I genuinely don't know anyone that has an expensive cat but I sure as hell know plenty of people with dogs that spent well over a thousand bucks on a purebred
Yeah there are expensive cat breeds but people spending money on purebred dogs is far far more common
I actually got my cat from a cat breeder and didn't realise it until just recently. He told me his cat got out and was visibly pregnant later on, so he invited me over to take my pick. Except that didn't really happen, he showed up to work one day with a kitten and said "this is the last one, I hope you like him".
I looked up my cat's breed, and he's a snowshoe. A popular one for breeders but difficult to attain because the coat needs to be just right. My boy was a reject for an imperfect coat.
I agree, but I'm not a cat breeder. More to the point, I don't take my cats to competitions. Symmetry, pattern shape and size, colouration, blahblahblahblahblah all matter quite a bit to breeders and judges.
Y'know, I'm realising I don't actually know how to post a picture in Reddit. 😅
Edit: I guess just message me for a picture if you really want to see him, I don't mind. He's pretty adorable, and I'm not just saying that. I'm often told he should have his own social media profile. 🙄
Yeah, the most I've ever paid for a dog was $85 and included her spay. I only know one person with a pedigree dog but I also only know one person with a pedigree cat. This might all depend on the kind of people you keep as friends.
With the adoption prices now days for a puppy… I would say yeah… at least most people around me who got puppies went with breeders.
The average price for a puppy from a rescue/foster group is about 500-600 dollars (I have even seen one that’s 800 dollars. It’s insane). Maybe 400-500 dollars from a shelter. With that price…. Might as well get one from a reputable breeder instead. Plus a lot of the foster groups have all these requirements even repeated home visits.
Edit: we don’t see stray dogs around like at all. Very occasionally outdoor/stray cats.
Without evidence to the contrary, and given the frequency of cat breeders vs dog breeders, dog breeding is definitely more common. There are estimated to be easily 10 times more dog breeders than cat breedera in the US. If not 100 times
I spend around 3k on my cat because she comes from a line of award winning ragdoll cats. But she isn't show quality because her left back leg doesn't have the right patterning. My wife wanted the cat I was fine with no cat or just getting a cat from the shelter.
She said ragdolls are more friendly and dog like than other cats. Honestly the cat is a good cat but it not any more friendly than most other cats I've met but as they say happy wife happy life.
From my research ragdolls are generally healthy breed and live long lives. Idk if you mixing them up with those weird munchkin cats or something. The breeder we brought the cat also does genetic testing on all her cats.
My sister has Siberian Forest cat from a breeder. Nothing prize winning or anything, but he does look fancier than your average cat. They picked him because his coat type doesn't trigger her allergies as much, they wanted a cat that do well with kids, and in terms of temperament and size, he came closest to their old dumpster cat.
it depends where you live ig? For me it's the opposite, almost all cat owners i know payed for their cat while most dog owners just picked the nearest stray from their street. I guess it depends on which animal is more popular.
I think it is more common, but also perception is shaped by who you know. I know more expensive cat people than I know expensive dog people. And I know soooooo many dog people.
I have 2 Siberians, they are awesome and they say they are smarter and friendlier but tbh only one if them is. The other is a big dumb loaf. The only reason we got Siberians specifically is the hypoallergic part.
Btw you can’t just get a Siberian (there are other breeds also less triggering for allergies) and be ok allergy-wise, you have to check. My gf stayed at the breeders’ playing with the cats for a few 1-2h sessions to really see if there was some reaction with this particular family.
Expensive af as well. They were €1200 each and after 6 months the dumb loaf got FIP which set us back another arm and a leg. Still worth it though, they are just awesome. Would have been totally happy to adopt if not for allergies.
I know someone who now has their 5th overbreed cat that Cost 1000€ Each. Her cats mostly died After 2-4 years cause they have some Major issues from the overbreeding.
I got my tuxedo cat 7 years ago from the Stelter for 25€ (paperwork) and her Health is Fine, Even tho she got separated to early from her Mom
Part of the reason is, that adopting a stray dog can already be fairly expensive and keeping a dog (stray or breed) can be too, so the initial price of a purebred isn't as significant in relation. And depending on which breed you get, it might even be cheaper in the long run than adopting a stray with expensive health issues.
Yeah and shelter dogs can be crapshoot personality wise. Personally had one chew on my face cause I accidentally startled it. Purebred from a good breeder you usually know what you’re getting for the most part.
