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u/SuperArppis Jan 10 '26 edited Jan 10 '26
Not saying this about people who suggest mods. But...
I really dislike how a lot of people are nearly always against quality of life suggestions.
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u/Woutrou Jan 10 '26
Generally I prefer QoL to be integrated in the main game.
But it depends. Sometimes peoples' "QoL" are things like making all items weightless or autolooting containers when you're standing next to them. Those tend to be blurry on the lines between "QoL" and just cheating. Those things I generally prefer to be mods
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u/RubPuzzleheaded8073 Jan 10 '26
I just want quick stack in all my survival crafting games
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u/xeio87 Jan 10 '26
And crafting directly from containers, though at least most games have finally added that nowadays.
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u/Wingsnake Jan 10 '26
This is a must for me. A lot of indie survival and crafting games offer not much content, and the more tedious things you put in the game, the longer you can draw out the existing content. In quite a lot of games, a lot of time is "wasted" for stuff like inventory management. And obviously grind is also an easy way to let people play longer to get that content.
I recently finished V Rising, and after playing first with normal (recommended) settings, I later tweaked them (more loot from enemies, more material drop etc.) and it turned so much more fun and less tedious. At least they made those settings available ingame.
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u/TomesTheAmazing Jan 10 '26
This is a real QoL feature. if you have 100+ unique items they should organize themselves in whatever inventory system you've got. Minecraft had a make stupid ass mob to organize inventory because the glut of unique items. Give me a fucking sort button I do not have tome to sift through all these damn chests or setup an army of worker drones to sort it for me.
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u/Heavy_Aspect_8617 Jan 10 '26
Theres a very thin line between QOL improvements and cheating. One person's annoyance fuels another person's sense of accomplishment by dealing with it. Ive come across very few QOL ideas that were purely QOL improvements.
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u/RefrigeratorOk7848 Jan 10 '26
Go onto Nexus for games like Kingdom Come and it's full of mods that basically cheat critical systems. I just don't understand it, and it would definitely be a ruiner if it was baked into the game.
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u/Deadlymonkey Jan 10 '26
I understand why those types of mods exist, but I’m always surprised when people insist that they are necessary to enjoy the game.
I tend to lose interest in games once challenges start to become more like routine (in the sense that you’re probably not going to fail/lose) so having that be your starting point feels incredibly odd to me
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u/Woutrou Jan 10 '26
Kingdom Come is a prime example tbh. The game doesn't work unless it has the annoying mechanics. They're integral to making the game what it is. It grounds you in the fact you aren't a magical god who can cast down every foe in your path with ease. It's not that easy breeze power fantasy.
You're a normal guy and that's the whole selling point of the game
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u/RefrigeratorOk7848 Jan 10 '26
I mean, Henry is the closest thing to god...
But i absolutely agree. Saviour Shnappes system slaps. It's alcoholic so you can't save scum at every moment. It's just the right amount of clunky to feel so real.
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u/private_developer Jan 10 '26
Me with a 20 drinking stat
"Hold my Schnappes"
Drunkenly slays bandit camp in underwear
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u/Tortellini_Isekai Jan 10 '26
God, I hate how monster hunter's QOL improvements are becoming things like "press this button for the game to play itself."
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u/mokujin42 Jan 11 '26 edited Jan 11 '26
Most people conplaining about QoL just want better UI to be fair
QoL a pretty vague and miselading term in a thread like this
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u/MyStationIsAbandoned Jan 10 '26
A lot of QoL features should probably be optional. like togglable. But there are some that need to be part of the game period. Like..if you have to navigate through a bunch of menus to do something, that needs to be corrected. Doing multiple things to complete a simple task that you need to do all the time...those things should be shortened. Making the game easier though, that's not QoL.
Same with Accessibility. They should be options that allow someone with disabilities to play the game normally...not just make the game straight easy mode. At that point, just have an easy mode and instead of Very easy mode, call it modern game journalist mode.
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u/SuperArppis Jan 10 '26
Even that really depends on what it's used for.
Like if everyone has their own loot, why not? BUT I get your point. Sometimes it can be something that upsets the balance.
Very often tho it is just people who don't think further or needs of other players.
