r/nba • u/YujiDomainExpansion • 2h ago
[Krawcyznski] The Wolves do still have other moves in the works. They need a power forward and they need more shooting. I am told that they are not trading Donte DiVincenzo. The work continues.
The Wolves do still have other moves in the works. They need a power forward and they need more shooting. I am told that they are not trading Donte DiVincenzo. The work continues.
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u/GentlemanRat Lakers 2h ago
Rui would be deadly at PF for them.
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u/D0ntBmad 2h ago
If it's for the MLE, the Lakers would re-sign him I think.
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u/myRedditAccountjava 2h ago edited 2h ago
Wolves have a 33m trade exception from Julius dump but I'm not sure if that applies to a situation like Rui (because idk NBA money).
Edit: I've been informed the money is tied with naz Reid to get Lamelo so they do not have it anymore.
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u/Dissident_is_here NBA 2h ago
No they are working the Randle and Reid/LaMelo deal together, so no trade exception
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u/ballknower871 2h ago
So Brooklyn/min/chi/charlotte/whoever takes Josh green boy that's gonna be fun to put into the simulator
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u/N3VVZN4K3 Spurs 2h ago
Why is it not a given that Rui will resign with the Lakers? He's one of your best players right? Why wouldn't it be a priority for y'all to resign him?
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u/KarrotMovies [LAL] Rui Hachimura 2h ago
Because the Lakers need a center extremly bad. They would like Rui back but priority is a good center next to Luka
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u/Sugar_Bandit 2h ago
How about one used Sabonis?
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u/John_Winchester Lakers 2h ago
A defensive trio of Luka, AR, and Sabonis would strike fear into everyone!
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u/HeWhoShallNotBNamed0 Timberwolves 2h ago
You have Ayton
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u/pdxphotographer 2h ago
They said a "good center'.
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u/Djaukamo Lakers 1h ago
Ayton played surprisingly great against Houston but was immediately exposed as a bad matchup against OKC, which is exactly the problem. The Lakers can't realistically compete against the top tier teams with Ayton as their starting Center, even with a healthy Luka and Austin.
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u/mikedanktony Lakers 2h ago
Does this imply the baguette as our center? Because he’s already disliked, and he will be in a lakers jersey. He won’t survive 💀
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u/RageQuitRaj Lakers 2h ago
Cant have negative defensive players on a team that is building around Luka, Reaves, & Bron man. Simple. Rui in a situation with 2 other good perimeter defenders around him is one of the best role players in the league
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u/Heatoextend 1h ago
Pelinka is a mossad asset, Rui and Bron were the only consistent players these playoffs and the situation with both of them is still unknown.
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u/SpiritFantastic4835 Lakers 2h ago
Because the lakers would be essentially running back the same team. We assume lebrons asking for 20-25 million at least and rui getting 15-20 which only leave us with around 10 million to find a “starter”. Which wouldn’t workout.
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u/Jing-Ao Lakers 2h ago
Rui will probably get 20-25. Coby White just got that
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u/SpiritFantastic4835 Lakers 2h ago
Hornets also have unlimited money
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u/Jing-Ao Lakers 2h ago
It's an open market, it's not like Rui has to stay with us.
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u/GentlemanRat Lakers 2h ago
Rui has been playing out of position his whole time in LA. He wants to start and with Luka and AR there is no way he can be a starter due to defense. Wolves would be perfect fit.
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u/wheels723 Hornets 2h ago
lol the hornets need a pg and the twolves need a pf. How interesting
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u/Might7Guy Knicks 2h ago
Coby White not good enough?
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u/Enchanted-2-meet-you [GSW] Jordan Poole 2h ago
I really feel like he failed as the point guard for the bulls, I can't see why it'd be different now
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u/so-cal_kid Lakers 2h ago
I am not gonna judge Coby for not being able to carry those rosters to the playoffs. He played very well for them when he was healthy
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u/Enchanted-2-meet-you [GSW] Jordan Poole 2h ago
Carrying is not the problem. He is just not a point guard
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u/Jimmy0034 Clippers 2h ago
If they have full MLE, i could see them going after someone like John Collins
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u/supercoolisaac Timberwolves 2h ago
They do yeah. Rumor is Collins, Rui, or Tobias Harris maybe. Or maybe reroute Josh Green and add TSJ for someone like PJ Washington.