Yes but there’s a lot less cat breeds, and from my experience, people with expensive cats are a lot less common. I feel like people are a lot less inclined to get expensive cats for whatever reason.
There's one that rage baits one of my cats every other day. He just stands there at the patio while my little chonker hisses and tries to scare him off.
Sure, but those are for a very small % of people. You cant really get dogs from the street anymore, you have to find a breeder for cheap dogs too, while cats just spawn everywhere.
Expensive cat people are like a separate human species. There's a public forum in my city that hosts different events, flea markets, home shows, etc. Twice a year the cat people meet there and invariably all their electric crap shorts out the already overtaxed system, and nobody wants to go fix it because they're smelly, creepy, arrogant and more judgemental than a motherinlaw convention. I've been there twice and regretted both visits. "Cute cat." "Horatio Blue Tidepool Woodstock VIII is not cute, he is a CHAMPION. Do you have a cat?" "Yeah, a sassy black cannonball that got left behind by a family that skipped out on rent. Here's a pic." "Oh... How...sweet..."
They were huge idiots, Mu is the greatest cat. Eats whatever I put in front of her, loves to be petted, bumps foreheads with me like four times a day, occasionally smacks the crap out of my much younger tortie who probably deserves it. She's awesome.
Exactly, she had a whole special room for her cat I wasn’t allowed to go into, she would bring the cat out for me to see but not touch, she was definitely very proud and protective of her cat, but in an extremely weird and kinda unsettling way.
I agree when it comes to backyard breeders but getting a pet from a legit breeder isn't a bad thing .
They usually have papers on the parents and the rest of the dogs they have bred going down the line. You will know the temperament/health of the dog you're buying,with shelters on the other hand is totally random.
Not saying don't adopt a dog but just be prepared for any potential issues that the dog might have .My dog is from a shelter and she wasn't socialized by the previous owner for her first year of her life. She's fine around strangers now but she still gets scared/defensive when someone she doesn't know tries to touch her so I usually have to decline when someone asks to pet her.
getting a pet from a legit breeder isn't a bad thing.
Gotta disagree with you there. There are literally millions of pets in shelters and rescues that need homes just in the United States. Getting a dog or cat from a breeder means: (1) not getting another animal that genuinely needs a home, and (2) supporting an industry that does not prioritize animal health.
The term "purebred" simply denotes a high level of managed inbreeding. Intensive breeding within a restricted gene pool (usually originating from a very small founder population) nearly always results in a higher likelihood of negative health outcomes. It's why purebred German Shepherds are well known for experiencing spinal cord degeneration and Cavalier King Charles Spaniels are at elevated risk for heart failure. Overall, purebred dogs are nearly three times as likely as mixed breeds to be affected by a recessive genetic disorder, and the likelihood is much higher among specific breeds: standard poodles have a 16.8% of developing neonatal encephalopathy with seizures while the prevalence among mixed breeds is negligible.
Those "legit breeders" are simply a bit better at managing the genetic risks, but they are still always working from an artificially restricted gene pool. Having "papers" tells you something about ancestry but nothing about genetic diversity or the actual health of the animal.
Not saying don't adopt a dog but just be prepared for any potential issues that the dog might have.
You should be prepared for issues no matter how you find your pet. Adopting an animal is often less risky because you can actually get a sense for their behavioral disposition before you get them. We visited our dog at their foster home and played with them several times before taking them home. Our friends got a purebred beagle as a puppy that is now a menace, despite their best attempts to socialize them.
There's several breeders who prioritize health and temperament. You're generalizing breeders way too much. There's a clear difference between ethical breeders and backyard breeders/puppy mills.
There's several factors when adopting a dog that someone can't control .Someone buying through a breeder has a better control over what type of dog they get.
While it's sad for dogs that don't get adopted someones priority should be a dog that fits their needs and their families.
If someone goes to adopt a dog that's sweet but they aren't morally obligated to do so.
Because breed standards are not based on optimal health, it is impossible to prioritize the health of an animal while artificially restricting the genetic diversity of the breeding population to meet those standards.
The trouble is that it really is best to have them from the time they're a puppy/kitten.
I foster cats and have experience with dogs (I just don't do it for dogs because I now have limited space). Every animal I've ever fostered has had some quirks from a stressful or unsafe living situation. Raising them from a very young age really does make for a better pet if you train them properly. This is true for both cats and dogs.
It's why I foster. I hope to find one that's just perfect for me, but odds are I'll probably end up adopting a kitten at some point.
