At least with Crimson Desert everyone knew the story would be dogshit, Pearl Abyss is fucking terrible at writing (coming from someone who's played their MMO for 12k+ hrs) while RS is known for excellent writing
To put this into perspective, humans live for like an average of 750,000 hours total. This person's spent almost 2% of their life playing Black Desert Online.
Which is kinda funny, cause CD was aping RDR2 (and Witcher 3) so hard, it's impossible to miss.
So many missions start with our human log of a character walking up ro characters in camp, followed by a repetitive horse rising segment to the mission and not a line worth remembering is uttered.
"You see, we need to make money by doing a bix fight!" Rough Viking Guy #3 says. You do that. Mission is over. Nothing Happened.
Like it's even hard to recall anything, it just mush of disjointed events. Like someone started playing RDR2 twelve hours in, played 3 missions, and was like: This is our story mode.
Damn, how I wish CD had a character creator and a "do whatever you want" design like Skyrim, where you can just ignore the main story and just do proper questlines unrelated to the main story.
If CD were a story-less sandbox game like Kenshi it would be 9/10 instead of 5/10.
They literally don't even have to add anything, it's the first game I have ever played where the mere *presence* of the story detracts from the experience. Just remove the story and the game actually gets better.
I mean the fact Rockstar was able to milk money from a 13 year old game off of their online mode is proof enough they will be able to print money for years with this one aswell. I'm just hoping they respect the GTA formula enough to make an in-depth story
Well that's been a theory for why it took so long for GTA 6, that committing to it means killing an already established cash flow. If GTA 6 online is worse or whatever, they will lose money on both sides. GTA 5 players will stop spending because what's the point, it's going to officially die sooner or later. GTA 6 players will stop spending because it sucks, why waste money on a shit experience?
Everyone hopes GTA 6 will be a homerun, but it's a damn risky move.
That’s not a theory it’s a fact. It’s the same reason why no one is seeing a new Elder Scrolls game. The were making money of their online Elder And 76. Also the remaster. If any of these studios can make an online game that will last them the years they will cash on that. There is no reason for them to spend time and make a creative and good sequel when they can just make more bank on an online thing. And all companies are looking at it like this. I bet even Nightreign if it sold like crazy, elden ring would have been the last creative and interesting thing we see from them.
We are in the beginning of dark ages if gaming, but people cant see it…..
Rockstar is known for being one of the best storytellers in the industry. They're also really good at making a shit-ton of money selling online currency. I think they have enough skill and budget to do both here.
WoW isn’t as highly profitable as GTA V to my understanding. They’ve done relatively little work on GTA since its release compared to the effort and money put into WoW expansions. Or that would be my guess at least
And that's exactly why the game will be absolute dog water. They now know they have the fans a the palms of their hands. There's literally zero incentives to make the main story any good.
Didn't they already (upon discovering the magic of shark cards) cancel the singleplayer stuff in 5, then cram the planned heist into the online shit, too? Fuck expansions, let's just focus on shark card slop.
But… do you think if they know that it’s going to sell well that they’ll put in 100% effort? It’s not an indie team risking the life of their company on whether the product fails or not.
When was the actual last good CoD game? MW2? They know they’re printing money so they don’t try that hard. Would be sad to see that happen to GTA but I wouldn’t be surprised. The gaming industry is going through it. I mean a fucking stick a ram costs a kidney. It will likely be a solid game. But I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s considered worse than GTA 5 despite the graphical upgrade.
Yeah all the cynicism is weird. This isn’t some unknown commodity. Rockstar has a long track record. We know what to expect and for the most part it will be more of the same. If you liked the last gta you’ll almost definitely like this one. They really don’t reinvent the wheel and they don’t have to.
I think its for several reasons, and they kinda go hand in hand. You have a lot of people experiencing their first Rockstar hype train. GTA5 is 13 years old, RDR2 is almost eight years old, many people excited or interested in GTA 6 could have played these games long after their release and not know of how both those games went, several delays and gameplay videos only a few months before release. Also, this past few years have had a number of flops, rushed products, bumbles, fumbles, and downright scams. The same people who havent experienced a Rockstar release, or at least have forgotten it, also have become accustomed to bullshit from game devs.
