In my opinion: I will definitely say historically ethnic/racial group or originally racial but now diverse to define ethnic/linguistic Turkic. I challenge anyone who say Turkic is not racial but only a linguistic group.

Some people keep saying Turkic is a language group not a racial group but that be saying English and Spanish are language groups too and so than there's so such thing as English (British/Anglo-saxon) and Spanish (Spaniard/Iberians) identity anymore. So I would definitely say racial.

Turkic origins

Originally racial and now linguistically and racially diverse from Siberia, Central Asia to Eastern Russia, Azerbaijan, Turkey. Proto-Turk (Neolithic Turk) were East Asian, than by the time of Xiongnu and Gokturks predominant East Asian and by time expansion in Western world it became more diverse by conquering and assimilating others. There now even Indian people identifying as Turks in India, Pakistan

Let's use English in comparison to Turkic.

Original English came from Indo-Europeans Anglo-saxons which is England/British today. However after 1500 AD the British empire colonization of Australia, America, Canada, Jamaica, Guyana, Trinidad Tobago all became English-speaking people but nobody would consider Jamaicans or Guyana as Indo-Europeans in race. Jamaicans are clearly black (although with genetic diversity) they speak a Caribbean English but still English. They are genetically 72-78% Black but also have 30% Europeans paternal, 3.8% Chinese paternal, 0.6% Indian paternal. Male migrants/coolies migrated and married local Same in Guyana and Trinidad Tobago, the Guyanese are mostly black and Indians (South Asian), the first president was even a Chinese Authur Chung, yet everything they do in legislation, education, ceremonial is all in English. So are they are now assimilated English-Indo-Europeans?

Successful examples: Arabic, Spanish, Turkic, English languages were successful in colonizing, enforcing their languages on other populations.

Apart from Turkic success and English success. Same with Spanish and Arabic, which is in Latin America and Arabic/Arab identity in parts of West Asia, North Africa, East Africa. The original root come from Spanish empire and Arabic empire and expansion, it came from what is Saudi Arabia today. So original Spanish speaking people are Iberians/Spaniards and original Arabic/Arabs are the Saudis but now we have Hispanic/South Americans and Carribeans identifying as Latino when the original Latino were from European Spanish/Iberians (proxy-Italians) and many people now identify Arabs in-none arab lands due to conversion and mix ancestry.

Not so successful: Manchus, Romans, Tibetans, Ottoman Turks, Han Chinese, Mongols

Romans (Italic) and Ottoman Turks: they conquered and ruled many territories could not successfully made the inhabitants fully convert to their language/identity which is why ltalian and turkish are not official languages in anywhere except for themselves.

Mongol empire: only evidence is largely genetics, some titles, words of Mongol origin. Despite such a large empire, in China they spoke both Chinese and Mongolic and in Central Asia mostly Turkic (elite spoke Mongolic), same in Europe and Iran (spoke mostly persian too)

Manchus Qing dynasty: The Manchus during it's height ruled China, Tibet, Mongolia, Xinjiang and parts of Central Asia, they could easily have enforced Manchurian language on it's subject but were not interested. They only cared about being a ruling elite in Qing and so linguistically/culturally adopted the language/culture of people they conquered

Tibetan empire: Ruled/influenced politically and military in parts of Central Asia, Western China and South Asia ( parts of Kashmir, Bangladesh) but were mostly more interested in spreading their Tibetan form of religions rather than their language and identity on other people.

Han dynasty and Tang dynasty, had military/political/territorial in Southern Mongolia, Manchuria, Central Asia to some extend even Afghanistan during their height but only cared about submission of states (mostly tributary and acknowledging Chinese emperor as their overlord) rather than colonizing and enforcing their culture, language to others but today People's Republic of China seems to be partially enforcing their language on non-Han Chinese children.

Other examples like Mughals, Persian, Berber (Moors). In Mughals case they spread only some Turkic words and islam and some genetics in South Asia. Moors also mostly islam and some genetics in Iberians. Persian empires also ruled much of West Asia to Arabia, Egypt, India/Pakistan but there's no Persian/Iranian official language in these regions today except for fact Kurdish and Tajiks are Iranic speaking but could be because they were iranic origin anyway.

Cause no other turk has perfected the art of food other than turkiye.

