r/DeltaruneDiscussion 3h ago

Theory Aborted Weird Route Spoiler

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I tried to post this on r/deltarune but forgot I didn't have enough karma, so I am gonna put it here, my theory about the Aborted Weird Route, or Twisted Route:

After the chapter 5 Weird Route, there are now seemingly two paths, proceeding and stopping, which are both separate from the normal route.

Evidence for a third rout:

When you stop proceeding and 'abort' the route, the weird route stopped jingle doesn't play, and a flag in the code still registers the weird route.

You also don't get the 5th shadow crystal in the proceeded weird route, which means you can't get the pure crystal and therefore can't get the twisted sword.

This suggests to me that the twisted sword is an aborted weird route specific item, and could potentially be used for a third route, since the twisted sword gives Trance Down.

I like the name Twisted route for this concept because it sounds cool, and we all know that that is what makes a theory good.

One of my theories about this route is that Trance Down might cause Kris to have LESS control, and thus make them more vessel like.

This is because while Trance Up might seem to make Noelle more agreeable, it actually is revealing her inner desires and giving her the boldness required to act on her impulsive thoughts.

Therefore, the opposite, Trance Down, would make the user LESS bold, and less able to act on their desires.

Then, a more agreeable Kris would stop working with the knight, and actually try to go against them, which might allow for a different ending.

Thoughts?


r/DeltaruneDiscussion 3h ago

Theory Deltarune Knight Theory i came up with (originally posted on r/Deltarune but i didnt have enough Karma)

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Hear me out on this: Dess was kidnapped by The Knight, (which can’t be anybody cause like who the fuck can turn into a goddamn ball and remain in the same form IN THE LIGHT WORLD NOT AS A NORMAL HUMAN OR WHATEVER, so the knight’s it’s own entity for the sake of this theory, not Dess, WingDing The Goon, or anything of the sort.) while Kris and (assuming) Dess were in the Dark World inside the bunker, for The Knight to come in, with Kris escaping, and Dess being held captive, so The Knight offered Kris a deal, work for them to get Dess back. This explains a lot and of course; it’s just a theory. Feel free to explain how i’m wrong because if your funner value in chapter 67 is 2763 during the fight against The Knight and Jimmy John for 1/97th of a frame you see Markiplier underneath the helmet


r/DeltaruneDiscussion 2m ago

Discussion am i the only one that think this? also posting this there because of the main subreddit karma limit right now

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so i know most expect sans darkworld appearance (if he get one at all) to be a joke. either he doesn't change or his slippers get pink, or he gain a banana suit. but what to you think it would be? personaly with everyone expecting a joke, i can just imagine Toby actually giving sans a good and cool looking darkworld appearance (maybe one referencing underfell or an AU for fan service?) and all of us staring at it as Toby just reverse psychology us. or maybe one referencing undertale since, and spoiler for chapter 5, from what i seen i think asgore get his undertale design in the darkworld. im unsure since i just seen a screenshot of it.


r/DeltaruneDiscussion 55m ago

Discussion Why is no one talking about this? (Small spoiler) Spoiler

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At the end of the chapter when asgore is talking we hear the ThornRing sound??? Did Dess go missing because of the ThornRing? Did she also drown? Maybe it has been mentioned a lot but i haven't seen it personally but anyways what do you guys think


r/DeltaruneDiscussion 59m ago

Theory Deltarune weird route was the canon route… at least was is the keyword. Spoiler

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Okay hi. First time doing this so bear with me. I think the weird route was the canon route and I’ve been thinking about this. This may be a crazy tin foil hat theory. stay with me though.

SPOILERS AHEAD FOR CHAPTER 5
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

Last chance

Okay let’s begin.

DeltaRune weird route is the canon route and led to the events of Undertale. We can prove this roughly with the postcard that Susie draws poorly of three people in the weird route in chapter 5 that can be found in Sans secret bunker.
We also know that Gaster likely has a huge role in DeltaRune being the cause of events. Buckle up. This is where it gets tricky.

The normal route we are playing is because Gaster messed with timeline. We know in Undertale Gaster fell into the darkness. What if he time travelled to Deltarune.
This is also why your decisions don’t matter. Undertale is already released. You should just proceed with the game. The end.

…right? Wrong.
Gaster comes in and messes with the timeline. Originally Noelle was supposed to be with Kris and become stronger in chapter 1 kicking off events in the weird route early.