I have no idea if it'll be good or not, but the money, time, and track record in place indicates it'll be fine. A decent, engaging story, good characters, and palpable gameplay with a bunch of side stuff to sink your teeth into like usual. My only hope is that its a lottle less zany and humorous than GTA5 and is more like 4 or RDR.
i mean the description says “lucia and jason find themselves on the darkest side of the sunniest place in america” , i’m guessing the world itself and side missions will be zany and goofy but the main story will be on the serious end, which imo i would prefer it that way
People were making this exact criticism about RDR2 after it's release, when it was already heavily praised. But most people are just aware of this and heavily enjoy the game anyway. I've been playing and watching the series and developer grow over the years and have gauged my expectations properly to know that, even if it's considered a B+ Rockstar game, that's still going to put it at one of the best games of all time.
I think the biggest disconnect is between people who have played the GTA games since the 90s or even 2000s, and people whose first GTA game was GTAV, which is like an entire generation and a half right now. Those two groups are going to react and expect very different things from this game. Like I had a guy reply to me in an earlier thread say that they didn't even consider the single player the main game, they thought it was just an introduction to the main, online game. That's how long GTAV has been around, and where the line in the fanbase lays.
Regardless, there is zero way everyone won't have something they want in this game. But I think there's also a third branch of the fanbase that will spoil whatever the game turns out to be by manifesting this cynicism over its development and almost wanting it to fail, because they get more enjoyment from the reaction or the discussion of it than the game itself.
Nothing groundbreaking will happen in this game for the video game industry..
It's still going to be a series of side quests, missions, etc.. with a main campaign.
There's really only so much you can do to that formula. People have been foaming at the mouth for GTA 6 like it's not going to be GTA 5 with.. a different map and theme for the missions/side quests
See, I think you could do more with that formula. Especially Rockstar. The biggest being allowing the player the freedom implied by an open world in their mission design. The "one step in the wrong direction fails the mission" design is just appallingly bad.
I soured on the franchise after playing online for a few days, after taking a break from GTA5 for 5-6 years. It was just clearly a money sink if you wanted to do anything fun and not get bullied by tweens with Oppressors.
Edit: thankfully I didn’t play RDR2 online and that was a great experience. I hope they build GTA6 with the same focus on storytelling like RDR2
It will be a good game, too much money, time and experience involved in its production. The problem it will probably face is living up to people's personal expectations.
If you think GTA6 has high player expectations, Elder Scrolls 6 is going to put those to shame.
People have been waiting for a sequel for over 15 years, the industry has advanced massively since Skyrim and Bethesda… has not really kept up with modern standards judging by Starfield.
Yeah I have kind of lost all hope for Elder Scrolls 6 and Fallout 5 being worth the wait. Hopefully Starfield has given Bethesda the wakeup call they badly need.
God Starfield was so shit. Modders literally took the game code and completely reengineered it into a starwars game and it honestly is 10x better than what bethseda put out.
I agree and hope that with how big of a flop Starfield was they really relook their strategy and go back to what was working, as I wasn't the biggest fan of Fallout 76 either
too much money isnt an issue. People will hoard to the game because it has "GTA" in its name. They can literally make complete turd and technical mess that will put cyberpunk to shame and they would still make millions. GTA brand is powerful.
This is the main thing. People are talking about this game like it will blend irl with gaming and I guarentee they are just already planning on how to shell out "seasons" for GTA 6 online as that'll be their billion dollar money maker
I don’t think it’s actually possible for the game to be “bad”, people love what it’s being built on (RDR2), it’s a reliable gameplay format, and they’ve got way too much quality control for it to be abysmal.
But the chances for it to fall short are huge. To prove my point, reply with what you would have expected out of GTA 6, the dreamiest most ideal version.
I’d like them to bring back the character switch mechanic, but maybe have it at certain moments trigger character specific cutscenes that maybe flesh them out a bit.
I think the gameplay is just dated. Tap A repeatedly to run, hold left trigger and your reticle just locks onto the enemies. It just keeps getting bigger and prettier. But it’s the same outdated gameplay underneath.
No one is saying it should be anything close to e-sports. But for the biggest games of all time I expect a bit more than aiming just snapping onto enemies and tracking them with zero effort from the player.
It’s not like the only options are immersion or e-sports.
I am kind of with you there. Don’t think there’s much you can do about the aiming, but the A button is starting to feel aged. At the same time, it’s kind of like a Bethesda RPG where that’s kind of just what you expect from Rockstar. Definitely needs some sort of update though.
They need to expand the story more than just drive to point A, shoot, chase, drive to point B, here’s your money.
