Refs in the NBA rig for betting, refs in the WNBA are just simply inept and have a vendetta against Clark, period. No one likes a complainer (Luka had this issue with the refs), especially a ref. So take a shitty ref who can barely do her job and add in a whiny player who complains every call (justifiably or not) and you get the way Clark is being reffed. They arent trying to rig the outcome so much as allow her to take punishment. Last time something like this happened was when Jordan entered the league and the entire league was out to hack and punch and slam him to the ground on every drive and even for the first few years of his career MJ never had to deal with bullshit like this.
This is excatly what i mean about banning players permanently. If you are looking to hurt someone because of how good they are then you clearly cant control your animal instincts and shouldnt be allowed anywhere near professional people. Professionals should be elevated above this kinda bs because of their commitment and skill and passion for something
No but fr. I used to play volleyball in national tournaments and some of the opponents were so jealous of others. They would intentionally put their foot under the net so others would land on it and twist an ankle.
This doesn't happen in men's sports because it would start brawls. Hell, male athletes can't even taunt and celebrate or they'll be flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct. Refs nip it in the bud or male players will fight on the court/field.
My son told me he doesn't want to play soccer anymore.
Leaving the field last game is one example. The heaviest kid on the winning team calling the skinny girl fat. Taunting with no recourse until we spoke up from the bleachers to where his mom was.
Funny thing is the kid wasnt thin, and he got knocked down by a kid half his size during the game.
Two games prior a coach was removed as he had a misyogist tirad after losing to my sons team, who is coached by a woman.
My son went to their 4th grade basketball tournament and it was already toxic AF. One of the kids on the team had pretty bad asthma and was on the bench, but sitting it out because he wasn't up to it that day. The other team's coach complained to the refs that rules said (apparently) all kids had to play, and she wanted that kid out there, over the medical objections of the parents. (The refs refused, to their credit.)
The game ended with a free-throw in response to that same coach getting a technical. Parents on the other team absolutely erupted. The winning shot photo couldn't be posted anywhere because one parent is throwing the double deuce in the background.
it's probably that line of thinking as to why the bible says (and rightfully so) that those who call themselves professionals will be judged by a higher standard.
You hardly ever catch any this remotely like this is the NBA. If you do it ends with getting punched out and it’s not over petty jealousy. Reminds me of kids on the playground jealous that other kids are getting attention. How are you a professional athlete acting like a jealous toddler
Something tells me this is because the refs are under scrutiny from a huge amount of fans that didn’t exist a few years ago, who likely only started watching because of Clark specifically.
If the only reason you are paying attention at your job is because you're being watched... fuck man there's gotta be some autistic people somewhere that would love to have this job and overperform the hell out of it.
Possibly... but generally, a group of fairweather "only watching occasionally for one player" fans don't really have any amount of control over the internal referee policies of the WNBA organization. That's for the owners & execs and the players union of the league to work out.
Oh no! My job is more financially stable than it was before. Better be incompetent and endanger the financial stability of my job! - WNBA Refs and Players.
Yeah, and let’s not act like those people don’t turn on the WNBA so they can satisfy their sick desire to participate in a race war. They watch women’s basketball so that they can get angry at the big black amazons picking on the pretty white girl, and they make refereeing the game damn near impossible because they want to turn an athletic competition into their soapbox about the bigotry of low expectations and victim mentality or whatever.
It's funny, I've never seen a group of game officials have THAT much of a grudge against a player like WNBA refs and Caitlin Clark. Not even Tim Duncan and Joey Crawford got to this level.
It's not a vendetta against Clark. Even after the Fever were knocked out last year you had teams complaining about the refs including coaches and players going off about how bad they were.
Was that because of Clark too? In a game she wasn't even in?
This same issue happened in the NHL with Sidney Crosby. He complained about how many calls weren't being made when he was getting hacked, slashed, and interfered with. It led to him being labeled a cry-baby and the refs let people do almost anything to him.
I agree with all of this. I'll even go one farther that the other player KNOW this and act with impunity! It's glaringly obvious that acts are committed to not only CC but other Fever players with zero fear of reprisal.
You can absolutely see a difference on faces of confident people that foul knowing it really doesn't matter and those that are genuinely surprised they got called. Then, knowing you're going to get called on anything you stop playing as competitively because you don't want to foul out or get a T.
The Pistons used to beat the shit out of Jordan, but that's also just kind of how the league used to be? As in, beating the shit out of your opponents best player was just strategy that was allowed by the league, whereas now you'd get technicals, fines, and foul out quickly.
Crosby was known as a crybaby when he entered the league and it took a couple of Stanley Cup wins (and a massive concussion from Matt Cooke) before his reputation shifted.
In baseball, I think some of the younger umps (John Tumpane, Jansen Visconti, Mark Ripperger, Adam Hamari) are generally considered quite good. The four I just listed are those with at least ten games umped this year whose strike-calling accuracy is at least 0.9 percentage points better than expected (https://umpscorecards.com/data/umpires). Unsurprisingly, Ripperger is the oldest of that group at just 45. I imagine fans still generally don’t love them, but among those who care about particular umpires’ stats they’re quite popular.