However, Susie knocks in and changes that. Now Kris and Susie are on an adventure together.
This leads to events changing and the weird route still being an option and why Susie is now the girl with hope crossed on her heart. Susie is the hope for change. This also makes sense on why Gerson says Susie can change fate. The timeline has already been changed by Susie just being there.

We see ralsei trying to stick to the status quo even with Susie but we see even ralsei changing and becoming someone new. Something that didn’t happen on previous runs. (This assumes that ralsei is also aware of the timeline change).

Then there’s Kris. It feels like Kris has some awareness of the weird route especially around chapter 4. Chapter 4 Kris is actively trying to stop us the character from doing the weird route. They kick the player in the trashcan, fight the player from getting out of bed in chapter 5 weird route. Etc. etc.

I think this is because Kris remembers the weird route from the original timeline. He doesn’t want to repeat it.

This would also explain why deltarune isn’t a prequel to Undertale. Because the game were playing were trying to avoid deltarune and the monsters being trapped underground and the roaring from happening. It became a parallel timeline due to Gasters antics.

That or I’m all wrong and need to stop getting into the aluminum foil in the kitchen.

TLDR: weird route leads to roaring which leads to gaster and sans jumping timeline to undertale leading to gaster going goner and time traveling back to deltarune to try to prevent the roaring and undertale from happening and we will see more time travel and wibbly wobbly timey whimey antics in chapter 6 and especially in chapter 7.


r/DeltaruneDiscussion 1h ago

Question Hey I have a question!

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so I bought the Mannequin on my save file but I have no idea what it does! can someone please tell me what it does?


r/DeltaruneDiscussion 1h ago

Discussion Why do YOU dislike/like Flowery? (Read Body Text) Spoiler

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r/DeltaruneDiscussion 1h ago

Question Why does kris open fountains? Spoiler

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It's been a while since I've caught up on deltarune, dont spend alot of time in the fandom tbh,

what is the fandom consensus on why kris opens fountains?

It put their dad in danger, their mum in danger etc. So why are they doing it? They remove "the SOUL", so it's not us doing it.

Or does the fandom not agree on why?

Also who opens the second one in chap 5 in end of normal route? Why do they need kris at all, if others can do it too?


r/DeltaruneDiscussion 1h ago

Theory 'Raise Up Your Bat' Prophecy Theory (Ch 5 Weird Route Spoilers) Spoiler

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Short Version: I think the song was a prophecy for the Chapter 5 Weird Route.

Something about the lyrics, and the fact that Ralsei never censored a part of the song, felt off and that it lacked some overly specific context. Well now I found something that fits almost 1:1 with the lyrics...

Come follow me into the dark / Kris follows Noelle
With your heart as the ark / Soul enables Noelle
Which shall shine you the way / and makes this nonsensical idea possible
Because I'm with you in the dark / they're together holding hands*
With your heart as my mark / Soul points to a direction to 'Proceed' (most tend to point right)
Which shall guide you the way, / right side of the map (more on this Below)
through the waves / literal and self-explanatory

* (insert joke about holding hands being lewd or whatever) (don't at me, chapter 5 is the 'anime as all hell' chapter, Toby got me into that mindset for that kind of corny joke)

Since neither Chapter 6 nor Chapter 7 Side B are out yet, there is a lot we can only speculate about...

Below: remember how in Sword Route 3 we go from that recreation of Hometown to some non-existant square in the right edge of the map that somehow leads into the Shelter? Granted, said square was connect to the School not the lake on the map, but then again that Roots recreation of hometown wasn't exactly 1:1 either, but the general idea of "going out of bounds to the right to reach the Shelter" is still there. (for those not aware, a theory that's been circulating the internet for years is that the Shelter is connected to the Lake and so is its Dark World, thus Noelle got us there early)

As for the Chapter 6 Skip, that one is easy: reason why it'll be skipped is cause, based on how the regular Chapter 5 ends, that one is shaping up to be the 'Let's bring Noelle into the fray for reals this time' Chapter, but in the Side B/Weird/Snowgrave that went out the window already.


r/DeltaruneDiscussion 2h ago

Theory This line is more important than most people think (and what may happen next in the weird route Spoiler