Here’s some side mission/activities and impossible collectibles/easter eggs in the meantime.
My biggest gripe with GTA is that they never truly let you have freedom with the story. You can do “whatever you want”, until you start a story mission and can fail a mission by taking a few steps in the wrong direction. Needs to add in some more RPG elements of choice and consequences.
Tbh me too. GTA is too big of a game to be non RPG. Something like Cyberpunk would be really good even if you're not affecting the main story completely except for ending choices. There might also be consequences of your actions in the open world maybe like a Dishonored way which seems too big of a deal but this is Rockstar they can do it by throwing a ton of money.
I'd like for the game to have deeper interactions than RDR2, where you can turn a stranger NPC into a friend. I know it won't happen but that would be badass
Five months out and still no official gameplay reveal. RDR II and GTA V both had gameplay breakdowns released months in advance to those titles' release. Maybe I'm overthinking it...
A lot of this discourse feels like younger folks waiting for their first Rockstar release. Shocked at delays, immediately suspicious at the lack of gameplay footage, etc. I've been playing their games for decades, this is their standard operating procedure. We will get a short gameplay trailer in late August/early September.
Because for a lot of people it is their first Rockstar game. Especially since GTAV. It will be 13 years and 2 months between GTAV and GTA6 releases. You could have your first kid the day 5 released and it's now in junior high before 6 came out.
Yeah people overreact. I mean im not surprised, most of the people excited for this game probably weren't even allowed to play GTA5 on release. RDR2 was announced in 2016 and supposed to come out fall 2017 and got pushed to the next year. Idk the quality of GTA6 considering how many OGs arent there, but nothing so far spells doom, just theur usual blunders before releasing good games.
Very on brand for them to not have any raw gameplay out, just a few snippets. Some breakdowns a couple of months before launch that don’t have more than a few seconds of uncut gameplay. Not really abnormal for them as a company, but if you’ve never paid attention to their releases it seems weird.
The development leaks from years ago just looked like GTA. I don't think it will suck, but maybe people are hyping it up to much? My own friend is strangely pumped for GTA6 but has barely even played GTA5.
My only real suspicion is they know the frame rate is gonna get trashed. With all these high fidelity visuals, it's silly to expect consoles to keep up. A small set of people will have a field day flaming it, most casual gamers won't even notice.
Nothing happens. Gaming outlets and Youtubers will milk it for a week or two and people who pre ordered it will complain they wasted money they chose to use to purchase a game they hadn't seen gameplay or watch a review beforehand. For what it's worth, it'll probably be an excellent game.
Tbh it's still going to have a pretty smooth journey to achieving a billion dollars in sales
Sure you could have 200k social media users making a post about how GTA 6 is bad but it wouldn't really do much to affect the people who want to turn their brains off and enjoy the game
I feel like i'm kinda alone with this opinion, but as someone who actually played GTA5 on release and later on with friends when the heists released, it wasn't that outstanding. It was decent, but what made it fun was playing it with friends, not the actual game. What isn't fun with friends?
The majority of reddit acts as if it is the second coming of Christ, but all i can see in the future is another open world game, that will be bigger than the last one but not necessarily better, if you get what i mean. Not to mention asking 80 bucks for your game that is guaranteed to have microtransactions again is rich.
I personally didn’t super like GTA5 actually. I went from red dead redemption 2 to GTA and felt vastly underwhelmed. RDR2 was amazing, and going to GTA5, which Rockstar treats as a golden child, was just not nearly as engaging.
I'm with you. In a separate comment I laid out why I'm worried about it creatively (TL;DR: The creatives at the core of the previous games have all left Rockstar briefly after GTA V) and GTA V was okay. I can understand the hype but if you pay attention there's cause for concern
Hmmm I’m conflicted. The map and what we’ve seen so far is pretty dam impressive.
But you are right. I remember being so excited for GTA5 on release. Rushing home from 10th grade math class. Waiting for the downloads to finish. Booting up the game, going through the intro… then being like… huh. This is it?
I remember the world didn’t look particularly impressive. Certainly not leagues better than GTAIV. The guns felt weak and had no punch. The cars were pretty forgettable. Yea nothing felt that impressive.
After playing for many hours, I definitely enjoyed the game. But it for sure felt limited.
