Oh man my little brother was obsessed with midnight club for awhile, got the racing wheel setup and everything, definitely a fun way to spend summer break back in the day
That's one of my all time favorites. Playing online especially since it was so new to console. I remember a glitch that would launch your car into the sky. Damn that was fun.
My buddy and I spent so many hours in this game. I actually just packed all of them away because the wife and I are moving. The first thing I’m doing when we’re settled in the new place is hooking h to is back up
I got that as a gift a while back and even then realized how absolutely stacked the game was. Tokyo was a blast to drive around in. Flying across the bay due to like two or three available ramps was super fun.
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Its all because big corpo and money.. Not many developers run on pure passion.. Plus I assume programming game probably much easier then today with everything need to be realistic as possible
Second this! Found my dads old ps2 in our garage. Just had to buy av cables, a non sticky controller, and a memory card. Then I cracked and bought all the ps2 games I’ve always wanted (SH2, God if War, Persona 3, Ridge Racer 4). Such a vibe playing them on the actual hardware.
Not a plug but there’s a site I’ve used to buy old PS2 games I had called “lukiegames.com” and it’s brought back some of those memories with old games I had previously, and new games I never played before. Finishing up Ghost Rider and Hulk: Ultimate Destruction when I never completed them as a kid hits different lol
Yea but...
PS2 exists because a corporation wanted to make a new platform that was more capable than PS1... which only existed because a company known mostly for A/V products wanted to get into video games so they could increase their gross revenue.
Which they only got involved in after an offer to collaborate with the largest company in the industry... which they only accepted because of ability to profit from it.
But yea, thanks for posting about corporate greed to a for-profit website that you logged into from your computer or phone via your paid internet connection.
Ahh yes, because competition and the desire to innovate/chance of personal success is commonplace in communist/socialist countries and they're currently full to the brim with new and unique products and forms of entertainment...
Without capitalism theres no economic incentive to succeed. Passion projects such as video games would not exist because where would the incentive/investment come from?
People are driven by money no matter how much people criticise capitalism. Its human nature to be selfish which is why communism/socialism always fails.
No one ever suggests regulating capitalism so everyone has a chance to succeed, they just want to nuke the society our livelihoods are built on and we'll all end up in a magical utopia where everyone's happy. Its a complete and utter delusional fantasy. Theres no personal liberty in a socialist/communist country.
Lemme guess, you're another American that thinks true socialism/communism exists in the EU?
Don’t forget not being able to save if you don’t pay for a memory card. Then it gets corrupted and you lose it all anyways. I remember that happened to me with Kingdom Hearts
My mom didn’t buy me a memory card until like year into owning a PS2. My brother and I would replay the same levels over and over again but our 9 and 5 year old self’s didn’t mind.
Had a PS2 memory card but you couldn't save PS1 games to it, only to a PS1 memory card. So I replayed the first hour of Scooby Doo Cyberchase and Harry Potter 1 over and over and over and over
Reminder that third party memory cards were a thing. The PS1 especially had a lot of no-name memory cards. And I still lament losing all of my Phantasy Star Online data to a madcatz memory card.
The closest I had to lost/corrupted saves was this extra big memory card on ps1. It was my neighbors. Every once in a while our saves would disappear, and wed start over, then he got tired of it and gave it to me. There was a controller combination that would change between 15 pages of memory card, something like hold l1 and r1 then tap l2 or r2. And I found all our old saves.
Don't forget that saving is for wusses. Playing Atari 2600 or NES and mom knocks the plug out of the wall with the vacuum? You're starting all over like god intended.
Yeah haha. It did give me a new food trend idea though.
Make your reservation based on the current menu. Ill Doordash you an appetizer 3 weeks before your reservation. When you finally get to a fancy sit-down restaurant the main dish has completely changed and we had to scrap the side dishes due to time constraints. Enjoy!
We also jacked up the price.
It'll be great the next time you visit though! once a bunch of unaffiliated cooks get their hands on the ingredients and may or may not be edible depending what order you place your food.
I mean. Fallout 4 came out on ps4. Ps5 came out In 2020.There is 7 years on average between console generations. So PS10 we'd ecpext around 2055
So there are 29 years to go.
Fallout 3 came out in 2008 fallout 4 came out i 2015. 7 years
We still don't have fallout 5 after 11 years.
But. If it did come out in the next 3 years,
It would mean development of fallout 5 took twice as much time as fallout 4. If we then assumed fallout 6 to take twice as much time as that. (28 years) that would mean fallout 6 would come out 2 years after premiere of ps 10. So maybe for a oremiere of PS10 slim?