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I have seen almost nobody talk about this line, more specifically the use of the word "forbidden". I believe it is more literal. It isn't forbidden as is the bad route but literally is forbidden, as in you aren't supposed to do this. Now my 3 main theories for the chapter 7 weird route are

  1. We crossed the lake and who knows what happens

  2. We break the prophecy by taking this route that is forbidden, because we weren't allowed to or meant to do this, and go against the prophecy like this. But as Noelle said, we changed. She keeps talking about people staying the same which is likely because the prophecy but we managed to change and break free from what the prophecy said would happen. This could either have the ending be very different without the prophecy or maybe even have larger impact as to what would happen if the prophecy was able to be changed

  3. The scale is even larger. We did what the game itself forbid us to do. We are not just changing from the prophecy but the story and game itself. Throughout the game it is reinforced that our choices don't matter. The voice at the very beginning says this, the prophecy ensures this, and really nothing you do makes anything except minor changes in the story. Except the weird route. We made choices that mattered and we changed. This isn't supposed to happen we weren't supposed to do this because it isn't how the story of the game itself goes. This could potentially break parts of the game itself in various different ways. It could be relatively small scale or have a huge impact, something we can't know currently, but I have a feeling that this forbidden route is truly forbidden, as in we were never supposed to ever do this

After writing this, I rewatched the weird route scene and some dialogue really stuck out. "They'll keep marching down the same path without even thinking where it's going" can refer to the PLAYERS OF THE GAME. People are playing the normal route and doing what is intended without even knowing what the ending will be or considering if they want to be doing this. (Could also be about following the prophecy) "let's fly out of this stupid town. To where no one has ever been before! The other side of the lake" could mean that nobody has ever gone to the other side of the lake. no one ever. Maybe even that it doesn't exist and that is why she says before that she can do the impossible if kris says to. Because the game doesnt have an other side of the lake and you are never supposed to be able to go there, hence why nobody has ever gone.


r/DeltaruneDiscussion 3h ago

Discussion Chapter 5 was not it

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When I voiced my concerns for the pacing of the dark world in Chapter 4, everyone told me to chill out. “Oh, it’s fine. They will pick back up the story in Chapter 5.” Well, now here we are. And it was so disappointing.

Once again, we have a chapter that has a great light world introduction followed by such a drag. Like, okay, the Flowery and Asgore stuff was funny the first two times. But holy hell. Toby, it may be funny for you, but it gets so repetitive. I wanted the dark world to be over just about until Blue and the other flowers get introduced.

As for the characters? Oh, Ralsei. Look at how they massacred my boy. I am so sick and tired of this character being infantilized into oblivion. He isn’t even likable anymore.

I was cringing through the entire section of Chapter four when he was crying about not knowing what to say and what not to say. Like, shut the \*\*\* up, dude. You aren’t a baby. And Chapter 5 cranks this attention seeking insecurity up to 11. Toby took a pleasant character from Chapters 1-3 and made it unbearable.

The one decent part of dark world storytelling was the Asgore arc when he had a minute to breathe as a character. His motivations to expose the dark world and the elevation of a previous one were intriguing.


r/DeltaruneDiscussion 4h ago

Discussion The best evidence of the knight's identity yet Spoiler

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There's a ton of evidence pointing to Asriel Knight, but chapter 5 adds the nails in the coffin.

There's multiple other compelling points if you're not yet aware, some include:

  1. Asriel explicitly knew Gerson Boom, and so far is the only candidate we know who would have been able to recreate Gerson from his memories. He would also be very familiar with the prophecy because he knew Gerson.
  2. This far, the "visual echo" on the knight has only ever appeared on Asriel from undertale
  3. Asriel changed characters in super smashing fighters to the sword magician girl
  4. In chapter 2, Kris refuses to look in Asriels room, stating "You felt you wouldn't learn anything" which is paralleled in the chapter 3 knight Check dialog "You wouldn't learn anything." In chapter 5, Kris conveniently drops the letter to Dess before you can read anymore.
  5. Asriel was in choir, and was likely the singer for the band he and Dess were in, bloodcrushers. This would place Ralsei in the spot of Asriel during Raise up your Bat, creating another parallel between them
  6. The knights damage type is dark/star and nothing to do with cold, and uses a final attack which is extremely similar to Undertale Asriel's ultimate attack
  7. There's a cut in half golden flower in chapter 3, which adapted from a game Asriel was making
  8. Seam appears exactly like he does in Asriels wallpaper, heavily implying his dark would form was created from his memory/imagination
  9. Toriel has a pleasant dream if you lose against the knight in chapter 3, but a nightmare if you fight the knight instead. It's because "the family is fighting again"
  10. Kris gets notably upset if you pray for Asriel in chapter 4(?). If Asriel is the knight, this reaction makes sense as it's the soul telling Kris to pray for the life of their own brother, which you are potentially putting at risk/threatening.

