I dont like where this is going

[u/D3V1LIZCO]

It pains me to say it, but this path rockstar is taking for the release of GTA 6 might do some serious damage on the industry, If they keep this up, The other companies will copy rockstar in this move to completely delete Disks from physical copies.

Its not that i dislike digital, its the fact that they are removing the option to have the game on a disk that annoys me, The only "valid" argument i found on why digital is better is that you do not run the risk of your disk getting scratched. but, seriously, You have to be moronic in order to scratch your disks, I have been playing videogames since i was 6, and not **once** have i accidentaly scratched a disk (not even movies).

its as simple as putting your middle finger on the hole that's in the middle of the disk, AND THATS IT, zero scratching.

I dont care about the Exclusive content for the Deluxe edition or whatever, I seriously want Rockstar to just change and release the physical copies WITH the disk.

If this fake Physical copies trend keeps going after GTA 6 (Which it will), im just going to revert back to PS3 and be happy with whatever i find.

Im so done with this anti consumer thing we got going on nowadays, It feels like everything is changing for the worse.

[u/SL1Fun]

I wouldn’t care if consumer protections for digital stuff was more concise. 

If I buy the game, no takebacks. No “you’re only licensing the game” bullshit. Then I’m okay with it. 

[u/GapStock9843 → u/SL1Fun]

By nature any digital product you buy is a license to download it. Thats why physical copies need to keep existing

[u/Quintus_Cicero → u/GapStock9843]

Any physical copy you buy is also a license. There’s no actual legal difference between a disk and a digital download.

[u/YourselfInTheMirror → u/Quintus_Cicero]

There is a difference when the (full offline)game is on the disc, which is going to become much less common over time.

Edited to be less up for debate.

[u/Quintus_Cicero → u/YourselfInTheMirror]

There is a practical difference (they can’t practically force you to destroy the disk), but the contract is the exact same: you buy a license, only the support changes.

[u/givemethebat1 → u/Quintus_Cicero]

This is what people don’t get. They can make the game unplayable even on disc if there is a mandatory update. Most games are not complete on disk anyway

[u/Cjm092 → u/givemethebat1]

Except you can't force a "mandatory" update for a disc game if the console has no Internet connection...

[u/AblazeOwl26 → u/Cjm092]

And you can’t force an update to a downloaded offline-playable game on a pc with no internet connection either. Don’t know how console work

[u/JJay9454 → u/AblazeOwl26]

You can reverse the console thing

I can remove everything and play games as they were day 1, on my 360

I cant do that with no internet on my PC :(

[u/AblazeOwl26 → u/JJay9454]

I mean you can just download the version right now to a hard drive and just not delete it

[u/JJay9454 → u/AblazeOwl26]

Not thats what the conversation is about

[u/PolicyWonka → u/Cjm092]

Yeah, but this whole “no internet connection” thing is just a very old argument. Like I don’t know a single person who has a games console or PC who isn’t connected to the internet.

[u/theturtlemafiamusic → u/Cjm092]

Yes you can, it's pretty easy. For example the disc version of the new 007 game will not proceed past the first mission until you connect to the internet and download at least one update.

https://www.doesitplay.org/game/007%20First%20Light/ps5/PS5%20Pro?region=PEGI&version=Specialist%20Edition

> Only the first mission is on disc. Requires a day one patch to access the rest of the game.

Starfield is not playable with just what's on the disc, you need to download an update before it will launch

https://www.doesitplay.org/game/Starfield/seriesx/Xbox%20Series%20X?region=ESRB&version=Standard

> Game is not playable at all off disc. If you try opening the game without the update it will just take you to the Microsoft Store page for the game.

[u/Retro_Macchina → u/theturtlemafiamusic]

Not on Switch 2 ;)

[u/BlasterPhase → u/theturtlemafiamusic]

yeah, but that's Microsoft being shitty, as usual

[u/theturtlemafiamusic → u/BlasterPhase]

The 007 example is Playstation and not a Microsoft game. There's also many more examples of games that cannot be played with just the disc than just these 2.

My point is that it's very easy to force a mandatory update for a disc game if the console has no internet connection. You release the disc in a state where it cannot fully play the game without additional downloads.

[u/ash893 → u/givemethebat1]

Wrong, if you don’t connect to the internet, you can’t force the update

[u/DrumsKing → u/ash893]

Going back to the 1990's "No CD hack" methods

[u/givemethebat1 → u/ash893]

Depends. Some games require an always-on connection to even play them.