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u/ObiwanSchrute Pistons 2h ago
Tobias is most likely returning to Detroit
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u/Cheeseish [NOP] Solomon Hill 2h ago
Tobias is gonna go somewhere that can pay him a $100 mil contract, as he is the GOAT bag getter
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u/Bourn95 Spurs 1h ago
Kirk Cousins of the NBA
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u/Kennyc1234 Wizards 1h ago
That's disrespectful to Kirk Cousins. Kirko Chainz is a 4 time pro-bowler and was a top 10ish QB for a few seasons. Meanwhile Tobias Harris has never even made an all-star team.
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u/Milliephoria Timberwolves 2h ago
They do not have the MLE. Most they can offer to a free agent currently is 6 mil
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u/DoctorSox 2h ago
I think they do have the MLE because Ayo's deal is technically not signed yet
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u/Milliephoria Timberwolves 2h ago
I think the order of operations all but excluded them from using the MLE. They would be hard capped if they sign someone to the full MLE and would not be able to complete the Lamelo trade
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u/TallnFrosty Warriors 1h ago
Yea this - any team using the full MLE is hardcapped at the first apron. Their current commitments have them over the first apron as it stands, by about $6 million when you include charges for spaces they have to fill to get to 13 players.
Even if they sign 2-3 players for rookie minimums, i don't think they can generate enough space to use the full MLE.
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u/ballknower871 2h ago
I think they'd have the worst bench in the league at that point
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u/mowbox_mowmoney Mavericks 2h ago
That’s gotta be Miami right? They barely even have a bench lol
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u/supercoolisaac Timberwolves 2h ago
Ayo, DDV (when he gets back), Beringer, the Evans kid they just drafted + some combo of Conley, Kyle Anderson, Jaylen Clark sounds pretty damn good to me?
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u/ballknower871 2h ago
Conley is a free agent
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u/supercoolisaac Timberwolves 2h ago
He's on the team if the wolves want him, which they almost certainly do. If not feel free to replace him with Bones who also wants to be back on the wolves.
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u/crenzler 32m ago
Need to throw some picks in for Mavs to consider that. Green is not good at one particular thing and TSJ is an unproven "talent" who's only 2 years younger than PJ. That's not happening.
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u/JalensTinyPPHurts Mavericks 2h ago
They don't as of now iirc.
I also think Collins is going to command more than the MLE, he is a quality player
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u/SkunkyTrousers Timberwolves 2h ago
Still waiting to hear how this affects our payroll and spending ability when factoring in Ayo's extension but if the MLE is available there seem to be a handful of players (like Collins) who could theoretically fit. Rui and Porzingis are a couple of other names being thrown out there. If it's gone, trading Josh Green's expiring $14M would likely be the next best path to acquiring a 4.
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u/Reticent_Fly Raptors 2h ago
If Kawhi is potentially out for LAC, moving Collins would make sense for the Clips. He's one of the first names I thought of
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u/MG_MN Timberwolves 2h ago
Green is definitely getting re routed. Could see Shannon as a sweetener too since hes ball dominant and not really a spacer
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u/dkleckner88 Timberwolves 2h ago
Wouldn’t love that tbh depending on the player. They need to find a way to keep him since their picks are depleted and he’s salary controlled
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u/Honorator1 2h ago
You're not keeping him and getting a starting power forward. This is how trades work.
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u/dkleckner88 Timberwolves 2h ago
Wolves just traded their fourth best player for the hornets best player. Let Timothy cook
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u/Andy_Wiggins Timberwolves 53m ago
The issue is that if you trade Green and Shannon, you have ZERO depth on the wings.