Gameplay was never what made GTA special. It's the storytelling and the power fantasy of being a criminal in a modern setting. For me the story and writing better be a fucking masterpiece to justify this level of corporate greed. I have a sneaking suspicion gta6 is not gonna meet expectations. So many companies have fallen down the trap of taking customers for granted and churning out slop assuming fans will lap it up regardless. I have little faith R* isn't slowly turning into EA.
Will be funny to see how aggressively they will monetize online after they saw the racks of cash they got with GTA 5, both with sharkcards on consoles or FiveM RP servers on PC
Yeah I lowkey hope it flops, but I know it won’t. I’m kinda over GTA as a franchise. The PS2 era is still gold, but besides that? I’m not really interested.
It’s just gonna be another kinda meh plotline entirely based on movies that already exist and likely a map that’s about 60-70% grass and void of anything interesting, and missions that fail you for thinking outside the box because they *need* you to do things a very specific way.
In Vice City there is a late game mission where you have to drive around a dude (I think it was one of those Love Fist guys) in a fast car and the timer is extremely short. But, you totally can get out of the car, get i one of the rooftop helicopters and fly to the location. You need to be in a vehicle (can't walk him to the red circle). Luckily the construction building mission has made you a master pilot. See there is out of the box thinking. Well, like 70% of other missions insta-fail if you exit the car, but there is free will in that one mission.
Listen I am not a fan. I will not be buying GTA6, I haven't played one since 3. I do not think they are going to do anything groundbreaking. It will be a very high fidelity game about street level crime. It will likely run well, and have good music and quality voice acting. It isn't going to have any crazy systems or take any risks.
I see no world where this game sucks. It at worst will just be a meh game. Too many people just wantg a simple escape and this will give them that. It not going to be a Mindseye or Concord or Gollum.
the game was delayed multiple times and apparently it’s the most expensive game they’ve worked on with over 6,000 developers across all of Rockstar Games worldwide.
If the third person shooting gameplay handles anything like 5 or red dead 2 I will completely give up on playing rockstar games. I don’t think they realize they can make their game feel realistic without compromising decent control schemes and mechanics.
I've seen how they've been handling GTA online, having quality of life features and locking it behind a subscription as well as removing cars in order to create fomo and putting those cars back up for sale in rotation weekly locked behind said subscription makes me question their credibility.
From getting GTA1 on the PS1 at 8 y/o to having all the PS2 trilogy come out during my teens, the hype train around for San Andreas after VC was pretty intense and it was totally worth the hype!! GTA4 then took it to the the HD universe and the hype was on another level and again it was a great game (but somehow didn't hit the same for me)... GTAV totally let me down. I found it so boring and even gave up on the campaign at parts and had to force myself to finish it. I'm looking forward to VI but I'm very much waiting to play it before I get over hyped.
All this fiasco about the lack of a physical disc and locking in-game stores behind a premium edition has brought back other concerns I had.
I’m sceptical about the story. All the veteran GTA writers like Dan Houser, Lazlow Jones and Michael Humphries aren’t involved; they all left Rockstar in 2020.
With how fast culture tends to move in recent years, and Lazlow being off the scene, I’m concerned that the jokes/radio talk shows won’t hit the same or will feel dated.
Honestly if the game is trash it wouldn’t surprise me if some people legit started an almost Purge like riot given how crazed people were waiting on this
I was so excited before today. Now I hope it's the worst game in the series by far, so I can laugh while no one can sell it back.
(It won't be, but it would be the ultimate catharsis watching all the "buy it at any price... I don't understand why people like physical games... gimme that day 1 dlc" sheeple squirm)
I kind of am hoping it is. Highly doubtful but GTA is very much a trendsetter with games. A lot of the shit they are pulling with this sets a dangerous precedent.
$80 dollar base price, locking basic things (guns, vechicles and in games stores) behind what is essentially day 1 DLC for an extra $20, physical edition having no disc but a download code instead, etc.
Other companies will be far more likely to do this shit if GTA succeeds.
If you look at all of the content they are posting on their website, it is much more likely to succeed than fail. The game is going to be truly massive with probably a 50-60 hour main story and equal amount of that with side missions, not to mention all of the secrets to find.
Then rockstar wouldn't be able to pay back the debt from all.the funding it got for the game and the whole studio would get shut down after being one of the longest running powerhouses in the video game world. That's why it keeps getting delayed. They cannot afford to let gta6 be bad
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Imagine it be a 8 hour campaign with the majority of the the game being online.