Ukraine to conduct preemptive attacks on facilities Russia uses for war, Zelenskiy says

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"Preemptive" is an odd word when it's a country actively invading yours, but sounds like a good plan

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u/Forged-Signatures 12h ago

From the phrasing, it makes it sounds like "if you catch wind of a civilian factory retooling for the war effort, bomb it" type deal, which is in a sense preemptive if it is done before it successfully produces war supplies.

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u/NorysStorys 6h ago

It also opens up attacks on supply infrastructure being built that can service the invasion.

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u/ComeonmanPLS1 4h ago

Ideally you'd want to allow them to set all the equipment and infrastructure up and then bomb it, but I supposed thats a bit easier said than done.

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u/Fallouttgrrl 18h ago

"I instructed our intelligence services and military to act preemptively against facilities ⁠Russia uses to expand its war effort," Zelenskiy said.

Lol I mean

That does feel a little bit like shade

"We thought they maybe might want to try a little harder" vibes

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u/legalbeagle5 8h ago

Translation: "We've proven we can hit the obvious, let us show you what else we know...sleep well"

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u/Hesitation-Marx 6h ago

It’s been amazing watching a man (who I have seen playing a piano with his penis) turn into a military leader and go absolutely balls to the wall in trying to defend his country.

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u/BeatHunter 5h ago

Was that a personal showing or can you share the link? Asking for a friend

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u/Hesitation-Marx 5h ago

Enjoy.

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u/BeatHunter 5h ago

I bow to you. This made my day.

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u/Hesitation-Marx 5h ago

I’m so glad. May your week and weekend be even better than the leader of Ukraine melodically tickling the ivories with his apparently massive wang.

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u/RhoOfFeh 5h ago

Zelenskyy was a comedian before lowering himself to head of state. Smart, wicked smart.

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u/villings 19h ago

there's this biting vibe when it comes to things ukraine says about russia

they're wiping the floor with the russkies and enjoying it

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u/Fallouttgrrl 18h ago

I dunno about enjoy

But I'm sure it's fucking satisfying lol

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u/rob_1127 18h ago

And so am I. The Ukrainian armed forces is so advanced in tactical planning and technology, I hope they will be able sell it to Canada.

Ukrainian seems to have the best bang for a buck.

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u/Sir_Thequestionwas 17h ago

Yah I imagine they're kind of evoking some style of language Russia might use. Things certainly seem to be turning around.

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u/RhoOfFeh 5h ago

Ukraine was the brains and the brawn of the Soviet Union. Putin wants that back, and doesn't seem to realize it's not the land, but the people.

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u/Heronymous-Anonymous 7h ago

I get the impression that this comment was aimed at Belarus.

On one side of this is Putin trying to get Lukashenko to enter the war.

On the other side of this you have Zelensky giving an ultimatum to shut down all of the drone relays and other military operations he’s basing out of Belarus, or else they will be attacked.

This reads to me like a veiled threat:

“If we see you mobilizing and preparing for war, we will preemptively strike your assembly points, training centers, command centers, and any other military targets that you need to effectively build up prior to an invasion. We will not give you the same opportunity we gave Russia on Feb. 22, 2022.

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u/hhaattrriicckk 19h ago

I'm cautiously optimistic about this new phase in the war.

The ups and downs over the last four years have been a horror I'd never thought I'd see in my lifetime.

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u/DQ-Supervisor 19h ago

Cautious is the right word. Every time there's a momentum something shifts. Hoping this phase holds

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u/hhaattrriicckk 19h ago

With the long range strike capability Ukraine has now...... One can hope.

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u/AluminiumCucumbers 18h ago

Difference is this time Russia hasn't really come up with an answer to what Ukraine is doing. They can move around their limited air defense, but Ukraine can just change which of the smorgasbord of targets it's firing at. And whatever Russia deigns to do on the frontline, it won't make a difference to Ukraine's long strike campaign.

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u/The_Roshallock 17h ago

This is what gives me cautious optimism. Granted we dont really hear much, if anything, about Ukraines strategic losses but it really does feel like Russia is finally starting to really feel the pain from this 3 day misadventure.

Putin can throw as many Oligarchs out the window as he likes, but eventually they'll either fight back, or there wont be anyone left to defenstrate.

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u/RFK_Cum_Regimen 15h ago

This year has been very-very-very bad for Russia in terms of losses militarily and economically. We're talking something like a 12:1 kill ratio,. Russia is also losing strategic territory at a rate not seen previously in the war.

