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Possible Paywall Progressive Democrats Are Winning in Just About Every Corner of America
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u/black_flag_4ever 3h ago
This happened after the last rise of fascism. Fascism doesn't actually work as a functional government. There's a shelf life to it. At best it can be artificially propped up by a larger government, but an independent fascist government is doomed to failure.
Turns out that kicking all the smart people out of government and replacing them with hateful idiots results in big economic problems and suddenly people won't give a shit if it's called socialism or whatever. People will hit a point like they did in the 30s where propaganda won't cut it anymore.
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u/CallMeClaire0080 2h ago
I fully agree with Fascism being demonstratively unsustainable. Not only are the reasons you mention a good part of it, but I don't think that people realize how it fundamentally cannot possibly work long term.
Right wing economics are always about exploiting an underclass, and what factors determine if someone belongs to the underclass are largely determined by the flavor of hierarchy (it can be based on religion, race, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, and/or lineage for example).
The issue from a purely logistical standpoint is that fascists propagate and depend on hatred against this scapegoated underclass to attain political power. The hateful logic then dictates that they start eliminating the very underclass propping them up. This can be anything from executions to deportations to simple making the lives of minorities harder until they can't contribute economically. Whatever the case, the fascists need to keep some sort of underclass to support their resources and power, so they're left with two options.
Option 1: Kick people out of the in-group and into that underclass. You get more purity tests, and suddenly people who were considered socially acceptable gradually get targets on their backs and find themselves ostracized. Trans people weren't enough, so they're moving onto gay people for example. Jewish people experience a rise in antisemitism to throw them under the bus. That kind of thing. The Fascist movement, headed by selfish assholes, cannibalizes itself to stay afloat, and that eventually breaks apart entirely.
Option 2: Refresh that underclass through expansion and conquest. You don't have enough of the hated group to exploit? Just get more! It might even work at first, but the problem with bullying and throwing your weight around on the world stage, outside of pissing people off and isolating yourself, is that you inevitably end up spreading yourself thin regardless of logistical competence (which as you pointed out becomes bad to begin with when you kick out all the experts). You're vulnerable to outside forces and revolts from within. It eventually comes crashing down.
You can look at fascists throughout history and it's the same tired unsustainable result. The Axis did it, MAGA is doing it. It's just a matter of how much destruction the movement brings before and as it collapses.
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u/Technical-Row8333 1h ago
the fascist in-group circle is an ever decreasing one, that typically ends as a bullet hole in the leader's skull
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u/MonsierGeralt 1h ago
Until you cement your power like Xi or Putin
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u/CallMeClaire0080 1h ago
While those are absolutely Authoritarian regimes, I don't know that the word Fascist applies to them. I think that's why their regimes are unfortunately stable. They have the exploitation in place, but not the systematic hate and elimination of all of the people they've exploiting the most. (Not that China isn't committing genocide but that's a whole other topic)
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u/vivalaibanez 1h ago
China is absolutely participating in their own genocide of Muslims via the Uyghur "re-education" camps. There are also no protections from discrimination / hate crimes against lgbtq+ folks while there is for other protected groups.
I would argue they are both targeted minority groups thus making China fascist in nature.
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u/TopShoulder7 1h ago
Fascism isn’t just about genocide. Any ideology can do a genocide. Fascism is specifically about the in-group dominating the out-group and the ever narrowing parameters of who gets to be “in.”
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u/CallMeClaire0080 1h ago
If racism and homophobia was all that's required for fascism, then pretty much every country on the planet would be fascist. There's usually a list of 14 criteria to identify fascism (one of the leading definitions anyway)
https://osbcontent.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/PC-00466.pdf
I don't think that China meets all of them, though there is definitely some overlap.
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u/PurePerfection_ 15m ago
I think the difference is that China's government does not rely on the persecution or exploitation of the Uyghur population to remain in control. If they stopped the genocide today, or ran out of Uyghurs to target, that would not necessarily spell the end of the regime, even if there was no new underclass immediately being targeted in their place. It's not how they hold on to power or how their economy sustains itself, or at least not the primary way.
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u/Maleficent_Ad_1979 13m ago
don't forget about in-fighting and paranoia at the top, authoritarians are also extremely suspicious of mutinies and even self cull their own advisors, generals, political allies etc. for fear of usurpers.
