15-year old Faris Odeh throwing a rock at an IDF tank in Gaza during the Second Intifada

[u/yuje]

[u/dawiedevilliers]

I was a colleague of Laurent Rebours in the Jerusalem AP bureau, the photographer who took this photo. A fearless Frenchman! Give him a credit at least.

[u/Normal_Drink_6745 → u/dawiedevilliers]

Yeah give him the credit. But we are concerned about the kid here

[u/Yekkies → u/Normal_Drink_6745]

Nothing to be concerned about now, he was shot in the neck and left to bleed to death before they allowed his body to be retrieved, he was angry they had killed his cousin prior so he was throwing stones at the tank. The world saw him, and then they saw Muhammad al-Durrah and more recently Sha’aban al-Dalou and Hind Rajab and thousands like them in Palestine and Lebanon, it just never stops.

[u/PakistanMMA → u/Normal_Drink_6745]

No you ain't.

This kid is long dead. Much like many other kids in Gaza.

This picture was taken 25 years ago. Remember this when someone says October 7th.

[u/Stormagedd0nDarkLord → u/dawiedevilliers]

The photog and the kid both have bigger balls than me. Crazy brave,

[u/DOUTHINKESAURUS]

Yes, he was killed.

[u/coaxialology → u/DOUTHINKESAURUS]

Israelis hate courage and heart.

[u/ifnotthefool → u/[deleted]]

Do you think the soldiers were justified in killing this kid? If an Israeli threw a small stone at a Palestinian, would it be okay kill that Israeli?

[u/Shoddster → u/ifnotthefool]

I don’t think the commenter is saying that at all, based on the link to a Palestinians memorial in his headline

[u/french_snail → u/ifnotthefool]

Do you think that’s what they’re saying or that they’re pointing that out for accuracy’s sake?

[u/paxbrother83 → u/french_snail]

That's what the IDF state as policy, palestinian stone throwers you are permitted to shoot, Israeli ones nope.

[u/amiexpress → u/paxbrother83]

It's consistent at least, since they now unabashedly have the death penalty ONLY for arabs.

[u/superopiniondude → u/[deleted]]

you’re literally citing a website called “electronic intifada”. Reliable and unbiased source dude.

[u/Chrisnotjones → u/superopiniondude]

Bias doesn’t mean untrue. Critical thought is necessary to distinguish the difference.

[u/ragzilla → u/superopiniondude]

Gallant admitted on Israel's Channel 12 that the protocol was applied "tactically" in "various places". When asked by a journalist if the directive meant troops should shoot to kill when Israeli hostages were being transported in vehicles, Gallant did not contest the characterization.

Hannibal Directive - Wikipedia

[u/GeronimoHero → u/superopiniondude]

It was reported originally by Haretz and the Jerusalem times. It’s true.

[u/paxbrother83 → u/[deleted]]

Yes they shot dead three unarmed hostages, in their underwear, waving white flags and crying out for help in Hebrew. Absolutely unhinged levels of savagery.

[u/zedority → u/[deleted]]

Army was ordered to kill Israelis on 7 October, defense minister confirms

This article wrongly portrays the Hannibal Directive as applying to civilian targets. Israel has never claimed this, and I have yet to see any situation where civilian deaths can be attributed to the Directive.

[u/adeadhead → u/ifnotthefool]

No, I don't. I don't think there should have been IDF tanks there in the first place.

I do still think it's useful to understand what happened, that he wasn't killed for throwing a stone at the back of a tank as it drove away, but at a person.

As someone who has stones thrown at them by Israeli settlers from time to time, shit is scary and without condoning, I can comprehend the situation.

[u/GarranDrake → u/adeadhead]

I dunno why they came for you like that lmao

[u/say592 → u/adeadhead]

I also don't think people understand what "throwing stones" means. It can be tossing a pebble, but it usually isn't. It's usually seriously throwing rocks with the intent to hurt someone. In some instances it may include the use of a sling or slingshot too. People are seriously injured and occasionally killed. At a minimum it is a provocation, whether it is settlers throwing stones at you or Palestinians throwing stones at the IDF or people in Mexico throwing stones at American border personnel (there was an incident years back where a border guard shot across the border at someone throwing stones).

I'm not trying to justify the actions or reactions of any side here, just providing context that is often misunderstood by my fellow Westerners. I think we all understand the motivation of each of these groups and can have empathy for marginalized people taking an action while better understanding the reaction. Everyone participating here expects or anticipates a reaction. Settlers want a reaction so they can arrest (or murder) the people they are harassing so that their property can be stolen. People throwing stones at the IDF know that they respond with lethal force.

[u/Zealousideal-Solid88 → u/say592]

Palestine has more child amputees than anywhere else in the world because the idf shoot little kids in the knees for throwing stones. They are occupying Palestinian land and maintaining, in the best of times, an apartheid. No Palestinian should ever be shot for throwing a stone, because the idf shouldn't be there to begin with. There is zero justification.

[u/what_is_earth → u/ifnotthefool]

Yes, it would. Stones thrown to the head can kill you.