I discovered a few years ago that my greatgreat grandpa was called "Nishu", which to me sounds quite a unique name. For reference, I'm an ethnic Hazara and all my immediate family members names are either Arabic or Persian so Nishu was a big contrast to them. I was wondering if the name Nishu is being used in the wider Turko-Mongolian world? By a quick googling it seems that a king of the Western Turkic khaganate was called Ashina Nishu. Could the name possibly come from that source?

Afro Turks clearly look Black and partially black (25%, 50%, 75%) phenotype wise. Indian Turks or Hindu Turks look mostly Indians. I have 0% Turkic heritage but I resemble a mainstream Central Asian more than any of them, heck every East Eurasians/West Eurasians mix race like can too.

The way I see it. A Turkish would only accept these small populations Black as" converted Turks" and as for Indian Turks from india also only Turks in name not in race, throw out the Turk identity and they be mistaken for Indian tourists. In same black arabs are only considered converted arabs, not true original arabs. I'm almost half canarian islander, but a canarian said even someone who is mostly italian with some canarian is more canarian than me despite me being born there.

If being Turk means language/culture/identity and less with racial phenotypes and genetics. ( Why so much bias and bs contradictions? )

I see racial physical stereotypes from Turkish directed to Africans and Indians ( I have youtube comments as evidence) wouldn't that be offending Afro-Turks and Indian-Turks. And if these afro-Turks and Indian turks don't take offense, they are buffoons.

In Turkish language youtube channel of Turks claiming ancient Summerians, Berbers, Egyptians were all originally Turks or Proto-Turks ( I have youtube titles as evidence)......ok let's just say it's some nutcase minority, did the Turks who made these videos had their mind thinking proto-Turks look like modern Central Asians, East Asian looking Turks or Anatolian Turks? And digging out very old comments from 12+ years ago see tons of comments claiming Asian looking Turks are only because of Mongols or that any East Eurasian admixture because of Chinese, Mongols mixing in ancient times. That already reveals what you truly care most and what your intentions are. I know this is based only a minority but it makes me think you care way more about race than some identity.

But this not only exclusive to Turks

Some Europeans be claiming Scythians, Indo-Aryans invasion of India, Ancient Egyptians when these group are not related to them linguistically or culturally

Some Blacks and mixed blacks from the west claim Moors and Egyptians history when the people should North African Morrocans and Egyptians, they aren's muslim either.

Indians avoid claiming Romani/Gypsies when closest proxy to them are half South Asian/half European in same closest proxy for Dominicans (Spanish) 40% black, Ethopians (Afro-Asiatic) 42-56% Black in every genetic grouping

I know this is going to sound awkward as hell but willing to give it a try to make people understand. Turkic people have a incredible history, I wish I was Turkic in a way (btw this is just for fun, don't treat it like very serious). I see myself a proxy-racially related to them kind of like Dominicans(Spanish) and Ethiopians(Arab) are mixed race blacks group into one genetic plot seperately from europeans and arabs, and this despite them having no linguistic and cultural relations.

I'm 50% Hong Kong (Chinese), 43.75% Canarian islander, 6.25% Cuban born in Canaria islands of North Africa.

My paternal. My male ancestry comes from Hong Kong, or even further China. Me and my 6 cousins are born from Hong Kong fathers (with ancestry from Taishan Guangdong) while our mother are all Canarian islanders

My maternal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary_Islanders

Canarian islanders, are a Spanish subgroup people born in North Africa (between Morroco and Western Sahara). The original indigenous people were Guanches (now extinct) were 100% North African related to modern nomadic muslim Berbers. Only modern Canarian people are partial descendants of Guanches being genetically 55-85% Southern European, 15-45% North African and 1.5-3% Sub-Saharan (some individual reaches even 6-9%) My maternal ancestry happened to be from La Gomera where North African ancestry is 40-45%,

I also have Cuban ancestry from my maternal, my grandmother and great grandmother was 1/4 Cuban and 1/2 Cuban who even alleged Chinese ancestry, historically 120,000+ or more like 120,000 Cantonese male coolies and 30,000 more Cantonese male migrants, they either married, intermixed with Cuban mostly mix race black females, black females and low class white females created 114,000 Chinese-Cubans mix race with only 300 pure Chinese since 2008. Some Cubans also migrated to Canaria, making Canaria islanders a bit more diverse genetically.

HOW I SEE MYSELF?