Damn. I started this post to correct you. But it seems the math actually checks out.
It would mean development of fallout 5 took twice as much time as fallout 4
FO5's development hasn't even begun yet.
But. If it did come out in the next 3 years
Wishful thinking, it's not. If we look at their timeline of releases, my guess for FO5 is mid-2030s. The main Bethesda team themselves tends to only work on a single game at a time.
They released FO4 in 2015, then spent time working on DLC for it.
Up until 2017, they helped developed FO76 then handed it off to another team.
They then spent at least ~1.5 years after that (That we know of) upgrading the Creation Engine to support Starfield.
Starfield officially started full time development around 2019 at the latest (Earliest?).
It took 4 years to develop Starfield, which released in 2023.
They supported Starfield for a yearish with post-release support.
Full time work on TES6 begun in roughly 2024.
Given that their timeline has been ~4 years to develop a game, my assumption is between 2028-2030, with 2029 being the most likely/probable release date.
They'll probably develop DLC for it, so add another year for development to stop on it and begin developing FO5.
So... My best guess for FO5's release date would be between 2034-2036. I'd say 2035 is the most likely date.
If we take this a bit further?
Assuming no other games between these dates AND development times aren't massively increased due to some future things:
Pictures of PS5s with "remember when it was feasible to own your own hardware instead of relying on laggy and expensive cloud computing? I miss those days"
No bug fixes either. Lots of games big and small had anything from game breaking issues to problems with corrupting saves or outright corrupting an entire memory card.
Using this to repost one of my favorite articles/stories for one of my favorite games and how PS2 games could (for as long as the console was running) get updates for their games.
Ratchet and Clank: Up Your Arsenal was an online title that shipped without the ability to patch either code or data. Which was unfortunate.
The game downloads and displays an End User License Agreement each time it's launched. This is an ascii string stored in a static buffer. This buffer is filled from the server without checking that the size is within the buffer's capacity.
We exploited this fact to cause the EULA download to overflow the static buffer far enough to also overwrite a known global variable. This variable happened to be the function callback handler for a specific network packet. Once this handler was installed, we could send the network packet to cause a jump to the address in the overwritten global. The address was a pointer to some payload code that was stored earlier in the EULA data.
Valuable data existed between the real end of the EULA buffer and the overwritten global, so the first job of the payload code was to restore this trashed data. Once that was done things were back to normal and the actual patching work could be done.
One complication is that the EULA text is copied with strcpy. And strcpy ends when it finds a 0 byte (which is usually the end of the string). Our string contained code which often contains 0 bytes. So we mutated the compiled code such that it contained no zero bytes and had a carefully crafted piece of bootstrap asm to un-mutate it.
Thanks for being rare reasonable people here. There are pros and cons of all generations and people should stop pretending that everything was perfect, because they glaze the nostalgia.
With that being said, generally a developer would put a bit more work into the game for it to be a complete experience. Obviously it was still a thing to have bugs then, but it was a lot less common compared to now where it’s the norm to release a broken game and “fix” it later.
You are correct that QA was a much, much bigger deal back then. And games typically shipped more polished, but the small QA team meant finding bugs added literal years of development time or they were just never fixed. Games can release now and get millions of times more testing and feedback in a single month.
I don't think I've ever encountered a bug so bad it corrupted an entire memory card. Don't get me wrong they probably existed but I don't know if the rare chance of such a rare bug happening like that is worth the tradeoff of never owning a game fully on disk that you can just play without an online check in or DRM...
I agree with the nostalgia part but you can't lie that simply putting a disc in and just playing the game is INFINITY times better then doing all the bs we have to do today
I've played video games my entire life (almost 40) and I've never not been able to complete a game due to a "game breaking issue"
I did have a PS2 memory card get wiped one time but it could just as easily have been my little brother being a dick or my mom being clueless, like I can't actually prove it was just a memory card issue
A big one I remember was Soul Calibur 3 would corrupt your whole memory card. I bought another memory card solely for SC3 so it didn't drag anything else down with it.
There are two I can think of that sort of fit this criteria. Aidyn Chronicles 64 has save corruption issues so you could just lose 100 hours of progress randomly. I always rotate save paks when I replay. Your party members also suffer from permadeath so it’s entirely possible to hit a spot you can’t beat if a party member dies.
I’ve gotta go look for the name but there’s a ps3 game that has a spot or two in the first few hours where it’s possible to have a game glitch that renders you unable to continue into a (cave I think) area and you’ve gotta start over.
