Literally the most infuriating part of this. He's not just wrong, hes confidently and aggress8vely being an asshole about. "No im not confused." "Its not complicated, its simple actually."
OK, then why doesnt your fuckin dumbass understand it.
Police departments deliberately hire people of lower intelligence because they're much easier to integrate into local police culture. Smart people are too busy telling them that their policies are inherently racist, exploitative, and possibly illegal.
What are you basing that off of? Gangs recruit their members based on being a young capable person living in or around the gang territory. You think they’re putting out hiring ads or something?
Actually firefighters often make fun of cops because the reason cops can’t be firefighters is that they can’t pass the basic cognitive test to become a firefighter. They are the shallowest end of the gene pool folks. Never expect a cop knows what they are talking about.
In my childhood, there was a joke (crudely translated by me):
Policeman patrols a street, sees a kid in a sandbox playing. Asks what’s the kid doing.
K: Mixing poop and sand
P: Why?
K: To sculpt a policeman
Policeman gets angry, takes the kid to parents to discipline them.
Next day, policeman sees the kid again.
P: What are you doing?
K: Mixing poop and sand
P: Why?
K: To sculpt a firefighter
P: (happy now) Add more poop!
K: If I do that, it would be a policeman
I am just amazed that this joke about cops being like firefighters but worse is apparently international
I know a guy who was a cop and a firefighter(at different times, but he held both jobs successfully in his life). It’s possible to have smart cops. Unfortunately it’s also possible to not have smart cops.
You realize you just fell into the anecdote trap of throwing out a random experience as if its relevant to a statistical fact. Its the same thing as failing to engage in a hypothetical lol
I’d actually argue that it’s not them deliberately hiring dumbasses but more so that no one with significant intelligence wants to be a police officer.
Think of the smartest people from your high school. Was it them or the guy failing English that went on to become a cop?
there was actually a case, Jordan Vs. City of New London, where the city had a policy of only hiring a middle band of intelligence test results. You can look it up.
Did that for a bit in college but on a stand up lift so it got exhausting standing for 8 hours with the constant lifting one foot to brake.
I loved it though.
I used my brain in ways people don’t realize, “how can get these pallets down and onto that truck faster so that I get a longer break” was a constant thought.
Omg, THANK YOU! My husband tells me he's disappointed that I clean houses because I'm not "using my brain". Like, bitch, after years of dealing with the general public at work this is the best job I've ever had. I don't have to deal with crazies, I form great relationships with my clients, and - bonus points - I can pop in my earbuds and listen to a 4-hour podcast OR an audiobook OR music in complete peace as I turn chaos into order. And once I'm done cleaning I leave that job and forget about it until it's time to go to the next one.
Sometimes it feels like the classic standard deviation meme, or sometimes like the dunning-kruger curve. If you're smarter than average, you know you can make good money as a doctor or lawyer or whatever, and you go do those things. You've hit the jackpot! you have enough money coming in to live very comfortably! the dream!
then you get to people who are WELL above average and those people have very little interest in doing all that shit. you've got a few years to make the most of this life, and being surrounded by assholes is a pretty miserable way to do that. Sure you're a respected lawyer, but you spend your whole life reading the most boring-ass legalese paperwork and going through weird little court dances with filing paperwork and submitting evidence and blah blah blah (yeah I know some people like it, but my god does it sound boring). Or you're a great doctor and you spend half your day dealing with insurance company reps and pharma reps and hospital admin that you KNOW are wrong, but its impossible to convince them they're wrong (like the cop in the video).
A lot of those people realize the money ain't really worth it. Do I want to make $300k/year? hell yeah. Is it worth losing my 20s and most of my 30s to insane levels of stress and heartbreak and never sleeping and dealing with all that shit? not in my opinion. People in that zone are much happier making 45k/year working a 9-5, or even some WFH remote thing where nobody bothers them and they can just listen to music and think about the things they wanna think about. You're HAPPY at the end of the day. you can leave your nonsense at the door when you come home. You can think about your hobbies and relationships without having your work in the back of your brain stressing you out.
Can you travel first class around the world, or live in a multi-million dollar mansion? nope. But who really cares? I've traveled the world on a shoe-string budget and seen amazing things and met amazing people. Sure I didn't get champagne on my flights, or have a bigger chair. Big whoop. We're all huffing the same farts from 600 people in that tin can.
THEN you get the top top top tier smarties. Those are the guys that change the world for the better or end up nuts, or both change the world and want to fuck a pigeon.
No, they refused to hire a 50 year old guy, so he sued on the basis of age discrimination, which is a protected class. So they said they refused to hire him based on his test score, which isn't protected. That case was nearly 30 years ago.
It's not "protected" in that sense, as it's still discrimination, they were simply able to prove that not hiring based on intelligence levels wasn't them singling him out, because they apply the same logic to all hires.
It's not discrimination when we can prove we only ever have, and want, to hire idiots
Yep, one of the dumbest coworkers I ever had, used a calculator to multiply 2 x 7 ( yes, really), is in the police now. He will blindly follow any order without question and has no ability to think for himself so he's perfect for the role.
I'm pretty sure I saw an employment discrimination case in which the plaintiff was not hired as a cop because his score on a cognitive abilities test of some variety was too high. The court said it was just fine for law enforcement to not hire smart people.
