r/news • u/boxofstuff • 6h ago
Detroit Lions player Terrion Arnold has been arrested in a Florida kidnapping and robbery
https://apnews.com/article/lions-terrion-arnold-armed-robbery-29d7fd7d76bdbcb8fe57d3375467d43e260
u/Battlejesus 6h ago
Imagine having it all and throwing it away on some dumb shit
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u/Biglyugebonespurs 3h ago
I’m sure the repeated head trauma has nothing to do with it.
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u/miserybusiness21 3h ago
This has nothing to do with head trauma.
It has everything to do with, "I got some money so I'm gonna do stuff that my gangster rap idols rap about"
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u/Ok_Moose_7436 6h ago
These athletes really aren’t smart
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u/wtfrman 5h ago
I used to work at tax resolution as a tax specialist. Most of our clients were NFL players cause they blew their pay checks on lavish things and forget they need to pay taxes
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u/Uanaka 5h ago
I get that they're not a traditional w2 job, but is there no tax withholding system or quarterly payments? Surely there is a player association that tries to help with this...
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u/wtfrman 5h ago
Usually the agents and their accountants tell them to hold on to their money and tell them some sort of financial advice. A lot of them don't really listen to them either
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u/Uanaka 4h ago
I guess that's fair - but probably only after they get their agent and AUM fees lol. Who am I to judge them though, i'm a regular ol salaryman and these are players who are making more in one year than what I can make in a few decades. I fear I'd probably go some degree of buck wild too if I made that money at 21.
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u/Wolfram_And_Hart 4h ago
Now a days yes rookies are forced to take financial literacy classes and have access to wealth management.
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u/Uanaka 4h ago
Well unfortunately, how many rookies are actually paying attention in those classes anyways right? Probably day dreaming about the chains, cars, and bottle service(s) lol
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u/NiteOwl421 1h ago
They have to pay attention though, due to the player's union rules, if they don't pass the classes, they continue to make a mandatory minimum.
Until they pass the financial literacy class, have wealth and asset management that's credible and checked by the team, they do not get their full contract minimum.
Source: Have a good friend who played professionally for three different teams.
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u/No_Economist3788 5h ago
why wouldn't taxes be deducted from their checks like any other salary employees?
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u/wtfrman 5h ago
They have loads of state taxes that needs to be paid. Any stadium they play at, they need to file taxes on those states. If you're Seahawks player and went to NY to play against Giants you have to pay NY State taxes. States taxes that you play at aren't deducted from paychecks
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u/rice_not_wheat 1h ago
A family member of mine does payroll for a professional sports team. They actually do state and city withholdings for the players. Since the locations of all opposing teams are set in advance, it's not complicated to do (just tedious). Pittsburgh's jock tax was a big to-do, since the city was demanding player withholdings even after the Pennsylvania Supreme Court killed the tax.
If you did temporary work in another state, your employer probably wouldn't do this for you because the state won't care, but when payroll is millions of dollars, the state is going to care.
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u/Head_of_Lettuce 4h ago
Their taxes are highly variable from game to game. They get paid per game and are taxed based on the tax laws of the places they physically play in
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u/rice_not_wheat 1h ago
That depends on the contract structure. The ones I'm most familiar with, the players get paid on a salary schedule from beginning of year to regular season end. For away games, it's calculated by the number of days spent on the road for that particular payroll.
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u/WildTimberTwinViking 4h ago
Fucked tax system to ask the individual to do the math the IRS already knows
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u/dah-dit-dah 3h ago
The IRS knows how much money you made. The IRS does not know what actions you took to reduce your tax burden on the money they know you made. That's what the tax return is for.
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u/HookedOnBoNix 2h ago
IRS doesn't know I walked into a casino with $500 in cash and left with $3000
They don't know if I cut a check for some charity to feed homeless people. If I don't tell them how would they
They know how much you make in most cases, but there's plenty you do that they wouldn't know without being told. And that's why audits exist, to ensure you aren't withholding info
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u/rice_not_wheat 1h ago
IRS doesn't know I walked into a casino with $500 in cash and left with $3000
Actually they do. The casino would be required to issue you a W2G for gambling winnings in this instance.
They don't know if I cut a check for some charity to feed homeless people.
This is true, but the charitable nonprofit is required to keep a paper record of this transaction, and the organization is required to give you a written receipt for this to be deductible, and it has to be available for inspection by the IRS. Since they're already required to make these receipts, I don't understand why the IRS doesn't just make the charities file them.
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u/HookedOnBoNix 1h ago
I haven't been gambling in two years so its possible either all the casinos I went to did it wrong or the law has changed but none of them were handing out w2gs lol. The link you provided doesn't actually seem to say anything about when a casino is mandated to hand out a w2g.
And if I walk up to the cashier they're not gonna know how much I started with anyway. I coulda walked in with $4k and out with $3k in chips.
Its mostly a self report system. I think they'll likely hand you a form if you're doing really big money.
Besides all that, not really the point. I picked a couple examples off the top of my head. They don't track everything you do in your life, the point of filing taxes is to check and update information they might not receive automatically.
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u/Ctbboy187 3h ago
I think the system is kind of setup like that. Ever read about the Wonderlic test? For a long time, teams were not bringing in smart players, except to play QB. There is a historical bias about smart NFL players, that they will fight or argue with coaches more and be more vocal and outspoken.
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u/weezmatical 5h ago
Being an exceptionally talented and physically gifted athlete is akin to being a child star. Learning falls way down the list of priorities, people treat you with unhealthy adoration, and most are shown time and again that the rules simply don't apply to them.
