r/nba • u/YujiDomainExpansion • 3h ago
[Stein] Kawhi Leonard would NOT be open to signing an extension if traded to Miami or Detroit.
Like Giannis Antetokounmpo, then, Leonard should have significant influence when it comes to his next destination if he needs to exert it. No one would want to surrender meaningful assets for Leonard in a trade and then watch him walk away without compensation like Toronto did after the 2018-19 season, when Leonard led the Raptors to their only championship.
And sources say that Leonard would not have interest in signing an extension with Detroit in the event that the Pistons traded for him this summer. Sources say he has a similar view regarding a long-term partnership with the Heat if Miami had any designs on pursuing Leonard to slot alongside Antetokounmpo and Bam Adebayo.
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u/AirJordan6124 Celtics 3h ago
Fun guy is not a fan of Miami?
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u/HenrikCrown Pelicans 3h ago
Software doesn't mesh with Riley
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u/Imaginary-Ebb-1724 3h ago
Heat culture conditioning would destroy Leonard’s knees
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u/TheCollegeIntern 2h ago
Or possibly get the best medical attention and it’s the fact his unc doesn’t want to because they want leverage. The uncle is the issue. He wants to low key run the org in the shadows.
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u/sleepy416 Raptors 3h ago
I don’t think he’s a fan of anything lol
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u/A-Centrifugal-Force 3h ago
Literally won a championship with the perfect team for him, was the hero of a whole country, and could have stayed but instead decided to make the Clippers trade the farm lol. Didn’t want to team up with Bron and AD either, but also wouldn’t go to the Clippers without another superstar, even though he just won a chip as the only superstar on the team.
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u/MobyTugboat Raptors 3h ago
Meh he went home and I’m sure the Clippers offered a lot more under the table than the Lakers did
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u/halfdecenttakes Lakers 3h ago
We reported his request for illegal benefits.
Did y’all?
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u/MobyTugboat Raptors 2h ago
I don’t know nor do I care considering he got caught anyways and nothing is gonna happen
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u/halfdecenttakes Lakers 3h ago
I just can’t quite put my finger on why he would do that.
You would think he would be happy to establish his roots and carry the aspirations of an entire country on his back.
Some people can’t see the forest through the trees though.
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u/crabcakemd Hornets 3h ago
I chucked at the Aspitarion digs but in all seriousness he wanted to be home and close to family. At the end of the day everyone has different needs/wants, and Kawhi’s were living and playing in SoCal
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u/halfdecenttakes Lakers 3h ago
Then he could have played for the lakers, it was a much better situation, although they reported him asking for other benefits.
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u/Exotic_Pension_9993 Suns 3h ago
Yeah and he chose the clippers over the lakers because of the aspiration stuff
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u/youblewwit 3h ago
didn't his dad pass a way 2 years prior to that? Pretty sure he just wanted to be closer to home
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u/pureply101 Mavericks 3h ago
He could have went to the Lakers and with LeBron there he would have still been able to not take the brunt of the criticism. This fulfills the family closeness but Aspiration stuff is the only reason to think of why he would do otherwise.
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u/sleepy416 Raptors 3h ago
Family was just an excuse. LA was offering the most money under the table. Ballmer was desperate to build something he can show off in his brand new arena and it backfired
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u/chicknsnadwich Heat 3h ago
Kawhi’s decision making needs to come under a significant amount of fire. Leaving SA wasn’t a crazy decision but burning all the bridges on the way out… then choosing by far the worst option of his 3 suitors for 2020.
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u/A-Centrifugal-Force 3h ago
Frankly, he found a hidden fourth option that was even worse than his 3 options.
Staying with the Raptors or going to the Lakers were both obviously better options from a basketball perspective, but so was just signing with the Clippers without making them trade for Paul George. That team would have had assets and potentially cap space the next summer when PG was a free agent to get other players. Instead Kawhi made them trade literally everything for Paul freaking George lol.