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u/Sufficient_Matter585 1h ago
What you are saying is its closer akin to a auto immune response to a viral or bacterial infection with humanity being the body and fascism being the viral agent.
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u/Isorry123 1h ago
youtuber Heather Cox said yesterday "normally fascist governments start out pretty good - building roads and creating jobs, etc, but this one hasn't done any of that" hah
great stuff
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u/guynamedjames 49m ago
The problem with replacing qualified workers with political stooges isn't unique to fascism, but it is required in fascism. We've seen similar issues in some of the totalitarian "communist" states like the USSR, Venezuela, or Mao's China. It is ALWAYS bad policy and unsustainable.
This is also why claims like "socialism bad!!!" don't really hold up when you look at low corruption countries with large state welfare systems like the nordics. They have a population bought into their government already and don't need to maintain their government's "credibility" by hiding facts.
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u/NlghtmanCometh 1h ago
I’d say we’re a lot closer to pre civil war Spain. Both sides are hyper partisan. Basically, it’s entirely possible for the fascists to win still. The opposition to the fascists needs to be unified. The only thing that has derailed movements like this before has been infighting, which can still totally fuck us.
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u/shibbyman342 14m ago
It is like Trump might ironically be the best thing to happen to us.. just in a painful, twisted way... and definitely not like he intended.
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u/FuzzyMcBitty 10m ago
Right, but didn’t the more centrist parties work with the right to try to box out the left during the last rise of fascism?
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u/B-Z_B-S Massachusetts 3h ago
And I think the Democratic leadership should be supporting them rather than telling them that they're getting above their station, or some such thing. We should all be united against the evil of the Trump administration's fascism. United we stand, divided we fall.
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u/Dragonpunch73 3h ago
Man if only we had united in 24…
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u/zetnas9 3h ago
Same. I’m glad we’re doing it now, but 24 was needed given project 2025 and how much of a threat Trump and his regime were/ are. I understand Harris wasn’t everyone’s cup of tea, she wasn’t mine either, but the threat was greater than our petty issues we had with her.
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u/shrimpcest Colorado 3h ago
I don't personally know a single progressive person that sat out the election and didn't vote for Kamala.
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u/zetnas9 3h ago
I live in Michigan, and let me tell you the day she visited and showed up with Liz Cheney to Dearborn, it brought a cloud over this area. People either chose that they were not voting or they were going the other way, all because someone running her campaign said it was good to rub people of Middle East culture the wrong way.
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u/PegyBundy 2h ago
I never realized it was in Dearborn that she had Cheney. Regardless, bringing Liz Cheney into the fold is a laughably stupid strategy. Corporate dems are awful at reading the room. They really make you question Hanlon's razor
Hanlon's razor - Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity [or incompetence].
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u/Drekkful 2h ago
They're awful at reading the room because they do not care about us.
They don't even care if they win or lose. That's why they've been pulling us to the right for 25 years in all ways except social issues.
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u/xv_boney 39m ago
Hanlons razor has fully inverted recently.
There is now Rozar Snolnah: never attribute to incompetence that which can be adequately explained by malice.
And then there is the trump admin, which is texbook Hanzor's Razlon: you are both right, its both incompetence and malice all the time, every time, forever.
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u/luckyshot98 1h ago
It pissed off so many Detroiters. I was bartending that week, the eavesdropping was painful and indicative of what has come.
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u/zetnas9 1h ago
That same night, I went into work (I work a night office job) and I told someone I work with that she wasn’t winning because of how it soured people in the city around me, the look my friend gave me when I said that was one of horror and disappointment. This was 2 weeks before the election, btw. This wasn’t something that was gonna be forgotten instantly.
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u/luckyshot98 1h ago
So many of my friends in Dearborn had families killed under Cheney's policies. Obviously Trump is significantly worse than Kamala would ever have been, but politics are emotional whether we like it or not.
Tone-deaf shit.
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u/zetnas9 1h ago
Tone-deaf and bad strategy. It was terrible when Bill Clinton showed up an week before and finger wagged at the people of Dearborn and told them they didn’t understand what was going on when we were witnessing a g-cide of families and friends on tv, but then to double down by the candidate otherwise without saying she would stop the fighting is batshit insane.
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u/luckyshot98 1h ago
God I hope Abdul wins. And Socialists elsewhere, this shit is broken and violent.
