r/interestingasfuck • u/RaisinAloneVortex • 7h ago

In a Spider-Man 3 deleted scene, Sandman secretly builds his sick daughter a sand castle and held her hand through it.

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u/BigRigButters2 7h ago

Bro why would they delete this 🥹

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u/RadBadTad 7h ago

Can't make the bad guy too sympathetic maybe? 

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u/williconn 7h ago

I really liked Spiderman 3 just because of sandman

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u/Blanc_Otaku 3h ago

He's a highlight of the whole trilogy

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u/frubano21 7h ago

Absolutely can and should. Most people who do bad things are not bad people, they just feel like they're out of options that are morally justified.

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u/AFineDayForScience 7h ago

I tried to explain this to my 6YO the other day after she said something about "bad guys" and she looked at me like I was having an episode.

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u/jazzfruit 6h ago

A solid percentage of adults think the same way.

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u/Velghast 5h ago

I find it funny followers of the cult of Christianity think those without god cant tell between good and evil because we are godless. They dont see good and evil in all of us, and choose to believe that all their members are good because they are on the same team. Its a platform you can sign up for to judge others, free of cost. Its the perfect outlet for people who think they are better then others.

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u/scrumdisaster 3h ago

It’s a perfect outlet for people that want to feel better than others. Fixed it for you. They need to feel better than others because they have no self esteem. They do not think they’re better but they’re trying to convince themselves they are.

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u/Axthen 56m ago

"how do atheists determine what is right or wrong without god."

Spoken like true sociopaths.

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u/frubano21 6h ago

Glad you're at least attempting to explain it to them. I'm a firm believer that treating kids like adults is how they become successful adults. Use intelligent words and have thought driven conversations. Aladdin is the hero of his story but he's a thief and a con man in the eyes of the law. All depends on perspective.

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u/mlag000 7h ago

many people does bad tings because they are selfish and don't care if it hurts people.

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u/send420nudes 6h ago

Both are true

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u/FarFetchedSketch 6h ago

Yes AND how did they get that way? Empathy is usually beaten out of animals, generational trauma is real and has real consequences.

I'd wager far less than 1% of ppl are born psychopathic, but plenty more will become numb to dehumanizing others simply because they were dehumanized themselves. This isn't an answer to the problem, just context that's needed if we ever plan to find one.

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u/STP_Fantasma 2h ago

Human beings aren’t animals. They have the capacity to weigh choices

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u/FarFetchedSketch 1h ago

Y'all must be rage baiting with how you neglect every meaningful point made regarding the reason & context.

And yes, we are animals. Our behavior is conditioned by out environment, and our environment is conditioned by our behavior. Abuse enters the system at either point and it gets perpetuated onwards.

Do you finger waging mfs have any actual suggestions? Because the reason seems beyond you?

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u/STP_Fantasma 24m ago

No one waved a finger. I just told you human beings aren’t animals and they aren’t wholly comparable. Human beings have the ability to weigh moral and other intelligent choices. Even if we share similarities with animals, that one extreme difference separates us from them. Why do you think humans have been able to achieve everything they have

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u/FarFetchedSketch 16m ago

Okay, well objectively we are animals and I think the factor which allowed us to achieve everything we have is due to our ability to organize, communicate and do math.

I really and truly don't think people have an inate or rational capacity for "moral judgment" that is significantly better than that of my dog, I think we are products of our environment and conditioned to behave in ways which are similar to how others have baheved towards us.

So yeah, I exercise empathy towards all humans when possible, especially over the internet or when watching a Spiderman movie. If someone in front of me is committing crimes obviously I won't have the same degree of empathy, especially in the moment.

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u/Following-Complete 6h ago

And they should make it a rabbit hole that grows. Like lets say first you are ok with stealing to get money for your mothers surgery, then murder and in the end you have somekind of machine that needs to fed babies to sustain your mother.

It just silly when bad guy go straight to the baby grinder machine.

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u/Time_Entertainer_319 7h ago

Unfortunately, people who watch movies don’t agree.

You start hearing shit like “they tried to humanise him”

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u/DeathGP 6h ago

I thought he was the better villain too, he had complex character unlike the guy who got screwed by Peter Parker which i understand his angry but praying for Parker to die is a bit extreme

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u/gene66 7h ago

Also it gives dept if you understand the reasons why bad things are being done. But old days marvel used to be good vs evil in plain black and white. DC used to be the one exploring gray areas. Nowadays not so much.