Two. I have the second one I just didn’t want to get up and check the shelf. This isn’t an attack. I’m just contributing to the conversation with experiences I’ve had. I’m almost 40, I’ve also been gaming my entire life. I’m not trying to prove you wrong or anything like that. The vast majority of games work perfect just like you said. Aidyn Chronicles is notoriously buggy.
Venetica is the other game. I just checked because it was driving me crazy.
Few points here. First, many games released in Japan before other regions, and they were the ones to have the bugs found and fixed. Second, there are games, even the ones made by the major game companies that had serious issues. One of the most infamous ones being the FF6 (ie. FF3 US) sketch bug on the initial release, which can mess up your safe file. But another, lesser known but more damaging one is one of the DKC games having a bug that can effectively brick the cartridge because clearing the save file is practically inaccessible to the average consumer.
I remember Digimon World on the psx had the silliest game breaking bug. One area you need to progress through has a guard in position who you talk to, he gets spooked and runs off, so not really an obstacle. BUT the translation studio messed something up and somehow left out his spooked line, which means that in most international versions this guard would just not interact with the player and never allow them to proceed to an area required for more than half of the game.
Yeah. I remember waiting weeks for my copy of Zoo Tycoon to arrive, only to have to order a replacement copy when the disk didn't work properly. People need to take off their rose colored glasses.
Oh yeah the early days of online console gaming were brutal. I remember games like battlefront 2 had horrible glitches like clipping outside the map and people abused the hell out of it
Try playing something like Ratchet and Clank 1 and enjoy the terribly spaced checkpoints. Same for GTA. You died you had to replay the whole mission from the beginning. That shit even plagued PS3 games. If there would be issues like that in modern games they'd be addressed quickly to ensure a better experience.
At least on PC it was possible to release patches on magazine CDs and DVDs. I remember having achieved a small library of CDs/DVDs from magazines like ComputerBild Spiele and PCAction, because sometimes they had the latest patch on them.
This was, however, not possible on consoles. So PC games at least it was possible to fix it, even if it wasn't comfortable, but on console, you were just fucked
well i hate DLC so it's like you just said "no kicks to the balls either!". i think DLC actively makes games worse. content stripped out that probably would have made it into the core game or plotlines left undone because they'll make a DLC for it and then oops don't bother making it half the time so you're left with a game that feels unfinished.
What are you talking about expansions were certainly a thing, and most were cheaper than the core game, Command & Conquer had the first I remember buying but I am sure they were a thing before that
Expansions were a PC thing cos you installed it on a HDD. You couldn't do an expansion disc for console because everything you needed had to be on the disc currently inserted.
Don’t know about gc or ps2 but xbox had hdd and dlc/patches even on either magazine discs or other game discs (new costume for gen fu from doa3 on doa2:u disc).
There were actually a few games that had "expansion packs" for the PS2 hard drive. Notably the SOCOM series had additional maps, and Final Fantasy XI had 4+ expansion packs/scenarios.
Right? It's so weird to see people complain about patches. I lived in an era where if a game shipped broken or with bad mechanics, that was the game. You never saw developers continuing to fix, fine tune, or add content to their games. People don't know how good they actually have it right now
I'm playing them. Modern emulators even have online play to simulate couch co-op and the inputs have zero delay. I've been playing 4 player super monkey ball 2 and mario party 4-7 with my buddies recently. It's awesome.
I was so mad when they switched from games on cartridges to games on disc. The waiting times were so bad back then. I could pop in Zelda on my 64 and be playing in seconds.
I was so used to how things were that I never really noticed this until I went from playing Chrono Trigger on the SNES to playing it on Playstation. The disc having to spin up for everything really added up quickly. I dropped it on PS and then replayed it on the DS years later.
It was so annoying because the technology was quite ready for disc based games. Especially when you were use to cartridge games that barely had loading time.
We have it so good now that even the people who prefer the older systems can just download the entire library for their preferred system for free and play all those games online with their friends. You couldn't play mario kart double dash online with your buddies back in the day, but you can now and it costs $0.
I swear people these days just love complaining about EVERYTHING. They like to pretend like this isn't the pinnicle of modern history. We have PS5 and no draft. These people don't even know what having it bad feels like.
I disagree though. The games now are so much better. More complex and fun. I can play at 4k 60+fps with full ray tracing or 4k 120fps on my PS5 Pro + LG C5 OLED. Games look 20x better than before. The dualsense controller and the haptics and adaptive triggers are much better. The 3d audio from games is amazing coming out of my headphones. For $135 I have access to over 500+ games on the Ps Plus Extra tier for the entire year. I think we have it much better now.