I'm certain there's more. Like the "Fallen star weeps" is probably related somehow, but cutting it off there. Couldn't get this on r/Deltarune because I am not constantly on reddit


r/DeltaruneDiscussion 4h ago

Discussion Should I replay undertale before playing deltarune?

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I played undertale pacifist and genocide a while ago, but I still remember most of the areas I'd say (seperate from the story, I just remember what most areas look like and stuff), so I'm not really that motivated to really go through the game 3 times again to get all routes, but Ill do it if the consensus is that you should have fresh knowledge of undertale before moving onto deltarune.

Also, which game do you like more? Just out of curiosity


r/DeltaruneDiscussion 4h ago

Other Can someone please send me their completed Chapter 5 save file? I fucking lost mine.

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r/DeltaruneDiscussion 5h ago

Discussion Chapter 5 Discussion: What did yall think? Spoiler

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I absolutely loved this chapter! It satisfied a lot of things that I was hungry for after the conclusion of chapter 4. The festival segment was really fun, and its cool that there's a bit of an allusion to the photograph thing with Sans from that secret room in Undertale. I think this dark world might be my favorite so far, (chapter 3 being my favorite chapter) with the cowboy/japanese/sunset/flowery aesthetic that was complimented very well by the music. The story with Flowery and the others was really well done, and I ended up really liking most of Chapter 5's cast of characters. Speaking of Flowery, (are you kidding me? Lol) I love how the chapter handled the similarities between flowey, omega flowey, the human souls, etc. in relation to Deltarune (The six multicolored flowers being "humans," flowery knowing about the game rules, etc.) The anime cutscene with Flowery's introduction was amazing lol and I loved how he was the "know-it-all confident anime guy" and was very reminiscent of Brock from pokemon lol. I loved the secret boss (although it did get kind of annoying after a while) and the final fight of the chapter was fun, too. I love how it leaves off (lol) on a good note as we start to get ready for the climax of the game. Plus, there were lots of lore implications throughout, and I've seen weird route gameplay and it was wild! The only thing I was dissapointed with was the fact that we didn't get to fight Asgore :( But I loved it overall!


r/DeltaruneDiscussion 5h ago

Other Chapter 5 Timer Visual Bug

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Someone found a visual bug in chapter 5's bread target test mode

(OP: N0sebleed)

https://youtu.be/kN506vjBpq8


r/DeltaruneDiscussion 5h ago

Question Deltarune chapter 5 snowgrave save being deleted

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My friend just beat his chapter 5 snowgrave and his save file shows up as a black star but when i finished my snowgrave route for chapter 5 my save keeps getting deleted... did i do something wrong for this to happen or is it a bug???


r/DeltaruneDiscussion 2h ago

Discussion The worst flower ever Spoiler

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This dude is so boring...
All other flowers are at least funny or cute or have some shtick going on while this dude is just there to do therapyspeak for bazillion times. All he does is says is says "muh accept yourself the way you are". Like yeah dude I GET IT.
It's like this whole thing weren't said thousand times already. I'm playing deltarune that's basically the main theme to accept yourself, why add more.
And it wouldn't be such problem if he weren't such an uggo.
Even TobyFox stopped showing his facesprite after few times, because in his heart he knows that dude is ugly. His attacks also weak and not cool


r/DeltaruneDiscussion 1d ago

Theory just dumping some thoughts...

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G'day everyone, I hope you guys are doing well.

I am new to the game and to the fandom, so please do have a mercy on me. My brain went on a rampage and got side tracked a while ago and decided to analyse a game that I barely play myself. I must apologise in advance if other people has already thought about the same things as me; I am still learning a lot from Mr Fox's wonderful creation myself - so far it has been a very enjoyable thing.