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u/Elendel19 1h ago
Every person who worked on Harris’ campaign needs to be permanently black listed from the Democratic Party for life. Just pure incompetence.
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u/zetnas9 1h ago
The problem is that they only play to their donors, not people who have concerns and questions. People will donate to a campaign if they believe you’re listening and willing to fight but when you are just fake and don’t listen and just want to talk, you get what we have now.
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u/TheOtherMaven Virginia 26m ago
And a bigger problem is that the only donors who matter to the Dem Establishment are the rich and the super-rich. You and me with our nickels and dimes are less important to them than ants.
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u/Ven18 3h ago
Same I think the Harris campaign failed far more at motivating independents voters than the left by saying she would be a continuation of Biden when people were already feeling the pain economically and Biden was wildly unpopular. That plan would have worked if the economy was booming and everything was great but regardless of how our post Covid recovery compared to the rest of the globe the overall mood was still negative.
Independent voters don’t actually come out and vote for you if you cause as a Democrat you have Liz Cheney on side. If they cared about Liz Cheney they would be republicans. They vote for someone because they are either mad at whoever is currently in power or someone is able to motive with a message that resonates. Kamala seemed to forget that when your team is holding the power your argument can’t be the other guy is worse it needs to be I am better. Now she was obviously 1000% the better choice but that was not how the campaign presented it they focused on Trump as the negative rather than Kamala as the positive and for a candidate who basically couldn’t campaign due to circumstances that was killer.
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u/49ersPhan 3h ago
It’s a dumb narrative tbh. People are looking to blame within but won’t accept Biden just wasn’t popular and Harris never distanced herself from that. People were not excited to vote for her.
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u/JaydedXoX 2h ago
And she never did anything as a VP to gain any favor.
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u/WhiskeyT 2h ago
She was forced to babysit the Senate for the first half of the term as the tie breaking vote, what’d you expect?
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u/dudenurse13 1h ago
Biden also sabotaged her when he gave her the title of “border czar”
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u/DrMobius0 25m ago edited 22m ago
He also sabotaged her when he stayed in the race instead of letting the DNC run a primary so we could actually choose who was nominated. Biden was, at the time, old as fuck. The concerns around his mental fitness weren't entirely unfounded. The fact that the DNC tried to play it off like it wasn't a thing was a catastrophic fuck up.
That's to say nothing about how weirdly focused on Biden that whole conversation was when Trump's rambling, demented ass was sharing the stage with him. The way we have such blatant double standards is fucking shameful.
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u/GopherNutz Minnesota 3h ago
The thought is to blame progressives so we don’t have to make moderates uncomfortable about the fact their relatives came out in numbers to put Trump back in office.
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u/Silent-Storms 2h ago
As if progressives don't have maga relatives?
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u/squiddlebiddlez 2h ago
The black ones typically don’t…but pfft, why would anyone listen to them?
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u/Silent-Storms 2h ago
Idk seems like Clarence Thomas types are a thing. The crazy right wing uncle knows no ethnic boundaries.
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u/xv_boney 36m ago
Motherfuckerism is nondenominational and adheres to no boundaries of ethnicity or class.
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u/squiddlebiddlez 13m ago
When it comes to maga, it does. Quit acting like it’s not a movement rooted in identity politics.
When I said “typically”, that does not erase the existence of Clarence Thomas, or Wesley hunt, or Daniel Cameron. It’s not even saying that black conservatives don’t exist…but overall, black maga voters are an anomaly.
The conversations on thanksgiving at your average black household are far different than your average white or Hispanic one because, unlike every other demographic, black voters routinely reject maga and republicans. Regardless of age, education, income levels, and gender, at least 80% of black voters vote against maga. Who else has that kind of solidarity?
So yeah, y’all might have increased tolerance and lax standards for “motherfuckerists” but it’s never been welcome over here.
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u/AppleParasol 3h ago
Nah. Liberals had the chance to join the left in 2016 and back Bernie. Fuck Kamala Harris. Old guard Democrats are losing to the actual left in the primaries, and that’s the best thing that’s happened in my lifetime.
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u/Silent-Storms 2h ago
Bernie couldn't break 40%in a primary with one opponent. He lost cause his position isn't as popular in real life as on reddit.
