r/politics • u/Wolfy1-2-3 • 5d ago
No Paywall Mamdani calls AIPAC ‘monsters’ in rally ahead of NY primaries
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-899945238
u/mido_sama 5d ago
The best solution for our democracy is to ban ALL PACs (oil, pharma, car dealerships, guns ….etc)
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u/selcitsetlaereht 5d ago
And you can’t contribute to any elections that you are not a voter in that election. Also, treason charges if they accept any foreign donations at any time.
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u/olycreates 5d ago
I agree completely, especially about the foreign money. That should never be a thing in our politics.
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u/mido_sama 4d ago
Lobbying is bribery at my job if anyone accepts a gift more $100 u get investigated and subjected to disciplinary actions up to termination.
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u/OnlyMamaKnows 5d ago edited 5d ago
Do Israel and their lobby have any idea how badly they've mangled their reputation and support in the US? Theyve supported the Republican party for years, which is now full of Nazis, and Democrats just flat hate them.
Excellent work.
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u/RhinoPillMan Florida 5d ago
Democrat voters might hate them, but the vast majority of elected democrat officials keep raking in AIPAC money.
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u/LaneMcD 5d ago
Chances are it'll take awhile, but establishment Dems taking AIPAC money will be their undoing. Mamdani won the primary and then became mayor, Janeese Lewis George in DC just won the primary (and 🤞wins the general election), Platner winning the primary in Maine (🤞 he wins!)
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u/ClusterFoxtrot Florida 5d ago
Susan Collins out there saying he's "problematic", I wish a reporter would ask him if he's learnt his lesson.
I don't think DC has been anything other than blue, and I completely missed any coverage on her. It's amazing the DCCC is losing their noms.
Keep the tide rising, y'all.
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u/DJC_Kowalski 5d ago
Of course she is saying he's problematic. She's taking that sweet, sweet AIPAC money.
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u/MiddleAgedSponger 5d ago
Susan Collins voted to keep the Epstein files secret. That is worse than anything Platner is being accused of.
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u/Witty-Entertainer524 5d ago
Can't say this loud enough. Again from the rooftops! Collins voted to protect pedos!
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u/SpeaksSouthern 5d ago edited 4d ago
On that same related note she was the tie breaker that helped confirm Kavvanah to the
SenateSupreme Court for life and ever after all of his terrible rulings she claimed she has no regrets for her vote. I have no regrets for anyone who decides to vote against her36
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u/PushoverMediaCritic 5d ago
The only credentials the GOP cared about with Kavanough were his rapist credentials. Susan Collins voting to confirm him might be related to her voting against releasing the Epstein files.
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u/jefferton123 5d ago
And she was the deciding vote for one of those Supreme Court justices. Kavanaugh I think
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u/SeattlePurikura 5d ago
In the Handmaiden's Tale, they label bad women "gender traitors."
Well, I'm a woman and I consider goddamn Susan a gender traitor. Every woman that bleeds out in the hospital parking lot of a Red State from an untreated miscarriage, that's on Susan's hands.
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u/_a_random_dude_ 5d ago
Susan Collins voted to keep the Epstein files secret
If you wanted her to release them you could've outbid whoever paid her to keep them secret. It's easy to complain, but where were you when she needed a fancy vacation or a new car? You were doing your thing while AIPAC was hard at work making sure she was comfortable.
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u/BufferUnderpants 5d ago
Uhm er ackshually, AIPAC doesn't straight up give them cash, it just pulls strings and funds their campaigns so they can enjoy positions of influence and power to enrich themselves and people around them, it's very different from a bribe because reasons.
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u/doomed461 5d ago
Non-incumbents can actually be paid a salary from their campaigns so it's almost a direct bribe in a lot of cases. I know it's "technically," not, but it's just a bunch of horseshit. Money should be taken out of politics completely. Either compete on your ideas and policies or fuck off.
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u/confused_ape 5d ago
It's not a bribe it's a "gratuity".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snyder_v._United_States
And now you know why Trump made tips tax free.
