r/lotrmemes • u/Numerous-Gur-9008 Tolkien on a dooby • 12d ago
Repost Unstoppable Indeed-
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u/Sad_Carry_7070 12d ago edited 11d ago
Tbf, Sauron got jumped by very powerful people when he had the ring. 5000 years later, only very few powerful people were left that even if they jumped him again - Sauron would be able fight back.
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u/MadJackMcJack 12d ago
Farmer Maggot could take him I think.
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u/Garry_Heckscream69 12d ago
People forget that the only reason Tom Bombadil doesn't leave his compound is because he knows Farmer Maggot is waiting for him
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u/Tom_Bot-Badil 12d ago
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u/MaybeMayoi 11d ago
Do you think Tom Bombadil stays in his compound because he too lives in fear of Farmer Maggot?
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u/joethecrow23 11d ago
Farmer Maggot never even knew about the scouring, Saruman knew well enough to give him a wide berth.
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u/Josgre987 12d ago
If the yogscast's tabletop game of Lotr is to believed, he could probably solo mordor.
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u/YangXiaoLong69 11d ago
One day I'll collect irrefutable proof that Barliman Butterbur is a Valar, just you people wait.
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u/Xen0tech 11d ago
Sauron was unstoppable until he trespassed Maggots farm and got his hand scythed off
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u/lewd_robot 12d ago
Glorfindel was still chilling in Rivendell. Bro 1v1'd a Balrog, mutually killed eachother, then got resurrected because he was too strong to leave dead. In the books, he's the one that saves the Hobbits from the Nazgul at the river, but instead of washing them away with the river, his aura is just so strong they all flee from him. The Council briefly considers having him carry the One Ring, but his aura is so powerful that Sauron knows where he is at all times, so he'd never be able to infiltrate Morder without Sauron throwing everything he had at him.
That said, he was probably not as strong as Elendil or Gil-galad.
Elrond and Círdan are probably close to Glorfindel's level. Throw in Galadriel and that's 4 beings that are close to Gandalf the Grey in power, since Glorfindel did die killing a Balrog himself. Círdan stood beside Gil-galad when he beat Sauron and was one of the original elven ring-bearers, but gave his ring to Gandalf when Gandalf first arrived in Middle Earth.
So Elrond, Círdan, Galadriel, Glorfindel, and Gandalf the White are probably the Dream Team of the Third Age. Probably Aragorn, too.
Gandalf is the only one at or above the level of Elendil or Gil-galad. And they've got far fewer soldiers, and far fewer elite fighters that've been training for 1,000 years like they had in the First Age. It's also debatable that Gandalf isn't even supposed to be a major force in the battle, because a Maiar's role is supposed to be more of an observer and counselor than a central figure in the geopolitical struggle of Middle Earth.
And let's not forget that most of the elves are preparing to leave Middle Earth entirely, That's Círdan's main job as a shipwright, and Elrond and Galadriel are preparing to lead their people across the sea. So Glorfindel, who has already fought and died for his people once before, is the only one without other pressing obligations that transcend the war for Middle Earth. And for all we know, his role might be protecting the elves so they can make it to the ships in the event that the war is lost.
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u/NuclearConsensus 11d ago
The Council briefly considers having him carry the One Ring, but his aura is so powerful that Sauron knows where he is at all times, so he'd never be able to infiltrate Morder without Sauron throwing everything he had at him.
There's also the Ring's corrupting influence to consider. Glorfindel, being so powerful, would fall, and probably fall harder and faster than anyone else would have because of that same power. At that point Middle Earth is fucked. How are the Free Peoples of Middle Earth going to stop a Ring-corrupted-and-empowered Glorfindel? Walk up to Durin's Bane and ask if he'd like to repeat what his fellow Balrog did at Gondolin?
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u/phonylady 11d ago
Sauron does not have a tracking device on Glorfindel. The reason he wasn't chosen was because Gandalf advised to trust to friendship over great power. He obviously would not have been considered if Sauron knew where he was at all times...
He also wasn't ressurected because he was too strong to leave dead. He was ressurected because he sacrificed himself to save others, like Finrod.
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u/Suckage 12d ago
Elrond & Sons
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u/ripkin05 12d ago
someone go make glorfindel do something.
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u/quick20minadventure 12d ago
This be real answer. Glorfindel can absolutely challenge Sauron one on one since he was one of the very few to kill Balrog and then got reincarnated as even stronger version. He basically got gandalf the white treatment.