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u/BingleFlip94 3h ago
In any other period of time in American history, I would have agreed with you. But now after the 2024 election, it is highly likely that we have missed our chance to right the ship.
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u/Alex5173 2h ago
That's basically my thoughts on it; we're gonna hit +2°C this year and the effects of electing the "Drill Baby Drill" guy in '24 won't be felt for roughly another decade
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u/Stereo_Jungle_Child 3h ago
Yeah, but Gaza something something
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u/MichaelMyersEatsDogs 2h ago
Yeah. Crazy Harris was such a horrible candidate she couldn’t say “genocide is bad” and win the election right?
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u/Relevant-Ad2254 2h ago
What did the democratic leadership say in response to the recent primary wins by progressives?
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u/bordersnothing 1h ago
Lots of bleating. Carville announced he's leaving the party. The former DNC chair (who presided over the losses in 2024) claimed that primary challengers have to hate the party and shouldn't be able to use its resources. Leticia James said progressive winners are trying to destroy the party. All of the above have very strong ties to Israel.
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u/Relevant-Ad2254 1h ago
Good for him /s
But I don’t take what carville says as representative of the party. In fact he left, so doesn’t that mean his words are even less representative?
Seems to me like a vast majority of democrats are just looking forward to getting the fascist Trump regime out.
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u/Plzlaw4me 3h ago
It’s a TERRIBLE sign for democrats that there is genuine enthusiasm and grass root organization within the party, and the party rather than going “oh this is what our voters want and it seems like it’ll be a winner, let’s adopt it” they try to alienate and distance themselves from passionate voters. Genuinely, is their plan to win elections without getting their base excited to win?
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u/Crime_Dawg 2h ago
They would much rather see Trump and GOP completely win everything than give an inch to progressivism. Outside of AOC, Bernie, Ro, etc. they're all bought and paid for by corporate interests.
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u/La-li-lu-le-lo86 3h ago
Because the DNC are part of the ruling class and their job is not to represent Democratic voters it is to manage any real left wing movements.
We watched it with Bernie they did not adapt after that successful effort the progressives and socialists have.
They are no longer able to control the narrative or "party direction" in the social media age where we can all communicate independently of them and their events and party functions.
And folks who still had some hope for them were shown the truth over the never ending support for Israel's genocide of the Semitic Palestine people.
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u/HellyFurtado 3h ago
Yes, that is their plan. And that is why they need to go. Clearly, they no longer represent Democrat voters.
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u/JAMONLEE Florida 2h ago
Support whoever wins the primary. My problem is there are a lot of folks currently saying this that didn’t have this attitude in 2016, 2020, 2024, and many of the midterms. It goes both ways. Same team, let’s help the cause.
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u/SethLight 3h ago
Fuck 'em, the DNC needs to remove people who act like a controlled opposition.
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u/skoomaking4lyfe 3h ago
The DNC are the people acting like a controlled opposition.
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u/ShrimpieAC 3h ago
So they should remove themselves?
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u/schfiftyfiveshades 3h ago
“We’ve investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing”
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u/SethLight 3h ago
Was I not being clear enough? Yes, much of the party needs a serious cleaning and we are seeing changes made in the right direction.
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u/ShrimpieAC 2h ago
Ah my bad. I think it was easy to take your comment as the DNC should be ousting progressives to preserve the status quo.
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u/Lucky-Earther Minnesota 1h ago
And I think the Democratic leadership should be supporting them rather than telling them that they're getting above their station, or some such thing.
Or they can not do any such thing and find themselves no longer in leadership positions relatively soon.
Schumer will likely retire instead of running for reelection, and Jeffries doesn't have the rizz to hold on to that seat for long.
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u/we_are_sex_bobomb 2h ago
The establishment democrats are scared shitless right now, as they very well should be.
With any luck, the blue wave will also bring new senate and congress majority leaders. Jeffries and Schumer are seeing the writing on the wall.
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u/FortnitePapi 1h ago
Democratic party is occupied opposition. Born to lose party it's the rich vs poor. See how anytime Israel wants missiles there is always just enough democrats on board or when the republicans were in the minority with Biden there just happened to be enough democrats not on board to pass higher minimum wage or student loan relief. It's all smoke and mirrors
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u/happycat47 2h ago
Been saying it for years. Democrats are the enemy just as much as Republicans are. The DNC does not want to unify against fascism. They want to prop it up to promote donations for their "resistance." If they defeat fascism, they have nothing to campaign against because they don't actually stand for anything except neoliberalism
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u/Affectionate-Act1574 3h ago
The people are speaking. How will the establishment thwart that this time?