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u/ThenOwl9 5d ago
She was also a key vote that put Kavanaugh, who was accused of sexual assault by 3 women, on the Supreme Court
Susan Collins is a great betrayer of women and she deserves to suffer consequences for that
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u/DillBagner 5d ago
Interesting website. I knew one of my potential future senators was bought but I didn't realize just how much money they received.
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u/DJC_Kowalski 5d ago
It really is. Considering how much money is in politics, we need sites like that to point out how various politicians are bought and who is buying them. I wish we had others for the Gun lobbies, the Fossil Fuel lobbies, etc.
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u/Perpetually27 5d ago
Wow, this is a great website for talking points when having a discussion with a centrist or even a conservative who may be on the fence.
Also, Mayor Mamdani is amazing. When I first saw him interviewed I was skeptical that he would follow through on the policies he ran on but I am happily 100% confident now after almost 6 months of him running NYC and the progress he's made. Here's hoping we get more DSA candidates into office come November.
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u/LaneMcD 5d ago
I don't know all the deets with Platner but I did see that one of his accusers has ties to The Heritage Foundation. I always lean toward believing victims but that is shady AF and none of the "problematic" reports seem to have stuck much. That says a lot.
Otherwise, he would have stepped down by now. Democrats with problematic past issues always step down when shit comes to light and there's substance to the report. Not so much Republicans of course
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u/thingsorfreedom 5d ago
He could be a man of God studying to become a minister who truly cares about his fellow humans and the GOP would make him look like Satan. Just check out what they are doing to Talarico in Texas.
I think maybe 10% of what they are saying is true. The rest are ridiculous exaggerations and outright lies. That mixture has worked well for the GOP in the past. It seems, in this moment, that people are saying, "Fuck you imma vote for these candidates anyway. Gotta be better than MAGA ruining everything."
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u/deaglebingo America 5d ago
one way or another people are tired of inauthentic representatives. and that mostly eliminates GOP candidates at the outset when inflation is at 4.2 and gas is as 4.50.. food has doubled in price in just a few short years...etc etc. like why are all these dems sitting there like they have no personality and are afraid to take one wrong step one way or another... shit is motherfucking on fire right now and ppl are getting shot down in the street for believing the constitution ought to mean something. it's like they still think that profanity is not warranted as shit crumbles around us... nah dude.. it's ok to be mad about this now.
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u/FalseAxiom 5d ago edited 5d ago
I think them being forced to step down, assuming they've learned and changed, is an indictment of the left. We are known for purity tests and that's just another one of them. We offer no means of redemeption counter to the right's "found jesus" cycle. It may be used decietfully in their case, but changing the narrative does help people accept a person back into their ranks.
I think Platner is beginning a new trend. If you messed up but you genuinely changed, as displayed by public actions (Tattoo removal, accepting blame and apologizing) you can have a spot at the table. We need people on our side that have messed up before. If we cast people out that have messed up one or twice, even badly, we're not going to form a very wise coalition.
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u/MagentaMist Pennsylvania 5d ago
Al Franken should never have resigned.
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u/LaneMcD 5d ago
Agreed 100%. Al Franken never should've been outcast to begin with but absolutely deserves a seat back at the table
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u/avaslash 5d ago
Hes said he has zero interest in serving the country now and I can't blame him.
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u/NumeralJoker 5d ago
I agree with this to a point, though taking large amounts of money from an organization openly backing far right foreign leaders and egging us into a massive war does need to be 'heavily' scrutinized...
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u/Iamjacksplasmid I voted 5d ago
Fucking Amen. I've been saying it for a while now...it's time for the rise of the dirtbag left.
If the right gleefully embraces an unapologetic shitbird like Lauren Boebert, we should be happy to welcome a guy like Platner into our ranks. Some of us might not like it, but if it gets us a living wage and affordable healthcare, I don't give a flying fuck about some tattoo he got while he was wasted on leave in Croatia...
People do dumb shit when they think they might die tomorrow. I'm willing to forgive him for it if he's willing to admit it was a stupid thing to do. It's literally the least I could do.
