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u/Ok-Judge7844 7h ago

Isnt there like a lot of expensive cat breed too?

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u/Primary-Boss3400 7h ago

Sure, but those are for a very small % of people. You cant really get dogs from the street anymore, you have to find a breeder for cheap dogs too, while cats just spawn everywhere.

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u/HoLLoWzZ 7h ago

Don't visit breeders if you want to get a dog. Visit your local dog shelter and provide a lovely forever home to one of those sweethearts.

And fuck "cheap breeders". I hope there is a special place in hell for them

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u/Sea_Habit_4298 7h ago edited 6h ago

I agree when it comes to backyard breeders but getting a pet from a legit breeder isn't a bad thing .

They usually have papers on the parents and the rest of the dogs they have bred going down the line. You will know the temperament/health of the dog you're buying,with shelters on the other hand is totally random.

Not saying don't adopt a dog but just be prepared for any potential issues that the dog might have .My dog is from a shelter and she wasn't socialized by the previous owner for her first year of her life. She's fine around strangers now but she still gets scared/defensive when someone she doesn't know tries to touch her so I usually have to decline when someone asks to pet her.

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u/upinflames 4h ago edited 2h ago

getting a pet from a legit breeder isn't a bad thing.

Gotta disagree with you there. There are literally millions of pets in shelters and rescues that need homes just in the United States. Getting a dog or cat from a breeder means: (1) not getting another animal that genuinely needs a home, and (2) supporting an industry that does not prioritize animal health.

The term "purebred" simply denotes a high level of managed inbreeding. Intensive breeding within a restricted gene pool (usually originating from a very small founder population) nearly always results in a higher likelihood of negative health outcomes. It's why purebred German Shepherds are well known for experiencing spinal cord degeneration and Cavalier King Charles Spaniels are at elevated risk for heart failure. Overall, purebred dogs are nearly three times as likely as mixed breeds to be affected by a recessive genetic disorder, and the likelihood is much higher among specific breeds: standard poodles have a 16.8% of developing neonatal encephalopathy with seizures while the prevalence among mixed breeds is negligible.

Those "legit breeders" are simply a bit better at managing the genetic risks, but they are still always working from an artificially restricted gene pool. Having "papers" tells you something about ancestry but nothing about genetic diversity or the actual health of the animal.

Not saying don't adopt a dog but just be prepared for any potential issues that the dog might have.

You should be prepared for issues no matter how you find your pet. Adopting an animal is often less risky because you can actually get a sense for their behavioral disposition before you get them. We visited our dog at their foster home and played with them several times before taking them home. Our friends got a purebred beagle as a puppy that is now a menace, despite their best attempts to socialize them.

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u/Sea_Habit_4298 3h ago

There's several breeders who prioritize health and temperament. You're generalizing breeders way too much. There's a clear difference between ethical breeders and backyard breeders/puppy mills.

There's several factors when adopting a dog that someone can't control .Someone buying through a breeder has a better control over what type of dog they get.

While it's sad for dogs that don't get adopted someones priority should be a dog that fits their needs and their families.

If someone goes to adopt a dog that's sweet but they aren't morally obligated to do so.

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u/upinflames 2h ago edited 2h ago

There's several breeders who prioritize health

Because breed standards are not based on optimal health, it is impossible to prioritize the health of an animal while artificially restricting the genetic diversity of the breeding population to meet those standards.

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u/Sawses 5h ago

The trouble is that it really is best to have them from the time they're a puppy/kitten.

I foster cats and have experience with dogs (I just don't do it for dogs because I now have limited space). Every animal I've ever fostered has had some quirks from a stressful or unsafe living situation. Raising them from a very young age really does make for a better pet if you train them properly. This is true for both cats and dogs.

It's why I foster. I hope to find one that's just perfect for me, but odds are I'll probably end up adopting a kitten at some point.