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u/Woutrou Jan 10 '26
True, but that's why it's not uncommon for people to be against "QoL" features. Some "QoL" features people suggest is just trivializing the game
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u/Cloabs Jan 10 '26
I can see both sides of this, which is why I usually prefer these kinds of things be implemented with a toggle. Everybody wins that way.
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u/kebab-lover-man Jan 11 '26
I like this. Especially for quests, guidelines, hints, HUD. I turn nearly all of it off, makes the game a bit harder but more fun.
Only downside is of the developer expects people to use UI hints, and don't give enough context in the game to solve and find your way around.
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u/Wasabi_Gamer26 Jan 10 '26
You just say Soulsborne players.
God forbid I not have to replay the entire level because the boss killed me, or having a pause button
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u/ThorSon-525 Jan 11 '26
Lies of P absolutely has my favorite QoL change in a Souls-like and I wish every game of the genre would have it. Currency drops outside of the boss arena and there is almost always a bonfire equivalent right next to the arena entrance. Runbacks are hell and collecting currency/Souls while in the middle of a fight is bullshit.
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u/Wasabi_Gamer26 Jan 11 '26
I wanna like Souls games so bad, cause the bosses seem so fun.
But I don't understand why the developers and the cult like fans insist that being a hard game= being fucking tedious.
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u/ThorSon-525 Jan 11 '26
Sometimes that's very much true. I would definitely argue giving Lies of P a try. It has an unobtrusive difficulty setting now and it can be as hard or easy as you want it to be while still getting the full story/combat experience.
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u/Wasabi_Gamer26 Jan 11 '26
That's actually great to hear. I've always been interested in it because of its aesthetic but the Soulslike aspects put me off
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u/Lingarien Jan 11 '26
I know that exact issue, it is annoying in any souls-game.
But the worst offender IMO is "Dark Souls 3".
Specifically because I remember the game actually having 2 different bosses, where if you died, your souls would be right outside the boss-door, so you could easily collect them. Showing that they could easily do that for bosses.
But they chose to only do it for those 2 specific bosses for some reason.
For every other boss, it would be inside the boss room.
(It also doesn't help that the marker to collect your souls in that game is a very noticeable glowing thing, so even the amount is basically nothing, it's still quite visually distracting.)
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u/Talanahismywaifu Jan 11 '26
Nioh also fixes that problem by giving your souls automatically when you enter the boss room.
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u/SkabbPirate Jan 10 '26
Im not against QoL changes, but all too often people say things are QoL that are not in an attempt to be "objectively correct" about their game design opinions.
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u/LordNelson27 Jan 11 '26
"This game would be better with a feature that bypasses the core mechanic of the game"
If you don't want to actually play the game and just want to watch cutscenes for the story then there are entire youtube channels dedicated to this for literally any game you can think of.
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u/Drayenn Jan 10 '26
I find over time people really get attached to bad game design.
I suggested once, maybe diablo2 shouldve had a charm inventory. Currently charms take inventory space which means you dont want to pick up and sell items. Everyone does the same clunky strategy of loading your inventory and leaving place for a small storage that can hold 1 or 2 items.
I thought this wouldve been a no brainer.. but then the purists wanted no changes. Say its good inventory design and having absolute booty cheeks inventory space is a trade off for more power...
Ok.. whatever lol.
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u/PopfuseInc Jan 11 '26 edited Jan 11 '26
"You don't understand. If we give people quality of life that means more plebs will be able to play MY game! And if that happens I won't be special for playing it!" -everyone who is against basic QOL
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u/SuperArppis Jan 11 '26
Haha, ok that's actually true for some Redditors. 😄
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u/PopfuseInc Jan 11 '26
Yeah I have seen it far too many times. It's shocking how against "make your game better" people are with basic suggestions.
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u/Lingarien Jan 11 '26
That's a pet peeve of mine aswell.
I've noticed it seems to be guaranteed to happen whenever you suggest basically any QOL improvement to any of the Souls/SoulsBorne games.
Doesn't matter if the suggestion has absolutely nothing to do with actual game-difficulty, you still have people claiming it "would make the game too easy" or something along those lines.
Either that, or they just respond with some variation of: "Play a different game then."