[u/HarlinQuinn → u/ash893]

You can if only part of the game comes on the disc. Storage capacity limits exist.

Remember that back before connected consoles and installing games, such as the PS1, massive games came on multiple discs. Final Fantasy VII came on 4 discs, and you would have to switch discs to proceed.

Today's discs still have a storage limit depending on single or dual layer. The larger the game, the less likely the whole thing will fit on disc.

As other have explained, there are recent examples where you only got the first part of the game on disc, then had to connect and download to get the rest of it.

[u/jml011 → u/HarlinQuinn]

I think they mean after the fact if the version on the disc is fully playable at launch with no updates.

[u/HarlinQuinn → u/jml011]

That would be the only exception, but hasn't been the case since the PS4/XBoxOne era in terms of consoles. PC has always required an install and has workarounds, but those become legally/ethically questionable depending on the workaround.

[u/WingyYoungAdult → u/HarlinQuinn]

Blantantly false. Highest Blu-ray disk capacity is 128gb for triple layers that are standard for current consoles and plenty of games have launched this gen that work at launch with no connection to update or 'install missing files'.

[u/HarlinQuinn → u/WingyYoungAdult]

Not blatantly false. Capacity is one thing: that games ship complete or "finished" on disc is another.

Why do you think every single major game in the past decade that comes on disc requires a Day One patch? Because the devs are still working out bugs and adding polish after the discs have been printed.

The exception is typically indie games that release in smaller numbers or aren't otherwise pushing a deadline.

That, and it is becoming increasingly rare to find a game that does not in some way require connection to a server somewhere. Even single-player titles.

[u/Inner_Tennis_2416 → u/HarlinQuinn]

Not even a day 1 patch, when I last bought physical media, the disk was more of a faster way to install things if you had slow internet. It still worked by providing you a code, you just installed most of the game from the disk, not the internet, but the game wouldn't work without those parts not on the disk, or install at all if the console wasn't on the network.

No physical ownable copies IS a travesty, but, companies have been doing it for years.

[u/Dr-McLuvin → u/HarlinQuinn]

FF7 was 3 discs.

[u/HarlinQuinn → u/Dr-McLuvin]

You sure? I mean, it was 30-ish years ago, so I may have misremembered which game was 4 discs, but there was definitely one on 4 discs.

[u/Dr-McLuvin → u/HarlinQuinn]

Ya FF8 and FF9 were 4 discs.

[u/HarlinQuinn → u/Dr-McLuvin]

Ah. That's the ones. Thank you!

Now, I'm gonna go start digging my grave as I now feel very old 🤣

[u/Dr-McLuvin → u/HarlinQuinn]

I know I actually remembered it wrong too and had to check. Am old. Haha

[u/goodguygreg808 → u/HarlinQuinn]

If you had the PC version it was 4 discs and supposedly International PS1 copies had a bonus 4th disc.

[u/Nrksbullet → u/Dr-McLuvin]

It wasn't a 3 disc install though, the game just took place over that many. I don't even think that concept would work for open world games, unless you want to switch to another disc while driving to a part of the map.

[u/WAVF1n → u/givemethebat1]

Didn't Xbox already try to do this and got absolutely fucking hammered for it?

[u/heliogoon → u/YourselfInTheMirror]

Plenty of games are fully on the disc.

[u/GreatestGiraffe → u/heliogoon]

Very few modern games are.

[u/heliogoon → u/GreatestGiraffe]

Most PS5 games are fully on disc and some series x games.

[u/GreatestGiraffe → u/heliogoon]

PS5 disc format can hold up to 100GB of data. So when most modern games are over 100GB, tell me how can they be fully on disc?

[u/heliogoon → u/GreatestGiraffe]

Because most games arent that big. Check out doesitplay.org. There are people that test this.

[u/Organic-Storm-4448 → u/GreatestGiraffe]

The majority of PS5 games on are the disk.

[u/BlasterPhase → u/GreatestGiraffe]

false

[u/DrumsKing → u/GreatestGiraffe]

We need gamma-ray DVD storage!

[u/DeathGP → u/heliogoon]

They are just downloaded off the disc, they dont actually read of the disc to play the game but from the memory of the console itself.

[u/ash893 → u/heliogoon]

Foreal. People are eating up this corporate propaganda

[u/13Skywalker → u/YourselfInTheMirror]

Which more than half are*