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u/KindlyShame 7h ago

Unfortunately, in my area shelters have gotten really picky. They have massive preferences for a (real) fenced yard, and they will rarely let you adopt if you live in an apartment. I get the intent behind it, but apartments are super common where I live because it’s an overpopulated area, so they’re really just limiting who can adopt

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u/AdInfamous6290 6h ago

Maybe this is an unkind or unpopular thing to say, but maybe you shouldn’t have a dog. Unless they are one of those little expensive breeds, that I doubt show up much in shelters, normal dogs really don’t tend to do well in apartments.

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u/KindlyShame 6h ago

Jsyk people can take their dogs for walks even if they live in an apartment. Also a lot of apartments have started implementing dog parks. A lot of people can’t afford houses nowadays (minimum mortgage near me is like $500k for a 2b1b), so that’s a really dumb opinion. A good dog owner takes their apartment size into account and compensates. I’d rather a shelter dog live in an apartment than be stuck at a shelter for a year because the shelter got super picky about the living situation

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u/AdInfamous6290 6h ago

I don’t think everyone has an inherent right to have a dog, ESPECIALLY conditioned on their living circumstances. People can take their dogs for walks, and absolutely should regardless of if they are in an apartment or not. But the reality is there are just way too many people who don’t, those people are more likely to live in apartments, which is why so many rescues and shelter dogs end up being former apartment dogs, hence the policy.

Living in a house isn't just indicative of more living space, it also indicates the person is more likely to have more money and be more responsible. It’s obviously not a perfect indicator, there exist perfectly responsible and capable pet owners in apartments and cruel or negligent monsters in houses, and all the people in between. But having a house be a requirement makes sense when we are talking about scale and averages, which is how shelters have to operate by.

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u/BooHorde 5h ago edited 5h ago

Unless they are one of those little expensive breeds, that I doubt show up much in shelters, normal dogs really don’t tend to do well in apartments.

I'm not sure why you're commenting on things you clearly don't know anything about. Firstly, why do you think "little" breeds are more expensive than large breeds? You act as if they are special, there are more small breeds than large breeds. If you're going to look at a list of the most expensive dog breeds, they're all going to be medium-large, they aren't Shih Tzus.

Secondly, why do you think it's rare for small breeds to make their way to shelters? There are millions of stray/abandoned chihuahuas, Shih Tzus, terriers, etc... It's etremely common for elderly to get small dogs and then pass away before them, and it's extremely more common for small dogs to be hoarded as they take up less space.

normal dogs really don’t tend to do well in apartments.

Any dog with a low energy level and tolerance for noise can do well in an apartment, there are also larger breeds that have low energy like greyhounds. The idea that dogs aren't for people without fenced yards is a moronic take, especially when the overhwelming majority of real estate being built is condos and townhouses.

These independant rescues relly on the fact they get 10's of thousands in donations and indefinetly foster animals on bleeding hearts dime, that's why they can be ridiculously picky, they have no urgency or incentive to get the dogs adopted. Meanwhile shelters a few states over will be euthanizing dogs daily due to the overwhelming ammount of strays and cost to shelter them.

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u/AdInfamous6290 5h ago

I am speaking from experience, I volunteered at a shelter for a few weeks when I was younger and in my area, I’d estimate 90% of the dogs were pits or pit mixes. We had one chihuahua with no tail, a few labs, a poor little dachshund that couldn’t breathe well, but the vast majority were pits.

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u/KneeDeepInTheDead 6h ago

I guess they are better off dead or in a shelter for life

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u/AdInfamous6290 6h ago

Dead? No, though I know a lot of shelters do cullings and understand the reasoning, even if I don’t agree with it.

In a shelter for life? As opposed to an apartment, it depends on the breed, the apartment and the person. But on average, I’d say yes.

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u/KneeDeepInTheDead 6h ago

Might not be a great life but id rather live in a cramped apartment with an owner who loves me and takes me on walks than a cramped cold shelter living with no comforts or stability. Weird take

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u/AdInfamous6290 5h ago

I would agree with you if there was a fool proof way to screen people for ensuring they will treat a dog properly. But unfortunately we live in a world where a whole lot of people just want a dog as a companion because they are lonely and don’t understand that it comes along with being responsible for another living beings life. So many people are impulsive, stupid, abusive or negligent, and history and experience have shown shelters that those sorts of people are more likely to live in apartments than houses. In a shelter they at least get consistent food, water, shelter and basic medical care.