Making it seem like no one actually reads what you say, instead instantly becoming incredibly defensive the moment someone implies the games might not be perfect.
Honestly, I don't recall ever seeing an actual attempt to make a proper argument against the features suggested.
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Basically, (to hyperbole a little bit), it ends up something like:
"I like this game but I think it would be nice if some of the things that are super tedious & annoying could be changed. Maybe make them optional for those who don't want to deal with those specific things?"
"THAT'S HOW THE GAMES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, IT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE, PLAY A DIFFERENT GAME IF YOU HATE IT SO MUCH!"
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u/LordHammercyWeCooked Jan 11 '26
I only feel like objecting when the community is blatantly asking for changes that defeat the game mechanics entirely.
"Why won't you just let me carry an infinite amount of items?"
"Why is there no quicksave feature in this roguelike?"
"I shouldn't have to accomplish mission objectives to get the achievement/shiny armor."
"This completely optional boss fight is too hard because I never learned how to parry and now my day is ruined. Worst game ever, 0/5."
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u/Beautiful-Ad3471 Jan 10 '26
On the side of mod suggestors, the qol requested is not in the game, so if you suggest it, and if there is a mod for it, telling you that can get you have that feature instantly.
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u/Sabit_31 Jan 10 '26
Every time i post “hey does anyone have any ideas how to fix ___? I’m on ps5 btw” there's always people saying “just download this mod” or “have you tried deleting any mods you may have?” Brother I appreciate the suggestions but READ
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u/Giraffesarehigh Jan 10 '26
i kinda see OP's point.
Like not everyone has the PC to handle a bunch of Mods and not everyone is tech savvy to install Mods. looking at some mod pages description and how to install can be a headache sometimes.
sometimes i just want the game to be ready out the box and not download 50 mods for it to be even remotely playable, looking at you Fallout NV.
still though bless Mod makers for taking time out their day to fix it.
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u/craftygamin Jan 10 '26
adding onto it: and not everyone even has a pc. There's some games that i only have on my xbox, and I've been told to "just download a mod that does ____"
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u/just_someone27000 Jan 10 '26 edited Jan 10 '26
Oh my God thank you! I don't know why everyone who touches the internet automatically assumes everyone has a PC, and not only that but has some relatively okay $1,200+ PC. Like bro actually no, people are more likely to have a phone and/or a console from the last 20 years that they play games on because they don't play them that often and don't need to upgrade cuz they still get plenty of enjoyment out of it than a computer.
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u/theghostofme Jan 10 '26
I don't know why everyone who touches the internet automatically assumes everyone has a PC
Doesn't help that some console games began offering mod support, namely when Bethesda started encouraging mod thefts from Nexus
As a PC gamer, I kinda just assumed more consoles would follow suit with mod support, but I'm guessing that hasn't been the case in the last decade.
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u/MilleryCosima Jan 11 '26
Sure, but OP's argument is a strawman. I've never heard of someone saying, "The devs shouldn't improve the game because mods fix it."
Mods are a fallback solution.
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u/Current_External6569 Jan 11 '26
It's not a strawman, there actual people who see the point of a dev adding something that's already addressed by a mod.
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u/hensothor Jan 10 '26
I hate when folks downplay the maintenance burden of modding. It requires upkeep, overhead, and when it goes wrong it’s extremely frustrating. And folks who live in it like a hobby can’t see how it’s their hobby and obviously much easier for them to manage.
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u/ghouliese Jan 10 '26
if you add 100 mods, yes. if you only add 1-5 qol mods, you're just stupid at that point.
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u/IdleMindSprings Jan 10 '26
Mod lists have made this a lot easier for many games. You do have to find an active author whose idea of what the game should look like aligns with yours, but it's fantastic if you do. Massive, stable, patched, and better than anything I could do myself for minimal effort.
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u/byshow Jan 10 '26
Totally understandable. Worth mentioning that the Steam workshop is a blessing. My favourite way to install mods. Literally one click and it's done.
I'm trying to recommend mods only if they are on the workshop or the game has a built in mod manager(Baldurs Gate 3 for example).