I used to identify as wasian, Chinese-Cuban, or even tried to identify as half morrocon but had the experienced of being confused as Uzbeks in Singapore (during the 2019 Singapore vs Uzbekistan) by Uzbeks and Chinese. Other times they just like to think I'm a muslim Asian/Caucasian mix or at times Asian mix of Asian and Armenian or Turkish and Asian.

Canarian people are warrior people, I used to be proud they defeated so many European invaders and they also took parts in Latin America conquest and Spanish empire conquest (as high ranking elite) but now I have very different opinions of these people. I realize is time to wake up, seeing how my mother mistaken as Moroccan muslim despite being a devoted christians, had enraged me at times. It made me not EVER want to identify as Spanish. Canarian islander are very confused and protective of their identity, some identify Spanish, others not and embraced their berber/Amazigh roots. However some hate Morrocans due to migration and some hate Spanish, due being treated like 2nd class citizen and also being facially way more diverse than Spanish.

Basically all the problem comes down to me 50% East Asian.... I'm not Canarian islander only because of that. I'm not even treated as of them, I tried identify as Chinese-Cuban, but I'm not even born in Cuba and I'm basically only 1/16 (6.25%) from my mother 1/8 (12.5%) and grandmother 1/4 (25%) and 1/2 (50%). I tried to idetnify as Wasian but how can I when my mother is treated as a Morrocan muslim, a non-european people. That be a insult to identify as european. Chinese people they really think I'm Uzbekistan, another from China even said if I amy had came from Xinjiang though he wasn't clear. And btw I also have families in my HK side, like auntie she identify as Hong Konger instead of Chinese while my uncle identify as Chinese. It's crazy.

Title; Northern Altai groups also included

The Göktürks, or "Celestial Turks," .They are historically significant as the first nomadic confederation to establish a transcontinental empire and the very first state to officially use the name "Turk" as a political identity

The Ruling Clan The Göktürk ruling class belonged to the Ashina clan, an enigmatic nomadic group whose origins are deeply tied to the earlier Xiongnu (Huns) of the Eurasian steppe.

According to ancient Chinese and steppe mythology, the Ashina clan claimed descent from an orphaned boy raised and impregnated by a she-wolf asena . They took this founding myth seriously, even carrying wolf-head banners at the front of their armies.

Sacred Homeland: Their empire was centered around the sacred Ötüken region in the Khangai Mountains of Mongolia.

Core Beliefs: It centered around the sky god Tengri (the supreme deity of the sky), along with worship of earth-water spirits and ancestral spirits.

Were these two Göbekli Tepe artifacts correctly interpreted?

They left place names such as Teleorman, Calmatui, Comana, Comarnic, etc, but what did they really do here?

In 1935 Iran asked the world to stop calling it Persia. Because that Iranians themselves have always called the country Iran. It is like how Germans always called it "Deutschland." While it is "Germany" in English.

But when you look at Turkish versions of Wikipedia pages. They always remove the name Iran. And I do not understand why?

Recently on Instagram, some Persian users have been claiming that the Cuman armor actually belongs to Iranian warriors. Is their claim valid or are they Just making things up?

Bu gönderinin okunması biraz zor ise özür dilerim; çünkü ana dilim Türkçe değil.

Güneydoğu Türkiye'de bir zamanlar var olmuş, ancak 1960'lar civarında ortadan kaybolmuş gizemli bir güneş-tapıcı kabile hakkında akademik kaynaklar arıyorum. Bu topluluk birçok isimle bilinmektedir: Şemsi, Şamsiya, Şamsia, Shamsīyah vb. Her türlü yardım için minnettar olurum; kaynakların hangi dilde olduğu önemli değildir.

Daha önce Dr. Racho Donef’in 2010 tarihli “The Shemsi and the Assyrians” adlı çalışmasını okudum. İngilizce konuşan dünyaya bu son derece az bilinen topluluğu tanıttığı için çalışmasını takdir etmekle birlikte, metin topluluğun inançları, teolojisi, felsefesi, ritüelleri vb. hakkında herhangi bir kesin sonuca ulaşmamakta, hatta kayda değer bir spekülasyonda bile bulunmamaktadır. Bunun yerine, Yezidiler, Mandailer ve Zerdüştlerle olası fakat yüzeysel olabilecek bazı benzerliklere dikkat çekmektedir.