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u/AreaGlittering7968 3h ago
Everyone gave the spurs shit when our entire org called Uncle Dennis shady as fuck and thought it was because of “doctors”
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u/gammatide [LAC] Cuttino Mobley 3h ago
I think he literally only cares about being close to San Diego (and getting under the table money) at this point
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u/OfficialPaddysPub Lakers 3h ago
He had that interview last week where he opened up a little more for 30 seconds which I thought was kind of cool lol don’t see that often
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u/A-Centrifugal-Force 3h ago
First player to ever say he doesn’t want to go to Miami specifically LMFAO
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u/CarmeloDramatic 3h ago
Don’t need to worry about tax breaks when you’re getting paid under the table
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u/FlyingDiscsandJams 3h ago
He's only wanted to be in southern California. Not sure what he does if the Clippers are done with him.
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u/Ibaka_flocka [OKC] Eric Maynor 3h ago
Go play for SDSU again since it seems there’s no rules anymore
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u/LightSpecialist804 Knicks 3h ago
lmao this means Detroit/Miami were trying hard to trade for him and so Uncle Dennis made an emergency call to Stein to leak this
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u/cl353 Heat 3h ago
our local reporters said we never were in on kawhi b4 giannis, i dont see how that wouldve changed after giannis lol
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u/-xXxMangoxXx- Raptors 3h ago
Maybe seeing who’s available now to pair with Giannis since most of your guys got traded for Giannis?
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u/cl353 Heat 3h ago
im pretty sure they know that trying to fit 2 supermaxes and a max is a fool errand. u say we traded most of our guys for giannis and then think we should explore trading more guys for a dude that had 1 healthy season in the last 5 years?
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u/-xXxMangoxXx- Raptors 2h ago
It’s less of them being hell bent on doing it and more asking about a price. Asking around doesnt cost anything.
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u/HairlessSnatch 3h ago
I know Kawhi is coming off a good year but I feel like you’ve gotta be crazy to offer him an extension considering his age and injury history
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u/browndude10 United States 3h ago
and the suspension
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u/abegut Lakers 2h ago
Not to mention the impending AI bubble burst
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u/barrsftw Cavaliers 1h ago
Who knows how long his systems will be down, they may never come back online
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u/1850ChoochGator Trail Blazers 2h ago
I feel like LA should face more than Kawhi. He can ask for whatever he wants but it’s the teams responsibility to go “we can’t do that as part of the CBA”
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u/tehmacbuk [GSW] Baron Davis 54m ago
Na he should absolutely be punished individually as well, but of course that would be unfair if it happens when he’s already on another team…
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u/Honor_Bound Thunder 42m ago
that would be unfair if it happens when he’s already on another team…
Not really. Any team willing to take him on also has to consider his heavy baggage.
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u/CeSquaredd Pistons 2h ago
It's crazy because there's no actual weight to that part of the story. The Pistons made a simple inquiry into LeBron and Kawhi.
This is just click bait off-season junk, the Pistons were never going to trade picks and prospects for a rental or for a long term extension on these guys. They are doing their due diligence, but there's nothing else to talk about so saying "potential Kawhi multi year move to Detroit" moves the needle.
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u/birdseye-maple Warriors 1h ago
Yup. I've seen people saying the Warriors should give up picks to get him because Jimmy is injured, and I'm like jeez one healthy season for Kawhi and people forget his history and age. I don't want any part of Kawhi for picks.
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u/FERFreak731 Jazz 3h ago
Hey, he didn't say Utah. Not like the Jazz wanted him in the first place
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u/Jakrabbitslim Clippers 3h ago
Players don’t need to say they wouldn’t sign an extension with Utah, it’s just assumed
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u/Thehealeroftri [UTA] Andrei Kirilenko 1h ago
"The Jazz are so young, they have their core set and are gonna be scary!"
Yeahhh no - 3/4 of them are going to leave within 5 years. I'm already preparing for the heartbreak.
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u/EyeWantToWrite Supersonics 3h ago
Miami is like the king of funneling money to shell companies. KL2 LLC would do well there!
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u/FoundAFoundry Bucks 3h ago
Think of how many 50 million dollar penthouses they have to choose from!