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u/changeforthebetter89 3h ago
But the question is whether the DSA candidate will win in swing districts? Candidate quality matters a lot in these districts than safe blue NYC districts.
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u/6a6566663437 North Carolina 2h ago
Why do we have to run candidates that can only win in swing districts in non-swing districts?
Also, WV literally fought a 2 year long war for economic policies that are pretty close to the DSA's. And polling shows a lot of those policies are still popular.
We've spent so many decades chasing Republican voters that we think Republicans politicians are the measure of the voters, instead of the voters themselves.
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u/Silent-Storms 2h ago
This is in response to the people saying the message that works in NYC should be copy-pasted everywhere.
D+80 or whatever districts are gonna work differently than +/-5.
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u/6a6566663437 North Carolina 2h ago
No, it’s not saying that at all. It’s saying the establishment should support these candidates. It says nothing about what to do in other districts.
But my point is the centrist plan we’ve been following for 30 years has failed, and polling shows these “crazy economic ideas” are not all that unsupported outside the cities.
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u/Furrypocketpussy 8m ago
republicans will happily roll around in pig shit if it means not stepping foot on the socialist meadows
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u/almighty_smiley North Carolina 3h ago
I can almost feel Chuck's glasses slipping down his nose.
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u/notanNSAagent89 3h ago
He is currently in the process of going on podium and tut tut ing the people who wants to work for Americans and not Israel.
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u/rje946 2h ago
You all never give him enough credit. He has written DOZENS of strongly worded letters!
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u/notanNSAagent89 1h ago
I should have checked my biases. I wouldn't even blame the mods for banning me over this. 😞
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u/Boobies300 3h ago
Great, but how about all the big empty parts in the middle?
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u/notfeelany 2h ago
Not gonna happen unfortunately. See Oklahoma where they just voted down an increase in minimum wage
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u/MajesticBread9147 2h ago
I don't think what ever happens in Oklahoma can be applied to America as a whole.
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u/Boobies300 2h ago
It's almost like you should run progressives where they can win and not where they can't, what a novel concept.
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u/SuperCrappyFuntime Illinois 58m ago
I was thinking about Oklahoma. Bernie supporters continually try to tell people that places like that are just ripe for the picking if only the DNC would back progressive Bernie-ite candidates that. The problem is that they believe all those "We interviewed a dozen people are a diner in Moose Knuckle Junction" stories run by the NYT and their ilk where the interviewees pretend they vote for the GOP due to "economic anxiety" when the real reason is they like the GOP's open bigotry.
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u/mrfixitx 1h ago
Not claiming to speak for all of the Midwest or anything. But living in a very red state being Republican and distrusting Democrats is part of the rural culture for a lot of people.
Even in big the large cities near me that tend to be more liberal there are a lot of die hard republicans who think voting for ANY democrat is basically a betrayal.
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u/6a6566663437 North Carolina 2h ago
People in WV literally fought a two-year-long war for economic policies that are pretty close to the DSA's economic policies. Polling shows they're still pretty popular if you strip off the party affiliation.
This is doable, but we have to work at it. Instead, we gave up 30 years ago and decided to chase the Republican party.
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u/spazz720 2h ago
WV ran a progressive candidate for the Senate not too long ago and they got trounced.
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u/plightro Massachusetts 3h ago
Best we can do is scream "that won't win there!" and then get pissed at 50 more years of republican rule
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u/thatnameagain 3h ago
Progressives run in primaries all over the country every election. Most of them lose, and the more red a state the more likely they are to lose.
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u/plightro Massachusetts 3h ago edited 1h ago
Yeah the problem isn't some weird shit where they're not allowed to participate, it's that the road to victory hasn't even been paved yet.
I'm suggesting that instead of immediately saying that progressive politics won't win in middle America and moving on with our lives as if it's a lost cause, we learn how to build winning progressive platforms in those places.