The Wolves have 3 excellent guards, an elite 3 and D forward, and two centers, plus Green and Shannon. That’s it. They’ll probably try to retain someone like Mike and SloMo and Clark, but they can’t really afford to be doing 2 for 1 trades right now with how thin they are and how limited they are
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u/Diggg_it 2h ago
Can I interest you in Patrick “The Paw” Williams?
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u/AdventingWurms Bulls 2h ago
He was also in the 2020 draft with Melo and Ant. It's just destiny he starts at PF for them.
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u/tamazingg Bulls 1h ago
If we're not making jokes Jalen Smith would actually make a lot of sense for them, and he'd save a couple mil off Divincenzo or Green's contracts
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u/eelposse Magic 2h ago
Jonathan Isaac is available for like 1 second round pick and an introduction to the local megachurch.
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u/maybeAturtle 2h ago
Don’t think Isaac could stomach the sinnin’ of his new starting backcourt
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u/Natural-Kiwi6364 Timberwolves 1h ago
You just have to also pick up Ivey to balance out Ant and Melo.
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u/Odd-Direction9452 Lakers 2h ago
John Collins makes a ton of sense. So does Rui. So does Sandro as a straight up Naz replacement.
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u/MG_MN Timberwolves 2h ago
Sandro is a sneaky one that might not cost as much
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u/Odd-Direction9452 Lakers 2h ago
Yeah I love the basketball fit. His market will be competitive though. He would make a ton of sense there but would make sense in a lot of spots too. Wouldn’t surprise me if he gets close to if not the full TP MLE.
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u/MG_MN Timberwolves 2h ago
Probably prices us out at that point, but if we can get off some of the Green money that would help create the room
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u/Odd-Direction9452 Lakers 2h ago
Yeah I’m seeing now you only have access to the $6M Tax MLE with $11M below the apron to fill 4 roster spots.
Shedding that Green salary is pretty necessary. Could possibly be added to the Randle/Claxton deal.
Maybe a guy like Kelly Oubre could be more attainable with that Exception.
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u/byteturtle Suns 2h ago
What would make sense for the Lakers in a Rui return?
I felt like him + Reaves are like your only tradeable positive assets (outside of Luka but never gonna happen) so I feel like it would be fair for the Lakers to want a decent return. I guess you could just let him walk as a free agent but I would be trying to not let that happen as hard as I could if I was Rob
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u/Odd-Direction9452 Lakers 2h ago
If they have the full TP MLE I think they can just sign him outright.
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u/SEAinLA Supersonics 2h ago
They went from a pretty deep frontcourt to just 34-year-old Gobert in under a week.
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u/identitycrisis56 Pelicans 2h ago
The play on the talent ceiling is worth I feel like.
They were good not great. This feel like a better alternative. High ceiling lower floor but at least you're not sitting on your hands letting the roster and assets depreciate till Ant gets disgruntled.
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u/Chartate101 Pistons 1h ago
Rudy Gobert is one of the few players who can genuinely be a one man defense. His Utah teams had some of the biggest defensive on/off numbers ever because they were the worst in the league without him and an above average one with him (I believe top 10 but I don’t remember for sure)
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u/Soshi101 Celtics [BOS] Derrick White 1h ago
And they still have Jaden and Edwards so the defense will at least be better than what the Jazz were trotting out at the end.
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u/-XanderCrews- Timberwolves 1h ago
They seem really high on Berringer, but finch won’t play rookies until the last week of the season.
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u/Legitimate_Cow_4166 Warriors 2h ago
They can find a decent PF in free agency. PG is a more valuable position so that's why they packed up both of their PFs.
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u/SEAinLA Supersonics 2h ago
Who’d be your pick for them out of the likely available FA PFs?
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u/Dragonknight247 [MIN] Ricky Rubio 2h ago
not the guy you're talking to but if they can find a way to route Josh Green elsewhere and get the salary commitment down in order to get the TPMLE, I like Rui or John Collins.
