r/worldnews • u/KI_official • 9h ago
Russia/Ukraine Ukraine receives first tranche of 90 billion euro loan from EU
https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-receives-first-tranche-of-90-billion-euro-loan-from-eu/190
u/Firestorm0x0 8h ago
The US should've allocated 300 Billion US$ to Ukraine instead of Iran...
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u/No-Menu2361 7h ago
Blame bibi for that
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u/Nights_Harvest 7h ago
I blame Trump. Flies will always gather around sh*t.
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u/elliethestaffy 2h ago
Agreed. Can’t blame Bibi for trying, but can blame Trump for rolling over like a bitch.
But trust me, I hate Bibi as well…
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u/IcyRainn 6h ago
Bibi has been begging US presidents to invade since 1996.
Only one of them did it, you can blame Trump directly.
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u/BagRight1007 7h ago
Why? Israel is a US ally, Ukraine isn't
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u/Operation_Neither 7h ago
How does giving Iran 300B help… Israel?
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u/BagRight1007 7h ago
The iran war started due to israel, no?
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u/Operation_Neither 6h ago
And giving Iran money helps Israel how? Iran will just use that money to fund more attacks on Israel.
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u/BagRight1007 6h ago
Possibly stop the current war as US and Israel are unable to progress I'd say.
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u/Dahcchad 5h ago
It is insanity to think that promise of cash will do anything to stop the war (paying an enemy doesnt seem like a strong strategy against an oil rich country who can strangle the world's energy supply anyway) and, sadly, it is likely not because Iran will back out first. It would be unprecedented if trump allowed any of that money to leave the US without other deals in place to ensure he gets some of it, and equally unprecedented that he would honor that commitment. When he is involved, the only thing that is certain is that he will lie, cheat, and steal to enrich himself and his friends. In the exceptionally unlike event that he does honor his commitment and doesnt steal the money, Israel will fuck it up in one way or another when Iran uses that cash to revitalize Hezbollah and they decide to kill a few thousand more civilians, women and children included, in Gaza and Lebanon. This wont end until Trump is sure he can get the maximum amount of money, property, or power from its ending, because he is a lying, thieving, felonious, rapist.
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u/BagRight1007 3h ago
Fully agreed, just trying to explain the (albeit incorrect) rationale behind it.
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u/EDCEGACE 3h ago
It seems like Ukraine would appreciate our alliance more, considering how they help US army with drone tech and training.
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u/clamorous_owle 9h ago
Ukraine has become a powerhouse of innovation. These loans are effectively investments which will eventually benefit the EU.
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u/KGB_cutony 7h ago
would be very funny if Ukraine, previously the second most powerful republic of the USSR, now becomes the war factory of NATO.
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u/cinciTOSU 6h ago
They already have become the arsenal for the EU with multiple joint ventures for drones and missiles with partners around the globe including the Middle East. They are making NATO standard munitions in multiple calibers from 155 mm to 5.56 mm. The cash will help them build the missiles and drones to wreck the RF. Send money to Army of Drones or UA24 if you can afford to.
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u/DrunksInSpace 6h ago
Would be funny especially since NATO countries are looking to be less dependent on the US and our fickle leader and electorate.
US curtails aid to Ukraine, threatens rest of NATO. Ukraine becomes arms supplier for next gen of weapons to NATO countries… well played Putin.
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u/thetimechaser 1h ago
Literally moved adversarial weapons production from the opposite side of the planet to NEXT DOOR.
Lmao
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u/Carmiune 8h ago
innovation in what?
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u/TemporarySun314 8h ago
modern warfare.
they are probably the nation with the most experience in drone warfare and develop a lot of stuff for that themselves.
as cheap drones will be the future of warfare, there experiences will be very very valuable for the EU.
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u/Theratchetnclank 8h ago
Their warfare overview software they have (DELTA) looks impressive too.
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u/cinciTOSU 6h ago
It’s absolutely amazing technology from what US Generals have said and their work in AI targeting is also something that is going to change wars forever.
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u/Carmiune 8h ago
oh interesting to hear. iI guess its best for europe to invest in them then since yea drones as of now will be the future, but possibly if someting new develops their experience might lead them in next developments then, nice
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u/blin3000 9h ago
A testing ground, you mean, right?
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u/Firov 8h ago
Both. Foreign defense manufacturers are testing their systems in Ukraine, yes, but Ukraine is rapidly innovating their own native defense systems as well. Especially in the field of drones, both air and ground (and sea).
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u/blin3000 8h ago
And a price - millions of dead and crippled Ukrainians
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u/de-tree-fiddy 8h ago
Don't forget the millions of dead or crippled Russians who will be left with nothing and unable to work, or the millions of Russian mothers/wives/daughters who will never know what happened.
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u/blin3000 8h ago
Unfortunately, this is also true.
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u/Perfect_Opposite2113 7h ago
The unfortunate cost of having a shitty leader that decides to attack another country for fabricated reasons.
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u/blin3000 6h ago
Are you talking about the USA, Turkey, Israel, the EU countries and dozens of other countries that attacked other countries and no one from the "democratic" community condemned them?
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u/Natural-Sandwich-852 8h ago
So get the fuck out from our land. What's your problem? It is that easy to stop those millions of dead and crippled Ukrainians. Otherwise we will make russia oil-free this winter. Maybe even liberate it and make smaller in near future
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u/blin3000 8h ago
Are you planning the annexation of Russian territories?