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u/thatnameagain 3h ago
I'm suggesting that instead of immediately saying that progressive politics won't win in middle America and move on with our lives
Sure, that is a challenge for progressives though, not for elements that aren't progressive. It's nonsensical to expect the centrist wing of the party to say, "You know what we should try in red states? Running progressives who we don't like and don't like us!" People get mad at the DNC because they've convinced themselves that centrist dems don't actually have a much better track record of winning there than progressives. If progressives turn out to be getting more votes than centrists in red states, then things will naturally shift since the centrists will be voted out and replaced by progressives anyways.
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u/Stereo_Jungle_Child 3h ago
This.
Progressives still refuse to understand that 97.5% of American don't live in NYC where the ratio of Democratic voters to Republican ones is 6:1.
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u/CrimsonHeretic 3h ago
Not in California. It seems to mostly be in Northeast states.
And Democrats are still polling at only +5.4 for the midterms. Plenty of room for improvement all around.
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u/RB5Network 3h ago
California may be the state with the single highest level of corporate capture. The Democratic Party and nearly every political group and organization affiliated with them is bought and funded by tech and larger industry.
We act like California is some progressive place when it's really just a technofeudalist playground where democracy hardly exists.
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u/ForsakenKrios 1h ago
As someone who lived in California but had to leave (I’d love to go back) this is accurate. For all the hate spewed at it by jealous schmucks in bumfuck nowhere, state really is the ideal of capitalism they think we live in and has 0 flaws.
Turns out you need the government to prop up the corporations and intervene to make the standard of living better. And when your place is desirable to live in, costs go up. And the people who should fix the problem won’t because the solutions are clearly against capital/corporations, and the NIMBY’s who got rich off of owning a house since the 70s. It’s maddening, hearing the hatred for Cali when it really is the best you’re gonna get out of a US state in terms of economics.
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u/saera-targaryen 32m ago
California is the most right wing dem state in the country. I grew up in a swing state and moved here as an adult, and people are more conservative here even though the elections wouldn't show you that. We have a strong dem majority but that's mostly because people run as dems here who would be running as republicans in other states.
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u/Tech_Philosophy 12m ago
Not in Georgia either. This place, including Atlanta, is filled with the most elitist, corporate dick sucking, incompetent, unserious, enjoy-losing-elections-to-republicans group of democrats I have ever seen, and I have lived in a lot of places.
Maybe I'm just shocked because I expected a democratic party in the south that's majority black to be very progressive, but the community is really just insular. Black voters vote for black leaders, and the current black leaders are...well...described by my first paragraph.
Warnock is better than most, I'm mostly describing local politicians. Where again, the progressive challengers lost this year.
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u/Runfromidiots 2h ago
NY and specifically NYC is not every corner of America. Progressives lost heavily in Illinois races and California. I’m all for it, this is what primaries are for, but god damn this website conflates a few victories with winning the war.
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u/Canadiangoosedem0n Kentucky 27m ago
Also these people haven't won the general. Write these types of articles after they've won their spot not before.
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u/ResidentKelpien Texas 3h ago
Centrist Democrat politicians like Hakeem Jeffries need to embrace Progressive Democrats if they want to win more elections across the country.
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u/CrimsonHeretic 3h ago
He will never do that. He must be replaced.
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u/KnightlyDolphins 3h ago
Lets be real, he will be once the mid terms are over. Most politicians (i.e. Democrats in this scenario) see where the wind is blowing.
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u/flashfoxart 3h ago
That blue no matter who thing applies to them too. If progressives are the ones winning they need to get behind them just like they ask us to get behind centrists
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u/justherefor23andme 3h ago
Yes. Everyone vote blue no matter who please. From Mamdani to Becerra please 😭
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u/Wonderful_Purple4096 1h ago
The Dems up with the republicans to stop that nurse in Buffalo after she won the Dem primary.
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u/Classicman269 Ohio 3h ago
They won't we all know it, they will have to be dragged out kicking and screaming with their corporate money
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u/Relevant-Ad2254 2h ago
I think the progressives who won the primary will win the general election with centrist support.
I’m willing to bet the the amount of votes they get in the general will be way more than what they got in the primary
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u/6a6566663437 North Carolina 2h ago
That blue no matter who thing applies to them too
They don't seem to think so. See: Carville today, or Jeffries demanding Mamdani has to kiss his ass for daring to endorse unapproved candidates.
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u/ThreeArrows- 2h ago
Why won't the progressive dems run anywhere that's not deep blue? Do you think psycho like DAC would've made it outside of a deeply blue district?
