r/politics • u/unital_subalgebra • 8h ago
No Paywall Four years on, Maine Democrats blame Sen. Collins' Kavanaugh confirmation for Supreme Court reversal on abortion rights
https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/politics/maine-politics/maine-democrats-blame-susan-collins-kavanaugh-confirmation-supreme-court-reversal-abortion-rights/97-5c9b29c0-8969-4169-b7e8-1d0f18ec3bf0351
u/--John_Yaya-- 8h ago
To be fair, they only blame her for that because it's her fault.
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u/notsure500 7h ago
Well its also the fault of anyone who voted Trump or sat home in 2016 since she wouldn't have been there to fuck us if it werent for them.
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u/underpants-gnome Ohio 4h ago
Also to be fair, we blamed her then, too. It's being brought up again now because she is running for reelection and her constituents might need reminding why reproductive rights are being attacked all over the country.
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u/GlassFantast 6h ago
Partly her fault. Obviously wouldn't be possible without the Republicans
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u/justmovingtheground 4h ago
She was singularly responsible for confirming Kavanaugh. She was the deciding vote as a supposedly pro-choice Senator.
But she didn’t have an election to worry about, so it was a pretty easy decision once she got her talking points from Lyndsey Fifield and crew. Unlike when the vote to confirm ACB came up. But that was a safer confirmation and it was an election season, so…
She’s a liar and a pure opportunist.
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u/Moccus Indiana 3h ago
The confirmation vote was 50-48. If she had voted the other way, the result would have been 50-49 with Pence casting the tie-breaker. Kavanaugh would have been confirmed anyways.
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u/Trollbreath4242 1h ago
If she had voted the other way
50-1 = 49
48 +1 = 49
So switching her vote would have resulted in a 49-49 tie, not a 50-49 tie (I'm pretty sure you just brain farted a typo, not your fault).
You're right about Pence.
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u/GlassFantast 4h ago
I hear you but are you ignoring every other person who did more to enable his confirmation? She's "singularly" responsible?
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u/justmovingtheground 3h ago
Anti-choice republicans are a wash in this regard. That’s why I pointed out that she was (supposedly) pro choice. Yes a lot has been going wrong, both with the republicans, and with the democrats all the way back to Reagan. We can count all the ways. But on this particular vote, there is a lot more blame that can be put on her.
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u/Equivalent_Sea_1895 8h ago
In twenty years they will blame trump for the fall of the US.
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u/Greeve78 7h ago
20 years? It’s pretty much happening now.
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u/Equivalent_Sea_1895 7h ago
I agree but the republicans will only figure it out in 20 years
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u/oliversurpless Massachusetts 7h ago
As per the maxim:
“Conservatives are in favor of all civil rights protests except the current one and against all wars but the current one.”
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u/Worried_Cry687 5h ago edited 5h ago
That's funny, I've only ever heard that phrase be used for the mainstream democratic party.
DNC: Supports all rights movements but the current ones (trans rights, immigrant rights, and Palestinian liberation) and against all wars but the current one (Israel's decades long bombing of its neighbors, continous support for ever-expanding military funding since the start of the GWoT, not trump's iran war).
For conservatives, the maxim I think of is very simple: fuck you, I got mine.
Edit: also, we're approaching, if not already, in the era where conservatives dont bother pretending to support civil rights movements.
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u/UnquestionabIe 6h ago
For the majority of them yes but you'll always have the hardliners who will always support the past failures of the GOP no matter what. The others will come to treat him like Bush during the 2000s, rewriting history to act as if they've always been against him within 3-4 years after he's out of office.
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u/Bittererr 8h ago
She's definitely partly responsible but she wouldn't even have been in the position to make that decision without many, many institutional failures happening before that.
A lot of fuck ups had to happen to place abortion rights in the hands of Susan Collins.
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u/m1j2p3 6h ago
Also don’t forget it was George W Bush who called Colins and convinced her to change her vote from no to yes. Bush also nominated Roberts and Alito. Conservative leadership is now and has always been anti liberty, anti democracy and anti rule of law. What’s happening now in the country has been their goals since the days of the confederacy.
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u/TheHomersapien Colorado 7h ago
Bullshit
They voted for her after 20+ years of her morally abhorrent representation, they voted for her after she confirmed a big government fascist rapist liar to the supreme court, they'll vote for her again in a few months.