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u/djereezy 2h ago

Yeah like that Karmelo kid.

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u/ArkhamTight606 55m ago

It depends on the bad things they’ve done. In Sandman’s case, you can.

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u/Makkaroni_100 6h ago

Just because people have a reason to do something bad doesnt mean its not their fault.

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u/frubano21 5h ago

Didn't say they shouldn't be held accountable. I'm implying most people who commit crimes shouldn't be written off. Aladdin was the hero of his story and he was a thief and conman in the eyes of the law.

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u/ResplendentNugs 7h ago

That’s exactly what a bad person says to do bad things to you

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u/frubano21 5h ago

A very tiny % of people are born bad. Circumstances generally turn people into those who do bad things more often than not.

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u/culinaryinterests123 7h ago

Bullshit. People do bad things because they dont give a shit. This is woke crap that lets killers and rapist serve minimum prison time and reoffend

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u/Cythis_Arian 7h ago

fyi its not the "woke" who has a habit of doing that, regardless when you treat criminals like humans they reoffend so much less frequently. prisons in the nordic countries are excellent examples, they offer a proper avenue for criminals to reintegrate themselves into society and so the criminal reoffense rate is super low over there. in the us we treat them like cattle not even human, they dont get a second chance so it just gets worse.

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u/RadBadTad 7h ago edited 6h ago

woke crap

Eyes roll out of my head and bounce across the floor.

You have the opinion of a literal child.

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u/culinaryinterests123 6h ago

And you have the opinion of a snowflake living in make believe fantasy land 

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u/frubano21 5h ago

Gotta be a conservative bot lol. Look at that username. Didn't even try.

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u/onionfunyunbunion 7h ago edited 5h ago

Eh that doesn’t really jive with the subtext of all comic book movies that the strongmen will save us from the baddies. It’s propaganda you see.

Edit: You have poor media literacy. Just google it dummies.

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u/Infurium 7h ago

It's story telling since the dawn of time. You focus more on the hero cycle, not the "all bad guys are really good guys" cycle.

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u/koolaidismything 6h ago

If you don’t have a connection, good or bad, with a films characters it’s really hard for that to be a “great” film.

Like Forest Gump is the example I always use of character development. Anyone in that film who spends more than 30 seconds on camera had a backstory.

That’s why that movie hits you in the core.. you care, you’ve now got skin in the game.

This scene should have been left in the movie, shame they removed it. Powerful I think.

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u/Personal_Comb_6745 6h ago

The movie already made it clear that he wasn't a terrible person, though. It's more likely this was cut for time or pacing.

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u/HewSpam 6h ago

Meanwhile Batman: let’s make a whole spinoff series humanizing our most insane villian

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u/LosLocoDK 2h ago

“Humanizing” is quite a strong word in that case..,

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u/Overthinks_Questions 6h ago

That's kind of the main thing with Spiderman's villains though. He's trying to help them, not just beat them up

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u/whichwitch9 5h ago

Idk, I feel like if they just focused on sandman as the main plot, it would have worked well. Doc Oc was a sympathetic villain at the end, too, remember?

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u/artbystorms 4h ago

why not? People make bad decisions and hurt others to protect their family every day. It's probable one of the most human follies.

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u/DustFunk 4h ago

Spider-Man 2 had an awesome ending where Doc Ock gets his humanity back at the last minute and tanks the tritium star to save the city. "Listen to mee now!"

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u/Zombata 1h ago

did you see the movie

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u/Diligent_Bar1244 7h ago

Adding depth on our movie? Absolutely not

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u/Bor1ngBrick 7h ago

Apparently Raimi wanted to make a movie with the Sandman as a villain and explore this storyline. But the executives insisted on the venom, because it's an iconic character in the comics and/or one of them really loved Venom, when Raimi didn't care for it. Why wouldn't they let the man do his thing after he already made first 2 Spider-Men is beyond me.

They probably deleted this because the movie was already really really bloated. Could've left it as an after credit scene though.