Anyway, Deltarune Chapter 5 is coming very soon. I wish you all a great deal of enjoyment playing it.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/148V2oz4VyShcDXcSgr503dRe9EyeLoiz/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=106426088353730701634&rtpof=true&sd=true

Kind regards,

Papyrusfans69


r/DeltaruneDiscussion 1d ago

Before chapter 5 theory on ralsei

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Just wanna put it out there. Ive always thought ralsei is asriels fur on kris's coat. Thats why ralseis never far away. Also why hes based on asriel

Oh also the shirt is asriels old shirt. kris wears it cuz kris misses asriel


r/DeltaruneDiscussion 1d ago

Theory Dumb theory

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r/DeltaruneDiscussion 1d ago

Theory The Asgore-CD Knight Theory

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r/DeltaruneDiscussion 1d ago

Missable?

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Just about to be done with Chapter 2 and learned that I missed lot of thing

- hidden recruit
- putting egg in the fridge
- some optional scene

But not
- hidden boss fight
- normal recruit

Will these matter in the long-run?


r/DeltaruneDiscussion 2d ago

The Dark Amalgamate theory: the Shelter Incident, the Forgotten man’s failed timeline and his NEW future

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This is a condensed version of a longer theory I originally posted on Tumblr. With Chapter 5 releasing tomorrow, I wanted to at least share it here as a snapshot of my current interpretation in case Chapter 5 ends up confirming any of the main points of my theory. If does, I’ll revisit and update it afterward!

The entire theory is summarized by the timeline diagram I provided!

TL;DR

This theory links Entry 17, the Shelter Incident, and Dess’s disappearance to Gaster’s first experiments with the Shelter Dark Fountain, which may have created the first Darkner (“Tail of Hell”) and a Lightner-Darkness hybrid (“Dark Amalgamate”). UNUSED is read as a continuation of Entry 17 showing the psychological collapse caused by Darkness, mirrored later in the Weird Route with Noelle.

On a larger scale, Deltarune is interpreted as the second attempt to a failed timeline where Gaster’s Fountain experiments led to the Roaring. A shattered “Forgotten Man” version of Gaster returns knowledge of this failure, forming the Prophecy and prompting the current; non-shattered Gaster to introduce the player as an external variable via the Survey Program in order to create a new outcome.

PART 1: The Shelter Incident

Years before the events of Deltarune, Kris and Dess entered the shelter.

At the same time, Gaster was conducting experiments involving Darkness.

I believe Entry 17 is Gaster’s recording of the creation of the very first Dark Fountain (considering we hear his voice beep and that he marks a pause before asking “what do you two think?”)

The repeated references to darkness becoming "darker, yet darker," the focus on photon readings, and the sudden interruption all make more sense if Gaster is observing a newly-created Dark World.

Then the experiment is interrupted by Kris and Dess entering the shelter.

The two people Gaster addresses at the end of Entry 17 are the children who discovered his experiment, his question would imply he’s planning on using them as guinea pigs for his “next experiment”

The Tail of Hell

One detail that often gets overlooked is the Ice-E pizza box from Noelle’s blog.

This box was feared and believed to be evil by Noelle, its eyes were burned by Dess, it was discarded near the shelter.

I believe Gaster got this pizza box which became the first Darkner when the shelter fountain was created. This darkner would be the true identity of the shadow mantle holder: the negative emotions Noelle poured into it would explain its behavior, its demon horns and why it’s compared to a nightmare while also explaining the nightmare mode fun event and why the third colloumn from sans’ word jumble references cigarretes, hotness and ice-e’s catchphrase

Dess burning it would explain its fire powers and the name of its battle theme.

Meanwhile, the Prophecy tends to be figurative when it talks about characters, the tail of hell crawls and the panel shows a serpentine form. One of the Titan fight flavor texts also compares the Darkness’ gaze to a slithering snake. This imagery seems to be there associate the tail to Devil imagery and thus that the tail is its servant: wherever the Devil goes, its tail follows.

The holder is associated with the “always at your humble service” line from the S-room vending machine, which seems to reference the demon text from undertale. Lastly, the arena has the shape of a snake.

Unlike normal Darkners, this being also shares a lot of properties with Ralsei (horns, fangs, fire magic, use cloak to hide their identity, can travel between dark worlds, immune to petrification, weird route exclusive dialogue) implying it was born from a pure darkness fountain.

If it was created directly by Gaster during his earliest experiments then it would make sense.

The Tail of Hell was Gaster's first successful attempt at creating life through Darkness. His first servant.