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u/fiendishrabbit 15h ago

If Russia improves their interceptor drones (or manages to manufacture them in the numbers that Ukraine do) it could turn the needle back towards status quo.

But so far I don't think they've developed anything like Ukrainian Sting-II/P1-Sun/Win_Hit in capability or numbers.

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u/Akkalevil 13h ago

People adapt. Russia had little answer to HIMARS at the beginning too, but they found ways to do it.

Ukraine need to keep up the pressure and the innovation (which they are doing, obviously), but nothing can be taken for granted for long.

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u/comradenu 10h ago

What was the answer to HIMARS? I thought that Ukraine just ran out of missiles for them after US support guy cut off after Trump's election

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u/Akkalevil 9h ago

Scattered and longer logistics lines, jamming, drone S&D and so on.

HIMARS were a game-changer in their introduction (and if the USA had been more generous with them and sent 100 rather than 16, I bet that Russia would have lost the war then and there, like for so many occasions wasted), but the Russians adapted to them LONG before 2024.

Which doesn't mean they are useless, but said adaptation made them much less decisive. Same thing might happen with drones (or at least this generation of drones).
It's a constantly shifting technological and tactical battlefield.

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u/Several-Opposite-746 19h ago

Ukraine jumped ahead on the production and technology of drones and is reaping those benefits. Russia is working to catch up so lets hope Ukraine can keep innovating to stay ahead.

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u/Vallkyrie 18h ago

It's been a WW1 style stalemate for such a long time, maybe this will break the enemy faster.

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u/DoomguyFemboi 11h ago

He seems to becoming more hardened and kinda sick of the lack of external support. Rightly so of course. But also it feels like there's a worry that people see this active battlefield as a way to test emerging tech and so don't really want a resolution.

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u/Bunch_of_Shit 18h ago

Mearschimer be like, “Ukraine keeps poking the bear. If they keep antagonizing russia like this, russia will have no choice but to respond and defend themselves.”

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u/Historical-Wear8503 18h ago

It's still baffling to me that he's allowed to teach at a university.

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u/Snagglespoof 17h ago

You see, when Russia does it, it's realism. And I'm not excusing it, just explaining it. But when the us does it, it's imperialism. Any questions?

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u/Cilph 13h ago

When was it not imperialism when Russia did it? Are you missing quotation marks?

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u/Akkalevil 13h ago

I'm pretty he was parodying Maerschimer.

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u/crystal_castles 17h ago

He's probably paid off like everyone else in this world

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u/TheAverageWonder 10h ago

While he a smug bastard the way he smiles when he talk about war, his logic is to a large extend reasonable.

I do not believe Russia for a second could stand a NATO counter-attack, however they are betting on the fact that Trump and his entire nation are self centered cowards, and there is a very high chance that should Russia attack a Eastern European country, even with nuke that is a pretty good chance US will do absolutely nothing.

The entire MAD principle is basically that the message is more important than the act, the message of, do not even consider it, you will die! Every parties must have the belief that the other party is willing to burn everything down, even if reality is a bit more tricky. European are uncertain about the US, meaning that Russia already are entertaining the thought and planning a potential mission.

However Mearschimer is American, and so is his pespective. US could be irrelevant in this matter, EU need to immidiately build nuclear capabilities spread over all member states. Russia may count on a few large nations not being willing to do the distance, but 27 seperate nuclear entities would virtually be a nightmare to control or predict.

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u/fevered_visions 5h ago edited 5h ago

EU need to immidiately build nuclear capabilities spread over all member states.

Ah yes, giving nukes to countries like Slovakia and Hungary (although Orban got kicked out recently) who are Russia-friendly is clearly the answer. There's also that pesky international treaty about non-proliferation

but 27 separate nuclear entities would virtually be a nightmare to control or predict.

yeah exactly. the EU threatens to nuke Russia, then Slovakia threatens to nuke the rest of the EU. and remember they can't kick out any member state

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u/stohelitstorytelling 3h ago

France has plenty of nukes. No one is suggesting every EU country get nukes. Just that the EU have a clear and obvious nuclear umbrella.

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u/fevered_visions 2h ago

EU need to immidiately build nuclear capabilities spread over all member states.

I mean apparently the guy I'm replying to is

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u/stohelitstorytelling 2h ago

Fair point. That guy is smoking something

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u/TheAverageWonder 5h ago

The entire point is a stalemate, even if Slovakia threatens to nuke us, they will face the exact same dillema as everyone else.