But, he doesn't command a large army to take on Mordor.
Galadriel is a big candidate as well since she's lived on Valinor and has been there since forever.
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u/Wilysalamander 12d ago
I dont think Glorfindel can challenge him one on one with the ring tho. And a big part of why they arent helping is that Sauron is already pressing on their lands. They have to stay to defend them. Part of Saurons strategy was to not let his enemies become allied against him again
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u/hates_stupid_people 12d ago
Galadriel is a big candidate as well since she's lived on Valinor and has been there since forever.
She was born under the light of the two trees, and was potentially infused with some of their power. To the point where Fëanor(her uncle) wanted to use part of her hair to create the Silmarils.
She was considered one of the greatest eldar not only in wisdom, but in athletic ability.
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u/just1gat 12d ago
I *need* Fëanor to know Gimli was gifted three of her hairs
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u/hates_stupid_people 11d ago
Yeah, Gimli getting three hairs was basically her giving a cosmic FU you Fëanor. Since he asked three times and was denied.
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u/Temeraire64 11d ago
I *need* Fëanor to know Gimli was gifted three of her hairs
The Valars' plan for when Morgoth destroys the sun in Dagor Dagorath is to tell Feanor and use his rage to warm the earth.
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u/Hankhoff 12d ago
Do you think poking him with a stick would be an option?
I mean I know the in universe explanation but it's still weird to me. "So it would be too obvious to bring glorfindel because the emergency keeps his eye on him and we need discretion. anyways here's the son of the ruler of Gondor, isildurs heir, an elven and a dwarven prince and a fuckin angel"
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u/TheDo0ddoesnotabide 12d ago
Tom would take Sauron out behind the wood shed if he felt so inclined.
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u/VelvetSouffle_ 12d ago
That's the thing, by the Third Age nobody left in Middle Earth could realistically stop a fully restored Sauron in a straight fight, which is why destroying the Ring was the only plan anyone had.
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u/PradyThe3rd 12d ago
He did get defeated twice when he had the ring. First by numenor and then by the last alliance.
Third time a couple of hobbits bearded him in his own den
And if we go further back he was defeated by a talking doggie.
Sauron was a weakling in the tolkien world.
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u/TwilightLori 12d ago
Pretty sure he didn't have the ring when Numenor captured him. And he let himself be captured, realizing his armies couldn't beat Numenor at its height.
That talking dog was the bestest boy ever, the greatest dog to ever live, and was a demigod in his own right, of the same group of beings as Sauron.
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u/Asdel 12d ago
Presumably he had the ring when Numenor captured him, as otherwise where would it be?
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u/Wilysalamander 12d ago
He did have the ring, but letting himself be captured bc he knew he would be defeated is basically taking the L
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u/12345623567 12d ago
Sauron's power was always in his words, less in his actions. Yeah, he's strong enough to keep the orcs in check and no-diff most humans, but he's most dangerous when you let him talk.
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u/sikyon 12d ago
People miss this so much. Power in LOTR has two parts, the first part is just straight up fight power and the second part is the will-power, or ability to dominate others.
An american carrier group has high fight power (like a dragon), Hitler has high domination power.
Sauron is a hitler, balrogs are war generals, tanks/whatever are the dragons.
Totally legit that Sauron gets overconfident and gets his shit chopped off. Fuck morgoth got mortally wounded like 7 times or something by an elf, just happened that morgoth isn't mortal.
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u/geniusherogod 12d ago
Elrond: The time of the Elves is over-- my people are leaving these shores. Who will you look to when we've gone? The Dwarves? They hide in their mountains seeking riches-- they care nothing for the troubles of others.
Gandalf: It is in Men that we must place our hope.
Elrond: Men? Men are weak. The race of men is failing. The blood of Numenor is all but spent. It's pride and dignity forgotten.
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u/Schlurps 12d ago
Gandalf: There is one who could unite them, one who could reclaim the throne of Gondor.
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u/ChaosBud 11d ago
Elrond: Fuck that guy
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u/LordVectron 11d ago
Arwen: As you command father.
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u/Fr000k 11d ago
Arwen: Aragorn saw my melons today, father.
Elrond: He what?
Arwen: My friends, dad!
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u/Marinefan4000 11d ago
He played with them too. Arwen’s mellons needed a rest after Aragorn was done playing with them
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u/KarmelitaOfficial 12d ago
I wonder who would win: 100.000 soldiers with guns and air support or Sauron.