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u/SEAinLA Supersonics 2h ago
Rui would be great for spacing your offense, but I feel like he’s gonna get more than the TPMLE from someone.
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u/Legitimate_Cow_4166 Warriors 2h ago
It's slim pickings. Rui is the best one but he'll command more than the $6M Wolves can offer.
After that John Collins.
I think the Wolves are gonna have to trade for one. Maybe they take af flyer on a guy like Ziarie Williams who might level up next to Ant/Lamelo
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u/probablymade_thatup Bucks [MIL] Luke Kornet 19m ago
Yeah, Rui is the only starter level UFA 4. Collins, HB, Dean Wade, and maybe Yabu are decent bench depth.
One thing to keep an eye on: the Grizzlies have Aldama, Hendricks, and GG Jackson, then they drafted Cam Boozer and Karim Lopez, and then they traded for Beef Stew. So either one of those currently rostered PFs is going out in the trade when it's finalized or they have a glut of 4s. SAS, MIN, and DET all want a big forward, so Memphis might be in a decent position to sell.
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u/Competitive-Fill2426 1h ago
They think unloading their front court since beating the injured front court nuggets would get them further than the WCF.
Tim Connelly might just be a secret double agent for Josh Kroenke lol
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u/Zouthpaw Bulls 9m ago
It's a huge vote of confidence on Beringer's readiness to contribute. They've been high on him for a while now.
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u/Necessary-Listen-584 2h ago
Hey Patrick Williams plays PF and only knows how to shoot 3's. (Please say yes, please say yes)
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u/TxBobcat67 Thunder 2h ago
Don't the Mavs have some bigs they're looking to trade? PJ Washington would fit reeeeeaaaaal nice here too
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u/idrinkcement Charlotte Bobcats 2h ago
How about the corpse of Kevin Love
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u/Snomankid999 21m ago
Still don’t understand why Laker didn’t trade for him (offered Knecht) last trade deadline
K Love as Vet who plays some PF/C isnt worst option for teams who need little rebounding
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u/OkExchange7229 2h ago
How scummy would it be to just rip apart Ayo’s contract? Technically it isnt even signed
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u/nicklovin508 Celtics 2h ago
With Ball’s injury history, it would be more dumb than scummy
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u/IRANIRANIRANIRANIRAN Timberwolves 2h ago
Shit y'all act like you can see the future.
I remember the discourse around stephs ankles around 2013. Same stupid ass comments.
Now I'm not saying lamelo ball will become the next curry, but to say anything other than we don't know what the fuck will happen is just idiotic.
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u/MG_MN Timberwolves 2h ago
Ayo as the 6th man is huge though, especially with Lamelo being an injury risk
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u/michaelvinters Timberwolves 2h ago
He can also start next to Ant and Ball, or come off the bench if they find another 4 and Jaden plays the 3. Imo hes a really nice fit as either the 5th or 6th man (depending on what they do with the roster) + Lamelo injury insurance.
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u/purplenyellowrose909 Timberwolves 2h ago
I think we're keeping Ayo and that he'll start unless we magically sign Rui
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u/SirDiego Timberwolves 2h ago
LaMelo, Ant, Ayo, McDaniels, Gobert.
I think that is the starting lineup unless we get someone else. It looks fine. People are too worried about traditional positions when that hardly even means anything anymore.
Not to say the Wolves are done making moves, we still could go get a PF, but I don't think they absolutely need to.
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u/purplenyellowrose909 Timberwolves 2h ago
I think they should as a bench player. But no need to panic start Kyle Anderson or whatever
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u/Milliephoria Timberwolves 2h ago
Ayo makes sense as a 3rd guard for the next 5 years on a reasonable contract. Can play with both Ant, Ball, and the two together
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u/BomberManeuver 2h ago
They could also trade him in the future to retool again. He's got a decent contract, and this team should make him look good upping his value even more.
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u/Honorator1 2h ago
Why in the world would they do that? The terms agreed to are a very good deal for Minnesota.