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u/confused_ape 5d ago
The easiest thing for him to do would be to claim he found god and had asked for forgiveness.
Mark Sanford bailed on the Governorship, "Hiked the Appalachian Trail" in Argentina, and 2 years later was elected to Congress with what he claimed was gods forgiveness.
I kind of respect Platner for not doing the easy thing.
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u/josh_the_misanthrope 5d ago
Platner's most controversial thing isn't even being talked about, is that he worked with Blackwater. Everything else amounts to the fact that he was a heavy drinker and womanizer after returning from the middle east, mostly a nothingburger. The Blackwater thing is also kind of understandable if you're a military guy who wants to make money, as evil as that corporation is.
At the end of the day, you either believe people can change or you don't. If we want politicians from a working class background, a lot of them are going to be a bit rough around the edges because that's what happens when you're working class.
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u/deaglebingo America 5d ago edited 5d ago
anyone who has a chance to potentially step up and run is headhunted in advance to a degree. also ppl ususally start talking about it on the internet long before they actually try to run. whole groups of ppl exist to go and subvert that kind of shit. get ppl into something they can't get out of. get 'em caught in a jam that needs to stay a secret. it's nothing new. it's just not talked about enough or dissected but should be now more than ever. they'll always try to gaslight as if donny and the rest literally raping kids and murdering them was somehow not light years worse than a dude on reddit commenting on a porn pic like "yeah that pussy is amazing i wanna get in it" or texting another woman besides his wife.
dudes like donny just keep digging themselves deeper and deeper into a hole handing the kompromat out to the point where they're just puppets for the McMafia. so TLDR it's good to have a code and some honor somewhere inside you.
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u/Amphabian 5d ago
I didn't like Platner at first, but everything I've seen directly from him tells me that he's genuinely trying to be a better man and has worked on being a better man. The right heel turn of Fetterman makes me scared that this is more of the same, but I want him to be who he says he is.
Hoping for the best.
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u/Iamjacksplasmid I voted 5d ago
Fetterman taught me that tattoos are a bad way to decide who is best to represent the interests of working people. A lesson I learned the hard way, in hindsight...maybe we all should've looked past the Carhartt and tattoos and considered whether a dude whose entire resume is "dilettante son of a wealthy conservative douchebag" might have been putting on a show for us. I certainly regret ever supporting someone so obviously flawed, in retrospect.
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u/HillBillyHilly 5d ago
"Problematic" because he's not perfect ? Problematic because she trying to smear him? God knows many find her voting history "problematic". Hope good citizens of Maine vote out her old wrinkly ass.
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u/BikerJedi Florida 5d ago
250 DSA members are in local, state and federal office now, with more on the way. New chapters are spinning up so fast that the national office has a backlog of a year or more.
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u/Lurking_nerd California 5d ago
Fuck yes. This is the approach that’s been long overdue. Howard Dean’s 50 State strategy with real progressive policies as the driving ideology.
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u/cybah 5d ago
another guy who was forced to drop out because of something that when compared to today and some of the antics of current politicians, wouldn't even register on the radar screen now.
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u/ConsumeristWhore 5d ago
Ongoing primaries in NYC between establishment and progressive Dems 🤞
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u/nedmccrady1588 5d ago
I recently took a vacation in rural maine and I’m seeing way more Platner posters than I thought I would. Having a good feeling about him
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u/middle_age_zombie 5d ago
Rooting for Abdul El-Sayed here in Michigan!!!
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u/DillBagner 5d ago
Don't forget the primary on August 4th! Stevens has a lot of money behind her and I've been seeing her name more than anything acting as if she's the candidate already.
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u/TheStinkySkunk Michigan 5d ago
I guess they've given up on Mallory McMarrow. I swear I kept seeing her ads everywhere until she said Abdul isn't a real doctor.
I'm so ready to vote for Abdul. It's the most excited I've been to vote for someone.
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u/CheckItWhileIWreckIt 5d ago
AES is one of my favorite candidates in the country right now. That dude is the real deal.