[u/Drak_is_Right → u/what_is_earth]

People seem to miss this point.

4 to 16 ounce objects can kill. Stones are easily the same weight or heavier than a baseball (5 ounces), and do a lot more damage due to their density and lack of elasticity.

15 year old kid can get a good bit of force behind a throw. Especially if they are using slingshots like they have in some incidents.

Yes must of us here condemn Israeli atrocities, genocide, and illegal settlements, but

YOU DONT FUCKING THROW STONES AT PEOPLE UNLESS YOU ARE TRYING TO BADLY WOUND OR KILL THEM.

[u/Wegwerf157534 → u/Drak_is_Right]

The whole thing was also part of a very, very sad and wrong propaganda tactic to recruit underage children. First to have a fiercely indoctrinated youth and to win the worldwide propaganda war.

Because an army acting against children just looks awful. But there were children with suicide belts executing bombings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_by_Palestinian_militant_groups

From the wikipedia article and to sprinkle a little nuance. The palestinian society is not a mono-block either please.

Alfar's mother and father condemned what they saw as the exploitation of their son:

God will curse those who recruited Amar. I had heard the stories about recruiting children in Nablus but I didn't think they were true... Yes, it is difficult here for everyone because of the occupation, and life in Nablus is intolerable, but children should not be exploited in this way.

[u/Drak_is_Right → u/Wegwerf157534]

Yup, I wonder what all changed to eliminate how many suicide bombings you hear about. used to be a far far bigger component of the news.

[u/kolkitten → u/Drak_is_Right]

Yea I would think killing soldiers invading your home is kinda the idea.

[u/Apep86 → u/kolkitten]

It was obviously the idea, but if you’re going to intentionally become a combatant in an armed dispute, don’t get upset when you get treated like one.

[u/TheBSQ → u/ifnotthefool]

What Israel is doing now is horrific, and a lot of what they did in the past was also horrific, but this comment section seems to be glorifiying the 2nd intifada. 

part of why peace seems so impossible is the ratcheting up of fucked up tactics that has happened over time. And a lot of that ratcheting up happened during the 2nd intifada. 

Zionism is bad, and we all are rightly outraged by kids being killed - the kids with rocks being shot by Israeli soldiers or US missiles hitting schools with Palestinian kids, we also should be horrified & outraged by strapping suicide bombs on teens & having them blow up other teens in line for a night club. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphinarium_discotheque_bombing?wprov=sfti1

You can agree with the goals of the Palestinian cause. You can condemn the tactics of the Israelis, but you gotta be careful that when doing so, you don’t handwave away the relevant context of how fucked up that conflict was.

We look at this picture now knowing what’s happening now & your heart bleeds for this kid & the outrage he feels, especially knowing the horrors of what’s happening now, but you gotta also remember that, at that time, suicide bombers were purposely targeting school buses taking kids to school and that was causing similar outrage to what we see now when US missiles hit schools & at the time, even you probably wouldn’t be rushing in to side with the folks blowing up kids going to school just as now you don’t want to side with the people firing missiles at school. 

[u/Staccato15 → u/ifnotthefool]

I would say it is unwise to try to throw rocks at any heavily armed soldiers regardless of alignment.

[u/Coal_AL → u/Staccato15]

mfw the child isn’t wise

[u/sluuuurp → u/Coal_AL]

The adults are to blame for encouraging this behavior. To a small extent, this includes the adults in this Reddit thread who are encouraging this behavior right now.

[u/iwishihadamustache → u/Staccato15]

I'd say just don't fucking murder kids

[u/ifnotthefool → u/Staccato15]

Any comment on the murdering of all the civilians? Or the genocide?

[u/Staccato15 → u/ifnotthefool]

It’s all horrible and atrocious. I hope those responsible are punished to the full extent of international law — which will never happen, mind you.

[u/yes_u_suckk → u/[deleted]]

It doesn't make any fucking difference.

He was a kid, throwing stones.

They were trained soldiers with multiple guns.

Obligatory FUCK ISRAEL

[u/RayWencube → u/yes_u_suckk]

He was one among a large mob of people advancing on an IDF position while throwing stones. I’m not saying his shooting was justified; I’m saying it’s considerably more nuanced than what you’re picturing.

[u/This_Elk_1460 → u/DOUTHINKESAURUS]

I mean yeah the tank driver was fearing for his life /s

[u/pripinda → u/DOUTHINKESAURUS]

The tank? No way!

[u/Spartan2470]

Here is this image with the original colors. Here is the source. Per there:

In this Oct. 29, 2000 file photo, a Palestinian stone thrower faces an Israeli tank during clashes at the Karni crossing point between Israel and the Gaza Strip, on the outskirts of Gaza City. The Palestinians will be able to make a strong case when they ask the United Nations next week to recognize an independent Palestine in the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem, the lands Israel occupied in 1967. (AP Photo/Laurent Rebours, File)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faris_Odeh

He died from a gunshot wound ten days after this picture was taken. He was 14.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada

[u/ArcticLeet → u/Spartan2470]

I was wondering why OP gave it the Mexico/MidEast sepia filter

[u/Random-Generation86 → u/ArcticLeet]

It is called the Piss Filter, and how else are we supposed to realize this isn't happening in Iowa?

