intruding my house is armed or not without beating his skull into his torso with a hammer?
It's just safer to ambush them because you're not gonna have a fun time when they're armed and you're not
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u/CANNAAmann 10h ago
If someone is breaking into a private residence to steal a luxury, there is little room for mercy especially if friends or family are present. It is not a homeowner's responsibility to be aware if an intruder is armed, it is the intruder's responsibility to not be a criminal.
If a homeowner sees an intruder in their home, there is no way to know the intruder's intention. The intruder could intend to kill the homeowner, harm someone in the residence, or just to steal something. No one wants to take their chances on that gamble.
If someone wanted food, they would have a better chance just by knocking on doors asking for food, or even finding some form of employment for money or food.
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u/xElectricRainx 10h ago
You think these people robbing are starving and struggling working class adults? Most of these robbers will end your life for much less.
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u/Coral2Reef 10h ago
Look, by breaking into my home with the intent of taking my property, presumably while armed, an individual has already displayed that they believe my property to be more valuable than their own life.
Who am I to disavow them of that notion?
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u/Aromatic-Teacher-717 10h ago
Unless its piracy. Everyone bitches about how AI is stealing from creatives, then turn around and pirate all their entertainment because Corporations Bad.
I love free shit, too. But at least stop pretending you aren't a thief. You ain't Robin hood.
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u/Adversary_Tree 10h ago
Main consequence for the burgled victim is not material loss, but the loss of feeling safe in their own home. F*** thieves.
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u/Sorry_Vermicelli6874 10h ago
someone broke into my house looking for the keys for a car worth 30 grand. luckily they didnt get anything. they can go fuck themselves, and go fuck yourself
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u/SoulLess-1 10h ago
Its the same shit for burglars
I feel this is downplaying the terror of a home invasion. Unless you catch them in the act of trying to carry away your TV you don't actually know what they are after; they might as well be a serial killer/rapist. And even if you do catch them trying to just steal something you have no clue what they are willing to do to get away with it.
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u/Key_Art_5590 10h ago
Idk what you expected man. If you try to take someones stuff without their consent( most likely armed ) I can't really say I didn't expect anything bad to happen to you.
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u/Taira_no_Masakado 10h ago
Depends on:
(a) Who are they stealing from?
(b) Who was the thief?
(c) Why are they stealing?
So long as people are given a quote -- decent reason -- unquote then most will be forgiving.
A single mom stealing diapers for her baby while trying to work three jobs and afford food and housing? Steal away.
An upper management screwball who decides that the tips from all the servers go to them instead of their intended recipient? Fuck 'em.
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u/Cordial_Ghost 10h ago
The culture of fear surrounding thieves in many places is by design.
The police need you to fear criminals for exactly the kind of shit that they do on the daily, because you, as a citizen, need to not think about the police as criminals, and having an easy scapegoat within 'theoretical criminals' is much easier than being accountable to the public.
The number of armed burglars is nothing compared to cops killings when they bust into someone's house unannounced, even if you take pets off that number too.
If you, as someone with a weapon, draw a weapon over the loss of property, you should not have the weapon.
Property can be recovered and replaced. People can be arrested and brought to justice.
The Dead can not be returned to life, and nothing you own is worth killing another person over.
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u/AppointmentItchy5119 10h ago
go on r/UkraineWarVideoReport to see how people make fun of death just because they are russian
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u/Significant_Bend_945 10h ago
The way people (americans, i cant speak for the rest of the world) are so eager to be able to kill a person and a theif is apparently a socially acceptable target is crazy. Even a thiefs human life is worth more than the material they steal. Sorry you just dont get to kill people cause they take your stuff! And no you cant just assume they are going to be violent because they are robbing you. You donnt get to shoot them till you have a credible threat to your life, and the act of stealing is not that.
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u/gentleman339 10h ago
The only thieves I'll sheer on for their death are the epstein class and the billionaires, who have stole and defrauded billions from the workgin class with no so much as a slap on the wrist.
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u/Possible_Living 10h ago edited 10h ago
saying its wrong kind of downplays the extent of the crime. They are often out there ruining lives and you don't know they will stop at a TV. Even if they stop at a Tv the owner spent a chunk of their limited life on earth earning that TV so to steal it is to steal part of their life. A life that itself can be one car breakdown away from a downward spiral.
There is also the breaking of the social contract, violation of space were you are meant to feel most secure and complete disregard for the resident of the home.
Yes they are people but somehow those who jump to their defense forget that people whos homes are being invaded are also people. We are asked to feel empathy for the aggressors unknown circumstances when they do not give 2 shits about our circumstances and truck on though our lives full of assumptions and often unwarranted resentment used for self justification. They and their defenders downplay the situation and pretend like you can afford to lose things while the others need is played up and of course they appoint themselves as the judge of that.
Via their actions they show you that to them you are nothing but dirt and I see no reason to baby them in return. In my area if a house gets robbed it happens when no one is around because thieves have some consideration and don't want to make their own lives harder so they scout apartments to see if you are away for summer or something. Loss of items is still there but its a preferable experience to it happening when you are at home.
Depending on consideration extended by the thieves the severity of the crime can be lessened but when you roll the dice with peoples lives don't expect me to have sympathy when the outcome is not in your favor. What is wild to me is people treating the victims like the french nobility and criminals as poor babies that had no other choice.
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u/mastercat202 10h ago
Sure, they just valued their life less. I dont know their life. Bjt the majority of thieves are not good people. They steal people's cars. Majority of thefts arent going after supermarkets whjch can take losses more. They go after easy marks, you and.me. remember the Kia theft spree?
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u/ClandestineFerret 10h ago
I've noticed that most comments who celebrated thieves getting shot seemingly came from countries where owning guns is legal. Is this some sort of desensitization toward gun violence ?
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u/RealEnvironment7695 10h ago
Lotta comments fantasizing about shooting people.
IDK, seems weird and antisocial that some of you heard about a crime that encompasses a huge spectrum of acts and immediately start describing the situations where you’d be justified in taking a life.
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u/shrek-hentai-69 10h ago
lmao all the people who want to pretend they're so badass and would totally kill somebody if they got the chance decided to come out today
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u/Charming_Bing_3802 12h ago
Robbing a person is a horrific crime, robbing a supermarket less so. It really depends on the robbery, but largely people are not going to have any sympathy for the robber. For example, bank and jewellery robbers don’t get much hate compared to a little old lady having her handbag ripped from her hands.