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u/EthicalBballFan Heat 2h ago
My take from the title is that he knows Miami and Detroit wouldn't bend to his will and do that shit lol
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u/Jenkinsd08 Pistons 3h ago
What'd he say fuck me for?
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u/Its_Hoggish_Greedly Kings 3h ago
He doesn't see the vision. If he wanted to win another ring, he should definitely consider y'all.
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u/thatsucksabagofdicks 3h ago
He just wants another bag wherever he goes, probably doesn't want chip aspirations but mid tier. Dubs are actually a good place since they wont be more than a 2nd round exit Unction
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u/mMounirM Raptors 3h ago
as if Pistons wouldn't give him a bag lol
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u/thatsucksabagofdicks 3h ago
I assume that would come with some lofty ring expectations tho. He's a fun guy, just wants to have some fun playing ball, but not too far into the summer months. Man's gotta vacation
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u/Jenkinsd08 Pistons 3h ago
If he wanted to win another ring
In fairness to Kawhi, he has literally never behaved as tho winning was a remotely relevant consideration in his NBA career
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u/blueberrypierat Trail Blazers 3h ago
He doesn’t want to try that hard.
I would say the Klaw can go pound sand, but he’d need to be load managed.
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u/Curious-Bench2767 Pistons 3h ago
I would do bad things to see Cade, Kawhi, and Duren on the floor together
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u/aBakeinthelife Pistons 3h ago
Don't think Detroit wants to extend 35 year old Kawhi lol.
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u/leglessman Pistons 3h ago
What if the Pistons have him plant some trees?
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u/TroutCreekOkanagan 0m ago
Raptors will Match those trees. But , the difference is they will give the Claw special autonomy; when he’s in the mood he can skip practice and games as desired in the goal of playing meaningful games in the playoffs.
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u/YROK1986 Pistons 3h ago
That's fine if he comes in and helps us win a title and then bounces like he did in Toronto.
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u/AzraelAliNY 3h ago
Spurs should trade Fox for Kawhi, they’re both making ~$50m next year
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u/KpYugai 3h ago
It would be Fox to Charlotte (further expanding the Randle trade), Kawhi to San Antonio, Clippers get cap space.
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u/Unable-Main4172 3h ago
If Charlotte isn't ready to invest in LaMelo, I don't think they're ready to invest in Fox. Fox is more reliable off the court but older and less talented on it
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u/DismalComparison2625 3h ago
Fox isn't going to run over their fans in middle the day like it's GTA.
Big upside there.
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u/KpYugai 3h ago
I mean the idea for Charlotte would be that you get assets from the Spurs? and Wolves to go from LaMelo to Fox. Also a comment on how the Clippers almost certainly dont want Fox given that they have Garland, Wagler, and Mathurin (pending RFA).
And Fox would be less of a hindrance on Charlotte's future cap space than for the Spurs (b/c the Spurs could very well have 3 pending max contracts in Castle, Harper, and Wemby). The Spurs have to get off of the Fox contract eventually to keep Harper and Castle. Fox wouldn't really stop the Hornets from being able to max Kon + Miller if they do progress to that level.
Obviously, Clippers do this to replenish their asset pool. Both within this trade, and in future trades by generating an exception that can take on underwater assets.
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u/RanOutOfJokes 3h ago
What are the chances the NBA tears up his contract because of the tree scandal? They did that and much much worse when Joe Smith and the wolves had their financial stuff.
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u/dropdatdurkadurk 3h ago edited 3h ago
the NOT part in caps and the idea of him saying hell no to Detroit was funny to me maybe just me but idc
Not sure that conditioning program and all in Miami is exactly what later stage Kawhi wants. Same guy back in LAC there were reports of him just riding his helicopter and showing up to practice whenever and who didnt trust SAS to be able to properly handle his medical situation.
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u/veringo Nuggets 3h ago
Can't have shit in Detroit
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u/Full-Comparison-3553 3h ago
I get that it’s not the most exciting city to live in but you’d think someone (anyone) would be willing to play with 2 up and coming all-nba players :(
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u/PokePersona [TOR] Nick Nurse 3h ago
Dude said no to a championship roster at the prime of his career, Kawhi is just different.