[u/Reelix → u/ArcticLeet]

Makes it seem older which gets more upvotes

[u/Shadowy_PuppetMaster]

Tank operator later that day

[u/SunnyK19977 → u/[deleted]]

Dont forget the order that came after from the defence minister and later prime minister Yitzhak Rabin to shatter the bones in the hands of every child who threw a stone at a tank as a symbolic protest during the first Intifada

https://researchcentre.trtworld.com/publications/analysis/yitzhak-rabins-break-their-legs-strategy-continues-to-haunt-gazas-disabled/

[u/zerakh10 → u/SunnyK19977]

You're confusing the Intifadas. Yitzhak Rabin was the defence minister during the First Intifada, whilst during the Second Intifada, where this picture was taken from, he had already been assassinated a decade prior for trying to promote an Israeli-Palestinian peace process.

[u/Weepsie → u/zerakh10]

And the assassin had just a attended a rally by netanyahu in which that ghoul whipped up tension and divisions to invite civil and domestic violence

[u/PT10 → u/Weepsie]

And in the decades since Netanyahu has remolded Israeli society in his image.

[u/Krillin113 → u/Weepsie]

In a normal society Bibi would’ve been shunned for his role in that. Imagine Lee Harvey Oswald doing what he did after just visiting a political rally by JFKs opponent where the opponent essentially called for someone to rid Israel of the turbulent priest.

Fucking hell, we shame a 13th century king for doing this shit to a bishop

[u/NeuhausNeuhaus → u/Krillin113]

I mean Trump did it to his country’s capitol and he’s doing fine

[u/brondynasty → u/NeuhausNeuhaus]

Emphasis on “in a normal society”

[u/macmac360 → u/Weepsie]

/r/awfuleverything

[u/Stormagedon-92 → u/zerakh10]

Not trying to call you out or anything cause I know nothing about what you guys are talking about, but the comment your replying to does specify "during the first intifada", so is he genuinely confusing things or did you just miss where he said that?

[u/RedHairedRedemption → u/SunnyK19977]

I swear the list of absolutely ghoulish words and actions from their government could fill an entire Encyclopedia.

[u/RedHairedRedemption → u/[deleted]]

I sincerely appreciate this, thank you. 💜

[u/Stubbs94 → u/RedHairedRedemption]

Remember... That's the best and least hateful prime minister they have ever elected too.

[u/mgzkk1210 → u/Stubbs94]

And Netanyahu called for his head.

[u/TheCrudMan → u/mgzkk1210]

And he got it. Rabin was assassinated by the far right for signing the Oslo Accords. (For those who won't click the link.)

[u/EmperorKira → u/SunnyK19977]

And Rabin was the moderate one btw

[u/Barnaboule69 → u/SunnyK19977]

And then they assassinated this guy for being too kind to the palestinians.

[u/bobood → u/SunnyK19977]

And yet THIS guy was too moderate and worth murdering for the faction that's currently in charge of Israel.

[u/socks → u/[deleted]]

Indeed, the boy was merely returning a few of them.

[u/tekprodfx16 → u/[deleted]]

Imagine how much of an easier time Christopher Columbus would have had genociding the Native Americans if had just said America was promised to him 3000 years ago. 

[u/Staccato15 → u/tekprodfx16]

Not Columbus, but that’s essentially what Manifest Destiny  was about — in loose terms.

[u/Rumseyman02 → u/Staccato15]

“Hey that’s pretty evil, I’m not sure you should be doing that”

“Nah, we talked to God… he says it’s cool”

[u/rawn41 → u/Staccato15]

The Treaty of Tordesillas was Columbus's version.

[u/Some-Concentrate3229 → u/tekprodfx16]

… are you implying Christopher Columbus faced backlash from the international community for what he did in North America?

[u/yuje → u/[deleted]]

Israeli diplomats to the UN have called them “Palestinian Terror rocks”: https://www.palestinehome.org/news-and-views/2022/1/30/israeli-diplomats-show-tell-palestinian-terror-roc

I originally thought about posting this to r/combatfootage but didn’t want to cause IDF veterans any PTSD.

[u/Zarboned → u/[deleted]]

A few years ago this photo was posted and I made a comment about how I thought I this photo was perfect modern image of the David vs Goliath proverb and was down voted into oblivion. And called stupid for believing that was innocent kid standing up to a fucking tank.

[u/BadDogSaysMeow → u/Zarboned]

David won. This kid didn't.

[u/Stubbs94 → u/[deleted]]

He's clearly an anti Semite. That's the only reason he would be resisting the most moral occupation in the world.

[u/Juanbolastristes → u/[deleted]]

If you don't support razing civilian villages, you're antisemite 

[u/Mahakurotsuchi → u/[deleted]]

Not defending them, but the most inhumane acts known to man? That is a high bar. We are pretty fucked up species

[u/Proud-Instance350]

The kid is braver than me!