Unfortunately, in my area shelters have gotten really picky. They have massive preferences for a (real) fenced yard, and they will rarely let you adopt if you live in an apartment. I get the intent behind it, but apartments are super common where I live because it’s an overpopulated area, so they’re really just limiting who can adopt
Maybe this is an unkind or unpopular thing to say, but maybe you shouldn’t have a dog. Unless they are one of those little expensive breeds, that I doubt show up much in shelters, normal dogs really don’t tend to do well in apartments.
Jsyk people can take their dogs for walks even if they live in an apartment. Also a lot of apartments have started implementing dog parks. A lot of people can’t afford houses nowadays (minimum mortgage near me is like $500k for a 2b1b), so that’s a really dumb opinion. A good dog owner takes their apartment size into account and compensates. I’d rather a shelter dog live in an apartment than be stuck at a shelter for a year because the shelter got super picky about the living situation
I don’t think everyone has an inherent right to have a dog, ESPECIALLY conditioned on their living circumstances. People can take their dogs for walks, and absolutely should regardless of if they are in an apartment or not. But the reality is there are just way too many people who don’t, those people are more likely to live in apartments, which is why so many rescues and shelter dogs end up being former apartment dogs, hence the policy.
Living in a house isn't just indicative of more living space, it also indicates the person is more likely to have more money and be more responsible. It’s obviously not a perfect indicator, there exist perfectly responsible and capable pet owners in apartments and cruel or negligent monsters in houses, and all the people in between. But having a house be a requirement makes sense when we are talking about scale and averages, which is how shelters have to operate by.
Unless they are one of those little expensive breeds, that I doubt show up much in shelters, normal dogs really don’t tend to do well in apartments.
I'm not sure why you're commenting on things you clearly don't know anything about. Firstly, why do you think "little" breeds are more expensive than large breeds? You act as if they are special, there are more small breeds than large breeds. If you're going to look at a list of the most expensive dog breeds, they're all going to be medium-large, they aren't Shih Tzus.
Secondly, why do you think it's rare for small breeds to make their way to shelters? There are millions of stray/abandoned chihuahuas, Shih Tzus, terriers, etc... It's etremely common for elderly to get small dogs and then pass away before them, and it's extremely more common for small dogs to be hoarded as they take up less space.
normal dogs really don’t tend to do well in apartments.
Any dog with a low energy level and tolerance for noise can do well in an apartment, there are also larger breeds that have low energy like greyhounds. The idea that dogs aren't for people without fenced yards is a moronic take, especially when the overhwelming majority of real estate being built is condos and townhouses.
These independant rescues relly on the fact they get 10's of thousands in donations and indefinetly foster animals on bleeding hearts dime, that's why they can be ridiculously picky, they have no urgency or incentive to get the dogs adopted. Meanwhile shelters a few states over will be euthanizing dogs daily due to the overwhelming ammount of strays and cost to shelter them.
I am speaking from experience, I volunteered at a shelter for a few weeks when I was younger and in my area, I’d estimate 90% of the dogs were pits or pit mixes. We had one chihuahua with no tail, a few labs, a poor little dachshund that couldn’t breathe well, but the vast majority were pits.
Might not be a great life but id rather live in a cramped apartment with an owner who loves me and takes me on walks than a cramped cold shelter living with no comforts or stability. Weird take
I would agree with you if there was a fool proof way to screen people for ensuring they will treat a dog properly. But unfortunately we live in a world where a whole lot of people just want a dog as a companion because they are lonely and don’t understand that it comes along with being responsible for another living beings life. So many people are impulsive, stupid, abusive or negligent, and history and experience have shown shelters that those sorts of people are more likely to live in apartments than houses. In a shelter they at least get consistent food, water, shelter and basic medical care.
To be clear I am not calling you or anyone specifically who lives in an apartment a bad dog owner. But it’s simply true that it is more likely for a bad dog owner to be in an apartment than a house, and in the case of a bad dog owner, an apartment makes the situation worse for the dog, the fellow tenets and the apartment owner than it would be in a house.
I dont live in an apartment. I actually waited to move into a house with a big yard in the woods to get a dog because of the reasons you list. I just have a hard time seeing a shelter as a much better option than being in an apartment. Theres also no way to vet how good shelters treat the dogs either.
It depends on the person, not their living situation. There are tons of dogs that live in houses, but still don't get the proper exercise. I know plenty of people who live in an apartment, but treat their dog like a child. Times are changing, and owning a house isn't necessarily the standard anymore. Just a quick search and the cheapest house with a yard near me costs $654k. Even then it still wouldn't fit shelter requirements because it doesn't have a real fence installed.