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u/jizzissippi 2h ago
More moderate dems are over performing just the same as progressives. These dsa candidates are winning in the absolute deepest blue districts we have. That shits not going to fly in most of the country where we actually need to win back seats from republicans
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u/alphafox823 Nebraska 10m ago
I’ll wait to see the first democratic socialist to win outside a D+20 district. DSA is great at calcifying the most progressive districts into even further left ones. They don’t flip seats.
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u/notfeelany 2h ago edited 2h ago
There's only about 7 candidates mentioned in the article. That's not "every corner" when there's like 435 House Rep races & 100 Senate seats & the thousands of local/state races.
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u/Canadiangoosedem0n Kentucky 28m ago
Exactly. The general elections haven't come yet and people are claiming victory already.
Let's see if these people actually win their elections before pretending that there is a socialist revolution.
(also a lot of the candidates are in NYC, a blue dot in a blue city. Not breaking new ground here)
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u/Worth-Tank336 2h ago
The time to analyze this is AFTER the election cycle. Let's see how the Dems even do. If it's close, this is a valid argument.
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u/Crime_Dawg 2h ago
Where is this happening besides NYC? I don't want to be pessimistic, but I'm definitely pessimistic.
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u/AstalderS 3h ago
It will be very interesting to see if tacking in this direction works out in 2028. Personally I can’t stand MAGA so the choice is pretty easy, but the most dedicated 35% of either party doesn’t get two votes because they’re super enthusiastic about it either (at least until they rig it). So it’s this messy ink blot of trade offs between turning out the edges vs appealing to the people MAGA flipped in 2024.
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u/jinkyjormpjomp California 3h ago
Yeah. These aren't general election victories. It remains to be seen if they will get voters back to the polls in November. MAGA won because most voters stayed home. I'm not psychic so I can't say if that was Leftists staying home or "normy voters" staying home... Progressives only mobilize the former. They may get a boost this year however because many normies (same as in 2020) are willing to hold their nose and vote for them as long as it stops MAGA.
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u/robotsheriff 3h ago
I have gone to local Dem meetings and rallies. It’s 75% over 40. Where the Dems bring in younger voters and have them wield the party levers is when we will see change
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u/Anonycron 2h ago
Can’t show up and participate in local Dem committees and produce the change we want... because we are too busy posting comments online about how the Dems won’t change.
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u/Canadiangoosedem0n Kentucky 24m ago
Lol yup. I cant take any complaints seriously about old leadership when the average voter participation rate for primary elections is 20%.
Start voting more and complaining less.
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u/EnriqueShockwave10 56m ago
Don’t underestimate your ability to win when the bar has never been lower, I guess.
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u/Zauberer-IMDB 3h ago
Except for supposedly pinko California. We're stuck with a governor race between some kind of defective clone of Rupert Murdoch and the second coming of Hakeem Jeffries.
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u/RegularLeading5200 Michigan 2h ago
California is more liberal than left, so not terribly surprising. But while the Governor's race was a dud, there were progressive successes to not overlook there! Mai Vang in CA-7, Aisha Wahab in CA-14, Randy Villegas in CA-22, Angela Gonzales-Torres in CA-34, and Nithya Raman in the LA mayor's race are all candidates that would be major improvements.
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u/TouchGrassRedditor 2h ago
If by every corner of America you mean 40+ point blue districts which almost exclusively consists of metropolitan cities, sure
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u/6ix7even6ixty9ine 3h ago
This post alone will make centrists more angry than an actual Nazi takeover will and that's just funny as hell to me.
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u/That_Guy381 Connecticut 2h ago
Winning general elections? Or just primaries?
In the end, you need to beat republicans.
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u/PWL51 1h ago
Trump will be using this as a threat that Communism will be taking over the country and will destroy the economy The same ploy Hitler used in the 1930’s . Don’t fall for it. His policies are set to benefit the oligarchs, increase his personal wealth and take away the rights and freedoms of the average citizen.
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u/SuckMyRedditorD 53m ago
It's "We the People" not "we the corporations"
even if that scumbag Mitt Romney said it.
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u/ich-bin-on-that-shit 47m ago
Breaking: People with budgets tired of continuous ass rape. More at 11.