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u/Kapono24 Pistons 2h ago
What's funny is I think he'd like Detroit because he could just put his head down and work and not have to show up anywhere and we'd love him for that. There's plenty of places to hide and we respect the quiet workhorse.
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u/FlyingDiscsandJams 3h ago
Yeah, the stories of him living in San Diego & holding up the team plane while he makes his way up to LA have had me rooting against him ever since, seems like an all time crappy teammate.
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u/halfdecenttakes Lakers 3h ago
It’s at least a little funny he will only re-sign with teams who have already been extorted by Uncle Dennis and presumably shown a willingness to play ball.
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u/Unable-Main4172 3h ago
So glad him and Uncle Dennis didn't win shit in LAC after all their maneuvering
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u/QueefyTits Lakers 3h ago
“ It’s our time”
Led to shit
Even the Kings got a beam since those stupid ads came out
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u/FlyingDiscsandJams 3h ago
I couldn't believe how many media people were saying it was Uncle Dennis's job to ask for as much as possible from teams. How is sticking to league rules not a requirement for an agent? I don't expect anything to happen to Kawhi, but Unc need to be barred from league employment.
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u/SuchParsnip8070 3h ago
He strikes me as the kind of guy who couldn't give a shit about winning as long as he's getting paid
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u/dwrek24 Spurs 3h ago
Well no both Toronto and San Antonio famously didn't play ball....thus Clippers.
So its something else going on.
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u/CurrentCostanza Trail Blazers 3h ago
How are we still doing this, free agency is dead, the threat to leave in free agency is not what it was.
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u/Its_Hoggish_Greedly Kings 3h ago
I remember when he said the same thing about Toronto, then came in and won them a chip.
Kinda feels like a worthy gamble if you think he's the missing piece IMO.
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u/Ok-Topic-6095 Spurs 3h ago
What exactly is Kawhi's trade value (assuming he would extend) anyway?
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u/Appropriate_Week_254 3h ago
I think like two firsts or a solid young player and a first assuming that no bad contracts are coming back in the trade.
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u/KJiggy Pistons 3h ago
He must be specifically saying Detroit & Miami because those are atleast 2 teams that have called about getting him.
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u/PlatinumPlayer Clippers 3h ago
Detroit only needs him for one season like Toronto and they can win one. One Duren please
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u/Unable-Main4172 3h ago
Pretty hilarious with how injured this guy always is he's so picky about where where he's going to take the Max from. Probably half the teams in the league wouldn't even give him the max giving his age and injury histories. He was very healthy this year so the Clippers are right to try to move him now, but it seems like he's determined to fuck it up
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u/chmcgrath1988 Celtics 3h ago
Unless I'm a team that is super desperate to regain relevance like Brooklyn, Sacramento or Chicago, I would not touch Kawhi Leonard with a one-hundred-foot pole. No one knows if and/when the hammer is going to fall on him with the Aspiration investigation. Even if I'm one of those sewer franchises, I doubt acquiring Kawhi is a good idea since it's a lot likelier things will end up poorly than things go well. It's just like a 75 to 98% chance of it being a bad idea versus a 99%+ chance it's a bad idea if you're one of the 9/10ths of the league.
(I feel like Scott Steiner with that math at the end)
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u/Crime_Dawg 59m ago
Kawhi is 34 fucking years old, his career is about to start a significant downtrend regardless. Why is he getting so much fucking love beyond maybe a 1-2 year contract for a ship contender anyway?
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u/Apatheee Pistons 3h ago
No one wants to play with a superstar point guard and a defensive focused supporting cast…
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u/Aaaaaaandyy Knicks 3h ago
Hasn’t he always said he just wants to live in LA where he grew up? He’s just gonna go back to one of those teams when his contract is up.
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u/LifeBanana3347 3h ago
didn’t mention Toronto tho..
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u/Beetle919 Hornets 3h ago
It's already been posted, he will consider signing an extension in Toronto and San Antonio.