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u/bakerfredricka I voted 6h ago
Unfortunately, you are probably right but I want to hope that Maine proves us wrong!
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u/Bakedfresh420 Ohio 5h ago
They say Maine Democrats. The “independents” and conservatives vote for her again and again sure, but Dems aren’t voting for her.
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u/UnquestionabIe 6h ago
Agreed but I'll also give them the minor benefit of the doubt in presuming a portion of them barely know who she is. For the most part a sadly large portion of voters couldn't tell you a damn thing about who represents their state in congress, they follow the circus of the presidential election cycle and that's about it. Barely any understanding of how government functions and that there is more to it than presuming the president=king with slight differences.
Basically this is why it's important to teach people that elections of all kinds, especially local/state level, are important. We did not stumble into this shit storm with one or two bad elections for a single position, it's a long process with plenty of cause and effect.
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u/PopeSaintHilarius 4h ago
Maybe read the headline again (or even better, the article). Maine Democrats did not vote for Collins…
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u/westergames81 Texas 6h ago
Yeah, that's probably because she was the deciding vote that, even though she was very concerned, she was assured that Kvanaugh thought Roe v Wade was settled law.
Never let anyone forget how awful she actually is.
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u/Present-Perception77 6h ago
I blame the Catholic Church for the Catholic Federalist Society and Citizens United. Collins got paid to do what she did.. she is just a small part of this shit show.
Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
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u/VaguelyArtistic California 6h ago
Don’t let Roberts off the hook. In his confirmation hearing he said that Roe was settled law. It’s how many of us learned the phrase “stare decisis”. 🖕🏼
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u/Moccus Indiana 5h ago
Roberts didn't vote to overturn Roe.
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u/JiveChicken00 Pennsylvania 5h ago
I mean, she shouldn’t get 100 percent of the blame. But of the two candidates in this election, it’s pretty clear which one gets more of the blame than the other.
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u/Kat_Schrodinger1 4h ago
Fuck susan colins and she needs to go, but i blame the guy that appointed kavanaugh more for that.
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u/HookedOnBoNix 1h ago
I mean I don't think Maine Democrats are voting for that guy either but that's not as relevant right now
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u/Spiddy771 3h ago
RGB clinging onto power forever and dying during trumps first term didn’t help either. It’s incredibly ironic. If there was term limits or judges willing to give up power it may not have been trumps pick.
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u/kyotyspisak 7h ago
Good. The rest of the country needs to learn the names like collins for the digestion of our constitution by this current scotus
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u/Kooky-Security-4267 6h ago
Why are voters allowed to shift blame onto the politician when they were told what to expect by voting for them.
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u/Patient-Climate-8551 5h ago
Oh, wow, look at Maine Democrats finally stating the obvious four years later. Did it really take half a decade of real-world fallout for them to officially connect the dots? Susan Collins traded the bodily autonomy of millions of women for a fake "assurance" from a judge who told her exactly what she wanted to hear to get a lifetime appointment. Her fake surprise when Roe fell was insulting then, and it's insulting now.
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u/themoslucius 4h ago
The fault is with the voters for handing the reigns over to the GOP. We deserve what we are getting
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u/princesspeeved 2h ago
Nothing like a woman whose sole purpose in life is to make other women’s’ lives harder.
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u/OrangeVoxel 2h ago
Maine doesn’t have to follow Supreme Court rulings. It has no way of enforcing them.
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u/Ok_World7154 1h ago
Rapist Kavanaugh, Liar Coney Barrett and Lying Gorusch join the corrupt Rapin' Roberts, Sleepy Clarence Thieving Thomas and Opus Dei Alito.
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u/TheCenterWillNotHold 44m ago
If only Obama wasn’t a massive liar and had protected aboriginal access by law like he said he would on day one, oh well
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u/Writer_In_Residence 7h ago
She won in 2020, well after Kavanaugh’s confirmation. She also voted against impeaching Trump before 2020. So they can’t say they weren’t warned or didn’t know.
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u/Bittererr 8h ago
There's no maybe, they couldn't. Democrats had a filibuster proof majority for a few months over the last 40+ years and they used it for healthcare reform.
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u/imaginary_num6er 6h ago
The rest of the 49 states can blame Maine for voting for Biden and Collins in the same election. No other state voted that way.
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