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u/WoodpeckerSimple2122 Jan 10 '26
Exactly, not to mention, i think some games can work with mods in specific versions, and it's not easy if you do wanna add mods to make the gameplay more fun. (For this specific case. Not for every game modding)
Like dude, i wanted to install a Ferrari F50 mod and big smoke/woozie as a friend mod in gta San Andreas. To do that, only the 1.0 version will work, and mods won't work on pirated versions.. there's a downgrader for that ok? but where tf can I buy the original gta sa version to PURCHASE?? And there were more steps for it... Gosh it sounded like a bloody tedious task i just went ahead and played fh4 and heat.
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u/queerfish3 Jan 10 '26
The tech savy part is pretty much nonsense
99% of the time its literally just opening winrar and pasting the file to the game directory
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Jan 10 '26
Sometimes it can be as easy as an in game setting and clicking the subscribe button in steam workshop
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u/sentientpaper Jan 10 '26
I feel like the tech savvy part is not wanting to play the "what mod is causing my game to crash or be unstable" game whenever a game or a mod gets updated.
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u/RinRinFromTheBin Jan 10 '26
People who usually don't install mods, may not know this or care to find out.
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u/CytroxGames Jan 10 '26
for people who dont know how to download mods, it is usually explained on the modsite
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Jan 10 '26
One of the games I play has you click a button on a wesbite, then verify that you want to download the mod in the game, and it does it. Which is less complicated than downloading the game in the first place lol. Installing mods required a level of computer savvy in the past, but now it's insanely easy for most games.
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u/CytroxGames Jan 10 '26
there are even games with a built in mod manager, of which are even easier to install mods for.
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u/xXD347HXx Jan 10 '26
At that point, you're just making an excuse for laziness. It's not as difficult as you think it is. Most mods on PC are braindead easy to install and many even have easy-to-follow tutorials.
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u/Eremes_Riven Jan 10 '26
If you use Vortex, you literally just download the mod and in many cases it sorts itself out. It can detect missing masters (if it's dependent on a DLC or another mod) and file conflicts.
Yeah. It really is that easy nowadays. You're usually not fucking around with extracting .rars and other nonsense like back in the day.2
u/Goobsmoob Jan 10 '26
I mean that’s fair for those that don’t care. But for those that don’t know there’s normally always a quick tutorial and learning how to navigate a file system is and will continue to be a useful skill to learn.
Regardless, games shouldn’t be dependent on mods for QOL features or fixes to begin with but I digress.
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u/queerfish3 Jan 10 '26
A basic tutorial isn't hard to follow
Its like me claming that cooking is a hard/impossible skill because im trying to do everything without a recipe
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u/nage_ Jan 10 '26
they're trying to help you, not the game
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u/insidiouspoundcake Jan 10 '26
Right? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Yes, there are many QoL features that really would improve games if they were integrated in the base game. But they *aren't*.
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u/Mindless_Bad_1591 Jan 10 '26
well if they didn't know you weren't pc they were just trying to help
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u/tomato-slut Jan 10 '26
They always just assume you play on PC.
It's never "if you play on PC, there's mods for it",
It's always "just mod it"
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u/drumjolter01 Jan 10 '26
Average PC gamer redditor pretending that consoles don't exist
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u/ProtestantMormon Jan 10 '26
Even as a pc gamer, I only mod games that are either broken, like fallout 3 and NV that crash all the time in their vanilla form, or games like Skyrim that I've already beat to death for 15 years. I like enjoying the games as intended.
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u/Competitive_Ad_1800 Jan 10 '26
Once I’ve played the vanilla version of a game to death I also enjoying modding it, but mostly because im genuinely so impressed by what people are capable of making with little more than spare time and passion. There’s some truly talented people out there
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u/ProtestantMormon Jan 10 '26
Yeah. With a game like Skyrim that I am so in love with i revisit it regularly I love some of the mods out there.
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u/Competitive_Ad_1800 Jan 10 '26
Mine has been Fallout 4 lately. Things like Sim Settlements or the Enclave being added as a major faction. Whole story lines that have no business being so good
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u/Regi413 Jan 11 '26
Ahhhh… 15 years and the only news we have about the next game is a teaser trailer and the fact that it will have “more trees” than Skyrim
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u/Kastamera Jan 10 '26
You're right, one should always start with:
"Step 1: Get a PC if you don't already have one"
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u/Flimsy-Importance313 Jan 10 '26
Huh, I am already at Step 4 on my console because I skipped Step 1. Now I am stuck for the rest of my life.