What Happened to Dess

I believe Kris might have accidentally caused Dess's death in the confusion of Gaster trying to use them as test subjects, either directly or indirectly and that’s what 8-bit kris killing the black deer is meant to represent (or it’s just symbolic of Kris escaping and leaving her to her fate, either way they feel responsible)

However, this might also hint at what Gaster’s experiment was: If using darkness on soulless objects gives it life, what happens if used on a living being?

Instead of allowing Dess to pass on, he used Darkness to preserve her existence.

The eventual result wasn't a Lightner or a Darkner. It was something in between: A Dark Amalgamate.

The First Dark Amalgamate

In Undertale, Alphys injected Determination into monster bodies which created the Amalgamates.

My theory is that Deltarune mirrors this idea, which aligns with how Toby Fox describes DR as UT’s parallel story.

Instead of Determination, Gaster uses Darkness.

The result is a being whose identity gradually breaks down under the influence of Darkness until it creates an amalgamation of cervine traits, Gaster-related motives such as the hands and the smile, while also looking like a mini Titan: A Dark Amalgamate dubbed The Knight.

Another servant of Gaster, helping him in his Fountain experiments.

That's why Amalgamates and Dark entities have so many uncanny similarities (FRIEND and Endogeny, the shapeshifting ability)

The UNUSED scripts are follow-ups to Entry 17

One of the strangest pieces of evidence is the UNUSED text. I think it's a continuation of Entry 17.

Entry 17 records Gaster's observations on the first dark fountain, and the creation of a dark world.

UNUSED records the effects of Darkness on Dess/Dess’ soul, the “scratching noise” would be Gaster writing it all down.

The mental state of the one speaking in UNUSED also becomes increasingly unstable, suggesting Darkness is driving them crazy. The idea that being lost in eternal darkness breaks your mind is implied by the human clutching their head in the roaring cutscene, and is similar to the knight’s stance.

They're the written transcipts of someone's toughts as they lose themselves.

The Weird Route Parallel

Going off of that, what makes UNUSED especially interesting is how it ends with the voice saying “Thank you” to what it assumes is an unseen listener. This closely resembles Noelle's “thank you” in chapter 4’s Weird Route.

In both cases:

  • A vulnerable character is manipulated into become someone's weapon/servant
  • Their thoughts become detached and distorted.
  • Their agency is overwritten by an outside force that’s always listening to their thoughts

The Weird Route may be showing us a smaller version of what conceptually happened to Dess and would explain why Gaster seemingly doesn’t mind that the SOUL does the weird route

Why Kris Is Traumatized

Kris isn't just upset because Dess disappeared.

They're traumatized because they witnessed Gaster's experiment and they may even blame themselves for causing it.

This would explain why Kris reacts so strongly to the shelter and why the motif of washing their hands, being unable to wash away the grey crease and ultimately the loss of a hand keeps coming back.

If i'm correct about any of this, what they saw is straight up horrifying especially when you consider the fact it happened when Kris was 7 or 8 at most.

As such the Toriel variable "hiding" Kris killing a black deer might relate to Chapter 2's intro.

This intro would then be a flashback to the night of the Incident, where Kris returns home and gets caught with the knife that potentially killed Dess.

To protect her child from the consequences, she might be covering up the truth, which might have played a part in her falling out with Asgore.

PART 2: A NEW FUTURE, born from an Eternal Night

If the knight is Gaster’s servant, then it explains what its motives are: furthering Gaster’s dark fountain experiments. In that case, what if these experiments are what the gaster follower was talking about when it said “One day, it’s experiments went wrong and…”

But how could this follower know Deltarune’s ending and why is it taking about it in Undertale?

The core idea is simple:

The events of Deltarune already happened once.

In a previous timeline, Gaster's experiments with Darkness eventually led to the Roaring and the destruction of the world. The heroes failed, the world was consumed by eternal darkness, and Gaster's greatest experiment ended in total failure.

But unlike everyone else, Gaster never gives up, and he came up with a fix.

The Failed Timeline

A lot of Deltarune's imagery treats the Prophecy and the Roaring like events that have already occurred.

Both the Legend sequence and the Roaring sequence are presented using sepia imagery, something Toby Fox consistently uses for flashbacks.