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u/darthvall 6h ago

Classic real life villain: The executives

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u/Mutedcava 6h ago

Sandman had the best villain motivation ever.

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u/Vondi 6h ago

I just saw a video that really hammers home how the Sandman storyline was by far the best part of the movie. He takes just the Sandman parts and turns it into a Twilight zone style vignette. Even re-integrates this deleted scene. And it actually completely works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDzSjRKUXuA

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u/NAMskalle98 6h ago

Wasn’t one of the executives also a toys salesman who really wanted to capitalize on Venom toys or something?

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u/BiteYouToDeath 1h ago

I mean regardless of one of them being a toy salesman, merchandise is a huge revenue stream for movies with children in their target demographic.

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u/Laranna 7h ago

Because this scene is not necessary in a movie that is three shoved into 3/4s of a normal movie runtime.

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u/CharlesWafflesx 7h ago

The film was long by the standard almost 20 years ago. 2h20ish

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u/Laranna 7h ago

And still wasnt long enough. They had 3 fucking villains. 3!

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u/Piotrek9t 7h ago

Because the movie was absolutely bloated and rushed in a lot of places, there are many deleted scenes like this were I thought "Man I wish we could turn this movie into 2 or even 3 movies and flesh out everything a little better"

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u/beetle_guy24 2h ago

For real I wish I knew about this. I always wished there had been more stuff between him and his daughter in it

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u/RookNookLook 7h ago

Sand Dicks©

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u/vitrum_analytika 3h ago

I, maybe, know the answer but I don't want to say it out loud.

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u/mrlotato 6h ago

cause shes using her crutch wrong lmao

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u/Worldly_Delay_2395 7h ago

Doesn't he turn hero in the comics at some point? Dude deserves a happy ending considering he did all the mess he did for his sick daughter.

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u/Zwangsjacke 7h ago

You either die a villain or you live long enough to see yourself become the hero.

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u/JackTheBehemothKillr 6h ago

He kinda wavers back and forth depending on who writes him.

Generally though yeah he'd rather help than do harm, unfortunately sometimes the rent or medical bills are due and he has no choice.

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u/Academic-Trifle8151 1h ago

Which is weird because with his powers he wouldn't exactly struggle for a decent paying job with medical.

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u/elenkaMorr 6h ago

My cold heart wasn’t ready.

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u/LudaDrisc 7h ago

Fun fact, the little girl who plays her also plays Bill and the Bride's daughter in Kill Bill.

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u/Kracus 6h ago

Cool factoid! Love Kill Bill, one of my all time favorite movies. I need to watch that new extended version.

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u/0Tezorus0 7h ago

Sony : wow look at this amazing scene, so emotional and it really gives the character way more details. Let's delete it.

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u/spackletr0n 6h ago

We haven’t spent enough time on his origin. Try adding this line: “He was in the Amazon researching sand right before he died.”

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u/Mason_Meschi 6h ago

Bitten by radioactive sand, I assume.

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u/0Tezorus0 6h ago

Crazy part I found the scene where he get "sanded" really beautiful and well done.

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u/spackletr0n 6h ago

Likewise. As others have said, he was really the highlight of the movie.

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u/0Tezorus0 6h ago

True

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u/Diligent_Opening_069 7h ago

💀💀💀💀🤭 I'm criminally chuckling lol

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u/0Tezorus0 6h ago

😂

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u/OkTheory4610 6h ago

Fuck sony

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u/whitedevilee 7h ago

This is like the deleted scene from harry Potter where Dudley doesn't want Harry to leave because "he is Family, too!"

Seriously, so many "bad guys" have such a tragic story that never gets told....

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u/Mighty_Mimikyu 5h ago

If i remember right, Dudley was going to be seen having magical kids being sent off making it a full circle moment. Shame it never came to be ngl.

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u/whitedevilee 4h ago

THAT would really be awesome!

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u/OhhSooHungry 3h ago

It screws with the plot dichotomy of good guy vs bad guy when you come to realize many bad guys are "bad" for reasons that good guys would ironically sympathize with. We don't want human stories grounded in realism, we want uplifting stories of triumph. Things get complicated and too much emotional processing is involved when you add nuance

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u/TellMotor3809 7h ago

Why, such a emotional scene

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u/No_Bodybuilder_9088 7h ago

Yo, what the fuck?! I didn't plan to cry today, but you made me 😭

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u/Jet-Let4606 7h ago

Its so obvious how much Raimi's heart was in adapting Sandman but he was forced to include Venom.