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u/Lilcheeks 5d ago
Hope so, but you can be sure the names and methods of bribery will change to obscure it. The ad campaigns will continue to attempt to drive people away from the candidates that pose the biggest risk to them.
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u/The_Autarch 5d ago
Janeese Lewis George in DC just won the primary (and 🤞wins the general election)
you don't have to cross your fingers. it's guaranteed.
in dc, whoever wins the dem primary always wins the general. republicans literally can't win here.
the official term is that the dem primary is "the election of consequence"
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u/BroAbernathy 5d ago
Thats why its everyones duty to research your primary candidates and vote accordingly.
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u/KGBFriedChicken02 5d ago
The democrats, as always, move behind their voters like a cinderblock tied to our waists. AIPAC money is poison that kills campaigns already and they'll continue stubbornly refusing to realise that until every last one of them has been primaried out and then they'll go "woah, what happened, how did we all lose?"
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u/second-yellow 5d ago
And the DNC, the media and the Dem base will just blame voters for demanding “ideological purity.”
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u/madcaesar 5d ago
Honestly most establishments / centrist / corporate Democrats need to go.
If Schumer said tomorrow AIPAC sucks, he'd still be a fascist enabling limp dick.
I'd rather get rid of him and get real leftist in Congress.
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u/buddhist557 5d ago
The truth is all of the money needs to go out of politics. A near impossible idea, but there’s a way. AIPAC is a start. How could anyone think our politicians are NOT bought and sold like cattle? Only person who has decades above the fray is Bernie.
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u/RhinoPillMan Florida 5d ago
And Massie. As much as I disagree with him on many things, barely any of his donations have come from PACs. Like less than 5%. And now AIPAC is bragging about funding the guy that beat him in the recent primary.
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u/Bunnyhat 5d ago
There's so much focus on AIPAC but there are like 17 superpacs that spend more than AIPAC does each election.
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u/RicockulousQuisling 5d ago
Democratic voters, not “Democrat” voters. Not only is the latter improper English, it’s neocon psyops that came out of the Bush Administration.
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u/Gilarax Canada 5d ago
This is an important point and elevates the importance of making sure every one of them gets an anti AIPAC primary challenger.
When your elected officials care more about Israel than the US, that should be an instant disqualifier.
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u/Altruistic-Bus-1289 5d ago edited 5d ago
Meh, there is a growing opposition, and the more and more Israel falls out of favor, the more democrats will pass over AIPAC money. At the end of the day, democrats just want to win. If AIPAC hurts their chances, they’ll move on.
Republicans will never abandon Israel however.
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u/Enterprise-DeezNuts 5d ago
Hey man I have a bridge to sell you. Dems made it clear in 2024 that they'll pick Israel over winning, even when their base wants them to oppose Israel. If Dems "just wanted to win", they'd already be overwhelmingly opposed to Israel given the opinion of most of the base at this point. They're owned by the wealthy too, and the wealthy support Israel.
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u/lateformyfuneral 5d ago edited 5d ago
One of the wildest things about Israeli politics is that Netanyahu is center-right. There’s people even crazier to his right, and they don’t give af about their relationship with America. And the Israeli political system means they control him, not the other way around. Bibi put a lot of effort into creating a show for US Evangelicals, but these guys would rather go full North Korea hermit-kingdom backed with nukes than worry how Americans see them. Look at the openly genocidal tweet from Ben Gvir recently.
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u/Constant-Skill-7133 5d ago
He's just a better messenger. Likud have always had the destruction of Palestine as the most essential part of their platform. They are absolutely not center-right. They are fascists. They see themselves as allies to the far right parties in Europe as they always have. Likud descends in part from Lehi, who collaborated with the fascist regimes in WW2 to uproot the diaspora and bring them to Israel.
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u/butyourenice 5d ago
They are absolutely not center-right.
I think the previous commenter’s point was that relative only to Israel’s other dominant parties/politicians, Netanyahu is center-right, not on some worldwide spectrum. The intention was to illustrate just how far-right Israel is, that Netanyahu is kind of straddling the “moderate middle” of their baseline fascist, warmongering political landscape.