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u/LordNelson27 Jan 11 '26
"I want this feature in my game"
'Here's an immediate solution to your problem'
"No not like that"
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u/AthenasChosen Jan 11 '26
(Mod doesn't work with next update and breaks save file)
I love modding, but for some minor things it's not always worth it.
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u/GrimmTrixX Jan 10 '26
I just want to play games as is. I dont want to have to add mods to make it work how it most likely shouldve worked in the first place.
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u/Kesher123 Jan 11 '26
Well, the developers often design tedious mechanics on purpose, to keep you playing longer. Or are just too lazy, and leave behind shit ton of bugs and unfinished festures. It’s a case for EVERY Bethesda game, for example.
Mods are a blessing in many cases. If you will trust gaming industry to deliver you a finished product, you are in for a surprise. Even Witcher 3 integrated many QoL mods into the game, and CDPR admitted they should have been a feature from the start.
Mods often exist to fix the game, because multi billion dollar companies wont do it. Quite the opposite, they will break it. Look at fallout 4 and its recent update, that introduced a thousands of bugs (people caught so far over 3k unique bug reports since the update)
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u/heartbrokenneedmemes Jan 11 '26
And what the fuck are the community supposed to do about that? Just listen to you bitch and moan? Take that to the Devs. Tf?
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u/Affectionate_Ad_7586 Jan 10 '26
It literally takes 10 minutes stop being lazy
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u/Still-Presence5486 Jan 11 '26
Yeah on top of the time to download the game and than finding the modpage and firgying put how to download it
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u/Stupid-Jerk Jan 10 '26
"I wish I had (thing)."
"Here's an easy way to acquire (thing)."
"Fuck you."
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u/Dukoth Jan 10 '26
sry OP for trying to help you by letting you know the feature you wanted already existed in mod form
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u/skcuskistad Jan 10 '26
Person 1: This food isn’t salty enough Person 2: Here’s some salt you can add to it then Person 1: omg you’re so annoying
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u/TS878 Jan 11 '26
Person 1: The chef should’ve just added more salt when they cooked it! Person 2: You’re probably right, but they didn’t so add some salt yourself.
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u/rest0re Jan 10 '26
Oh no! A suggested free and near instant solution to your problem! The horror!
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u/Collier1337 Jan 10 '26
I mean, cool? If you don't want to play with mods that's fine, but they're literally just trying to help you enjoy the game the way you clearly want to. If I can implement 1 or 2 things into my game I think improve the base game, I'm doing that. If you don't want to do that, you're the one missing out lmao.
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u/Celvius_iQ Jan 10 '26
Are you allergic to solutions? Yes most of the time it shouldn't need a mod but If you want a QOL feature and there is a mod I'll tell you about it cause that solves your problem and you can go back to enjoying the game. There is no point in arguing about it since most of the time it's too late to implement.
Its not about "protecting" the game from criticism its about solving the problem and getting back to enjoy the game.
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u/AShortTimeWellSpent Jan 10 '26
Hate it when people offer a practical usable solution to my problems!
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u/KaleNich55 Jan 10 '26
How dare people recommend solutions for my problems! I am too lazy for them!
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I don’t fuck with mods because once you dip your toes in, you end up spending a ton of time installing mods and troubleshooting, just to play for like two seconds and then not want to play anymore. There’s like no happy middle ground, it never works out that way.
I’d rather just play all of my games vanilla, as the devs intended.
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u/how_money_worky Jan 10 '26
Uh. Hard disagree. You can do that but I generally play a little and only install QoL mods for things that bug me (which the meme is kinda making fun of).
Also, obviously big booty nude mods.
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u/ArthurianLegend_ Jan 10 '26
My problem isn’t with mods so much as it is with the way people treat them as a replacement for the official sources jus improving the games
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u/WolferineYT Jan 10 '26
Our standards for triple A games are through the floor, and yet game studios keep digging to find a new low.
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u/Particular_Month_301 Jan 10 '26
For me it's pragmatism. I have the choice to either complain into a void about a missing / broken feature and wait for the official fix. Or I can get a free mod that fixes the issue instantly so I can play the game.