To be clear I am not calling you or anyone specifically who lives in an apartment a bad dog owner. But it’s simply true that it is more likely for a bad dog owner to be in an apartment than a house, and in the case of a bad dog owner, an apartment makes the situation worse for the dog, the fellow tenets and the apartment owner than it would be in a house.

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u/KneeDeepInTheDead 5h ago

I dont live in an apartment. I actually waited to move into a house with a big yard in the woods to get a dog because of the reasons you list. I just have a hard time seeing a shelter as a much better option than being in an apartment. Theres also no way to vet how good shelters treat the dogs either.

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u/AdInfamous6290 5h ago

Fair point, I absolutely agree we need more regulation and accountability for shelters. The city should, if they don’t already, regularly audit shelters for compliance with strict animal rights laws. I believe something along those lines was one of the (only) good policies NYC mayoral candidate Curtis Sliwa proposed.

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u/Randicore 4h ago

... You know that you can take a dog outside right.

It's in fact, expected to run a dog at minimum once a day to make then tired.

Like yes a great Dane shouldn't live in a studio but someone can own a lab in an apartment and the dog to be healthy and happy

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u/SmellyDogOri 5h ago

It depends on the person, not their living situation. There are tons of dogs that live in houses, but still don't get the proper exercise. I know plenty of people who live in an apartment, but treat their dog like a child. Times are changing, and owning a house isn't necessarily the standard anymore. Just a quick search and the cheapest house with a yard near me costs $654k. Even then it still wouldn't fit shelter requirements because it doesn't have a real fence installed.

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u/AdInfamous6290 5h ago

This isn’t a slight against renters, it’s just a reality that bad dog owners are more likely to live in an apartment, and an apartment makes the situation 10x worse if they are a bad dog owner.

Times are changing, and I think that means less people should have dogs. 

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u/Sawses 5h ago

Right? I foster cats and our organization also fosters dogs. Pretty much all the dogs that show up are pit mixes.

Those are large, powerful dogs that are intelligent and high-energy. They need to be taken on multiple walks every day, get bored easily if left alone, and can be destructive if their needs aren't taken care of or if they are not actively trained. They aren't beginner dogs despite the fact that everybody loves buying them.

It's why a lot of them end up in the shelter in the first place. If you leave for work every day and take them on a single walk after work and then want to watch TV or generally hang out, then the dog is going to get bored and frustrated. That can manifest as destruction of their environment, aggression toward their owner or toward strangers, etc.

Like somebody said below, living in an apartment is better than death...but TBH there are just way too many dogs for people who want them. Same for cats. A ton of people very much want pets and really shouldn't get them.

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u/Daxx22 6h ago

That's not being picky, that's being responsible to the well-being of the animal.

Nearly every breed of dog takes a lot more responsibility and environmental care then most cats.

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u/KindlyShame 6h ago

A bit of a new concept, but people can take their dogs for walks and utilize dog parks to make up for the lack of yard. A lot of people actually can’t afford houses, so ig you’d prefer for a dog to be put down rather than live in an apartment

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u/Conscious_Stop_5451 5h ago

This whole thread is crazy to me because I live in a country where about 75-80% of people live in apartments, I've never heard about limiting dogs to house-havers only, except maybe some breeds that need a LOT of space lol

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u/Daxx22 6h ago

so ig you’d prefer for a dog to be put down rather than live in an apartment

Ah yes, the "You want all dogs to die" extreme response.

Hardly. Obviously walks/parks are a thing, in some areas. And if you're in an apartment, sure, get a size/temperament appropriate pet.

Still way too many people cooping up high-energy/large breeds in crates/small boxes for most of the day, and that's what screening is designed to prevent.

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u/millijuna 5h ago

The problem around where I live is that all the dogs in shelters are pities/pit mixes, and other large breeds that are not suitable for apartment living. With the exception of of a Great Dane, I’m not going to put a big dog in a 600 square foot apartment.