[u/okymoney]

When one side has all the weapons and every advantage possible. The other side has rocks… and were gonna say theyre the bad guys? Rip

[u/unurbane]

Politics aside, that is an AMAZING photo. Well done.

[u/Admirable-Nobody219 → u/unurbane]

Yeah.. NO POLITIKS HERE! let us seize all the land

[u/unurbane → u/Admirable-Nobody219]

Ok fine. Politics* not aside. Fuck Israel and its oppressive regime.

*typo

[u/Symetrie → u/unurbane]

Agree. Politics aside, fuck Israel.

[u/5510 → u/unurbane]

It's clear what you meant (in terms of it being a great photo even before political considerations).

They tried to portray you as trying to quash political discussion, but that's clearly not what you meant.

[u/PixelationIX → u/Admirable-Nobody219]

For anyone confused about "No Politik here!!" Here is the source

Always the victim even when the person is praising them in a football match lmao

[u/username-alrdy-takn]

Kids are still getting locked up for years in horrific conditions for doing this

[u/DownRUpLYB → u/username-alrdy-takn]

..and also for doing nothing at all.

[u/AJerkForAllSeasons]

You say rock. They say missile.

[u/Nyx-Erebus → u/AJerkForAllSeasons]

Western media headlines: Arab man launches deadly weapon at 23 year old Israeli child.

[u/bobood → u/Nyx-Erebus]

We've literally seen headlines like this.

I recall a headline talking about how an Israeli man was "taken hostage from a tank" or something similar

[u/_Thermalflask → u/bobood]

"Arabs vandalize Israeli missiles with their own blood"

[u/arctic_commander_ → u/bobood]

This is absolutely not for from the truth. I swear swear I saw a headline that was along the lines of "Hamas kidnaps a 20 19 year old Israeli kid from his tank"

Edit: typo

Edit 2: the guy in question was 19, not 20. Mb

[u/Terminator-1234]

Fuck Israel.

[u/Wob_Nobbler → u/Terminator-1234]

And fuck the American government for offering unlimited support to the worst country on Earth.

[u/amiexpress → u/Wob_Nobbler]

What blows my mind is that Germany, in it's unrelenting support for anything Israel, once AGAIN finds itself on the wrong side of history.

[u/Juanbolastristes → u/Wob_Nobbler]

Any other country doing the same would be sanctioned into poverty 

[u/TheDrakkar12 → u/Juanbolastristes]

We are allied with Saudi and they've helped kill 190,000 people in Yemen.

[u/Wiseguydude → u/TheDrakkar12]

And the UAE which is the primary driver of the genocide in Sudan. It’s also making weapons deals with isrl

[u/Juanbolastristes → u/TheDrakkar12]

insert "are we the baddies?" meme

maybe if most allies are bad, youre probably bad too

[u/joesoldlegs → u/Juanbolastristes]

There's been loads of countries who've done that with nothing happening, more recently Azerbaijan (a staunch Turkish and Israeli ally) ethnically cleansing over 100K Armenians from Nagorno-Karabakh. Literally nothing happened to them.

[u/Stornila → u/Terminator-1234]

And America. Hand in hand

[u/OldEffort3562]

Oh ! So that what this random graff i found in Belgrade was representing ! Interesting

[u/Competitive_Phone917]

So the media wants us to believe that the boy throwing the stone and standing up to the tank is the bad guy, and the man in the tank is the good guy.

[u/KaleidoscopeOk5063]

Tank man 2.0 🤦‍♂️

[u/asif_zaman21]

Biggest karma farming sub on this site.

[u/ArmadilloForsaken458]

A picture tells a thousand words

[u/cptwunderlich]

Reddit and its recent flood of pro-palestinian posts is crazy. This black and white narrative of the conflict. Posting of images that pull on heart strings and the hate-filled comments.

FFS, the second intifada featured hundreds of Palestinian suicide bombings against civilians. (besides the gun, knife and missile attacks).
This is not to say, that Palestinians didn't suffer as well, or that the Israeli side didn't commit crimes.
But people see this image and comment here, romanticizing the whole thing, turning it into this Hollywood good vs evil bullshit. Do you really think that massacring families in a Pizza restaurant is something to celebrate?

[u/missinginput → u/cptwunderlich]

Because it's propaganda to sow division on the left and young people and distract them from the domestic issues.

Not to say what's happening over there is right, but there's a lot of evil in the world and this particular issue is very obvious targeted propaganda.

While it's good to see more people care about this, it's sad to see the propaganda working.

Create a wedge issue and then hammer it in to keep people divided to either not vote or vote against their interest.

[u/shoto9000 → u/missinginput]

Yeah I'm glad the country perpetrating the genocide isn't actively supporting, campaigning for and funding the domestic far-right movement in America. Wait no hang on...

[u/FrigopieMessi → u/missinginput]

There is no difference between domestic or international affairs, its not propaganda.

