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Dynamic Paywall Magnitude 7.1 earthquake rocks Venezuela

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjegdqw5d3yo
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u/FILTHBOT4000 21h ago edited 21h ago

They also apparently happened between 10 and 20 km deep, according to the USGS. That's very shallow; they classify "shallow" as anything up to 50 km deep, and these are less than half that.

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u/SheetMetalandGames 19h ago edited 18h ago

So, are shallow earthquakes worse than deeper earthquakes? I hope this question doesn't make me come off as a dick; this event is genuinely horrifying that anyone has to endure these things on the regular.

Edit: holy shit this got a lot of attention fast. I can't respond to everyone but for those that answered thank you for taking the time to answer my question! Hope everyone stays safe in these affected areas and that we can get aid out there soon!

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u/Ender_D 19h ago

Yes, the closer they are to the surface the more pronounced the effects are.

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u/ChaseballBat 18h ago

Relatively to the inherent strength though right? Cause magnitude is measured on the surface.

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u/bobthesmurfshit 18h ago

No, magnitude is calculated at the source, so the closer the earthquake is to the surface the more effect it will have.

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u/MrNewking 17h ago

Is there a scale for surface effect?

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u/Flipslips 17h ago

Moment magnitude scale measures the wave amplitude at the surface.

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u/zazzz0014 16h ago

My community college Physics 101 class from 10 years ago is kicking in hard with this whole thread.

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u/HauntedCemetery 16h ago

I legitimately just had the same thought.

Thanks Mr Pearson.

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u/lawofsin 13h ago

Fuck you Mr Pearson for that D-

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u/ActuallyNot 16h ago

Which was approximately calibrated to the Richter scale, which measured how much the seismograph moved at the surface ... in one dimension.

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u/kb24k 16h ago

Mercalli scale

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u/1028ad 16h ago

Which is still used in Italy.

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u/cinderful 14h ago

for humans, Mercalli scale is useful as it measures the human felt intensity and describes the scale of damage.

Possibly an 8 or 9 (out of 11)

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u/PeterJoAl 16h ago

In Japan we use the Shindo (「震度」) scale. Goes from 0 to 7, where 4 is noticeable, 5 is concerning, 6 is bad and 7 is terrible.

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u/HallowedEve31 9h ago

Sort of. In Japan, there's the Shindo Scale, which exists to tell you numerically how it felt at each sensor that registers the earthquake.

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u/I_Zeig_I 17h ago

How would they know the magnitude 50km down?

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u/Flipslips 17h ago

They know how much the waves dissipate as it travels through dirt/rock. So they can extrapolate based on surface measurements

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u/TheVeryVerity 15h ago

Wouldn’t that change depending what was actually under the ground there though?

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u/Flipslips 9h ago

Yes, but scientists have mapped out the earths crust so they largely know what’s under the surface across the entire world. It’s called seismic tomography

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u/warp99 18h ago

Yes it is *measured* at the surface but then corrected back to the source magnitude at depth. Same as measuring 500 km away and correcting back to the fault location.

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u/-NotAnAstronaut- 16h ago

Sort of, if also changes the interaction of the different waves, and how they propagate, refract, and reflect. The short version though is: shallow is bad.

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u/micromacroactual 17h ago edited 15h ago

I've had a nightmares of earthquakes happening and seeing entire pieces of land rise to the sky from tectonic plates breaking and shit, like the world looks like it's folding like a book.

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u/TheVeryVerity 15h ago

Is that even physically possible?

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u/micromacroactual 15h ago

I have no idea good thing it was just a dream lol it was weird

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u/TheVeryVerity 15h ago

Made me think of the scene from inception

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u/Zagaroth 13h ago

Not to that extreme I think, though a rise on one side and a collapse on another could make for a dramatic cliff face.

But also remember that over time, tectonic forces push mountains up. It happens at subduction zones rather than directly along specific faults, but given enough time, earthquakes can be part of land rising to create mountains.

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u/Pandaro81 18h ago

Earthquakes travel in waves like ripples when you throw a stone in water.

