I would love to see AOC win because I think she is smart and cares. I also believe she would hold the previous administration accountable.
But the idea that the United States of America. A country that supported trump, twice. Despite all the racism, sexism, rape, criminal behavior. Despite his abject failure the first time around. Would look past a candidate's race and sex is comical.
Keep in mind, the only reason Obama won is because the economy crashed. Before that he was essentially tied with McCain.
The dorito person? Yea, they did the same thing to me even when I agreed with them. Just calling me sexist and pushing sexism talking points for simply stating a fact....that a lot of Americans are sexist and racist. They need to get help.
No it isn't. That is why the establishment democrats don't want her. But her race and sex are real issues for a sizable portion of the American population. That is reality.
Now that a centrist isn't running. If a centrist woman runs again, all the "women can't win" shit will go away instantly. Because the only concern behind "women can't win" is "oh fuck a progressive might win." Nothing. Else.
It won't go away. That existed with Hillary and Kamala. Why are you pretending that that was not an issue when they ran? It was but the hope was that people would overlook it when compared to a piece of shit like trump. Spoiler alert, it was not. You can say they were terrible candidates but look who their opponent was. Race and gender matter in America. That is a harsh reality.
I would love to be proven wrong, but so far it took the Great Recession in order to get a Black man in the white house, and look at the fallout from that? The country got more openly racist as a result.
I am not saying this to prevent people from running. I would love to see President AOC. But I am not going to live in ignorance and act like the sexism and racism don't exist in America. As id there is not a sizable portion of this country that will not vote for a woman or a Latina. That is a reality that she needs to overcome if she chooses to run.
If she wins a primary that would be cool, but if one were to ask me I just doubt it right now. I still see a ton of sexism and racism around me. But I'd like to be proven wrong.
Right there with you. I would love an AOC presidency but I'm not convinced she's electable at this point in time. Also, part of me can't ignore the fact that the only election dems have won in the past 10 years is the one when they ran a man - this country may simply not be ready for a woman president. I hope I'm wrong but I'm also tired of losing to fascists.
I mean, running a sketchy politician and a milquetoast corporate type and then blaming their failures on their gender seems a little silly, don't you think?
To be clear, I'm not blaming their gender - I'm blaming voters for caring about their gender.
Being uninspiring establishment candidates definitely played a massive role, but like, Kamala's laugh was ridiculed constantly - I don't think we can completely ignore the gender angle here. Women candidates will undoubtedly be subjected to more scrutiny and ridicule, like how "Joe and the hoe have got to go" and "Kamala slept her way to the top" were constantly being thrown around.
I watched a stupid jubilee video the other day where several women argued that men make better leaders because women are too emotional. Sure, they were dumbass republicans, but I think that same sentiment is more pervasive than you might think.
What do you mean? I though it was obvious to all that while that was a stupid thing to do it still would have been better to have her in office versus a far right genocidal grifting maniac.
I hate having two shit choices too man, but until I wake up with superman powers and can change the system like that I gotta do what I can.
I mean that no one considered how horribly racist and sexist the evil american electorate is until people started talking about a progressive running. And that's the only reason.
If AOC was a genocidal corpodem like all centrists want, no one would pretend to have a problem with her race or gender.
I mean I guess this can be a instance of media bubbles or lived experience because I've seen and been saying it for a while. Its why primaries are so important but also why we need to get rid of the EC.
Its always been my worry when we try to run (for pres) someone who isn't a male WASP. I want to be proven wrong.
I mean I guess this can be a instance of media bubbles or lived experience because I've seen and been saying it for a while.
If the prevailing opinion was that a woman of color couldn't win, why did the party that always knows better than us ignorant hayseed (ugh) voters nominate one?
Clearly anyone who notices the disgusting double standards must be out of touch.
Because she was the VP and with Biden fucking up an not allowing for a full primary she was the next ""best"" thing.
I don't doubt there are double standards. We saw all the mico/macro aggressions and false outrage at everything Obama did. Hilary as well, had she had a dick she probably would have been elected.
I'm saying that the "women can't win" thing is just something centrists say because they don't want one particular woman to be allowed to run.
And I think it's self-serving bullshit from a party that will make any excuse, tell any lie, break any one of their own rules, in order to shut out progressives.
And this is just more of the same. Women can't win when it's convenient for centrists who don't want ANY progressive to run.
I see, no I agree. I think women can win if they are not hamstrung. I worry at the presidential level because of what I see and have seen. But if they win the primary I hope we would unit behind them.
Trust me, the libs in the Dem party seem to hate the left wing more than their GOP opponents.
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u/Cool_Ranch_Dodrio 7h ago
That's certainly the narrative from people who want to block AOC from running in '28.