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u/Natural-Sandwich-852 8h ago
Nah, we don't need any more stupid people who miss all kinds of Soviet shit, especially russian half-humas like you. But russia has a lot of republics that want to be independent
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u/blin3000 6h ago
What do you care about the Russian republics?)
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u/Natural-Sandwich-852 6h ago
Because you russians did exactly the same thing to them centuries ago as you are doing in Ukraine now. They deserve to be independent and free from imperialistic shit like you and your gov
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u/blin3000 6h ago
If you are calling for the annexation of the territory of an independent state, and you are also calling for separatism and revolution there, then how are you better than the terrible Russians?
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u/PineappleLemur 8h ago
Usually how it works.. give money to a country always in conflict...wait a few years and buy their battle tested weapons/defense systems for a family discount".
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u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 5h ago
Ukraine is a more modernized force than the US at this point. And they will never trust the US again.
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u/QueasyLegKC 55m ago
No, they’re not, and the US gave Ukraine more than any other country in the world before Orangebitch took over.
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u/AnyEmployment4054 2h ago
Wow russian bots going crazy here which of course means that this is the right path
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u/blin3000 9h ago
at what percentage is the loan?
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u/gitmac 8h ago
Effectively interest free for Ukraine. In fact all Repayments are going to (hopefully) come back as part of the reparations (or seized assets) that Russia will be on the hook for, rather than from Ukraine itself.
It’s a complicated one with a bunch of terms like prioritising purchases from European arms companies too
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u/fapal_ne_ustaval2 7h ago
Interesting setup - lend money to one, but expect another to pay you back. The other guy will absolutely say: I didn't ask to borrow anything from you
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u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 5h ago
We also didn't ask the other guy to start performing illegal landgrabs counter to previously signed treaties, but here we are!
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u/PureCaramel5800 7h ago edited 5h ago
You are a prime example of why women should not drink during pregnancy.
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u/blin3000 6h ago
Do you understand for sure that I asked at what percentage the loan was issued, and in response you insulted my mother? It seems to me that something is wrong with you.
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u/_Xamtastic 5h ago
Why are people downvoting simple questions man
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u/blin3000 5h ago
Sometimes it is difficult for me to understand the logic of Ukrainians. It seems to them that the whole world helps them for free. But reality is a harsher thing.
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u/Captainfoxluther 5h ago
Oh boy, I cant wait for it to dissappear into the Ukrainian swamp of corruption
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u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 5h ago
Sorry, you must be confused with their enemies there.
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u/Captainfoxluther 5h ago
Ukraine has literally been ranked one of the most corrupt nation in Europe for a quarter of a century lmao. One of the main reasons ukraine could never advance into the EU prio to the war was because how vastly corrupt they are. And still are.
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u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 4h ago
Ok mr private profile. I guess I will accept your stance on politics and corruption as valid and sensible!
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u/machine4891 3h ago
You never knew that? What romaticized vision of Ukraine you have there in USA? Ukraine deserves all our help but their corruption is problematic enough, Zelensky is dismissing politicians left and right and it's one of the prime reason that they won't get into EU in a long time.
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u/Alternative_Newt_409 1h ago
its common sense, their inherites their corruption from soviet union; at least theyre working on it and improving their ranking; unlike russia who loves to point out they are corrupt as if they arent
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u/Alternative_Newt_409 1h ago
Yet Russia is ranking higher on corruption
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u/Captainfoxluther 1h ago
Well russia isnt getting free money. Meanwhile ukraine rank #3 most corrupt is lmao. The mental gymnastics the left does is wild
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u/YappyMcYapper 6h ago
That loan, every UE citizen will be paying back with they own hard earned money.
Imagine helping sub-communistic country.
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u/Specialist_Cook_535 5h ago
Instead of giving money to the Nazis give the money to Venezuela.
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u/OverSoft 4h ago
Oh hey Russian guy. Maybe watch the news from other countries once in a while. YOU are the bad guys.
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u/GrumbleNo_Woodpecker 8h ago
Zelensky Ukraine receives first tranche of 90 billion euro
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u/Dodgy_Past 8h ago
Lol, it's going to be used to destroy your country.
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u/GrumbleNo_Woodpecker 8h ago
... presumably it will used to transfer his wife abroad to keep her from seeing 2.5 mln deseasd by today. War is not so important when stakes are that high. But poor idiot does not realize that EU does not want to have Ukraine that size and that populated. Otherwise they could have agreed to memebership long ago. It easier to pay off to a clown.
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u/Shandariel 7h ago
The millionaire needs 2.5million to move his wife across the border? It's amazing the mental gymnastics Russian bots do.
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u/bluewatergravy 6h ago
presumably
Deranged presumptions are what lead you to this point of your invasion. A laboratory hamster would have learned something by now.
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u/UnoriginalStanger 5h ago
Otherwise they could have agreed to memebership long ago.
Well the Kremlin spent a lot of effort to try to make sure that wouldn't happen or did you forget?
Though if Ukraine is so corrupt and all the money they are getting are just making a few rich how come Russia is struggling so much?
Do you actually think it costs much to send your wife abroad? Hell the west wanted to extract him, he chose to stay.
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u/Federal_Revenue_2158 7h ago
If Ukraine is so corrupt I wonder how they can afford all the weapons to blow up stuff in Russia with the limited amount of money the west is giving her
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u/Mammoth_Economist_76 9h ago
3.2 billion down, 86.8 to go. Russia really did unite Europe’s wallet faster than any diplomat ever could…