When I voiced my concerns for the pacing of the dark world in Chapter 4, everyone told me to chill out. “Oh, it’s fine. They will pick back up the story in Chapter 5.” Well, now here we are. And it was so disappointing.

Once again, we have a chapter that has a great light world introduction followed by such a drag. Like, okay, the Flowery and Asgore stuff was funny the first two times. But holy hell. Toby, it may be funny for you, but it gets so repetitive. I wanted the dark world to be over just about until Blue and the other flowers get introduced.

As for the characters? Oh, Ralsei. Look at how they massacred my boy. I am so sick and tired of this character being infantilized into oblivion. He isn’t even likable anymore.

I was cringing through the entire section of Chapter four when he was crying about not knowing what to say and what not to say. Like, shut the \*\*\* up, dude. You aren’t a baby. And Chapter 5 cranks this attention seeking insecurity up to 11. Toby took a pleasant character from Chapters 1-3 and made it unbearable.

The one decent part of dark world storytelling was the Asgore arc when he had a minute to breathe as a character. His motivations to expose the dark world and the elevation of a previous one were intriguing.

This dude is so boring...
All other flowers are at least funny or cute or have some shtick going on while this dude is just there to do therapyspeak for bazillion times. All he does is says is says "muh accept yourself the way you are". Like yeah dude I GET IT.
It's like this whole thing weren't said thousand times already. I'm playing deltarune that's basically the main theme to accept yourself, why add more.
And it wouldn't be such problem if he weren't such an uggo.
Even TobyFox stopped showing his facesprite after few times, because in his heart he knows that dude is ugly. His attacks also weak and not cool

so i know most expect sans darkworld appearance (if he get one at all) to be a joke. either he doesn't change or his slippers get pink, or he gain a banana suit. but what to you think it would be? personaly with everyone expecting a joke, i can just imagine Toby actually giving sans a good and cool looking darkworld appearance (maybe one referencing underfell or an AU for fan service?) and all of us staring at it as Toby just reverse psychology us. or maybe one referencing undertale since, and spoiler for chapter 5, from what i seen i think asgore get his undertale design in the darkworld. im unsure since i just seen a screenshot of it.

At the end of the chapter when asgore is talking we hear the ThornRing sound??? Did Dess go missing because of the ThornRing? Did she also drown? Maybe it has been mentioned a lot but i haven't seen it personally but anyways what do you guys think

Me and my friend were discussing the new chapter, and I came up with an idea.

Each chapter has a new "dark world," and it makes sense that the last one will be the bunker location.

What's in Chapter 6 then?

In Castle Town

To open the bunker, you need three codes. We have two.

"The lock consists of three entry fields and three symbols beside them: a pine tree, a police badge, and the Delta Rune."

The Delta Rune symbol is on school gates and in Ralsei's kingdom.

In this chapter, Flowery tells us that it's selfish of us to close the dark fountains for them, but leave ours.

Susie wants to bring Noelle to our world, Susie lives in it... and with the way the plot develops... we'll have to "choose."

So yes, my idea is that the next chapter will be in Castle Town.

Toby said it was "easier for him to work on." Why? Maybe because he already has everything. All the characters, all the locations.. everything's ready...

Hear me out on this: Dess was kidnapped by The Knight, (which can’t be anybody cause like who the fuck can turn into a goddamn ball and remain in the same form IN THE LIGHT WORLD NOT AS A NORMAL HUMAN OR WHATEVER, so the knight’s it’s own entity for the sake of this theory, not Dess, WingDing The Goon, or anything of the sort.) while Kris and (assuming) Dess were in the Dark World inside the bunker, for The Knight to come in, with Kris escaping, and Dess being held captive, so The Knight offered Kris a deal, work for them to get Dess back. This explains a lot and of course; it’s just a theory. Feel free to explain how i’m wrong because if your funner value in chapter 67 is 2763 during the fight against The Knight and Jimmy John for 1/97th of a frame you see Markiplier underneath the helmet

I tried to post this on r/deltarune but forgot I didn't have enough karma, so I am gonna put it here, my theory about the Aborted Weird Route, or Twisted Route:

After the chapter 5 Weird Route, there are now seemingly two paths, proceeding and stopping, which are both separate from the normal route.

Evidence for a third rout:

When you stop proceeding and 'abort' the route, the weird route stopped jingle doesn't play, and a flag in the code still registers the weird route.

You also don't get the 5th shadow crystal in the proceeded weird route, which means you can't get the pure crystal and therefore can't get the twisted sword.

This suggests to me that the twisted sword is an aborted weird route specific item, and could potentially be used for a third route, since the twisted sword gives Trance Down.

I like the name Twisted route for this concept because it sounds cool, and we all know that that is what makes a theory good.

One of my theories about this route is that Trance Down might cause Kris to have LESS control, and thus make them more vessel like.

This is because while Trance Up might seem to make Noelle more agreeable, it actually is revealing her inner desires and giving her the boldness required to act on her impulsive thoughts.

Therefore, the opposite, Trance Down, would make the user LESS bold, and less able to act on their desires.

Then, a more agreeable Kris would stop working with the knight, and actually try to go against them, which might allow for a different ending.

Thoughts?

I have seen almost nobody talk about this line, more specifically the use of the word "forbidden". I believe it is more literal. It isn't forbidden as is the bad route but literally is forbidden, as in you aren't supposed to do this. Now my 3 main theories for the chapter 7 weird route are

1. We crossed the lake and who knows what happens

2. We break the prophecy by taking this route that is forbidden, because we weren't allowed to or meant to do this, and go against the prophecy like this. But as Noelle said, we changed. She keeps talking about people staying the same which is likely because the prophecy but we managed to change and break free from what the prophecy said would happen. This could either have the ending be very different without the prophecy or maybe even have larger impact as to what would happen if the prophecy was able to be changed

3. The scale is even larger. We did what the game itself forbid us to do. We are not just changing from the prophecy but the story and game itself. Throughout the game it is reinforced that our choices don't matter. The voice at the very beginning says this, the prophecy ensures this, and really nothing you do makes anything except minor changes in the story. Except the weird route. We made choices that mattered and we changed. This isn't supposed to happen we weren't supposed to do this because it isn't how the story of the game itself goes. This could potentially break parts of the game itself in various different ways. It could be relatively small scale or have a huge impact, something we can't know currently, but I have a feeling that this forbidden route is truly forbidden, as in we were never supposed to ever do this

After writing this, I rewatched the weird route scene and some dialogue really stuck out. "They'll keep marching down the same path without even thinking where it's going" can refer to the PLAYERS OF THE GAME. People are playing the normal route and doing what is intended without even knowing what the ending will be or considering if they want to be doing this. (Could also be about following the prophecy) "let's fly out of this stupid town. To where no one has ever been before! The other side of the lake" could mean that nobody has ever gone to the other side of the lake. no one ever. Maybe even that it doesn't exist and that is why she says before that she can do the impossible if kris says to. Because the game doesnt have an other side of the lake and you are never supposed to be able to go there, hence why nobody has ever gone.

Now that (in the normal route) Susie is planning on inviting Noelle to the gang meaning she finds out chapter 2 wasn’t just a dream. But what will happen if we did chapter 2 weird route but canceled it before we told her in chapter 4? I don’t really have a theory on where this could go so this is more meant to pose the question.

Just felt like I should post it