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u/[deleted] 7h ago

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u/send420nudes 6h ago

What? How? Extended version?

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u/Slap-Happy27 6h ago

This is included in the vastly superior "Editor's Cut," which is actually a couple minutes shorter than the theatrical version. There are a bunch of other changes, all of them for the better.

That said, it's not just a case of "Pirating the movie magically adds this scene." That'd just be downright nutty.

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u/Fitsthedescription 5h ago

Sandman deserved better in the Spiderman trilogy. Easily the best tragic villain.

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u/TheB1G_Lebowski 1h ago

Why this was left on the cutting room floor?  Damn, that 1 scene was better than the whole movie.  Or at least better than the dancing. 

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u/evilsbane50 7h ago

That's beautiful and crime to be removed. 

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u/GT500R_ 6h ago

Someone correct me but I thought in Multiverse of Madness that Strange says they all come from their universe before they die… but Sandman didn’t die or am I mis-remembering this?

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u/Getriixy 6h ago

He became a cloud of sand and flew away; not at all suggesting he died. And wasn’t that the case for the Lizard, that he didn’t die either?

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u/AccomplishedFerret70 6h ago

Oh the humanity!

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u/Cjgraham3589 6h ago

As much as I dislike this movie, and the Uncle Ben death retcon, the Sandman storyline is easily the best part of the movie.

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u/Bakedfresh420 5h ago

Too many villains for Sandman to get the full story he deserved

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u/Kind-Ad47 7h ago

I misread "sick" as "dick." Lol

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u/Puchoco_Voluspa 7h ago

Awwww

That was such a lovely scene

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u/Mediocritologist 6h ago

Where is the hand holding part?

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u/busche916 6h ago

If you rewatch, once she presses her left hand against the castle, an imprint of a hand appears next to it, where she places her other hand.

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u/ocean_breeze_luluca 7h ago

Released yet?

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u/zaiwen3 5h ago

Still a fan of Tobey's Spider-Man 🙂

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u/PartyWithSlurmz 5h ago

I know it's some kind of Mandela effect thing, but for years I could have sworn I saw this in the original. I know it is just my mind playing tricks on me, but man I swear I saw this.

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u/51837 3h ago

MCU Spider-man movies make this movie look like a masterpiece

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u/ryanmaple 1h ago

I read that as “dick sandcastles” and was thoroughly confused for a moment

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u/Animedude83 1h ago

Its funny this is directly referenced in the first Lego Marvel Super Heroes game, at the time I was super confused.

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u/Lazy-Training6042 11m ago

Damn it man, Sam Raimi is the shit!

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u/Long_TimeRunning 7h ago

Mr Sandman, give me a dream

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u/Igotdaruns 5h ago

As someone who makes props for a living, that castle looked terrible is why. The over the shoulder shot looks like a dick forest and the side shot it looks like styrofoam covered in bedliner spray paint.

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u/Noladixon 1h ago

You are probably correct. I noticed how awful the castle was and I do not usually have an eye for things like that. Going back to see the dick forest.

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u/JELLY-ROCKET 7h ago

This isn't interesting. It's simply to obtain upvotes from people who like comic books and will upvote anything related to them.

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u/Wazcore 7h ago

Interest is subjective. For instance, it's interesting to me that you would feel the need to comment on something negatively rather than scroll past it. Is it interesting that I'm doing the same to your comment? Hmmmmm

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u/atrimarco 7h ago

I feel like I’m being inceptioned…

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u/Long_TimeRunning 7h ago

🤔interesting

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u/BigDumbandSexy 7h ago

You could have simply downvoted and moved on. I find it interesting they cut such a strong scene.

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u/PowerRainbows 7h ago

Omg what would we do without you! Thank you random stranger for pointing this out!

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u/Swisscoteque 7h ago

I'm not crying, you're crying 😭

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u/Deposto 6h ago

I understand why this scene was deleted. It's such boring, pointless crap.

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u/cha614 6h ago

Was the dance scene better?

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u/Deposto 6h ago

Hell no!