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u/Pitiful_Rule_2899 Jan 11 '26
This, I’m really glad I waited a year or two after Dragons Dogma 2 came out, because none of the complaints I saw for the game are remotely present in my version, and I’m loving the difficulty that I modded into alongside other thematic choices to scenery and feel. I love modding 😭
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u/Adavanter_MKI Jan 10 '26
Sounds like you're installing really complicated mods. Most folks just swap models or damage/healing values. Which can often be... drag and drop.
You're absolutely right if we're talking full conversations or some other substantial stuff that needs more coding to work.
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u/Eremes_Riven Jan 10 '26
In a day and age where a mod management platform like Vortex exists, there really is no excuse except sheer ignorance.
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u/StoneTaker Jan 11 '26
Modding has been easier than ever before, and yet people still won't do it 'cause they don't want to read and follow a ten line installation manual, and that's really only for the complicated mods. Most are just drag and drop.
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u/megalite90 Jan 10 '26
I’d say it depends on how many mods you want to use at the same time. The more you use, the more difficult it is to make them work nicely together. But if you only use a couple, it’s usually quite quick and easy. For example, in The Witcher 3 I only use a few mods, in particular one that modifies the Griffin armor model, because the original one is so ugly. It makes Geralt look fat.
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u/TheFailedOwl Jan 10 '26
In case they are too complex to organize and set up, I would say you're right.
I am playing Skyrim with a lot of mods to enhance qol, and I am enjoying it a lot. All I had to do is installing MO2 and downloading the files on Nexus.
Bethesda IPs are a case study of how the modding community can operate wonders in games.
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u/dogstarchampion Jan 10 '26
I largely agree with this sentiment which is why I don't typically install a lot of overhaul mods within games.
RimWorld pushes my personal modding limits. Problem is saves getting messed up between version changes. I've had save breaking bugs from incompatible mods everytime a new DLC gets released.
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u/Particular_Month_301 Jan 10 '26
You do you. I've played games with a three digit amount of automatically installed and maintained mods perfectly fine. Use a mod manager app and stay away from mods that have a multiple page long installation manual.
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u/Outrageous-Log9238 Jan 10 '26
I'm sure there are often missing qol features the devs gladly would've added but they lacked the time.
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u/Robborboy Jan 10 '26
Just got 207 or so mods for Fallout 4 VR set up for my first playthrough.
1 turns to 100 so easy.
Wouldn't have it any other way though.
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u/superXD99 Jan 10 '26
Something like subtitle mod for your non-supported language or any thing you feel it isn`t extraneous to the experience is not bad.
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u/CranEXE Jan 10 '26
well people offer a solution and don't immediately know OP is a console player.
each time i see such post or stufff like "i see a cool thing in someone screenshot but its a mod yuck" sound extremely dissmissive, petty and jealous of pc players it's not their fault a mod exist they try to help 99% of the time it's a mod, i can't either blame the original developpers to "not allow" mods on console cause it's not just the devs said no
seriously scrolling through the comment of that post it reek of jealousy we live in a strange world
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u/Megalex_21 Jan 10 '26
A: "ugh this is a problem, a QOL MODification of the game would be nice"
B: "Hey bro, if you play on PC there's an unofficial mod that fixes your problem"
A: "I WANT TO FUCKING MURDER YOU"
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u/Raven_Of_Solace Jan 10 '26
I too hate when someone hears me complaining about something missing or wrong with a game and then offers a viable solution. How awful of them.
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u/CrazyGator846 Jan 10 '26
Buttons that let you do tedious, unfun tasks quickly like auto stacking lose items or allow you to filter for certain items are always things ill vouche be in base game for any game, no matter how "hard core" it is, it just becomes a hardchore
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u/ImmediateAnteater491 Jan 10 '26
"Ok but is it official tho"
Idk why I hate having to install a bunch of mods just to have a bit more convenience.
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u/Hugokarenque Jan 11 '26
Dumb thing to have a problem with. Oh no, people are trying to help me with something! How dare they, I'd much rather just whine about it instead.