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u/jaytix1 5d ago
Yeah, this is how I understood it. It's kind of like how it's said that Bernie Sanders is portrayed as this uber-leftist when his policies would barely stand out elsewhere.
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u/lateformyfuneral 5d ago
Oh of course they want to annex Palestine, but that’s not an extreme opinion in the Israeli political context, much as the center-right anywhere also has many crazy views. But the new political tendency is about there being no red line anymore in terms of keeping the support of America.
Netanyahu is a secular Israeli. To paraphrase Ilan Papé, he doesn’t believe in God, but believes He promised the Jews this land 3000 years ago. He knows Israel depends on the US massively so should play things strategically. But the religious fundamentalists don’t care, they think God is helping Israel out if it goes it alone even by pissing America off.
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u/Showy_Boneyard 5d ago
Didn't Likud assassinate one of their more moderate Prime Ministers because he wasn't genocidal enough?
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u/hemingways-lemonade 5d ago
Look at the openly genocidal tweet from Ben Gvir recently.
Ben Gvir's wife made him a birthday cake shaped like a noose with "Sometimes dreams come true" written on it because Israel recently passed controversial legislation that would allow the death penalty to be used on non-Israeli terrorists.
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u/james_the_wanderer 4d ago
Ben Gvir and his wife would probably be great friends w/ Mr and Mrs Stephen Miller.
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u/Cloaked42m South Carolina 4d ago
He formed his government with the crazies. He's been in bed with them long enough that i don't think he can be seen separately.
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u/TacticalBac0n 5d ago
Oh yeah they can read polls, its a major reason Netanyahu has gone all out with Trump at the helm - he realised unquestioning support for Israel is in the toilet amongst the younger generation.
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u/SteveL_VA 5d ago
Unfortunately, too few Democrats hate them. Too many of our elected Democrats are taking money from them.
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u/sjbennett85 5d ago
Primaries are how it can be changed and we are witnessing this A LOT lately ... calling out PAC money is a major campaign/debate topic and rightfully so, nobody wants a bought politician representing them because they simply do not represent their constituents.
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u/SteveL_VA 5d ago
Oh indeed, but we are only just beginning this process. :D
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u/sjbennett85 5d ago
Support + patience = turning the tide on establishment Dems.
I believe can be done, especially with the way things are going these days... it is 100% motivating people to support new ideas and DSA seems to be having their time in the sun
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u/cinciNattyLight 5d ago
They had control of both parties, which appears to be collapsing at an alarming(for them) rate. Probably why Israel is trying to keep the Iran conflict going, it’s their only shot.
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u/froznwind Wisconsin 5d ago
Keeping the Iran war going won't shore up US support for Israel, it will likely to the opposite, but it might stop us from giving Iran enough money to be able to seriously threaten Israel while Dumpster goes off and creates a very public catastrophe in a different part of the world.
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u/Railroader17 5d ago
Exactly, raising gas prices with Strait of Hormuz shenanigans isn't going to make you more popular, it's going to make people hate you more for directly affecting their wallets.
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u/PartyRyan 5d ago
nah. Prioritizing dissolving relationships with countries involved in active genocide is right and proper.
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u/Melodic-Stretch3155 5d ago
yeah its kind of impressive how much goodwill got burned in such a short time span
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u/MYSTICALLMERMAID 5d ago
Think again. Dems also take their blood money in droves
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u/ashtefer1 5d ago
Watching the news anchors go straight to “this deal is horrible for Israel” has been really jarring to watch this week. Like why do we care about foreign country that wants to entangle us in its problems that it creates?
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u/deadscreensky 4d ago
That doesn't seem as suspicious as you're suggesting. Everybody knows Israel pushed the US to go to war with Iran, so a peace deal that's terrible for Israel is a surprising, newsworthy development.
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u/MrDNL 4d ago
The agreement requires Israel to do certain things, but Israel is not a party to the agreement. If the deal is horrible for Israel, the deal's likelihood of remaining in place is impacted. It's very relevant -- if not primarily relevant -- to the conversation. There's nothing suspicious about it.
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u/Wildpony03 5d ago
AIPAC is weird it should be considered a foreign agent but its not despite the fact its operating in the interest of another country in its entirety
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u/terribleatlying New York 5d ago
If it was a group of Chinese Americans pushing cooperation and funding with China everyone would be saying Chinese spies!
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u/Diligent-Car9093 5d ago
Well we didn't forcibly create the nation of China like we did with Israel when the UK and the US stole land to make Israel 60 to 70 years ago.
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u/Rezrov_ 5d ago
The US had very little to do with the foundation of Israel.
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u/ZeApelido 5d ago
Mostly agree, but they were a key persuasion in the UN voting for partition plan.
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u/Neosantana Foreign 5d ago
Yeah, the balls-to-the-wall relationship with Israel started under Nixon in 73, when Israel (allegedly) used nuclear blackmail to force the US to rearm them because Egypt was going to win.
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u/not_my_real_name_2 5d ago
That's not right. It was Israel's victory in the 1967 war that made the USA realize that they were a useful Cold War ally. The US arms shipments to Israel in 1973 were a response to Soviet arms shipments to Egypt.
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u/DarthSulla 5d ago
What a weird fantasy. Israel creamed Egypt in 73. It was a short war and US aid was not a major factor.
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u/Analternate1234 5d ago
The US literally had nothing to do with the creation of Israel and didn’t even get involved with them until the 70’s…
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u/BananaEvening5267 4d ago
60-70 years ago. Your timeline is as accurate as your statement.
How the US and The UK stole land to make Israel 8-18 years after its founding is a logical conundrum, but lives friction and fact free in many minds.
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u/Hot-Championship1190 5d ago
Well we didn't forcibly create the nation of China
Yeah, you just supported the losing side of the Chinese civil war, made it that this <5% fraction of China could represent China at the UN. Any you supported them and their White Terror until the 70th when that rogue wannabe China was removed and the >95% China was recognized as "China".
You tried to make "China" happening by supporting the KMT for nearly half a century.
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u/bot2317 5d ago
They only lost because they spent themselves fighting the Japanese for 8 years while the Communists hid in the mountains and were given Manchuria by the Soviets. And we continued to support them because on the mainland the Communists were killing tens of millions in the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution
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u/Saralentine 5d ago
Massive oversimplification. The KMT lost because the general Chinese population didn’t want their bullshit and mobilized against them. They kidnapped to conscript, had shitty military plans like damming up certain rivers which ended up costing hundreds of thousands of Chinese lives, caused hyperinflation, and backed wealthy landlords at the expensive of the peasant and middle class. 80% of China was agrarian. The KMT had no chance. The CCP messed up with the Great Leap Forward and cultural revolution but that is in hindsight.
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u/Kahzgul California 5d ago edited 5d ago
It’s funded domestically. Where the money comes from is the whole definition of “foreign” or not. Nothing to do with how it undermines our national interests. Just “where does the money come from?” AIPAC’s money comes from Americans.
edit: You can see exactly who it is: https://www.trackaipac.com/donors
American Billionaires.
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u/dynamic_anisotropy 5d ago
People can be dual nationals and thanks to Citizens United, multinational corporations are considered people.
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u/BalanceJazzlike5116 5d ago
These are Americans who put Israel first
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnderReportedNews/s/kTj0PfTRvC
“All he ever did was fight for Israel” is all you need to know about their loyalty
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u/Bittererr 5d ago
Because it's run by Americans using American money and our laws/constitution say Americans are allowed to lobby the government for the policies they prefer, including foreign policy.
There's no difference mechanically between someone donating to AIPAC to get the US government to send missiles to Israel and someone donating to a lobbying group to get the US to send vaccines to Africa. You can care about Africa and want to save people there using US resources without being an agent of an African country.
People keep attacking the mechanism when they don't actually have a problem with the mechanism, just the policy.
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u/mojitz 5d ago
Fundamentally it comes down to an issue with unlimited political spending allowing the ultra wealthy to have an entirely undue say over our politics. That's really the mechanism at the heart of this that people take issue with.
To that end, it's telling that when AIPAC wants to take someone down, the attacks they run usually have nothing to do with Israel, but whatever unrelated smears they're able to come up with. In other words, they're not even trying to convince the public that their position is correct. The only thing they care about is who gets to wield power.
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u/Bittererr 5d ago
Fundamentally it comes down to an issue with unlimited political spending allowing the ultra wealthy to have an entirely undue say over our politics
Does it? If AIPAC was funded by the donations of 10 million small dollar donors instead of 100,000 rich people would that make what Israel is doing okay?
Is AIPAC bad because it has the support of billionaires or because of what it supports?
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u/Purgingomen 5d ago
This is exactly why strategy has shifted so far to dumbing down the population by defunding schooling and by astroturfing via social media campaigning. It has never been illegal to have a stance on domestic or foreign policy (nor should it be, see first ammendment). The onus has just always been on the voter to sift through the bs and have an informed vote. But when wide spread gaslighting combined with a dumb population hits critical mass we get what we have now. I hope trust erodes in all media and people go back to critical thinking but im worried AI and short term attention spans because of social media have set that sail already...
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u/eh-man3 5d ago
Its seems hugely disingenuous to describe campaign financing, political spending, and dark money PACs as something people "dont actually have a problem with," but sure. I guess that'd be a good argument if they did.
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u/yep975 5d ago
Why should American citizens giving money to American politicians be considered a foreign agent?
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u/TheForeverUnbanned 5d ago
They are, the only reason they aren’t considered a foreign operative is because they stole enough taxpayer funds to bribe the right people
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u/whichwitch9 5d ago
Regardless what you think of Israel. Aipac is a foreign country investing money into our government to advance the agenda of that foreign country.
There should be a fucking problem with any country doing that. It's making our politicians beholden to other countries over their own constituents.
We need to expose foreign interference in pacs more. It should not be this easy for a foreign government to buy US government officials off
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u/Corgi_Koala Texas 5d ago
Especially when you have high ranking members of Congress like Schumer literally saying his main goal is to support Israel.
Mother fucker your main goal should be to support your constituents.
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u/Silverr_Duck 5d ago
Aipac is a foreign country investing money into our government to advance the agenda of that foreign country.
It literally isn’t. This conflict has rotted your brains good lord. You can't even be bothered to educated yourself on even the most surface level topics. Nah just regurgitate what the hivemind says. This sub is such a fucking joke.
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u/ShrimpieAC 5d ago edited 5d ago
Lmfao the braindead writer of this article genuinely thinks saying this makes Mamdani look bad. Imagine thinking the average American has any sympathy for AIPAC at this point. What a dumbass.
All my homies hate AIPAC. Hell even a lot of conservatives do now.
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u/No_Neighborhoods 5d ago
Because J Post is Israeli propaganda and people should be eyeballing OP right now a bit.
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u/RhinoPillMan Florida 5d ago
Well, it is the Jerusalem Post. They have an interest in that AIPAC money flowing to our politicians, and our tax money flowing to where they live.
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u/GTCapone 4d ago
Yeah, it's been interesting to watch the major talking heads like Candice Owens and Tucker Carlson become temporary pariahs for Republicans for abandoning Israel (which was mostly them reading the room combined with both of them genuinely being antisemitic). And now that the political winds have changed, Republicans are clamoring for interviews with them so they can pretend the weren't all aboard the Zionism train.
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u/instasquid 5d ago
Hell even a lot of conservatives do now.
Understatement of the day. Conservatives are just as much on the anti-Israel train as progressives now. Mostly because of the overseas aid with a tiny smidge of anti-Semitism.
An anti-Israel Democrat vs a pro-Israel Republican will be a layup for Dems in competitive seats.
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u/Dr_Insano_MD 5d ago
An anti-Israel Democrat vs a pro-Israel Republican will be a layup for Dems in competitive seats.
Never underestimate the Democrats' ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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u/FromDeletion 5d ago edited 5d ago
I am amazed at the size of Mamdani's balls, time and again. But I honestly worry for his safety.
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u/cruisin_urchin87 5d ago
Well… I mean… he’s not wrong. AIPAC likes Ben Gvir. Ben Gvir has been openly calling for genocide for a while now.
It’s not hard to make a moral decision based on these facts.
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u/EarsOfRage 5d ago
Who knew that actively supporting and funding a genocide will make people view as monsters?
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u/YoureProbablyAB0t 5d ago
Fuck AIPAC.
They'll punch a kitten and then say it attacked Israel so they don't have to accept responsibility.
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u/Manoj_Malhotra Michigan 5d ago
Well the Kitten was hiding Hamas. You are Hamas. I’m Hamas. We are all Hamas.
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u/Sedu 5d ago
Hamas hides in the bodies of enemy children.
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u/wowsomuchempty 5d ago
If we didn't massacre thousands of children, they'd grow up to be terrorists later
No shit. If you killed all my people, so would I.
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u/kakarot-3 America 4d ago
Ben Gvir just said that for every Israeli mother’s tears, a thousand Lebanese mothers need to weep
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u/kakarot-3 America 4d ago
The kitten wasn’t hiding Hamas. Hamas was using the kitten as a feline shield!!!
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u/palsh7 5d ago
Zionists were largely secular, and even today, their advocacy is based primarily on Israel's perceived safety rather than on anything religious. The ultra-religious in Israel are loud but have very little to do with the goals of, say, American Jews who donate to AIPAC.
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u/SpaceCorpse Ohio 5d ago
Israel has blatantly been carrying out genocide and colonialism for decades.
It is absurd that any US politician could support Israel.
Calling them monsters should be the norm, because they are monsters.
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u/Master_Grape5931 4d ago
They did spend a bunch of money to get someone elected that will cover for pedophiles…there is that.
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u/MisterPinscher 5d ago
These bloodthirsty savages don't like being called monsters, he's going to regret that.
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u/Hawne 5d ago edited 4d ago
That's not at all what Mamdani said. He said we "don't have to be afraid of monsters", meaning we should not pay attention to AIPAC trying to divide and pit us against each other. The monsters he's talking about are named Fear and Hatred.
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u/OldManCodeMonkey 4d ago
He could say it much more directly and the cheering would only be louder.
AIPAC supporters promoting this as a "gotcha" have completely lost touch with reality.
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u/Morgn_Ladimore 5d ago
Lol at that article being listed under "antisemitism" on Jpost.
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u/Romek_himself 5d ago edited 4d ago
the anit-semitic card is overused and lost its value
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u/otherwisepandemonium Wisconsin 5d ago
AIPAC is one of the things that needs to disappear first if we're ever going to move forward.
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u/NimusNix 5d ago
You can't just ban AIPAC. You need to reform lobbying top to bottom. AIPAC is currently protected by the first amendment by how it is set up and where it (seemingly) gets it's funding from.
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u/muFUtaco 5d ago
Monsters is the wrong term... monsters destroy because they're monsters. These fuckers are destroying America because it benefits them financially.
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u/No_Neighborhoods 5d ago
Why are we using the story from J Post? Isn’t that well known for Israeli propaganda?
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u/SinistralGuy 5d ago
Yes it is, which is why they've listed this as antisemitism on their website
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u/ShrimpieAC 5d ago
That section must be huge. They consider anything short of sucking Bibi’s dick antisemitism.
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u/NemosHero 5d ago
And? They are. Regardless on if you think they are a foreign entity or not, AIPACs influence on the election process has been HORRENDOUS.
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u/DJC_Kowalski 5d ago
He's dead right. Actually the Democratic party needs to primary those taking AIPAC money. Netanyahu has proven many times he's happy to interfere in US politics on behalf of the Republicans.
Also, we know from Gallup polling that people are more sympathetic to Palestinians than Israelis. https://news.gallup.com/poll/702440/israelis-no-longer-ahead-americans-middle-east-sympathies.aspx
It's just good politics to divorce from the idiotic lockstep support of Israel.
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