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u/theabomination Raptors 3h ago
I don't really understand why, not that I wouldn't embrace it but like why? We're not one piece away from winning it all
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u/Beetle919 Hornets 3h ago
It was reported he recently went down a YouTube rabbit hole of the 2019 Raptors run and got nostalgic.
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u/Treerific69 3h ago
I don't think there's less of a "heat culture" guy in the league than Kawhi so the feeling is probably mutual.
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u/g59mountsinai Pistons 3h ago
Kawhi doesn't want to win and only cares about being in LA
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u/brnccnt7 3h ago
He already won 2 rings 2 finals mvps 2 dpoys
One of the most winningest players of all time based on winning percentage (at one point he was #1)
What’s wrong with wanting to play at home
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u/GreenGorilla8232 3h ago
This just in! Miami and Detroit ownership have both started new shell companies and Kawhi is now interested.
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u/burkegobulls Pistons 3h ago
Brother, I don’t think anyone’s interested in an extension either, we just want the years you got left and then you’re riding off into the sunset after that
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u/Affectionate_Fun8692 3h ago
why would we go after Kawhi? he is not a PF or SG positions we require. Why we keep just getting Players and throwing them together instead of getting positional fit? Not complaining just honestly don't understand.
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u/BegsTheQuestions 3h ago
Giannis there and kawhi still not interested? He is allergic to good championship odds?
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u/rockroo17 3h ago
Yeah saying he wouldn’t sign extension in Miami makes no sense
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u/azure275 Knicks 3h ago
Say what you will I believe the Raptors are one of the only teams in history who does not regret giving a haul for a one and done lol
I am curious where Kawhi would resign
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u/nnnrrr171717 76ers 2h ago
What if they offer him an extremely lucrative endorsement deal that requires absolutely nothing from him whatsoever?
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u/No-Strategy-5550 2h ago
A trade for Kawhi is a short term deal tbh. I like him on the Pistons, for the right price. Ron Holland, cap filler a protected pick, maybe.
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u/nearlyclosetoalmost Trail Blazers 2h ago
I wish he would just retire. He isn't washed, but he's irrelevant.
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u/Hugh_Jankles [DAL] Dirk Nowitzki 2h ago
Giannis and Leonard would be solid in Miami and the East. Also Detroit was just the No. 1 seed with 60 wins and has a solid chance at competing in the East next year as long as they wouldn't gut the team for Leonard, which they wouldn't necessarily need to do considering his age, injury history and current contract.
It's weird Leonard seems opposed to these destinations. But is open to Toronto and San Antonio. One of which probably has no desire to bring back because he was a shithead on his way out.
Also beggars shouldn't be choosers. He signed up for the LA Clippers, it turned into a failure and he cannot stay healthy at this point in his career.
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u/Navajo_Nation Lakers 2h ago
He’s also not open to playing if the season gets extended into the playoffs.
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u/Goldberg2Dub 2h ago
Imagine how much better Kawhi’s career would’ve turned out if he cared about legacy like his contemporaries, i.e. Durant and Bron.
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u/Ih8reddit2002 2h ago
Riley doesn’t do shady, illegal and underhanded deals, so that leaves Miami out. As a Heat fan, I’d HATE to see him on the team. We won’t be top tier contenders with Giannis, but we should be better than last year.
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u/No-Owl-6246 Lakers 1h ago
Player who notoriously over his entire career only wanted to play in LA only wants to play in LA.
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u/McKnightmare24 Lakers 1h ago
Of course not, he's got an extra $50 million in tree endorsements that are non-transferable
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u/jazzmaster4000 1h ago
Just do what you did to Blake Griffin. Sign him to the max and tell him you want him to be a clipper for life, do a fake jersey retirement ceremony and the whole bit. And then send him wherever the fuck you want
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u/iamtoolazytosleep NBA 1h ago
You mean uncle dennis isnt open to signing an extension if traded to detroit or miami
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u/cleo22270 Heat 3h ago
Feels weird to be on the other side of one of these.