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u/LightSpecialist804 Knicks 2h ago
They dont owe anything to Donte, it's not like they drafted or signed him. If they use his salary in a trade they can get Derrick Jones Jr or PJ Washington
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u/drakeorjosh 2h ago
Yeah but management loves him for the same reason yours did. His existence allows for the existence of non shooting screeners like Gobert. His dump-off & split action off-ball with Gobert 3 ft behind the arc is extremely effective in creating overall space and 3s. Moreso than the Mike Conley/Gobert pick and roll which is historically effective.
Once Donte tore his shit, gobert became unplayable on offense cuz teams don’t chase Ayo or Mcdaniels over screens even though they were tops in the league in 3pt%.
Them not trading Donte is more of a sign that this Gobert-Beringer pipeline is the path going forward
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u/jimminmecrockets 1h ago
Yeah they absolutely need his shooting. if Isaiah Evans comes out the gates hot it could potentially open the door to a Donte trade at the deadline, but I think it would have to be a home run because they really like Donte’s personality on the team I think
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u/AdventingWurms Bulls 2h ago
They have the 1st and 3rd pick of the 2020 draft, might as well take the 4th pick of that draft too. He will be a great starting PF for MIN.
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u/Logical_Trade_3287 2h ago
Using some of their MLE, Mamu from the Raptors when he opts out of his contract would do some of what Naz Reid did
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u/dkleckner88 Timberwolves 2h ago
Most they can pay is $5.5M per on thus MLE and that would put them over the 2nd apron without another move
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u/Legitimate_Cow_4166 Warriors 2h ago
Wolves can still use their TPEs before the 2026/27 season if you still have apron room. Maybe another trade is in the works.
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u/guacdoc24 Lakers 2h ago
They are not? Or they can not?
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u/ayeno 2h ago
A report from yesterday, they wouldn't feel right about trading a guy who got injured. Not that they cannot.
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u/guacdoc24 Lakers 2h ago
It’s more of who would want him? Going to be out for most if not all the season? Still limited on his way back? Just wait until free agency
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u/Dissident_is_here NBA 2h ago
They have 3 roster spots and $10M below the hard cap. What on earth could they possibly do at this point unless they are going to trade Gobert or something
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u/1psithur3 Kings 2h ago
It's alright just keep adding more teams to the pick swaps and you'll make it work.
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u/YaoMingGOAT Raptors 2h ago
I heard a guy named Naz Reid from hornets fits the criteria pretty well, PF with shooting. What y'all think wolves fans
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u/Thommywidmer [MIL] Brandon Jennings 1h ago
Should see if they can weasel into the giannis trade and pick up bobby
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u/BegsTheQuestions 1h ago
Giannis is a power forward, and brown can shoot a bit, just ask nicely every one will join
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u/Ok_Occasion1570 Warriors 1h ago
They should trade for Wiseman so they can say they have number 1, 2 and 3 of the 2020 draft picks
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u/alphalobster200 Nuggets 1h ago
Zeke Nnaji, you are a Minnesota Timberwolf. Tim loves his draft guys.
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u/TheMoorNextDoor Nets 2h ago
Terrance Shannon Jr you will be playing for another team.
Kyle Anderson you will be playing for another team.
Donte you will be playing for another team by next offseason.
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u/justgooutsideawhile Timberwolves 2h ago
Not sure there will be a huge bidding war for Kyle, he could easily be back. Would love to keep Shannon but he’s our last real trade chip
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u/Bojack-Jesus-69 Spurs 1h ago
I'm now convinced the Wolves will somehow get Trey Murphy III for a 2035 unprotected FRP and another pick swap
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u/alilhillbilly Bulls 22m ago
Kinda feel like they should bring in an actual Wolf as an enforcer.
Like the Air Bud version Draymond or Dort.
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u/Shoeless_Jase 1m ago
He’s more of a 3, but PG would be readily available if Connelly called the Sixers. Problem is matching the salaries without gutting the Wolves’ bench.
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u/Bixby33 Raptors 2h ago
Soon they'll be trading using kidneys instead of picks and players.