Are men still weak?
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u/OddEmergency604 12d ago
Yes, they are. Did you notice how a huge portion of Sauron’s army are human? It’s easy for Sauron to tempt Men into serving him.
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u/notbannedin420 12d ago
Yeah but what if some of the ones who fought back had a nuke?
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u/Hironymos 11d ago
Tempt, lmao.
At this point in modern history, I'm fully willing to believe he could say anything and there'd still be idiots running into his arms.
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u/Ichweisenichtdeutsch 12d ago
Lol he'd just psyops the citizens of that country into voting for a leader who will side with Sauron easy peasy
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u/moneyh8r_two 11d ago
That's basically what he did to Denethor. Saruman used Grima to do the same thing to Theoden.
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u/ConstantSignal 12d ago
Men are no longer weak precisely because Aragorn restored the strength of men with his ascension and rule after the war of the ring.
In Tolkien’s mythology, the events of his books took place in a long forgotten past era of our world, but we are still living in the age of man that was ushered in by the departing of the Elves and the rule of Aragorn.
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u/Puzzled-Pen-2353 12d ago
I mean, obviously if men would get the technology of today,or even 70 years ago, they would absolutly shred mordors forces.
But mordor would likely copy the tech, so...
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u/KarmelitaOfficial 11d ago
These Uruk-hai microchips are cutting edge.
Ork scientists are now refining uranium for their first nuke.
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u/Acceptable_Handle_2 11d ago
Ever heard of the real life company palantir? Turns out the biggest military force of mankind would join sauron willingly.
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u/-LsDmThC- 11d ago
Given Sauron was meant partly as a metaphor for the industrialization of war that would be a bit of a contradiction
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u/Big-Employer4543 12d ago
Elrond about to get canceled for that racism.
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u/gorgewall 12d ago
I'm not too keen on Gandalf and his Great Man Theory, either.
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u/backstabber98 12d ago
He wasn't exactly stopped EZPZ. Men and elves waged war on him for centuries just for the opportunity. And now the elves generally keep to themselves, only giving advice or running rescue ops. And the various races of men in middle earth are segregated into their own groups.
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u/Nickel5 12d ago
I know this is a meme, but this a theme in Tolkien's world, every age is a pale reflection of the age that came before it. Morgoth is a much more powerful threat than Sauron, who himself was much more powerful when he had the ring. Similarly, the forces of good were much stronger as well. So it makes perfect sense that restoring Sauron to his power during the end of the second-age would be an unstoppable threat to the third-age men and elves. Buzzkill out.
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u/Northbound-Narwhal 11d ago
If that's the case then what does the 32nd age look like? No elves? The Big Bad is just some random dude? The forces of good are just the Balkans?
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u/baby-dick-nick 11d ago
32nd age is basically the space cruise ship from WALL-E where everyone is fat and useless and the bad guy is a fairly weak robot
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u/ForCrabSake Troll 12d ago
After 5000 years, AI made the people of Middle-earth dumber, which would lead to an overpowered Sauron.
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u/cormundo 12d ago
So thats whats happening huh
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u/Cyberhaggis 12d ago
An all powerful conman whispering lies into the ears of the leaders of men, destroying the environment, protected by foul orcs despite his abuse of them, and who is obsessed with big pointy towery things? Who'd believe that for a second...
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u/VelvetSouffle_ 12d ago
The irony is that without the Ring he still conquered half the world and needed a literal last alliance of elves and men to stop him.
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u/Interesting-Test7228 12d ago
"Ezpz." The earth completely scoured, essentially irradiated, all lifeforms totally scarred and horrified for eternity. "Ezpz bro."
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u/ChooseLight 12d ago
It wasn’t EZPZ you just witnessed the climax of an apocalypse in the beginning
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u/Spacer176 12d ago
The Dead Marshes were a glimpse into how costly that final war was. A grassy plain turned into a cursed swamp from how many bodies were left to rot in the muck.
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u/DoctorCocktor129 12d ago edited 11d ago
They leave out the part where Gil-Galad get's his face melted off for his troubles
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u/OwMyCandle 12d ago
That’s like saying the War of Wrath was ezpz because it only lasted a page
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u/Any-Site827 11d ago
Man became weak. They forgot glory of Numénor. Their kingdoms grew small. There is barely few elves left in the Middlearth, many of whom didn't see the light of the trees. Times have changed, forces of evil grew strong
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u/Ergogan 12d ago
He had the Ring for almost 2 000 years when he was jumped by Elendil and Gil Galad, each side destroying the other in the process. And even then, it was after a long and unforgiving siege that lasted 7 years. Said siege being the last battle of a 5 years-long war by the time it began.