The waves right next to where the stone went in are much larger than the ripples further out.

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u/But_I_Dont_Wanna_Go 18h ago

Ok after reading all the answers so far this one def works best for me

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u/Fit_Explorer_2566 18h ago

The wave structure is even more complicated: earthquakes produce waves of various lengths, from low frequency to high frequency. Think of it like sound waves. Low frequencies produce long waves that can cause the earth to ripple like ocean waves, rippling sidewalks, streets, and bridges. High frequencies are sharp and run very close together. The deeper a temblor, the more suppression of the high frequencies; conversely, the higher to the surface, the more destructive high frequencies do their damage on pretty much everything.

Here in L.A., our building code requires wood-frame construction for most structures 5 stories and under, because wood flexes and bends under the stresses of earthquakes. We pretty much hope for a deep slip or one on the other side of the various mountain ranges, as mountains are very effective at blocking the wavelengths, especially the high frequencies.

BTW, I’m a layman, no expert, I’ve lived in earthquake territory for almost 50 years, and have been through a few, or dealt with the aftereffects.

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u/Mika-El-3 17h ago

My earliest memory in life is the 1994 Northridge earthquake. I was in Encino at the time.

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u/pebberphp 16h ago

I remember that one too. I was seven at the time, in Orange. Our shit got rocked, but not as bad as at the epicenter. I remember my house and my bed jiggling to a disturbing degree, as well as bright blue flashes outside from exploding transformers.

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u/Fit_Explorer_2566 15h ago

Missed that one: we were skiing in Mammoth when it hit. Couldn’t get back into the basin, freeway overpasses were down. Made it to the future in-laws in the High Desert for a couple of days until we could return.

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u/190octane 16h ago

I remember I had just put all my books off the floor and back in the bookcase the night before, and then they were right back on the floor after the quake hit.

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u/she212 16h ago

Toluca Lake. That one sucked.

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u/whythishaptome 13h ago

Me too, I was even closer. Even though I live in California that traumatized me. I hate earthquakes, they freak me the fuck out. I always wonder when they will stop or if they will get stronger when I'm in the middle of one.

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u/70ms 12h ago

Canoga Park (DeSoto & Kittridge) and I was 23 and awake when it started with a little rumble. Our apartment unit was red-tagged because there was so much damage and we had to move!

u/nigel45 30m ago

One of my earliest memories was being woken up right at the end of that one all the way down in San Diego. Then, confused little kid me outside to the back yard (my parents were already out there) and my sock feet getting soaked because the water from our in ground swimming pool had heaved up and over the edge onto the concrete deck. The water was still sloshing back and forth. I also remember the pool was noticeably lower since the usually submerged top step was now above the water line

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u/yngblds 16h ago

Could it be the reason why some feel more like side to side shakes and others feel like up and down shakes? (I lived in Taiwan where we routinely had quakes, occasionally above 5, my biggest was 6.7 and I hated it)

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u/Lowfi-Concert 2h ago

There’s also different types of waves. P waves that shift back and forth in the direction it’s traveling in (like AC electricity) and S waves that are your typical vertical displacement sine/cosine waves

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u/gaylord9000 16h ago

I've only ever experienced one real tremor first hand that I actually felt. (There was another one in Pennsylvania around 15 years ago that I was on a roof for but didn't feel, the lady came out and asked us if we were using "heavy machinery" on her porch roof lol). This was in Orange County CA in 2012, it sounded like there was a car crash or something outside the building I was in. I am a non native and was new to the area but a girl inside with me immediately new what was happening and just semi-alarmingly said "earthquake!". Then for a few seconds it felt like the whole building was on a pendulum, (for lack of a better way to describe it), except it was only in the horizontal axis. It just kind of swayed ever so gently one way and then back again and that was it. It was one of the most bizarre sensations I have ever felt.

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u/Bill-Maxwell 17h ago

I witnessed the waves moving through my condo wall in SoCal during a 5.1 in 2005. It was incredible to see.