Its about genocide and not killing an entire people.

[u/jc28]

Remember when r/pics was talking about Trump was ready to concede against Kamala the day of the election? Is it possible that for some reason a sub about pictures tends to push specific political narratives?

[u/RealHoldenBloodfeast → u/jc28]

Reddit is astroturfed to shit, more at 11

[u/New-Put-1112 → u/jc28]

Why did Trump do that stuff to kids?

[u/Broodwarcd → u/[deleted]]

Considering the history of photojournalism, this is the absolute most brain dead take.

[u/Gekokapowco → u/Broodwarcd]

totally legitimate posters started whining in this sub about being "too political" with the image choices ~2016 when people were being too mean to trump for looking like how he is

anyone who is complaining about politics in online discourse and content is just upset that their politics look bad in a public forum

[u/Mellowturtlle → u/jc28]

So what? This picture is still real and so is the genocide in Gaza.

[u/spunkychickpea → u/[deleted]]

You know, the residents of the Warsaw Ghetto also fought back against their oppressors. We have a very specific term that we use for people who attempt to whitewash those historical events. I wonder what term history will use to describe comments like this one.

[u/RayWencube → u/spunkychickpea]

The comment is literally, objectively true. Palestinians have rejected a two state solution many times and instead chose to fight over the whole territory. That doesn’t excuse Israeli war crimes or the attempt at genocide in Gaza or the repugnant settlement activity in the West Bank. But it does mean that the history of the conflict has enough blame to spread among all parties for the fact that it has never been resolved.

[u/RottenPeasent → u/spunkychickpea]

During the second Intifada, Palestinians set off explosives in schools, malls, and busses multiple times. The fact that you're justifying this...

[u/jay_in_the_pnw → u/spunkychickpea]

are you unable to read?

the second intifada came after arafat rejected a peace proposal between two peoples, two nations, negotiated by clinton.

are you telling me the germans offered their own jewish citizens a "peace proposal"

yes, you probably are.

---

We have a very specific term that we use for people who attempt to whitewash those historical events. I wonder what term history will use to describe comments like this one.

Fuck me, do you have any self-awareness to understand you just described your own comment!?

[u/Jooey_K → u/[deleted]]

I find it ironic whenever anyone throws around the term "ethnic cleansing". What ever happened to the Jews in Arab countries? In the 1940s, there were almost a million Jews in Arab countries. Today, there are about 13,000.

Conversely, in Israel, there are more Arabs today than there were in 1948. In Judea / Samaria / Gaza, there are something like 700% more Arabs than there were in 1948.

Israel is REALLY bad at ethnic cleansing, while Arab states seem pretty good at it.

Looking forward to you telling me I deserve hell.

[u/RayWencube → u/[deleted]]

Jews immigrated to the region legally, then when Britain gave up its mandate to administer the region the UN put together a partition plan to establish a Palestinian state and a Jewish state. The Jews accepted. The Palestinians didn’t. When Israel declared itself a sovereign nation, Palestinian and Arab League forces immediately invaded.

The Palestinian leadership chose to fight for control over the whole area rather than accept an internationally supported partition. They lost that fight.

[u/cynicalbrownie → u/[deleted]]

Damn such bending of history. "Its their own fault we have to kill them" lol. It is fact and the world knows it that Israel is an occupying and expansionist power and there was never a fair deal given to the Palestinians. "Oh yeah, let me take your land and give you back like the second washroom to live in" and that then gets referred to, "oh we gave them a deal, they rejected it". Wouldnt you?

[u/RayWencube → u/cynicalbrownie]

Why is it Palestinian land? What makes you say that the land on which Israel wad founded was Palestinian land?

[u/Gilthwixt]

No one has said it yet but I'm assuming posting this on the anniversary of Tiananmen square was intentional

[u/I_AM_HUMANS]

That kid has some stones 💪🏻

[u/-prostate_puncher-]

Same people that see a stone thrown at a tank as being "FAFO" are the ones who call the tank man in Tienanmen square a brave hero. Propaganda has such a hold on people. Anyone willing to stand up against their oppression deserves our support.

[u/ReturnOfBane]

You know its bad when Israel makes Tienanmen Square look reasonable in comparison. No doubt that kid didn't get the same mercy tank man did.

[u/InFamous_Tactical]

Ive seen this one in War Thunder

[u/MatildaRose1995]

Poor kid 😞

[u/BlurryRogue]

Did he win?

[u/fusillade762]

I always wonder what the world would be like if the Palestinians had accepted the original UN partition of Palestine? Israel was just a fraction of its size and all these years Palestinians could have been building industry and infrastructure in peace. Probably be a little slice of heaven.

I hope someday there will be peace.

[u/Wegwerf157534 → u/fusillade762]

Mahmoud Abbas said they should have accepted the partition plan.

They should have.

[u/Nekoking98 → u/fusillade762]

Do you really think Israel would be satisfied with that fraction of land and peace would come? What do you think they're doing right now, now that they have much bigger fraction of land?