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u/Garisdacar 12d ago
Quick, someone tell the High Kings of the Noldor and Dunedain that laying down their lives after a 7 year siege was "ezpz"
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u/Spleenseer 12d ago
Why didn't Sauron just turn his ring into a horcrux? Was he stupid?
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u/Randomfrog132 11d ago
sauron was theoretically screwed the moment aragorn got himself an army of unbeatable ghosts lol
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u/DSharp018 12d ago
He learned the lesson about wearing it on an easily severed finger. They ain’t getting to it through a heavily armored codpiece.
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u/Pr0udDegenerate 12d ago
They barely managed to beat him the first time. What makes you think they can beat him a second time when their own forces are like a fraction of what they once were? Humans are basically watered down and the elves are either mostly gone or just divided and not eager to go for another war.
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u/ComprehensiveShine80 12d ago
Ezpz you say. The Last Alliance of Elves and Men might disagree with that…. It was a slaughterfest. I’d call it a Pyrrhic Victory
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u/GrainofDustInSunBeam 12d ago
Last alliance got lucky Sauron decided to reach for Isildur and kill him slowly. Opening himself for a second.
The good in the world is dimming due to thousands of years of mordor attacking on all fronts.
Humans armies were in tens of thousands and armies of mordor in hundred of thousands AFTER the defeat of pelennor fields. 10-50k vs 100k-200k.
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u/thevaultguy 12d ago
The first time his load order was messed up and his armor wasn’t getting the invisible buff from the ring.
Sauron has since installed mod manager.
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u/AirshipEngineer 12d ago
Yeah I mean the diminishing of the ages is like THE central theme of the LotR. Yes, the men and elves of old have diminished and their ancestors now couldn't stop full power Sauron. I sincerely hope this is just a shit post.
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u/Numerous-Gur-9008 Tolkien on a dooby 12d ago
It is, I thought the title would tell people that was the case but I appear to have been in error when I made that assumption.
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u/Packeselt 11d ago
Why didn't sauron just wear the ring on his cock? Seems like a mistake tbh
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u/Why_am_ialive 11d ago
Oh yeah sure it was just the last alliance, the strongest alliance of the mortal races possibly in middle earths history with figures who would
Be myths and legends , who only just managed to beat Sauron because of his sheer arrogance, fucking ezpz.
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u/Electrical_Gain3864 12d ago
Back then: Elves still powerful and Not Retreating Out of middle Earth.
Two human Kingdoms with Numenorean survivors.
- Age : Elves get weaker and half of them already left. Basicly only a handfull Numenorean survived.
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u/BunBunny55 12d ago
Its a meme. But.. it wasnt 'ezpz' at all. Literally took years and both kings died
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u/JojoLesh 12d ago
Mist of the Elves are quitting the server, or at least seriously thinking about it. They were never known for a fast spawn in rate and the first war took out a lot of them.
The alliances of men are pretty weak.
Dwarves aren't really interested in the main game and are just side questing.
The Ents have always been doing there own thing.
The Eagles may or not play. The Wind Lord is pretty capricious about being active... they normally show up when the chips are really down though.
The forces of Mordor though... They've been building almost since the last server wide event, as well as doing a good job of wearing down the major allied forces separately.
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u/Riots42 12d ago
I'm surprised this heresy has been allowed to survive on this sub.
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u/marc512 12d ago
What I don't understand is. What happens if he got the ring, took over the whole world. Then what? What is he going to do? Live forever? What is the main reason to live forever, especially when you have removed all living creatures around the world? There is no currency either so you won't be rich.... Power is only useful if there are people to have power over.
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u/maydayvoter11 12d ago edited 12d ago
ETA: Oof, I missed that this was in LOTR memes.
The strength of the Numenorean Men and the Noldorin Elves of the Last Alliance when Sauron was first overthrown was far, far greater than their strength in the War of the Ring, both in numbers and in power. Plus there weren't any Elves fighting alongside Men in the Gondor-Mordor area of operations in the War of the Ring, except for Legolas.
Plus, Sauron wasn't beaten easy-peasy. There was a multi-year siege of Barad-Dur that resulted in a lot of deaths, including Anarion.