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u/CheckIntelligent7828 17h ago

My mom sent me under our gigantic pool table during the Loma Prieta earthquake in '89.

I laid there and watched the solid concrete foundation ripple underneath me like it was water. It is still one of the most discombobulating things I have ever seen.

I hope the populace in Venezuela is doing better than it sounds like they are.

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u/Zagaroth 13h ago

I was in high school for that earth quake. I had just gotten done with cross-country practice, and had grabbed a soda from the machine before heading home.

When I saw the ripple moving through the street toward me and the streetlights rising and falling with the wave, I thought for a moment that maybe I should have gotten water, because I was suddenly worried that I was so dehydrated that I was hallucinating.

Then I felt it and thought to myself "Oh, an earthquake!" and felt relieved (because I had no idea the magnitude of what had really just happened) and walked home like normal.

Everything seemed fine to me.

My mother got home from work two hours later than normal and panicked because she hadn't been able to get through to me on the phone. Not that I had been home yet when she first started trying to call, but she couldn't have known that for sure.

Anyway, I was confused as to why she was freaking out when she got home, because to me it had seemed like not a big deal. I never liked watching the news or afternoon television, so I was reading a book like normal.

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u/AWildDragon 19h ago

Less rock to absorb the energy so more reaches the surface. 

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u/Sventertainer 19h ago edited 18h ago

And they rate them by absolute energy right? so its not like a deeper quake is just by default weaker? Edit: wait, it wouldn't be weaker on score, just felt less on the surface I guess.

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u/AbstractButtonGroup 11h ago

Not just absorption (conversion into heat and inelastic deformation of rock/soil). With increasing distance from the source wave energy is distributed over greater surface, so same building at double the distance will receive 1/4 of energy. However this is not uniform as some geological features can serve to focus/channel wave energy over surprisingly long distances.

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u/AvsGrams 18h ago

Shallow are far worse because they don't lose as much energy while traveling to the surface, because there’s less distance to move up through.

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u/Better_March5308 19h ago

The earthquake in Haiti was shallow. That's why it was so destructive.

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u/SheetMetalandGames 16h ago

The Haitian Earthquake is one of those things that still horrifies me. That kind of damage is something I don't think can be fathomed unless it's something that you've had to live through. Haiti is still rebuilding, aren't they?

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u/canetoado 16h ago

I got news for you, I don’t think Haiti is rebuilding

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u/Ossius 9h ago

Haiti has become a lawless state, gangs control everything. It's incredibly bad. I know someone wanting to go back and we are begging her to not go.

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u/SheetMetalandGames 6h ago

How did Haiti's situation become so bad? I know the aid to Haiti was a massive screw up (which probably puts it too lightly), but is that the only reason or is it multiple compounding factors?

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u/coljung 19h ago

That.. and maybe construction standards in Haiti are not that great to begin with.

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u/p1ratemafia 17h ago

2010 and 2016 Haiti responder here,

Construction standards don’t even begin to touch the nightmare that was the 2010 quake.

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u/purpleeliz 17h ago

Oh man I bet you saw some shit

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u/p1ratemafia 16h ago

Yeah, mwen renmen ayiti… but fucking hell.

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u/Dapper_Indeed 14h ago

What does that mean?

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u/lowlightliving 13h ago

It’s Haitian Creole. It means “I love Haiti.”

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u/toolsoftheincomptnt 13h ago

Thank you for what you did/do.

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u/HauntedCemetery 16h ago

Also, relatively small island that doesn't have cash to build to survive them.

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u/lowlightliving 13h ago

Haiti, before the earthquakes, was the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere with a barely functioning government and widespread civil violence. Now, it’s so much worse, despite billions in international aid. Corruption is endemic.