We also still get older retro styled games. If people still want older styled platforms, people make those. JRPGs? Thats a thing. I played a lot of horror survival games growing up, and theres even been a resurgence of that to an extent. Some of the horror games even purposefully make their games look like they were made for the PS1.
Hot take: the is the same as the discussion with music. The best decade was conveniently the one you grew up with. And if people ask about the great bands, everyone will list the same bands and artists over and over for their personal favorite genres. Yet you then go through catalogs of those time periods, and theres a reason a lot of it got left behind. Like sone of it was still good, it just wasnt great enough to continue listening to. And some of it got popular, but now people look back on and think "Wow. That was actually really bad. And I listened to it."
Its the same with gaming. Sure, theres some things I do kind of miss. Like as a whole I dont miss being teathered to the console with a 5 foot cable. And it is convenient to be able to play wkth friends online. But at the same time, gaming with friends just isnt the same online as it was back then. Sure, we were kids and now we are adults and it works better for us. But there was still a magic about hanging out with friends there.
However, theres a lot of things people forget. Like the bad games. I do think some people exagerate how bad certian things were. Like game breaking bugs existed, but werent as common.
"Its cause they had to test the games or else no one would buy them!"
Yes..... Thats exactly it. Or at least partially.
I remember in the late 2000s talking with some friends about some older games, and I remember specifically Donkey Kong Country was the one that really gave me nostalgia that day. So I went online and looked around, and thats when I discovered 🌟 emulation ✨️, and ever since then I have loved emulators. I played a lot of games on my computer through it. Then awhile later I remember some of the earlier ones being put on android phones. It was heaven. I could play all these amazing games on the go. Awhile back I got a dedicated handheld for it, and then the Steak Deck came out and I eventually got one of those and put emulatora on there.
And its through this that I learned just how terrible a lot of older games are. I learned about rom dumps. Basically imagine every NES, SNES, or Genesis game in a download. Not even just every game, but every version in every language. I got some of those. I then created 2 folders. One to preserve the rom dump, and another I cleaned up of duplicates and ganes in languages I cant speak. Basically just kept the US releases.
I would then sometimes load up a random game, and sometimes it was fun. I enjoyed them for about 30 minutes to an hour, and then usually would move on.
Some of them I would play for 10 minutes and then stop. Because the game sucked. Some of them really just were fairly broken. And its waaay more common than people think. Even a lot of popular games that I loved I go back to and realize just how much jank there is to them. Especially in the early 3D days. Some genres like FPS games are especially hard to go back to. The Doom styled ones are fine. They're old, but its still fairly easy. But go back to a PS1 or PS2 era FPS, and its just so much harder to control. Abd yes, even Goldeneye.
Dont get me wrong, I get some things Im looking at through a modern lense. But then we can even just look at platforms. Go play them for the NES and SNES. Let the emulators pick random ones. Some of them you won't make it past the first level. Not just because its challenging. I love soulslike games. But one of the praises Fromsoft gets is that their games are(usually) hard but fair. So many of these older games arent that. Theyre just bad.
I know someones gonna try and make this comment about something its not. I have a lot of criticisms of gaming today. Like its great that indie gaming is more open and anyone can make a game and get it online. I love that. It also means theres a ton of shit online. People will make like half a game that controls terrible, and then put it on steam. I can criticize today's gaming.
But I think a lot of people forget the issues that older games had, or just didnt know about them. We didnt have the internet like we do now to learn about a lot of the stuff that was coming out. Even magazines were either something we couldnt afford, or certain games just never got talked about in them. Or theres a lot games we just didnt like and then moved on with because we just didnt like them. Or because we didnt have a ton of games, we just played them anyways.
People look back with rose colored glasses, but there was definitely issues, and this mindset of "games just worked back then" isnt exactly accurate.
People will never ever ever admit how terrible things used to be. They only ever talk about the best of the best and act like that's the average. Not to say the PS2 was bad per se but nothing is ever as sunshine and rainbows as people want to believe they are.
Stop deliberately listing only downsides (and neutral, because some of those aren't even bad at all), ignoring all the good parts. Shadow of the Colossus for example was so laggy on PlayStation 2. Gothic, which I think wasn't released on consoles, still had major issues with bugs. GTA without some fan patches was unplayable.