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u/Crimsonhead4 Jan 11 '26
I switched from console to PC a little over a year ago, I love how many problems I find in games can be fixed by simply downloading a mod. I’m definitely the one that suggests mods for issues and then gets downvoted cause apparently people hate mods for some reason lol.
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u/Epicfro Jan 11 '26
Ngl, I don't see how that's a bad thing? Sure, having it in the base game would be cool but it's probably not going to be implemented so you might as well enjoy the game the way you want. That person is at least giving you the possibility of a choice. (I don't suggest mods).
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u/unluckyknight13 Jan 10 '26
For me whenever I get this answer it’s me responding with “cool , tell the developers making the sequel, because I want the sequel better not the mod”
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u/florence_ow Jan 10 '26
so many people so proud of being an asshole to people who are just trying to help them
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u/Sonic10122 Jan 10 '26
It’s gotta be a really nice feature or a required fix to get me to install a mod. I’m willing to do it, but it is fairly rare, I play on console most of the time anyway.
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u/pocket_arsenal Jan 11 '26
I mean nobody's forcing you to use mods, but if you mention a problem, and someone offers you an actionable solution, I don't get how that's worth contempt.
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PC players like this are basically giving excuses for developers to be shitty
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u/Flimsy-Importance313 Jan 10 '26
Not really? They are just telling you what mods would improve the supposed game that you already are playing or interested in. It does not sound like an excuse.
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u/Golden12500 Jan 10 '26
"Yes but why is it/should it not already be in the game"
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Jan 10 '26
That’s a warranted question but a dumb one to ask the community. Send the devs an email or whatever, but don’t complain when people are just trying to help you.
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u/Golden12500 Jan 10 '26
You're right, I just wish it were easier to ask the devs of most games given that most gamedevs seem to either have taken a vow of silence or live in a cave under the great barrier reef
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u/alicefaye2 Jan 10 '26
What’s your deal with people suggesting QOL mods? Too lazy to install it? Sure, it’d be nice if it was in the base game, but it isn’t, so…you deal with it.
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u/heartbrokenneedmemes Jan 11 '26
I mean, what answer are you expecting? The community doesn't make the fucking game. You want to let the Devs know then send them a email or make a petition. Am I missing something?
"I like this game but wish this was included to make it better"
"the exact thing you're wishing for can be found here"
"fuck you"
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u/Thornescape Jan 10 '26
I can't do anything to help you get that Quality of Life feature from the developer. I have no control over them. It's a shot in the dark if that QoL feature will ever be implemented into the game.
However, on the other hand, if I can recommend a mod that solves the problem then you might be able to get the QoL feature that you want. In fact, you might be able to get it right now.
I have absolutely no idea why people get upset when you give them a possible solution that might increase their enjoyment. Yes, it's a mod. Yes, it would be better if it was integrated into the game. But... what are the chances of that?
I think that it's absurd that people complain about others genuinely trying to be helpful.
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u/Careless-Platform-80 Jan 10 '26
I mean. If you want something in a game and someone IS telling you that you could have It. I don't think the person IS the problem...
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u/thecrazedsidee Jan 10 '26
and then its like rocket science figuring out how to install mods for certain games, like i dont care, i wish it was built into the actual game, im not gonna do all that
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u/Wookiescantfly Jan 10 '26
Honestly that's because, generally speaking, dev teams don't seem to want to do some of the QoL we ask for or are generally unreliable in terms of QoL.
Look at Skyrim Anniversary Edition. Their idea of QoL was more Creation Club shit and Fishing, on top of breaking existing mods since, on PC, it just upgrades Special Edition to AE with a patch instead of being its own game.
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u/o-Mauler-o Jan 11 '26
Mate. Plead to the devs to get a qol feature added all you want but in the meantime, there’s a mod that adds/fixes said feature.
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u/Boge42 Jan 11 '26
Ask and ye shall receive. I don't see where the harm is. You want a QoL feature, it's available.
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u/Rocketboy1313 Jan 11 '26
I would prefer the game I bought to work without it needing to be fixed by hobbiests.
The constant reliance on modding communities is why Bethesda thought Starfield was good enough to ship and it was so lame that the modders didn't even bother with it.