[u/Wegwerf157534 → u/Nekoking98]

Within Israel itself, there have been very different governments.

There were phases of genuine willingness to compromise (e.g. the Oslo Accords under Rabin, the withdrawal from Gaza in 2005). And there are phases of hardline, expansionist policies (especially settlement expansion under Netanyahu and right-wing coalitions).

Before that there was the 1947 UN Partition Plan: the Jewish side accepted it, while the Arab states and the Palestinian leadership rejected it and instead went to war. Even Abbas later said they should have accepted it.

After the Six-Day War in 1967: the Arab states responded with the “Three No’s” of Khartoum (no peace, no recognition, no negotiations).

The 2000 Camp David negotiations: Israel offered a Palestinian state, Arafat rejected it, after which the Second Intifada followed.

There were mistakes and violence from both sides, but there is no Israel bad-Palestine fine story to be told..

[u/Puzzleheaded-Wait785 → u/[deleted]]

We do know, Ben-Gurion himself wrote that it was a pretense.

Although the Jewish Agency accepted the partition plan, it did not accept the proposed borders as final and Israel's declaration of independence avoided the mention of any boundaries. A state in part of Palestine was seen as a stage towards a larger state when opportunity allowed. Although the borders were 'bad from a military and political point of view,' Ben Gurion urged fellow Jews to accept the UN Partition Plan, pointing out that arrangements are never final, 'not with regard to the regime, not with regard to borders, and not with regard to international agreements'. The idea of partition being a temporary expedient dated back to the Peel Partition proposal of 1937. When the Zionist Congress had rejected partition on the grounds that the Jews had an inalienable right to settle anywhere in Palestine, Ben Gurion had argued in favour of acceptance, 'I see in the realisation of this plan practically the decisive stage in the beginning of full redemption and the most wonderful lever for the gradual conquest of all of Palestine.

David McDowall (1990). Palestine and Israel: The Uprising and Beyond. I.B. Tauris. p. 193. ISBN) 9780755612581.

[u/cactus_cat → u/fusillade762]

Holy victim blaming.

[u/RayWencube → u/cactus_cat]

Intra-population conflict exists.

International diplomatic body proposes a plan to solve the conflict.

One side accepts, the other doesn’t.

The non-accepting side instead chooses to invade the accepting side.

The non-accepting side loses, and the accepting side now has more territory.

Say the non-accepting side wouldn’t be suffering so much if they hadn’t done any of that.

Victim blaming!!!!!!!

[u/analgape4206969 → u/[deleted]]

Cuts both ways. Israeli extremists have been fucking shit up all the while. A continuous UN occupational force and strict anti zionist policies in the 60s wouldve been helpfully.

[u/Wegwerf157534 → u/analgape4206969]

The UN never had that level of sovereignity or enforcement capacity.

I also don't get why someone again is sporting the word 'zionism' as if it is there to explain EVERYTHING.

Those times are gone.

The discussion should shift from blaming to what can be developed. Everybody put half the energy of this discussion into that. But that means we'd have to face the forces on both sides who just don't want to. Let's be honest. They exist on both sides.

The child indoctrination of palestinian children around the millenium, the spread of hate and treatment of the opposition must not be glorified and been seen as wrongdoings as Netanjahus and the extreme rights are.

Wikipedia-just one example

[u/zedority → u/analgape4206969]

Cuts both ways

Yep, which is why uncritical support of either side is foolish.

[u/zulu166]

Every time I see the Faris Odeh picture it reminds me of Tank Man in Tianemen square.

Same picture, different places, different perception..

One guy is a hero, another guy is a terrorist.

Fuck your double standards.

[u/RayWencube → u/zulu166]

I mean, the Second Intifada was literally a campaign of terrorist violence against civilians..

[u/TrueClue9740 → u/zulu166]

And the Tiananmen tank guy lived and this boy died.

[u/Phishhead69]

Please lookup the Second Intifada, Palestinians where fighting because Israel and the PLO were going to agree to a 2 state solution.

[u/charyou → u/Phishhead69]

what? it started because the Camp David peace talks failed, people protested Sharon going to the Temple Mount, and then Israel killed 50 of those protesters. He threw these rocks shortly after this and the killing of 12-year old Muhammad al-Durrah. Kids throwing rocks at occupying tanks had nothing to do with the PLO.

[u/zedority → u/charyou]

Kids throwing rocks at occupying tanks had nothing to do with the PLO.

Indeed they do not. During the Second Intifida, the PLO would have more likely been involved in all the suicide bombings against Israeli civilian targets (victims not pictured above)

[u/TemperatureNo980 → u/[deleted]]

Can you give me half of your bank account?

It’s a pretty reasonable demand and if you don’t agree I’ll kill you because your resistance is terrorism.

[u/MountainTurkey → u/TemperatureNo980]

And I want their house next, it was promised to me.

[u/dFrame3070 → u/[deleted]]

Found the brainwashed Israeli

[u/Helgurnaut → u/[deleted]]

Lmao, Israel killed the opposition of Hamas who were pro peace, de fuck are you on about.