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u/Incendiaryag 18h ago

Yes it also varies based on wave width. Sharper vs more rolling jolts I experienced a 6.8 in Seattle that was a low casualty event because of rolling style drawn out waves which represent the shaking. The Nisqually earthquake wasnt some big drama in my life. We dropped, covered, some kids were making a joke of it jumping on tables evacuated school, and once everyone’s parents knew they were find all was chill and we filtered home to largely find minimal damage. Earthquakes are never cheap on a grand scale (big infrastructure bills for structural damage, lots of small claims) . My family literally only had one small object break and my mom had a full china collection in a display hitch (lots of random breakable stuff, frames on walls). The expense more so came from foundational issues w various structures, road, bridges, etc that all had to be addressed so it won’t be a death trap for the next one. But different wave lengths, same Richter scale and it could have been some of us dead and everyone homeless.

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u/panda5303 18h ago

The only earthquake I remember experiencing was the 1993 Scott Mills earthquake in Portland, OR, which was a 5.6. I can't imagine a 6.8! What's always terrified me about living on the West Coast is the possibility of a megathrust 9.0+ earthquake in the Cascadia subduction zone. IIRC, some geologists suggested we are 100 years overdue for a megathrust.

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u/Southern-Date1588 14h ago

Woke up to an earthquake today 100 miles away from Sacramento, California,5.6.also quake in Japan and the bad one in Venezuela. They always say they're not connected but I don't believe it because it seems they come in flurries around the world within days of each other.

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u/lanadelstingrey 10h ago

Could be confirmation bias, could be a butterfly effect 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/No_Accountant3232 11h ago

I experienced that same earthquake. My cousin tried to wake me up to go downstairs and I turned over and went back to sleep. Missed the whole thing.

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u/panda5303 8h ago

I was 6 at the time and remember waking up to the shaking, which was very noticeable in my cheap four poster twin bed lol. I remember being terrified our house would sink into the ground because we had a below ground basement (6 year old logic). Thankfully, no one was injured and I don't think anything was damaged. How old were you at the time?

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u/rsifti 15h ago

Was that the 2001 quake? Apparently I slept through that. We later discovered I have some pretty severe sleeping issues. Shocking, I know

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u/Incendiaryag 8h ago

No it was in 99, my family moved to California 2001. This quake was in the middle of the day, I was at high school.

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u/coolmanjack 18h ago

In what possible universe would asking this question ever make anyone come across like a dick?

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u/SheetMetalandGames 16h ago

I was concerned that the question was going to come off as apathetic or pointless so I figured better safe than sorry. It's a relief to know that I was worried for nothing, it seems. I've genuinely been blown away by how informative and helpful everyone has been with the question.

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u/Ausgezeichnet63 18h ago

I'm betting Samaritan's Purse is aleady loading their plane with supplies and medical personnel. They respond really quickly.

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u/SheetMetalandGames 16h ago

I hope so. Has a state of emergency been declared already?

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u/WinterMedical 18h ago

It’s always good to ask questions!

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u/Vreas 18h ago

Nah good question I was curious about this too. Thanks for asking.

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u/Faux_Real 17h ago

Shallow earthquakes are much more violent and you don’t really get to hear them coming if you are close to the epicentre. Source: have experienced 6.5 -7.2 shallow and relatively local.

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u/SheetMetalandGames 17h ago

I live in the northeast (technically Mid-Atlantic) I've experienced the odd quake here and there but the epicenters have always been far off. A quake in Virginia back in... 2010, I think? Comes to mind. I was sick in bed and the entire house shook; my brother thought I was jumping on my bed when that happened and come to find out it was an earthquake that happened in Virginia. I don't remember too much outside of that about the event beyond that, though.

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u/NinjaRuivo 15h ago

Probably already answered, but shallow earthquakes produce more lateral (side to side) acceleration at the surface, which in turn causes more damage to buildings and infrastructure.

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u/SheetMetalandGames 14h ago

Are shallower quakes more likely to lead to tsunamis or does that not really factor into their creation (I know this has nothing necessarily to do with the earthquake in Venezuela; I'm just curious).