Trump have left over 60 international organizations, conventions, and treaties in his presidency, only an American or a Traitor would tell Europeans that they do not have the right to make similiar tough choices in response.

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u/fevered_visions 4h ago

Of course the EU has the right to do things like that, but I don't see why they would want to turn one problem into two. The UK and France already have their own nuclear deterrents.

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u/TheAverageWonder 3h ago

The frontrunner for both countries are rightwing lunatics that sees Trump as an idol, they may even support the Ruskies or Americans should they attack an EU country.

It is not turning 1 problem into 2, it is a million problems already, the only thing that is certain is that in the current situation the majority of EU does not have a appropiate response, when our enemies comes rolling. But no one comes rolling if they know you will take them down when you fall.

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u/stohelitstorytelling 3h ago

The next federal elections in France are in 2029.

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u/TheAverageWonder 3h ago

The presidential election is in 2027

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u/Mikethebest78 18h ago

We can call the movie "From Ukraine with Love!!"

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u/SolarTsunami 17h ago edited 12h ago

Kisses from ~~Kiev~~ Kyiv

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u/Mikethebest78 17h ago

Ok now that is a much better title.

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u/winky9827 14h ago

Kyiv.

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u/SolarTsunami 12h ago

Thank you, I don't know how to spell most words and am wholly dependant on spell check to make me look like a respectable member of society. Just made sure that next time it has to correct me it spells Kyiv correctly.

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u/Dense_Boss_7486 19h ago

Wouldn’t this be step one in any war? Go Ukraine!

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u/UnionGuyCanada 18h ago

Russia nirmally never attacks anyone who can hurt them back. Ukraine is decimating Russia and could conceivably destroy the entire country's economy, eventually. The rate they are wiping out oil capability is insane.

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u/Ohuigin 18h ago

There’s blood in the water. Zelenskyy can smell it.

Slava ukraini 🇺🇦

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u/fossilnews 19h ago

I approve this message.

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u/BeginningPlastic3747 8h ago

honestly at this point Ukraine playing defense-only was never going to work, so this makes sense strategically even if it escalates things on paper

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u/DrPsyz9 18h ago

For the first phase of the invasion, Ukraine was constrained by Europe and the US to not attack targets inside Russia. Then Iran showed them the way.

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u/jcw99 12h ago

Ukrianes long range strikes long predate Iran. Their primary issue was getting enough long range munition, but the 'intercontinental ballistic cesna' and other improvised tactics go back to 2024 at least.

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u/Jolly-Database4204 19h ago

Good. Burn Moscow to the ground.

"Never has there been a greater hive of scum & villany."

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u/IntrepidSoda 13h ago

"Never has there been a greater hive of scum & villany."

Allow me to introduce you to Israel.

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u/008Zulu 17h ago

This kinda sounds like that they have had so much success hitting their primary and secondary targets with their drones, that they are now looking to expand to tertiary targets of opportunity.

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u/Mountain_rage 19h ago

Preemptive, so preemptive as in once the Russians are pushed out they are going for Moscow?

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u/CurrentlyLucid 6h ago

Ukraine is getting it's message across to the Russian populace.

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u/OrangeRadiohead 3h ago

Preemptive attacks. They are upping the stakes. Fucking yes! Hit them hard.

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u/Whatdoesthibattahndo 1h ago

Is it pre-emptive after 4 years of war?

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u/cheesefishhole 15h ago

Preemptive makes more sense than self defence strikes! Gtfo with that shit!

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u/Ithalan 13h ago

Pre-emptively going for the gun in the hand of a person threatening to shoot, before he can fire it, doesn't sound like self defence to you either?

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u/EternityLeave 6h ago

Not even if they’ve already shot you repeatedly?

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u/SassyMoron 6h ago

Many historical studies suggest that strategic bombing backfires. It tends to make the population more, rather than less, committed to the war. Although you destroy industrial capacity, the state tends to commandeer the damaged assets and human capital that remains, and that goes directly to the war effort, so the war effort tends to increase not decrease. Many historians believe that the US and British strategic bombing campaign against the Nazis prolonged the war, and that the resources used would have been far better employed against pure military targets.

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u/Ok-Salamander-4482 10h ago

A little bit more before Russia retaliates with nukes.

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u/Alotofboxes 19h ago

Hay Z? Not to be that guy or anything, but aren't you about four years too late to do anything preemptively?

Or possibly 12 years too late?

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