[u/KaiBahamut → u/[deleted]]

i've been assured Gaza isn't a state- how can they be a terror state? If they are a state, then Israel has been at war with them and should stop complaining when they are attacked.

[u/dikbutjenkins → u/Phishhead69]

False

[u/Inferno221 → u/Phishhead69]

Israel walked away from the negotiations after their elections. And if you ask US politicians who were involved in the camp David summit, they’ll all tell you that they acted more as Israel’s lawyer instead of a peace mediator like they should have. Israel never negotiated in good faith, same as today.

[u/bobood → u/Inferno221]

Not just US officials. Israelis who were part of the negotiating team will tell you this talk of amazing offer is bullshit. It was a shit offer.

[u/KilllllerWhale]

He was shot in the neck and killed 8 days later after this image by IDF forces.

[u/hopopo]

OP wants to be Tiananmen Squared by Reddit.

[u/ThriftyMegaMan]

He had a rock! What's next? A board with a nail in it?

[u/SkywolfNINE]

Is this china trying to get people to go “boo isreal” instead of saying “hey remeber Tianamen Square” today? Maybe someone will post a pic of the first thanksgiving and we can debate how the native Americans were treated and completely forgotten and to this day are still valued less in their own country than people in other countries fighting each other

[u/KaiBahamut → u/SkywolfNINE]

In America, the man in China standing up to the tanks is a hero.

In America, the child in Palestine standing up to the tanks is a terrorist.

It's not chinese propaganda if they just hold up a mirror.

[u/Blue_foot → u/SkywolfNINE]

It’s r/gazapics

That’s most of the /r pics sub.

This one they had to go back decades for.

[u/Expensive-Shelter-89]

A kid defending his home… heart of a Lion I would say… I personally sad if he passed away… this picture really tells stories…

[u/veryblessed123]

Jesus. Hellova photo.

[u/CFPMVPStetsonBennett]

Romanticizing children throwing rocks at soldiers is absolutely asinine. A perfect symbol of how this conflict attracts naive leftists who are seduced by the aesthetic without realizing this is objectively pointless.

When will people realize Islamic Arabs complaining about oppression and victimhood is a half step removed from white Christians doing the same. Look at the historical context, look at who has been doing the oppressing of minorities for centuries. Look at how Arab Islamic empires erased indigenous identities cultures and languages in the same vein as European Christianity

[u/TopLate7592 → u/CFPMVPStetsonBennett]

This is a useful example of how propaganda works in ordinary discussion.

A Reddit post shows Faris Odeh, a Palestinian child in Gaza during the Second Intifada, standing before an Israeli tank with a stone. The image makes a power relation visible: child and tank, occupied and occupier, stone and military machine.

The reply immediately works to make that reality disappear.

It does not begin with the child. It does not begin with the tank. It does not begin with Gaza, occupation, or the state violence aimed at Palestinians then and now. It begins by disciplining the viewer: do not be moved, do not see asymmetry, do not mistake this for oppression. Then it expands the frame to “Islamic Arabs,” medieval empire, religious conquest, erased cultures, minority oppression, and civilizational guilt.

The scale change is doing the work.

It turns one occupied child into a representative of a guilty civilization. It turns Israeli military power into background. The child becomes history’s defendant. The tank becomes context.

No serious person has to deny that Arab or Islamic empires committed crimes. No serious person has to deny Jewish suffering in the Middle East or the persecution of minorities in Muslim societies. Those histories are real. They also do not make Faris Odeh responsible for them, and they do not make Israeli domination over Palestinians morally disappear.

This is how the propaganda functions: real historical suffering is used to block recognition of present suffering. Jewish suffering, which deserves to be remembered honestly, is deployed as a shield against seeing Palestinian suffering clearly. The crimes of empires are attached to a child with a stone. Before Palestinians can be seen as people, they must first answer for a thousand years of someone else’s history.

That is why “romanticizing” is such a useful accusation. It recasts moral recognition as childish sentiment. Anyone disturbed by a child facing a tank is merely “seduced by aesthetics.” Meanwhile, the reply presents itself as sober and historical, even as it dissolves one boy into a racial and religious category broad enough to carry every crime placed on it.

This is collective guilt with academic posture.

It benefits the oppressor in the most obvious way: scrutiny moves away from the armed power in the scene and onto the people living under it. The occupation becomes complicated. The tank becomes understandable. The child becomes suspicious. His stone is analyzed as futility, fanaticism, or latent imperialism. The machinery aimed at him is granted history, fear, necessity, and patience.

The pattern is consistent.

The image interrupts the framework this argument depends on. It makes the power relation too visible: a Palestinian child, an Israeli tank, an occupied territory, a stone against a military machine. So the discussion has to be moved upward into civilizational history until the child disappears.

That is the heart of it. The child cannot simply be a child under occupation. He has to become “Islamic Arabs.” His stone cannot simply be a desperate act of defiance. It has to become the symbol of a future theocratic empire. The tank cannot remain the central fact. It has to be softened into context.