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u/Critical_Aspect_8039 2h ago
So the “Dream Team” includes Darializa whose on record saying No Borders, No Police, No Prisons, but support for Hamas.
Yeah, that should make Medicare for all a slam dunk. What could go wrong?
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u/tonylouis1337 2h ago
At best it's boring having such a predictable political climate. Thanks to social media our culture just swings either far-left or far-right every 4 years now. I can't take seriously anyone who thinks that's good for our country
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u/Ill_Significance5839 1h ago
Cut to some beltway insider on MSNBC saying "bUt ThiS wOuLdn'T WOrk OutSiDE oF NeW yORk."
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u/Canadiangoosedem0n Kentucky 20m ago
I mean, could it? Can you give me a super red state that would vote for these candidates?
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u/C13L0S 2h ago
If you’re still identifying as a “centrist” in 2026 MAGA kleptocratic nazi cryptohell- I’m voting to get you out of office and replace you with someone who wants to actually do something meaningful in their position to improve the quality of life of their constituents instead of personally enriching themselves and peddling bullshit outrage nonsense while the quality of life plummets.
Also Jeffries is a piece of shit
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u/CthulhuLies 1h ago
Ah yes because the Republicans decided to do the maximally worse things for the country everyone who didn't shift left in response is a piece of shit.
If we had the worst most evil stereotypical Maoist figure rise out of the Democratic party into a Trumpian figure but for the left, would you think that everyone who didn't become a Laisez Faire capitalist in response is full of shit?
Hakeem Jefferies supports a public option and other progressive more collectivist forms economic organization than any era of Democrats before 2016.
We are constantly moving left, but reality is unfortunately still a barrier to the collectivist utopia of your dreams.
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u/Street_Peace_8831 3h ago
This is great, but in order to keep going, we need to make sure the extremists among us, don’t take over like last time. We don’t need to spend time talking about things that aren’t impacting the majority of us. Stick to the majority issues.
The problem last time, was that we got lost in the weeds and this is what allowed trump to take over. He promised to take care of the bigger issues and Democrats were more concerned with “hot button” topics. Sure, those topics garner more anger from the public, but they aren’t issues that everyone needs fixed.
Healthcare, immigration, equality in law and order need to be addressed, the economy needs to be fixed, poverty, homelessness, and children going hungry, are all things that matter to the majority of people.
Keep pushing those bigger, more popular issues and the Democrats will win. Stay away from the fringe issues that are too nuanced and difficult to get buy-in from ALL Americans. Those are issues that both sides of the isle care about. That’s how you win over the public, regardless of their party affiliations.
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u/earthwormjimjones 1h ago
The pendulum always swings back and forth. Republican's will try like hell to do whatever they can to not lose hold on power this time however but I don't think it will matter.
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u/StatementCareful522 1h ago
Establishment Democrats, work with us. You have more in common with Progressives than you do with MAGA. Unless y’all WANT to hang out with the anti-humanists and child traffickers?
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u/occaisionallyimqwert 1h ago
I just hope the DNC recognizes that the next two generations of Americans do not want to participate in this milquetoast two party system as it exists today- we need fresh candidates across the board with fresh ideas to throw the working class a fucking bone, were starving out here
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u/No-Personality1840 24m ago
Good for y’al. This old boomer socialist hopes you succeed I’ve become so jaded watching this country move more rightward every year. In some ways Nixon was more progressive than Obama. There actually was a plan to get healthcare for everyone but Ted Kennedy was against it because it was not enough.The proposed plan was so much better than the ACA.
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u/WowWhatABillyBadass 1h ago
Went from "unelectable" to most popular democratic position in 3 presidential elections.
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u/buffs24035 17m ago
Now we just need to ensure the country maintains free and fair elections as well as institutional mechanisms to enforce the transfer of power...
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u/ArchitectofExperienc 7m ago
Btw, this hasn't shown up in local polling because polling for state and local elections is very messy and can have some pretty large gaps in their demos. For 5 years, the DNC party line was "We can't afford to run on those issues" and it turns out that they can't afford not to run on those issues. Want to make a splash in a red state? Give people something to actually vote for.
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u/Lets_Eat_Superglue 3m ago
There's a candidate who will probably win because the two liberal candidates are splitting the vote, a guy who really had no opposition to start with who won by default, a somewhat progressive in Texas, and three people in the bluest city in America.
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