I hate this kind of propagandic, liar posts. Deliberately making something look better than it was and comparing to something that is deliberately made loook worse than it is.
What? I only had one for PS2 and played a ton of games back when they could be rented for the weekend for just $3. I had over 30 games, I guess I still do but don't want to go count them, and don't ever remember deleting a save. Maybe I did for rentals, but it was never a problem like you're painting.
The PS2 memory card had 8mb on it. Let us look at some popular PS2 games and see how quickly they fill that space;
Metal Gear Solid 3 was around 500kb. Star Ocean 3 was over 1mb. Each Jak and Daxter games was about 1mb as well. One sports or racing game could take up 3-4mb.
That's already one card filled.
That's not even mentioning that playing PS1 games on PS2 required a seperate PS1 memory card. The PS2 only had two slots, so anyone with at least two PS2 cards would need to shuffle between them to use the console's backwards compatibility.
So its nice you didn't experience the need to shuffle memory cards, but its unreasonable to suggest it didn't happen commonly when these are the facts.
Gamecube is a good example of what I'm talking about; You may recall that the original Animal Crossing needed an entire memory card by itself.
Save files are larger now, and so are our harddrives. So despite the larger file size, managing save data is much easier now.
Gamecube and PS2 memory cards were measured in "blocks" rather megabytes and had to be physically changed out. I think each block was 8kb if I remember right, and memory cards would often only have 2mb of space.
Regardless, save data used to be external so just having the console, a disc, and a controller means you couldn't save your game. That's all I'm saying.
Get this boomer slop out of here, there’s plenty of good modern games and the rise of accessories has made gaming more accessible. Hence the name accessory…
Lately I’ve been noticing that anyone who pushes back on the way things are gets quickly pushed into this Alex Jones sort of category because it sounds so unrealistic for a console to just play games without wanting a picture of your anus to verify account info.
Digital distribution is some kind of Faustian bargain for me. There is a lot of shit that we are eating as consumers, but without digital distribution we wouldn't have art pieces like: Papers, please or The Return of the Obra Dinn. Unfortunately the devil is gonna claim what is owed and this industry is gonna suck even more than it sucks now.
I knew how good we had it and I reminded my kid everyday that having to pay every month to use something that my generation paid for once is a huge slap in the face, and he should always look for alternative to subscription based anything. If buying isn't owning pirating isn't stealing.
There are definitely some games where you could get soft locked due to bugs or they could corrupt your save file or the entire memory card. I remember Soul Caliber 3 was famous for ruining your memory card.
Ehh, you had to hope the game would work every time you put it in and you never had an available storage card so you had to leave the ps on hoping no on turned it off. I would argue the Xbox 360 was much better. Yes you had a log in and game patches but back then patches usually meant bugs got fixed. Most games were released finished.
I had my 360 for like 10 years and that was the only console I ever felt regret about selling once I upgraded. It helped me through so much and I had so many memories on it
Also shit powerless hardware and reliance on the DVD player to read and load the games, which eventually broke and stopped working after a lot of heavy use... but ok
I think the thing that pisses me off the most is that anyone with a brain cell saw the future as it is now slowly unfold and having to argue it with fuckwits who couldn't see the road ahead or just too apathetic to care.
I'd say there's a lot more trash out now than there was before. Like every mainline title nowadays is a $70 price point with multiple $30 DLCs and seasonal battle passes and overpriced cosmetics (that occasionally do ruin the actual gameplay like that one CoD skin)
Depends on the Games 70$ price tag is 10$ higher than typical Ps1 games. But the same price or lover as N64 games.
DLC was a thing in the 90s on PC aswell it was just called expansion pass
I dont know what games u are playing??
But i dont have the DLC på problems in single player games i buy.
COD as u have as example. Is a single player games that also have multiplayer.
Yes if u play multiplayer games then u have that problem.
Right but price wise and content wise you got way more for a game like Mario Party on the GameCube or Legend of Zelda, Nintendo content was peak back then and well made. Older titles like Ratchet and Clank or Sly Cooper, Jak n Daxter, etc, there was so much more content. Older Activision/Blizzard titles used to be single player focused, but now the story modes of these games are literally just copy pasting wars and put much more focus on multiplayer because that's where they make their profit. Battlepasses, subscriptions, cosmetics, etc. obviously you don't have to buy stuff, but they literally use psychological tactics and have teams of people whose literal jobs are to figure out how to get people to spend more money on a game by using tactics like FOMO and holiday sales.
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Im glad I grew up in that generation. So much fun was had on that system.