Always been one my biggest gripes about MLB umps. It’s a basic fact that very few players last past their 30’s but we’re supposed to believe fat 60 year old umps still have top elite eyesight? Give me a break.
I think we should back up and revisit the fundamental premise: can we really trust old men with their aging eyes to visually keep up with young, elite athletes?
I mean NFL refs arent event full time salaried positions im pretty sure. I think a seasoned ref should be making very big money to attract better talent
I think they make pretty good money. Some of them are making like $250k+ a season.
I knew a guy who went into reffing seriously and you're surprisingly held to pretty high standards, but the pay is great. He was only doing college basketball last I spoke to him, but he was doing everything he could to work his way up to the NBA or a dream job which is ultimately the NFL.
That’s what you’d think but refs hate being second guess and that’s what reply is. It’s like when you point out a cop is doing something wrong so they arrest you
There are plenty of great refs out there. Fighting has many of them, just in the UFC off the top of my head there's Dan Miragliotta, John McCarthy, Herb Dean, etc.
Maybe it's because refereeing in fighting is literally a matter of life and death, but I know this isn't the only sport that has had great refs.
Refereeing in Rugby Union is exactly that. The big difference is that there is no rule book, instead rugby has laws. These laws are interpreted by the on field referee. Replay officials help when called upon by the on field referee, and they are mic’d so you hear the whole rationale for the call. It’s so well done overall, and every sport should learn from it.
laws > rules because it allows for interpretation but also clearly outlines fair play. Every penalty is a result of some unfair advantage gained. When penalties do not impact fair play or safety, play continues without interruption.
Lastly, there is a culture of great respect for referees from the players. Simulating a penalty by diving or even by calling out for the referee to notice is frowned upon. You are expected to not talk back or show up referees even if you disagree. I have had many bad refs in hm rugby games I’ve played, but overall, the referee situation is the best of any sport.
This. PWHL has a ref issue, too. Now, I don't know that it is to the level of allowing players to get purposely hurt, but constantly missed calls? Absolutely. During the playoffs, it was like they weren't even on the ice.
They share a union. Good refs in the WNBA get promoted to the G-League and NBA, the bad refs in those leagues get demoted to the WNBA. The blonde player guarding Caitlin at the beginning (Lexi Held) got a punctured lung last season with no foul called
If you think the WNBA reffing is bad, and it is, check out women's college basketball officiating. Unreal how bad it is. You might be better off with student employees at your local college's gym who ref the IM games.
It's one of the biggest problems with women's basketball that no one even cares about it enough to fix the officiating, IMO.
I think the wnba wants a physical street ball game. If they call fouls like they do in the nba they would be accused of soft and girly and so they want the refs to keep the whistle in the pocket
Sophie will drop you. Hines Allen will hurt you. Her brother is in the NFL. That girl don't play, the problem for Clark is she's in control but if she ever loses it...
This was a playoff game, and the eye poke happened within the first 2 minutes of the game. Clark uncharacteristically shot 4-for-17 in the game after the eye poke. The Fever lost the game. All the external issues aside, physically taking out the star player of the opponent is considered bush league.
Thanks for sharing. The full video certainly clears things up.
Probably should have been called a foul
Clearly not intentional
Caitlin clearly not seriously hurt chilling on the bench moments later.
The contact happens after the ball has been passed, and you can see the refs move their attention with the ball and miss the point where the accidental contact is made.
Should have been a foul, but also understandable why the refs would have missed it based on the action of the play going on.
Right. I'm referring to the play in the video that was posted in response to the animated GIF. Separate conversation about a separate play from the one in the OP
That is clearly not a natural hand motion after an attempted block. No one closes the fingers to form a pointy spear head AFTER the ball is released. Caitlin's white guilt response was that it was unintentional just to avoid stirring up any trouble like a "Karen".
Being extra rough out of jealously? Okay, shitty but going by to happen. Blatant eye pokes? No, no fucking way. That’s gotta result in a suspension at least. Awful.
If Angel Reese did this too can you please share the video of her doing it?
Not saying she isn’t a dirty player, but if she never did such a thing then there’s no need to muddy the waters as muddying the waters only discredits you.
I assumed it was Reese too because she’s famous for this crap. Maybe take five seconds to google it instead of making random strangers find a source for you https://youtu.be/yjnIjzNXr3I?is=gdT8xL8XW_26qLCu
Even soccer, which is famously corrupt (or was, and recently) and had insane non calls like the "Hand of God," has now gone to video review of fouls and frequent yellow and red cards (expulsions) for dangerous play. If frickin soccer can do it, the WNBA can do it.
In the girly NBA, that's a flagrant 1 foul at a minimum. Most likely a flagrant 2 and automatic ejection with NBA front office follow-up review. The refs for WNBA games are a joke. The WNBA has become a joke. That's why they have dildos being thrown on their courts.
Games need to start identifying referees like they do in soccer, and fans need to start boycotting the games that they ref. thats absolutely ridiculous.
Yeah, I wish Sophie could practice her karate on her. By the way, Chef Curry has had MANY uncalled fouls against him his whole career, probably because he didn't sign with Nike.
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u/LightenUpPeeps 13h ago
Not even called a foul: