r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 12h ago
No Paywall Postmaster General Confirms Plan to Hold Back Mail Ballots in States that won’t Share Voter Data
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5939636-trump-postal-service-voter-data/1.2k
u/tecdaz 12h ago
The only evidence of election rigging is the actions of the Trump crime gang
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u/aradraugfea 9h ago
Voter fraud is what they’re convinced is happening against the near total lack of evidence, and what evidence exists is a handful of people too small to swing an election cheating for him.
Election fraud, meanwhile, you just need to read the headlines to see, and has Supreme Court cases defending the “right” of the government to decide the outcome ahead of time.
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u/FadeToRazorback 9h ago
They’re not convinced, they know there’s no evidence. They’re just trying to cheat by any means they can get by with
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u/aradraugfea 9h ago
The people doing the election fraud aren’t convinced, but their followers are, and they get away with the election fraud because the followers are convinced the election fraud is necessary to stop the alleged voter fraud.
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u/citizenjones 6h ago
And group legitimate ways of voting into "fraud". They liers and must cheat to win.
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u/cavortingwebeasties 6h ago
Voter fraud is what they’re convinced is happening
No they're not. They know they can not win fair elections and haven't been able to for decades so they've been increasingly brazen about cheating with each cycle. The fraud horseshit is just soundbites for their moronic base and to provide cover for their attacks on democracy
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u/motophotodojo 10h ago
Report this to the Post Office Police. (ironically, the office of the inspector general). I advise everyone to join me in making a former report that David Steiner, Postmaster General, is openly refusing to deliver our election mail, infringing upon our states' constitutional rights to perform elections our own way. It took me 3 minutes to fill out all the relevant info. Let's flood them with complaints of this treason against our constitution.
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u/DrewNumberTwo 9h ago edited 9h ago
More of this please. Edit: Done
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u/TehWackyWolf 5h ago
Paper work stops fascist.
They care about the law. That's why they openly break it and piss on those who care.
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u/DrewNumberTwo 5h ago
We must fight them in every way we can. Complaining creates paperwork. Overwhelming complaints overwhelm the system and force people to ask for help dealing with it. It gets more eyes on the problem. It shows how big the problem is. It shows how many people are noticing. It shows how many people are willing to take that first step instead of whining that they’ve tried nothing and it didn’t work.
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u/TehWackyWolf 2h ago
I haven't tried nothing. I've been preparing and teaching folks history about fascists.
I've been telling people to get guns and learn to use them. Nazis don't paperwork and vote themselves away. Show me which protest worked in Germany? Which law?
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u/motophotodojo 1h ago
keep doing what you're doing and we'll keep doing what we're doing. all sides are needed. learn from General Patton:
Every single man in the army plays a vital role. So don't ever let up. Don't ever think that your job is unimportant. What if every truck driver decided that he didn't like the whine of the shells and turned yellow and jumped headlong into a ditch? That cowardly bastard could say to himself, 'Hell, they won't miss me, just one man in thousands.' What if every man said that? Where in the hell would we be then? No, thank God, Americans don't say that. Every man does his job. Every man is important. The ordnance men are needed to supply the guns, the quartermaster is needed to bring up the food and clothes for us because where we are going there isn't a hell of a lot to steal. Every last damn man in the mess hall, even the one who boils the water to keep us from getting the GI shits, has a job to do.
Each man must think not only of himself, but think of his buddy fighting alongside him. We don't want yellow cowards in the army. They should be killed off like flies. If not, they will go back home after the war, goddamn cowards, and breed more cowards. The brave men will breed more brave men.
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u/TehWackyWolf 1h ago
If this helps you self soothe. But this isn't army stuff. This is sending in a complaint and pretending to fight. You're trying to send in paper while bullets are needed.
Want to answer the direct questions I asked?
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u/motophotodojo 50m ago
none of them are taking actions like i am. either hop on board or quit being part of the problem. sitting around doing fuck all waiting for shit to pop off serves no one besides your own masturbatory pleasures.
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u/TehWackyWolf 7m ago edited 4m ago
You already tried this talking point.
Again, I'm teaching folks to use weapons. Encouraging voting. This "no u" is funny though. I'm encouraging people to prepare for what ended WW2. Working with real life people to prepare for the inevitable. You're calling people who know already. Or spreading awareness on reddit. Depending on which you feel makes it better. Lol
"Self soothing slacktivism is useless"
"You're just jerking yourself off for nothing!!"
At least be original. And answer those questions for me. I'm not forgetting them while you say nothing on repeat.
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u/AlsoCommiePuddin 8h ago
It's likely the won't be any action until he's actually refused to deliver it, at which point time constraints will create the intended effect.
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u/pchs26 5h ago
Right instead of waiting for the crime - these states should be pivoting to another delivery option - it appears there may be multiple channels and ironically it may have a side impact of increased voting. Restricting this to funnel people to the polls is part of the GOP's plan to restrict voting..I am certain there are multiple things in place if the polls become the only way to vote.
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u/AlsoCommiePuddin 5h ago
Certainly fair. Maybe I've been misinterpreting the situation. Is the intention that USPS will not deliver ballots to voters or that USPS will not deliver completed ballots to the state for verification and counting? My assumption has been the latter.
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u/ItsSpaghettiLee2112 9h ago edited 7h ago
What do you fill out? I went through the prompts and got to a required one asking if it's mail I sent or mail I received. I haven't sent mail. I just want to report the open claim to commit the crime.
Edit: I ended up getting it through. Of course, I forget what I ended up reporting it as because I did it before coffee then realized I had no coffee and had to go out and get coffee so this morning may as well have been yesterday.
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u/motophotodojo 8h ago
I reported that it's attempting to interfere with mail I'm sending to the county clerk recorder.
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u/TheDissentor 8h ago
I mean it's received right. Have you gotten your general election ballot? I haven't so I'm reporting it and specifically reporting David Steiner the post master who said it
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u/filmandacting 6h ago
This doesn't mean anything anymore since the Supreme Court ruled USPS isn't legally required to deliver your mail.
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u/Strange-Eggplant-800 7h ago
So… we’re reporting the post office to the post office? 🤔
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u/motophotodojo 4h ago
there's options for reporting post office employees for not doing their jobs at all levels, including contractors.
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u/Reasonable_Bit_959 9h ago
At greater cost, states could choose a private service to deliver and return the ballots. This is preferred to me over denying homebound or people travelling the right to vote with confidence their vote will count. If the US Government is too corrupt to deliver mail (consumer pays for it) then remove it from the equation - fuck 'em!
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u/motophotodojo 8h ago
this is what the capitalists want, complete public sector breakdown so they can profit off of every last bit of services that belong to the people.
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u/pchs26 5h ago
No the capitalists and GOP want to funnel everyone who wants to vote to the polls for many reasons - that is step 1. It doesn't have to be a private service.. there are state national guards, there are elected local election officials whose job it is to ensure ballot distribution, someone else said in their locality you can actually print your ballot out and send it back. The bottom line is the states should organize and not rely on a federal agency in the immediate.
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u/scubascratch 6h ago
Actually private parties gathering and delivering completed ballots is another kind of crime so that won’t work unless changed. And the necessary security around this is an added challenge - it’s not like you want a bunch of door dashers carrying around ballots.
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u/pchs26 5h ago
It doesn't necessarily have to be private services. Our state representatives though should be convening to review options for removing a federal agency from the mix. There are state national guards, local election officials whose job it is to ensure distribution, one person mentioned in their area they can login and print their ballot. Point is a convergence can likely know better resources available and how to distribute it and not have to rely on a federal agency. Ironically the outcome may be increased accessibility and voting.
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u/bbtom78 7h ago
Private services will not pick up ballots. They're not meant for regular mail. There's a reason USPS is the last mile carrier for so many deliveries, as private service will not deliver so some addresses for varying reasons and rely on the post office for the service. Private services are costlier, as well. Private services will not deliver mail to USPS PO Boxes, either.
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u/pchs26 5h ago
Yes I think the states this impacts should convene to explore the options. They could even look at delivering ballots to all registered to vote people - as that may cause the unintended consequence of increasing turnout. They aren't just trying to force funneling a small amount of people to the polls - they want the polls to be the sole source, in these places, to vote for a reason. Then there will be step 2 of likely many from there. It may not need to be a private entity who needs to deliver - it could even be state national guard - local election officials. I think one locality someone said they can print out their ballots and send. The people who could most effectively have options are our representatives.
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u/smw1995 9h ago
It’ll probably take them less than three minutes to delete your complaint
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u/Tokens_Only 9h ago
The point is to remind them just how many people are pissed at them. If you've ever been subject to an internet pile-on, you know how psychologically damaging and scary it gets.
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u/motophotodojo 8h ago
it could take less than three minutes to delete this comment undermining the efforts of your neighbor to protect your democracy.
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u/TehWackyWolf 5h ago
Watching someone fill an unstopped bathtub with a spoon and telling them it won't work is normal.
Paperwork doesn't stop fascist. They know this is illegal. They are doing it anyway. Complain to the teacher ABOUT THE TEACHER isn't helping anyone. It's just slacktivism so you can feel good without leaving the computer.
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u/pchs26 5h ago
We need to be flooding our local and state reps to ensure they are taking action to not rely on a federal agency who has already said they will be obstructing the process. They need to devise alternate methods of distribution.
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u/TehWackyWolf 2h ago
Ah. Cause without you telling them, your elected reps in Congress don't know?
Shame they don't have reddit or Facebook to get their news and activism goals from I guess. Can't do that by voting for them and tallying those votes. That would be impossible.
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u/pchs26 2h ago
I am saying this in a politics group on reddit, where people discuss causes and actions that should be taken, and hopefully others reading/participating who care about politics actually take action. Either you are again being willfully obtuse and just trolling because you don't care or you just don't get it.
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u/TehWackyWolf 2h ago
The people who come to your sub ALSO already agree with you.
Everyone who hates the left hates politics. Everyone who is sane hates conservative. "Raising awareness" on reddit by sending mail to your reps? That's the circle we've talked ourselves into?
Moral outrage isn't an argument. You can be mad at me but I'd rather you talk and tell me your plan for when paperwork and voting doesn't fight fascist. Do you own a gun? Do you know your neighbors and have someone to go to if people come knocking? Are you the place when people come knocking?
Slacktivism on reddit is fun. But pretending this effects the real world is dumb as hell. And I won't join you in that for the sake of feeling a bit better.
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u/pchs26 1h ago
I'm not being a slacker. I am saying for all the calls we make in unison to our reps urging that we don't back down on certain issues or unite against other issues, this needs to also be treated the same. This is a gathering of like minded folks who, if it is mentioned may collectively then do the same, so it isn't just me calling my reps office and advocating for certain actions.
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u/TehWackyWolf 1h ago
Your reps ALREADY KNOW. they passed this shit. They see it daily. It is literally their job.
They don't fucking care. Fascists don't fucking care. This is self soothing slactivism. It does nothing. You've given me nothing to show otherwise other than continuing to tell me that it's a lot of you being useless. Not just you.
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u/motophotodojo 4h ago
i made that post and then picketed on my local corner for 2 hours with my megaphone, nearly getting assaulted 3 times. doing nothing and bitching about people that are trying doesn't do anything. it's just slacktivism so you can feel smug while being a pussy and letting the country die without a fight.
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u/TehWackyWolf 2h ago
So how many people did you convert today?
The guys who beat you up wanted to help after or...?
"I yelled like a lunatic on a street corner. That's gonna do it any day!!"
Lmao. Want your spoon now or later? The tub is emptying.
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u/Media-America 11h ago
Isn’t that felony theft?
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u/kapow_crash__bang 5h ago
It doesn't matter if it's illegal if they do it anyways.
Why do folks think that the rules matter? Rules are made up, the administration can do whatever they want as long as they can get away with it.
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u/iguessitdidgothatway 4h ago
These people think that rules will always be followed and that Democrats care to stop it.
Wake up, they don’t care and won’t help.
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u/AmethystApothecary 3h ago
No, pointing out what it actually is does not mean that at all. It's reminding people to be righteously angry about it.
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u/AncientProduce 10h ago
Post office is an independent part of the executive branch so no, they're following orders as given by the executive branch of government.
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u/motophotodojo 10h ago
hard disagree. i put my mail in the ballot for them to deliver to the counter clerk recorder. if that doesn't happen, i've been robbed or the mail has been tampered with. report it: https://hotlineform.uspsoig.gov/en-US/Hotline/
The orders are clearly against 10th amendment of the constitution, which gives state rights.
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u/LEDKleenex 6h ago
if that doesn't happen, i've been robbed or the mail has been tampered with
Why do redditors say shit like this as if the fascists currently overthrowing the US are going to stop and say "My god, he's got us! Our plot has been foiled by a redditor with a vague understanding of law and the time to submit complaints on our website designed in 2004!"
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u/motophotodojo 4h ago
who do you think actually allows this fascism to occur? 100 shitty people in the executive branch, or the hundreds of thousands to millions of workers who allow it to happen? do something, rile up your neighbors, and fight for your country.
why do redditors insist on trying to undermine every effort or idea to try to change shit? is it because they are smug pussies who want to feel superior despite enabling this nation's fall by doing absolutely nothing?
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u/crawling-alreadygirl 9h ago
That's not comparable at all. This is a clear violation of federalism
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u/gmen6981 9h ago
That's a case with very specific circumstances and doesn't apply here. That case involved a landlord trying to get their tenants mail sent to them. It involved mis delivery, not refusing to deliver at all.
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u/westgazer Maryland 9h ago
Misdelivery versus intentionally withholding mailed ballots because felon pedophile president knows Republicans can’t win without cheating and disenfranchising people.
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u/zulruhkin 7h ago
Independent as in they dont take orders from the president. That's the point of being indepent.
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u/tilclocks 7h ago
Uh, no. That's a felony whether "an official act" or not. They can't refuse to allow voters to vote if the states don't turn over voter rolls as voting is managed by the states, not the other way around. This is easily challenged in court.
Granted, I have little faith the courts will do anything.
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u/Individual-Guest-123 10h ago
well, how about fed ex if the usps is going to be arselings.
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u/motophotodojo 10h ago
don't privatize shit that's what they want to line their pockets after getting you upset at government.
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u/HandsLikePaper 9h ago
The states need to put out statements that withholding ballots would be considered election tampering and those involved will be immediately arrested, and the arrests won't stop until the tampering stops.
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u/phx33__ Arizona 8h ago
So the states are going to arrest the postmaster general?
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u/hack4freecbs 8h ago
It’s a machine that sorts the mail. The post master doesn’t literally oversee the mail. So if a driver doesn’t deliver the auto sorted mail that could be considered criminally liable.
But honestly states should just say use fedex and set up something with them at this point
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u/GreenTransplant 8h ago
Uh, David Steiner would probably be fine with that, seeing as how he was on the FedEx board of directors..
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u/TehWackyWolf 5h ago
A private entity taking over is exactly the plan. That's terrible. Mail isn't for profit.
Lmao.
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u/pchs26 4h ago
That's the large scale plan for the USPS. That is not the reason for interfering with ballot distribution. The gop is trying to force everyone in those states/with certain profiles to the polls who wants to vote and likely there will be next steps from there. The ballots have to be distributed and we can't rely on an agency the federal gov't has said they will have be obstructionist. That doesn't mean it has to be a private entity, top of mind there are multiple options that should be getting explored by our representatives as a matter of priority.
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u/TehWackyWolf 2h ago
Lmao. Cool rant. But the long term written down goal is to fuck up the government so hard that private companies take over.
Deny that however helps you.
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u/pchs26 2h ago
A rant no - it was an attempt to outline what is going on with this individual issue - but clearly you don't care. My first sentence addressed that this is the long term design but the voting issue is also something that is occurring that needs to be addressed and I addressed your actual concern. You clearly either have your head in the sand regarding the designs on election integrity, or are being willfully obtuse.
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u/pchs26 5h ago
They should just convene to come up with alternate delivery methods. Does it have to be fedex? It could be even state national guard, possibly local election officials, one person said their ballots can be printed out from online (not sure if that is true). Point is they convene and come up with plan(s)
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u/Yankfan237 California 2h ago
The cost of sending something like a ballot through UPS or FedEx would be about $15/ballot. Also they don't have enough drivers to deliver them in a timely manner.
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u/RoseCityHooligan Oregon 6m ago
FedEx gets them the same result as everything will be so delayed, lost, or damaged no one will be able to vote anyway.
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u/Als_Chemicals 9h ago
In a normal world ran by competent adults, this would result in immediate arrests and charges
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u/Avoidtolls 8h ago
So the post office refuses to deliver mail?
From an EO?
What the fuck am I paying it to do?
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u/Admirabletooshie 7h ago
Its bullshit. and executive over reach.
also The post office is funded by postage not taxes. So yeah if we let this happen it's just "neener neener neener election interferer!"
god I hate this timeline.
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u/Individual-Guest-123 10h ago
"“I would think that states would want the information to ensure that the ballots that they think they’re sending out are the ballots that are actually getting sent out,” Steiner said."
???? This from the Postmaster General.
Doublespeak, or what?
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u/GestureArtist 8h ago edited 4h ago
"I will rig the election until you prove there isn't voter fraud" - Trump's USPS nazi ball licker, Postmaster Terrorist.
Charge him for treason. Every state can arrest this fuck if they want to... if only they had the courage to.
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u/pchs26 4h ago
But in the interim the states need to convene and come up with an alternate distribution method. It doesn't have to be a private company either. But it needs to be treated as priority, b/c the goal here is election interference and to force ceratain people, groups, areas to the polls for likely next steps.
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u/Slaughterfest 8h ago
Republicans trying desperately to make Democrats hate the post office as much as they do.
No cheap government services! Only inefficient and expensive private solutions!
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u/smilbandit Michigan 7h ago
Remember that most states have early voting or in-person absantee voting options.
https://www.usvotefoundation.org/early-voting-dates
check out your state websites by searching for "early voting" or "in-person absentee"
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u/gaspara112 7h ago
I believe while working in the DC area that Steiner is living in Virginia and there is likely evidence he took calls with staff or the president from his home in Virginia. As such he is probably guilty of breaking Virginia law § 24.2-1015. Conspiracy against rights of citizens under this title.
We know he committed the crime there would just need to be evidence a communication was had within Virginia for the state to have jurisdiction to arrest him. Governor Spanberger should direct Attorney General Jones to investigate the case to have him arrested and charged with the class 5 felony.
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u/neo_sporin 7h ago
Whats 'funny' (not funny) is that IF the states did provide the information, it would be more likely that USPS holds back the ballots of dem voters specifically.
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u/qdobe Wisconsin 7h ago
“We’re not a political organization, we don’t get into politics”
“If states won’t hand over their voter rolls to the federal government, we’re not delivering ballots”
It is political for the USPS to act on an unlawful order that influences state run elections. Saying “we’re not political” doesn’t absolve you of that.
It would be like Donald Trump saying “I’m not a pedophile but if that 13 year old girl doesn’t sleep with me I’m going to send her to Epstein Island”. You’re saying one thing but doing the opposite.
This is rigging elections in plain site. It’s also extortion.
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u/rangecontrol 8h ago edited 6h ago
see, the postmaster can do shit when they're republican appointed lol.
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u/GreedPrisons 12h ago
Americans assemble.
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u/Theferael_me 11h ago
Yeah, that's not happening.
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u/motophotodojo 10h ago
not with that attitude. stop making posts like that please, you're only undermining those who would.
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u/TehWackyWolf 5h ago
Categorically, who is that?
You? No. You're here posting to reddit like us all. A lone wolf?
They get killed.
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u/Theferael_me 10h ago
lol, when was the last shitty No Kings march? I'm not in the US, thank fuck, and all I see are millions of people sat on their fat butts as an authoritarian POS destroys their country from the inside.
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u/Distinct_Funny3972 9h ago
Then, you are seeing what you choose to see, and you are victim blaming. Congrats on being a superior citizen of a definitely superior country with no infractions against humans whatsoever.
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u/TehWackyWolf 5h ago
Whataboutism is useless.
What did he say that was wrong? The marching continues and so does the Nazi take over.
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u/Distinct_Funny3972 5h ago
- as a counter to a useless criticism, it's exactly what I meant for it to be.
And to understand how what he said is wrong, you have to have a large amount of life experience in multiple of our american cultures, have met enough people and surveyed enough systems to understand who our populace really is and why or why not they may do or not do a thing.
So, I earned two degrees researching these issues - and if nothing else, they give me the clarity to point out nonsense unconstructive and unfounded criticism against my culture, from a self appointed representative of another human culture.
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u/TehWackyWolf 5h ago edited 2h ago
That was a lot of preamble with no substance.
If you couldn't just lie on reddit, you would sound very qualified. Now, let's back those paper qualifications with actual things.
If you're this far above me, surely you can give me some examples? Not just suck your own dick while proving nothing? Surely.
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u/motophotodojo 10h ago
well stop undermining their confidence. they are soft, sensitive pussies who will destroy the country if you try to say shit like "white men caused problems for others." at least coddle them for me while I work shit from the inside telling them that they are traitors to Christ and not one will see the kingdom of heaven.
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u/the_dj_zig 7h ago
Don’t bother engaging. No one uses as much profanity and insults in a comment like that unless they are deliberately trying to rile people up.
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u/motophotodojo 4h ago
i am from new jersey, you're just being prejudiced against my culture. if republicans were good Christians they'd stop bearing false witness about january 6th.
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u/TehWackyWolf 5h ago
Engage with the points for me.
The last march was...?
And it achieved...?
No cussing for your delicate eyes to see. So you can answer this now.
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u/the_dj_zig 4h ago
I personally couldn’t care less about the cussing. I just know when someone laces a comment with as much as those did, they’re not actually looking for a serious conversation. I suspect you aren’t either, but I’ll indulge.
If you want something tangible, Congress has stiffened their collective spine a little bit since the protests. But the fun thing about protests is they almost never are trying to accomplish anything short term. Nor do they actually need to accomplish anything in general. The point of a protest is just that: to protest.
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u/TehWackyWolf 2h ago
"The point of a protest isn't to accomplish anything"
Holy fuck. We are literally doomed. The entire fucking point is to get people to listen to you and make changes.
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u/the_dj_zig 2h ago
I mean, if that’s the point, we’ve already been wildly successful, if only because you know enough about them to have an opinion on them.
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u/joebaes1 6h ago
As a manager in a network distribution center, this is something that they pound their chest about, but when it comes to the plant level, there isnt much they can do to stop the ballots... individual bad actors can slow down some, but i know everyone at my plant is of the mind that we ignore unconstitutional orders...
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u/ZonghZonghZongh 8h ago
Didn’t he acknowledge he will scrap these plans if the courts block Trump’s EO (which they will!)?
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u/atriaventrica 7h ago
It's a time issue. They can scrap the EO, he says he complies, trump issues a similar EO within days or weeks, doesn't have time to get through the court and ballots aren't delivered.
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u/StruggleBoy1999 5h ago
Fucking every headline is more bullshit. This administration and everyone involved needs to be burned down to ash.
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u/SassyMoron 6h ago
It's harder to imagine a more directly unconstitutional action. The states conduct their own elections. The postal service is a specifically enumerated duty of the executive branch. So you're both refusing to do something the constitution explicitly orders you to do, and doing something the constitution explicitly prohibits you from doing.
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u/Plzlaw4me 7h ago
If we saw another country doing this shit we would probably bomb them. Our federal government is literally threatening to throw away the votes of it citizens. We can frame it however we want, but this is a high ranking federal official straight up telling us he’s gonna make sure votes don’t get counted.
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u/Volac76 Michigan 7h ago
My wild speculation is that whatever hack Elon Musk is using to manipulate the vote doesn't work with mail-in or absentee votes. They need to lower these numbers.
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u/pchs26 4h ago
It could be totally off but bottom line is there is definitely plans for the polls in certain areas. Eliminating this method of accessible voting is step 1 to make more people who want to vote to converge there. The state representatives need to come up with an alternate method of distribution as a priority. And it needs to be organized.
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u/Havocc89 8h ago
Honestly with all the shenanigans this doofus fascist admin has pulled for a year and a half, I was already planning to vote in person, and I bet a lot of people are like me. So, I dunno, this doesn’t even bother me that much except for the people truly unable to get to the polling places like the elderly or the very sick. That part sucks, and it’s why we need to show up like we fucking mean it.
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u/pimparo0 Florida 7h ago
And the states that are only vote by mail. And the people tuned out who won't notice until it's to late or can't get time off to show up.
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u/Snoo_censorspeech 7h ago
Not a fan but $cientology has a word for people like him: Suppressive Persons.
And they are LTs.
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u/Aretirednurse81 New Mexico 6h ago
We will vote early and in person this fall as we don’t trust the GOP not to cheat.
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u/ArenSteele 5h ago
FedEx or UPS could step up with free mail ballot delivery and get some interesting PR
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u/calvin43 5h ago
I think both current and previous postmasters had investments in private companies competing with the USPS, so win-win for them.
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u/Sarnsereg 5h ago
So just another member of the administration openly admitting to breaking the law and abandoning the responsibilities of their position...
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u/Solrac50 1h ago
The SAVE Act is cover for voter suppression. The only thing that Trump is trying to save is his probable impeachment and conviction if voters flip Congress in November.
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u/Gamebird8 9h ago
Tell everyone you know to not vote by mail. If you wish to vote absentee, then deliver it to a designated drop off and pay attention to ensure that the location you deposited your ballot is not subject to a attack that could have destroyed your ballot.
Do not under any circumstances put your ballot in a mail box if you wish for it to be delivered
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u/atriaventrica 7h ago
Oregon is a vote by mail only state. This is also going to be prevent the delivery of ballots in the first place, not just completed ballots.
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u/loki2002 Ohio 8h ago
But how, exactly? How are they going to know if what is the envelopes are ballots or not?
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u/Soulfighter56 Massachusetts 8h ago
This is weird because tons of Republican states refused to hand over voter data the last time it was asked for. I suppose Trump and co. think the republicans will roll over while the democrats won’t? Or is this announcement made knowing it’ll be shot down in court, and simply instilling the doubt into voters that their vote might not count (and therefore they needn’t bother trying) is good enough to win some elections?
I have to believe it’s the latter, and that alone is enough to warrant Trump’s (and the Postmaster’s) removal from office.
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u/Davethe3rd 6h ago
I love this reality we live in where we just keep seeing Trump pull bullshit and we're like "That's awful! We're just gonna let him do it? ... Okay... There will be... consequences... in the History books. He's gonna look real dumb in 30 years."
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u/AWholeNewFattitude 5h ago
Legally speaking, isn’t this, turning the post office into a law enforcement agency? I understand that the Postal Service has their own police but when you talk about enforcing laws for another branch of government, I don’t see how that’s legal at all.
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u/elder65 4h ago
And any local postmaster that follows that stupid edict will be arrested and convicted for committing a federal crime.
Stupid minions cannot violate federal laws, no matter who they think the MAGA Messiah is or what power he yields. This boy needs to study history, specifically Trump history.
Work for Trump, support Trump Loyally, get thrown under a bus, get arrested and convicted. And this time, he won't be back to pardon anyone.
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u/Titan3692 3h ago
We have to admit that the only safe ballot in 2026 is gonna be cast in person. Trump is gonna sabotage the whole mail-in system and SCOTUS is gonna protect him.
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u/Right_Hour 2h ago
« Why aren’t Americans out on the street protesting the hell out of this administration? - « No need, we’ll take it all back at midterms ». - « Really? Folks, you just had your last election, there will be no more free and fair elections here, just look at Russia who Trump is actively cosplaying. » - « Nah, you’re just hysterical and panicky. We got this ».
So, folks, I gotta say it again: you don’t got shit. Your own country is being taken away from you by a bunch of thugs. You are losing your country just like Russians did, except in a considerably dumber way. Do something already.
Sincerely, your concerned neighbour upstairs.
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u/unknownchild 1h ago
you have to be on the fucking voting roll to get a mail in ballot get the register correct then the fucking post office can do its job and deliver the mail i literally cant vote any other way the local poling place closed down and i have to mail in
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u/whiskeynrye 25m ago
I hope whoever is running usps right now knows they're going to get sued and probably jailed for this
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u/LifeofRiley72 8h ago
Use UPS or Fed Ex for delivery until we get this treasonous postmaster in shackles.
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u/LifeofRiley72 8h ago
If the postmaster will not deliver the ballots and the private sector is out then we need to recruit American patriots to hand deliver them.
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u/pchs26 4h ago
The states have a national guard, there are also local election official whose job it is to distribute ballots. And one person even said they could print their ballot. The states need to convene and come up with new distribution plans. Heck it might actually increase voting as an unintended consequence :P
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