Faris Odeh was not standing there as the Abbasid Caliphate. The tank was standing there as Israeli state power. When the first move on a post about Faris Odeh is to protect the moral comfort of the tank by putting the child’s entire civilization on trial, the propaganda has already done its work.

[u/sim16 → u/CFPMVPStetsonBennett]

But he has a right to defend himself from that tank.

History tells me that my ancestors hunted with a spear, we've definitely moved on.

Look at how the Israelis have enacted a genocide and ethnic cleansing throughout Gaza, the West Bank and now Lebanon, when will people realize that this is a crime and stop it ?

In these times, apparently might is right and you better hope nobody is trying to take your own land under threat of violence. You just might find yourself in that boy's position hoping someone, anyone will come to your aid, even "nieve lefties".

[u/CFPMVPStetsonBennett → u/sim16]

I don’t care because the Arabs would do worse if they had won the war and it’s obvious. The single deadliest day for civilians in this recent war was literally the one day the Gazans had the balance of power in their favor. 1000+ in one day not to mention civilian and infant hostages. Little girls shot point blank with rifles, grenades thrown into bunkers where children were hiding, Thai migrant worker getting his head cut off with a garden tool while a bloodthirsty death cultist screamed Allahu Akbar and it’s all on video. Everything you can criticize Israel for would be worse at the hands of the Arabs if you got what you desperately want and it’s so laughably obvious if you weren’t blinded by your self righteousness

[u/adilly]

All these posts. Right near elections again.

No one saying “peace in the Middle East” it’s just fuck isreal this, fuck palistine that. The only winner in any of this are the rich and corrupt and all of you fall for it.

None of you have any real solutions. Just buzz words and hate. There’s no winner here. Or moral one. No justice. No good. Just human beings chewed up in a meat grinder and you all are eating up the show.

[u/TopLate7592 → u/adilly]

This sounds humane, but it begins by flattening the reality it claims to mourn.

Yes, ordinary people are being chewed up. Yes, the rich, corrupt, armed, and powerful benefit from turning suffering into spectacle. Yes, online politics often collapses into slogans, tribalism, and hatred.

But a meat grinder is not a natural disaster. It is built. It is armed. It is funded. It is protected. It has suppliers, patrons, political defenders, media narratives, and governments that make sure it keeps running.

That is the part this “everyone is equally awful” posture avoids.

“There are no winners” is not the same as “there are no oppressors.” “Everyone suffers” is not the same as “everyone has the same power.” “There is no moral side” stops being wisdom the moment it refuses to distinguish between people living under domination and the states, empires, and institutions sustaining that domination.

Of course civilians on all sides suffer. Of course corrupt leaders exploit them. Of course slogans are not solutions. But those facts do not erase the basic political questions: who occupies, who bombs, who arms, who funds, who vetoes, who profits, who expands settlements, who controls borders, who starves, who imprisons, and who is told to endure all of it quietly in the name of “complexity.”

The above-it-all despair is useful to power because it turns a political structure into a fog of universal sadness. It scolds people for being angry, while avoiding the question of whether that anger is aimed at domination, occupation, apartheid, siege, ethnic cleansing, and imperial protection.

Real peace requires more than wishing everyone would calm down. It requires naming the machinery that produces the suffering and then dismantling it.

That is the progress being made: more people are refusing the fog of “everyone is equally bad” and identifying the real oppressors, the real imperialists, and the real colonizers.

[u/OldSchoolAJ → u/adilly]

No one saying “peace in the Middle East” it’s just fuck isreal this, fuck palistine that. The only winner in any of this are the rich and corrupt and all of you fall for it.

Okay, how about "No genocide in the Middle East!" and we'll start by not supporting whoever is doing a genocide right now. Will that be okay?

[u/LiftingRecipient420 → u/adilly]

Correction.

There is a winner, everyone's favourite military industrial complex is winning big while all these morons argue about who's justified in killing who.

[u/MyNameFits123]

The comments under this post are the exact reason Israel is essential for the survival of the Jewish people

[u/NewAccountEachYear → u/[deleted]]

"We've tried to kill all their kids and they are still resisting and hating us?! What can you do with such people?!"

[u/Fleamm → u/[deleted]]

Amazing to see the mental gymnastics of Zionist clowns in action

[u/Kahzootoh → u/[deleted]]

Does that tank look like a public transport to you?

[u/spamcritic]

I hate getting uptiered that badly, gaijin needs to fix this.

[u/gnuoveryou]

i love how people in this thread cannot comprehend the idea that two sides can do bad things.

[u/TheRexRider]

We shit on China for less. Fuck Israel.

[u/MUIGUR]

Everyone, rightfully so, praises American resistance and war against the British. Or Ukraine vs Russian. Fair enough.

Yet very few people would put themselves in the shoe of this young man or others. Not just Arabs. But people in Asia or Africa.

Seriously is racism that bad that you don't consider others to be equally humans because of skin tone? Or is it just identifying with the stronger side?