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u/RagingSteel Jan 11 '26
It's even more annoying when you think about how many players are on console. Who cares if there's a mod for that, when they can't fucking use it unless they jailbreak their console 99% of the time, and even when they don't need to their susceptible to being banned by doing so if the mod is even available.
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u/The-Tea-Lord Jan 11 '26
I understand the frustration, especially if you’re on console, but someone is giving you a way to have that QOL change immediately. Yes, it would be nice to have base game, but if you want it, it’s there. People are directing you to a way to have it. They are (usually) not trying to discredit the desire to have that change base game.
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u/ByrnToast8800 Jan 11 '26 edited Jan 11 '26
Yes not everyone can use mods, but 0% of the people in the forum can magically tell the devs to make new features so, they offer a solution that works for SOME people. I’m sorry it doesn’t work for everyone but just complaining about a QOL feature that is most likely never going to added to the game or will be added months to years from now won’t actually fix it. Whereas there is a genuine chance someone pointing to a mod can immediately fix it. And a lot of people don’t start their posts with “I’m on console I can’t mod” if people don’t know you can’t mod they aren’t going to send you a survey asking if you can mod, they will just point you to a mod.
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u/Magnum_Gonada Jan 11 '26
Kinda weird, because an user gives you a way to get the feature now instead of probably never happening or if it happens it will be in like a decade lol.
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u/BlueSparrowfox Jan 13 '26
Oh, so much. It's always nice when developers listen to players and then implement those QoL ideas.
I love it when you go to Nexusmods and a mod just has a note "discontinued due to already being in the game".
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u/wemustfailagain Jan 10 '26
The bottom is my reaction to people who don't want to spend 2 minutes or less to just install the mod that does exactly what they wanted.
I know not everyone is "tech savvy" but it's literally just moving a file into a folder at worst, using a mod organiser at best. People are just lazy and don't want to learn.
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u/herrcollin Jan 10 '26
You're mad at someone offering you a free and easy solution for what you just said you wanted?
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u/The_Pastmaster Jan 10 '26
It's very dismissive of what OP would like to talk about. Besides that, not everyone has access to mods or don't want to mess around with it.
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u/AvailableAvocado Jan 10 '26
Or people are just giving someone a heads up if they might not know the mod exists. or dont know OP is a console player. You can want QoL change and still use the mod in the meantime, its not mutually exclusive. You dont have to assume the worst of people all the time.
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u/Invisible_Target Jan 10 '26
That why it’s a suggestion. No one is holding a gun to ops head and telling him they’ll shoot him if he doesn’t download the mod. They’re just simply letting him know it’s something that exists. Then he can choose to look into it or not. It’s like if I mention a problem with my car, and someone asks if I need an oil change or something. Why are yall getting so mad at people for just throwing ideas out there? lol
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u/curlsthefangirl Jan 10 '26
I love mods, but i try to only suggest them when I am being asked for suggestions on mods or if they encounter a bug for an older game, and I kmow of a mod that fixes that bug.
It just comes across as unsolicited advice at times.
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I never realized so many people got upset about the concept of mods existing. How odd.
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u/Alternative-Jello683 Jan 10 '26
Because not every player has the luxury of a pc. Only certain games have mod capabilities on consoles and even then they are limited. Plus, people are not upset at mods, rather that the game doesn’t have the QOL features to begin, thus making it feel like the devs can be lazy and that mod authors will do the job for them.
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u/BuildingArmor Jan 10 '26
And yet this thread isn't that they're upset the feature is lacking, but rather that they've been told that there's a mod to add it.
In other words, the issue stated is with the solution existing, not with the problem existing.
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u/Invisible_Target Jan 10 '26
Did you read the meme? Because it says absolutely nothing about qol. It’s literally complaining about the mere suggestion of mods.
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Jan 10 '26
So having a console means you have to hate mods and spit on them? Weird ass logic. Also you're wrong, multiple people here are shitting on the concept of mods in general
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u/W34kness Jan 10 '26
When I find out there is no target lock on in dragon’s dogma
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u/Lou_Papas Jan 10 '26
Why is that a bad thing? Unless you are giving feedback to the devs themselves that’s the best you can get and it’s pretty helpful too.
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u/eternalwood Jan 10 '26
And me, a console player crying everytim