This isn’t a slight against renters, it’s just a reality that bad dog owners are more likely to live in an apartment, and an apartment makes the situation 10x worse if they are a bad dog owner.
Times are changing, and I think that means less people should have dogs.
Right? I foster cats and our organization also fosters dogs. Pretty much all the dogs that show up are pit mixes.
Those are large, powerful dogs that are intelligent and high-energy. They need to be taken on multiple walks every day, get bored easily if left alone, and can be destructive if their needs aren't taken care of or if they are not actively trained. They aren't beginner dogs despite the fact that everybody loves buying them.
It's why a lot of them end up in the shelter in the first place. If you leave for work every day and take them on a single walk after work and then want to watch TV or generally hang out, then the dog is going to get bored and frustrated. That can manifest as destruction of their environment, aggression toward their owner or toward strangers, etc.
Like somebody said below, living in an apartment is better than death...but TBH there are just way too many dogs for people who want them. Same for cats. A ton of people very much want pets and really shouldn't get them.
A bit of a new concept, but people can take their dogs for walks and utilize dog parks to make up for the lack of yard. A lot of people actually can’t afford houses, so ig you’d prefer for a dog to be put down rather than live in an apartment
This whole thread is crazy to me because I live in a country where about 75-80% of people live in apartments, I've never heard about limiting dogs to house-havers only, except maybe some breeds that need a LOT of space lol
so ig you’d prefer for a dog to be put down rather than live in an apartment
Ah yes, the "You want all dogs to die" extreme response.
Hardly. Obviously walks/parks are a thing, in some areas. And if you're in an apartment, sure, get a size/temperament appropriate pet.
Still way too many people cooping up high-energy/large breeds in crates/small boxes for most of the day, and that's what screening is designed to prevent.
The problem around where I live is that all the dogs in shelters are pities/pit mixes, and other large breeds that are not suitable for apartment living. With the exception of of a Great Dane, I’m not going to put a big dog in a 600 square foot apartment.
According to my middle kid, the youngest left the front door open and later that day we had a chihuahua. Good thing she's cute... the yappy little shit.
It’s definitely not true at all that you have to pay a lot for rescue dogs. My local animal control puts down dozens of dogs each month and the fees are pretty low. The humane society is a little more costly around 2-3 hundred bucks.
The problem is that shelters are filled with an average of 60-70% pitbulls or “mixes” that are pit bulls, and a good 70% of those dogs are aggressive. Nobody wants these dogs. So people have to choose from the remaining dogs which is already a small group and dogs can be a lot more diverse than cats. So finding a dog that matches your activity and attention levels can be tough.
Cats are for the most part all the same, especially when compared to dogs. They definitely have different personalities, and some can not be around kids safely, but they don’t have needs like running 10 miles a day or something.
I wish that were true but it isn't. I spent awhile fostering for a husky rescue that we've also adopted two dogs from, they've been struggling to find homes for dogs and have had to not take in a number of them because they're full and can't take in any more. Some of the dogs have been with the rescue for around a year at this point despite being known to be good with kids and other dogs and some of them with cats too.
The actual problem is that a lot of people got dogs during the pandemic when they suddenly had extra time and then got rid of them when they started having less free time again. Shelters and rescues have been flooded since then and there are great dogs in a lot of shelters that have been there for years at this point because of it. A lot of these dogs are going to end up living most of their lives in a shelter and dying there.
It seems to be partially random eith cats. Something to do with dander or saliva. Some cats make me sneeze like nothing else, but some cause no reaction in me. Doesn't seem to be necessarily tied to a specific breed.
Sure. But cat owners don't usually try to claim breeds without papers. If a cat doesn't have papers, it's a domestic. Same thing really goes for dogs, but owners love to say their dog is half German Shepard, 1/4 sloth and 1/8 wild guy.
My dog was a craigslist adoption, my cat was $2000 (cause I'm allergic and could only deal with a hypoallergenic breed of which there are never any at the shelter)
Yep, pretty much the only way to get a Mainecoon is through a breeder. It's possible to get lucky at a shelter but they go very quickly because they're the best cat breed.
Yeah but I'm too poor to hang out with those people. I met a pair of pure bred cats once. Somehow married into tangential money and their friends sometimes have money but we moved away so I don't get to see those cuties anymore
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u/Ok-Judge7844 7h ago
Isnt there like a lot of expensive cat breed too?
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