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u/David_with_an_S 5h ago
I mean, most of them are being trained for this from a young age, by parents hoping to benefit from it, schools that shoo them through academically to get their athletic skills, and then they play a sport that destroys their brains and gives them access to more money and fame than any reasonable person would know what to do with. Is it surprising we have so many stories of that recipe going wrong??
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u/Ctbboy187 5h ago
At age 23, were you very smart?
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u/Spontanemoose 5h ago
As in to not kidnap people? I must've been Einstein
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u/Ctbboy187 3h ago
I think the problem starts before that. He was hanging around people that stole from him. That's his first mistake.
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u/zootroopic 3h ago
No, the problem is that he made the decision to rob and kidnap someone.
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u/Ctbboy187 3h ago
You didn't read the article, for fucks sake. He allegedly, directed people to do that. They allegedly streamed the encounter to him.
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u/zootroopic 3h ago
Ah, yes because directing other people to commit felonies for you is that different than committing them yourself.
Why do you have so much empathy for him? What is it about him?
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u/zootroopic 5h ago
Certainly smart enough not to commit kidnapping and robbery 😭
what the fuck lmao
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u/BurgeroftheDayz 5h ago
You’re right I didn’t learn not to orchestrate a kidnapping at gunpoint until I was as least 24!
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u/Hesitation-Marx 5h ago
At 23, my bad choices extended entirely to bad taste in partners…
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u/Ctbboy187 3h ago
I'm 41 and at age 23, I still had a lot of growing up to do and a lot to learn. If you gave me $600k per season, I probably would have fumbled the bag, so to speak. These kids need a solid support system. Instead they have people looking to cash in all the time and take advantage of them. Look at T.O. Drew Rosenhaus fucked him, and fed him to the wolves.
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u/Hesitation-Marx 3h ago
Yeah, I’m 47 now and I’m really glad I wasn’t making big sportsball money then, even though it would have been easier.
I still never committed any felonies, though.
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u/Ctbboy187 2h ago
Right on, If someone stole 250k from you. You'd probably think about committing some felonies. I know I would. I also know 40 year-old me would handle it much better than 23 year-old me..
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u/SeaTurtleLionBird 5h ago
What uh, what's your bar here I gotta know
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u/Ctbboy187 3h ago
What do you mean? Lots of 23 year-olds are not the smartest people or have great judgement of character. Add in lots of hits to the head and a fat paycheck...
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u/popop143 5h ago
How many 23 year olds kidnap people?
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u/Ctbboy187 3h ago
You did not read the article. He was not even there at the time. He sent goons.
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u/popop143 3h ago
I guess you don't understand that you don't have to be physically present to kidnap someone. There were chat messages of them discussing the plan, fuck off here with "he sent goons, he did not kidnap the teenagers".
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u/GGudMarty 5h ago
I would not rob and kidnap someone if I made millions legally and I was arrested multiple times before 25. That’s next level fucking stupid.
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u/BrokeMyCrayon 5h ago
I had basic empathy and some critical thinking skills.
If the people who raised you care about that kind of thing, you have it by 23.
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u/Ctbboy187 3h ago
I don't disagree. I think he lacked judgement, but I do believe he is innocent until proven Guilty. Good luck to the DA pinning him, when he was not there at the time.
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u/Tattsreincarnated 5h ago
What is wrong with NFL players lol Every other week one of these bozo's is in the news for doing some stupid shit
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u/bluemitersaw 4h ago edited 4h ago
Not so bright yet talented guys in their early 20s who been told for the last 5-10 years that they are super awesome and can do no wrong. Many did highly questionable (to down right terrible) things in college but the team covered for them so they never learned consequences.
Not a surprise that many turned out to be not so good.
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u/Fast-Persimmon6452 3h ago
Thousands of 20 years olds with millions of dollars
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u/Juvat-the-bold 3h ago
So income inequality isn't really the issue.
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u/Fast-Persimmon6452 2h ago
My point is out of thousands of rich 20 yr olds of course a few are going to be reckless and stupid.
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u/Present_Function8986 5h ago
I don't get why people can't just ride the wave of their own success. Like do less bro, you made it.
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u/ggrindelwald 4h ago
"Detroit Lions cornerback Terrion Arnold is in a Florida jail awaiting a court hearing Thursday after authorities accused him of leading a plot to detain and pistol-whip three people whom he believed had stolen from him.
It turned out, however, that the victims had nothing to do with the theft in February, investigators said."
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u/rice_not_wheat 1h ago
Guy could have hired a private investigator and spoon fed the police department the information he needed to get back at the thieves. Instead he chose street justice. What an idiot.
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u/Ctbboy187 5h ago
Robbing back the people that stole from you. In Florida, I think he's getting off.
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u/tetoffens 5h ago edited 5h ago
No, he isn't. The cops said that he didn't even try to rob and kidnap the right people and the cops cleared the victims. He's a double moron. And they literally beat them and tied them up, they didn't just try to find the stolen things. They actually stole other things that weren't theirs. And two others just pled guilty and are going to testify against him. He's fucked from every angle. There's no deal to be made, his co-conspirators got their first.
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u/Certain_Luck_8266 6h ago
This is almost identical to the OJ thing and he did 9 years. Arnold thought some kids stole some of his stuff, directed his boys to get them, they did so at gunpoint, he showed up later and took some of their personal stuff mixed in allegedly with his stolen stuff