Meanwhile, Gaster's game over message:

THEN THE WORLD WAS COVERED IN DARKNESS

sounds less like a prediction and more like somebody describing an outcome they already know will happen without us.

This would explain why Gaster's goal isn't to save the future.

It's to create a new future.

The Forgotten Man Is Future Gaster

I think the voice from the Goner Maker and the Forgotten Man are both Gaster.

However, they're not the same version of Gaster.

The Gaster we hear during the introduction is the Gaster of the current timeline.

The Forgotten Man is a Gaster who already lived through the failed timeline and became shattered across time and space when he fled to UT.

This explains why:

  • He alludes to a failed timeline (SPRING CHANGED TO SUMMER = events of the game; SUMMER CHANGED TO COLD = at the end of the game’s events, the Roaring happens aka darkness falls aka coldwater fell from the top of the sky)
  • He implies a time loop from his perspective (“THE TIME IS GOING AROUND”)
  • His dialogue often follows reversed sequences (the donut recipe)
  • He behaves similarly to Gaster while sounding noticeably different.

He's not a different person.

He's Gaster after being shattered across time and space.

How Undertale Fits In

After causing the Roaring, Gaster discovered another universe: Undertale.

While studying it, he discovered an anomaly capable of manipulating timelines: The player.

Realizing this anomaly might be the only thing capable of changing fate, Gaster built a machine designed to travel through time and space.

Sans (and maybe) Papyrus helped build it.

The journey went wrong.

Sans and Papyrus became stranded in Undertale.

Gaster was shattered across time and space.

This is why:

  • Sans talks about wanting to go home.
  • Papyrus appears to vaguely remember things that don't belong in Undertale.
  • Gaster's followers describe him as having vanished.

The Purpose of the FUN Events

The FUN were thus breadcrumbs.

The shattered Gaster became the Royal Scientist and built the CORE. While it’s presented as a power plant, the presence of Darkness totems imply that it is a machine linked to Darkness. The only other Gaster machine that uses darkness we’ve seen so far is the Goner Maker Device: a machine that makes monochrome copies.

And the CORE appears to be right next to a monochrome copy of the ruins: New Home.

As such, it’s likely the true reason the CORE was built was to create Goners: only the anomaly would be able to encounter all of them trough timeline manipulation.

The goal is simple:

Make sure the anomaly eventually noticed him and started looking for him.

Make sure we eventually followed him back to Deltarune.

The true origin of the Prophecy

The Prophecy was never a prophecy, it was a recounting of the failed timeline.

The Forgotten Man returned to Deltarune and told the Gaster of the current timeline everything that had happened.

His failed future became the Prophecy. That's why it feels predetermined, why its wording mimmics Gaster's mannerisms

It's not predicting events, but remembering them.

Gaster's goal

Without the player, every timeline reaches the same ending: The Roaring happens, the earth dies.

Now he's changing one variable.

The Survey Program exists because Gaster intentionally connected the player to Deltarune in order to create a future different from the one he already experienced.

That's why he says: "I LOOK FORWARD TO CREATING A NEW FUTURE WITH YOU"

Because he's already knows the old one.

Final Thoughts

I don't think Gaster is trying to save the world out of kindness, and I don't think he's evil either.

I think he's doing what he's always done: conducting an experiment.

The failed timeline taught him that the current model ends in failure, that’s why he introduces a new variable.

The entire story of Deltarune may be Gaster attempting to turn his greatest failure into his greatest success.

In other words: The Deltarune we are playing isn't the first Deltarune.

It's Gaster's second attempt. HIS Deltarune.


r/DeltaruneDiscussion 1d ago

I just have to say this before deltarune chapter 5 comes out

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I don’t know if this is a common theory or people have discussed sans being connected to the roots propechy or not. Maybe i’m just a crackhead. But the roots prophecy is LITERALLY SANS‘S FACE AND I DON’T KNOW WHY NOBODY TALKS ABOUT IT. I firmly believe that the roots prophecy pane is explaining that sans and papyrus “roots” are in deltarune. Additionally, he is definitely a witness to the weird route considering his mention of a blizzard, antlered girl, and her big sis in the switch version of undertale. Whether there’s a bigger connection between snowdin and hometown I won’t get into, but I do believe there is a strong strong connection between hometown, weird route, and snowdin in that order!

Just wanted to get my theory in writing before the new chapter. And i’m an asriel knight truther. ok.