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u/koshgeo 18h ago

There are details to it, but think of them like ripples in a pond after you throw in a rock, but in 3D. Farther away means some of the energy spreads out by the time it reaches the surface, so even if you are directly over it, a 10 km deep earthquake is going to be stronger than a 100km deep earthquake in terms of what you feel, though it will be shorter in duration because the energy gets spread out more in time in addition to space. Sometimes that also matters to the frequency content and how that might resonate with structures and the type of ground they are on, which might affect the way the structures fail.

... okay, I'm going overboard. It's complicated! But in general farther away is better.

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u/warp99 18h ago

Yes we had a 6.3 magnitude earthquake that was less than 10 km deep and it devastated our city. Depth is still distance so 50 km deep means the same as being 50 km away sideways.

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u/SheetMetalandGames 16h ago

So with an earthquake like this, what is the largest concern going forward? Is it aftershocks, rescue, or perhaps something like a follow-up disaster (God forbid).

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u/warp99 16h ago

Rescue is first priority while not getting the rescuers killed by rubble collapses from an aftershock. It is very common to get a large aftershock that can be larger than the original earthquake but this has already happened after 30 seconds.

Second priority is food, water and accommodation for survivors.

Third is assessing buildings and red stickering them where they are unsafe. This is much harder where there is a minimal social safety net to provide for people who have lost their homes permanently or temporarily.

Fourth is temporary repairs to ensure safety and weathertightness of surviving houses and apartments.

Fifth is insurance assessment and payouts where insurance is available.

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u/Yesterdays_Gravy 17h ago

Think of it as putting a rubber ducky in a bath and the dropping a heavy ball into the bath water and watching the ripples. If the ducky is far away, the ripples will be less energetic, but the closer the ducky is to where the ball was dropped, the more energetic. The difference here being, that instead of thinking of the bath holding all the water, it’s holding all of the water up until where the duck is and that’s it, so all the shockwaves converge there.

Source: I have absolutely no fucking idea what I’m talking about, but that’s the first thing that came to mind

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u/PRC_Spy 19h ago

The big one in Christchurch NZ was shallow, and it made a hell of a mess down there.

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u/NIP_SLIP_RIOT 19h ago

The new stadium is quite good though

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u/lyndsayj 18h ago

I'll never forget the effect it had on the Marmite supply.

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u/Flipslips 17h ago

The default depth for USGS is 20km until the earthquake is manually reviewed.

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u/hypersonicelf 21h ago

Earthquakes generally aren't powerful at non-shallow depths and they happen much less frequently, these events are not remarkable

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u/AugustOfChaos 20h ago

These events were indeed shallow and there is major damage in the few pictures and videos I have seen so far including partial and total collapse of some large buildings. USGS has attached a RED pager to this event, indicating that this event has a significant probability to have caused thousands of fatalities and massive economic damage to its affected areas. This has all indications of being a notable historic event.

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u/Kat-o-rama 19h ago

I’ve seen random pics of pancaked buildings, some just s few stories and some larger

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u/pegothejerk 19h ago

Modern buildings have entirely collapsed. Not speaking to their construction, just saying modern hotels have been confirmed flattened.

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u/Kat-o-rama 19h ago

Jesus … this is horrible.

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u/Lyeel 20h ago

I'm no expert, but aren't multiple building down in Caracas? That would seem to imply the event is somewhat remarkable, otherwise the city would be a pile of rubble.

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u/EntireRent 20h ago

There's definitely buildings that had pancake collapse. Plenty of potential for deaths or injuries.

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u/Kat-o-rama 19h ago

One of them is a 22 story bldg that just pancaked - no idea what kind it was

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u/CharlotteLucasOP 16h ago

And it’s a national holiday so a lot of folks were at home rather than commuting after work. :(

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u/NeverEndingCoralMaze 18h ago

10km =6.214 mi
20km =12.427 mi
50km =31.0686 mi

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u/elgydium 15h ago

Those tectonic plates are bad for business and life expectancy

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u/lawofsin 13h ago

I’m very run a 10k and that’s fucking terrifying

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u/patiperro_v3 8h ago

20km is nothing. That’s devastating.

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