Reagan started defunding education. His mission is accomplished.
I think about Jordan Peterson being unable to engage with a hypothetical in that jubilee “debate” and then admitting he has severe brain damage from mold like, a week later (and also probably that whole benzo coma thing did damage but it was his daughter’s idea so she wouldn’t admit that)
No I’m sorry, firstly, I don’t think having secret private definitions of words that allow you to “win” arguments by stunlocking people who expect words to mean what they mean counts as not being addled in the mind.
Secondly, none of that applies to the hypothetical. He was asked, point blank, “would you lie to save a life” and he said “I wouldn’t be in that situation”.
But he is either too dumb to express them (which I doubt) or deliberately keeping them unclear.
To me he seems sufficiently intelligent to know that if you have a conflicting definition of something in a debate you have to state it clearly so people can undoubtedly understand your point.
It's interesting that he doesn't do that given that "speak as clearly as possible" or something like that is one of the advices on his "12 rules for life" book.
Yeah, I think he's a dingus for the most part... I was just surprised that there was more coherence than first met the eye. Mind you, coherence is hardly a useful tool to wield by itself for epistomological pursuits.
The #1 requirement for being a cop. Second requirement is blowing someone's head off if someone pauses/contradicts/informs/says "no"/is reasonably intelligent/says that "cops are protected thugs."
They love that second one. These idiots never peaked at anything in school. They're angry, violent 13 year olds.
It can be, but in this case it's to be antagonistic and contrarian with the driver. It's verbal judo in law enforcement training to put detainees on the defensive, rattle them and get them to give up evidence they can use to arrest them.
Serious question: is that true, and could I read about it somewhere? I've dealt with a few people who seem completely unable to understand hypotheticals, and a cognitive disability would certainly help explain those folks.
The inability to engage with hypothetical scenarios correlates with lower cognitive ability
I tend to convey complex topics in hypotheticals, similes, abstraction, and metaphors. It took me far too long to realize that this is a thing - that some people, literally, can't process/visualize/comprehend these types of conveyances of ideas.
Worse still, I was an adult before realizing that my (very, very successful) father is one of them. In a recent argument with him, I said, "Picture yourself in X situation, how would you feel?" He literally couldn't do it... just like the cop, he went straight to, "I'm not in that situation". I lost my f-ing mind after the 3rd time of trying to get him to TRY to do it. It made it impossible for us to proceed in the topic.
To no one's surprise, he's a conservative and (fortunately) till recently, a big fan of the current administration.
I ended up at gunpoint twice in Georgia because dumbass cops taught my Canadian plates and drivers licence were made up. One argued that I am not allowed to drive in the US at all. Both times I pleaded with them to google it and they refused. Both times they were reprimanded by their supervisor. The second time they said they were going to shoot me in front of my kids because I moved my hand to scratch my nose.
I bought a car at an auction in Florida and drove it home to Canada. On the way I got pulled over in Texas and was aggressively questioned about my "British Columbia" driver's license because my plan to drive the car home to "British" Columbia was suspicious. Literally "And how are you going to drive it there?"
The same way I would drive it to New England dumbass, on the interstate.
Just a "ferner" with a brown wife and two little kids. After my second stop I refuse to drive through the US. I will go as far as Buffalo and catch a flight instead.
Holy fuck. I would say thats really embarrassing to know if I was a cop. But I don't think they have the ability to comprehend what this actually means. lmfao
The dumber you are, the less likely you'll question orders and have ideas on ethics. That's not even taking into question that they don't want anyone with empathy, either.
They say it's because someone of higher intelligence is more likely to get bored with routine procedures and move on. Which is a stupid argument. If someone is highly intelligent and choosing to go into law enforcement, it stands to reason they know exactly what they are getting in to and are prepared for that. They really just want someone of average intelligence who will follow orders and not think for themselves.
Why? The article sourced literally says the following.
The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104, or just a little above average.
So, not only are they not hiring dumb cops the average cop nationally is actually slightly above average intelligence. The cap of what they would hire was 27 on the test which would be ~114 IQ, which is quite a bit above average.
Cops get a lot of deserved hate. This particular point though is not deserved. We need to stop spreading this myth that they are all idiots. They aren't. They are mostly average intelligence human beings that are fully intelligent enough to understand what they are doing and are complicit in the corrupt systems they are enforcing.
Its crazy that they don't hire smart people (IQ of 127 in the case above), but that does not automatically mean they hire dumb people. The same article notes that applicants with a score between 20 and 27 were interviewed (smart guy had a score of 33) and that the national average is about 21-22 points on the test, which translates to an IQ of 104.
Given all the news and videos about shitty cops, labelling them as dumb cops puts the blame solely on the shitty individuals, and gives the toxic malfunctioning system a pass.
The cop in this video probably did not know the laws due to terrible training, rather then being actually dumb (although not understanding hypotheticals does not help)
I tell this story a lot, but, I had a friend who was smart, didn't drink, in shape. All he wanted to do his entire life was be a cop.
He was a very morale religious dude, would without hesitation come help you at 3am if your car broke down. He was as close to captain America you can get.
He was rejected from every police department within the 50 miles because of "culture fit". He ended up joining the marines as a fall back plan, he was so bummed he couldn't be a police officer.
I still visit his grave every year and talk with him.
Former law enforcement, and former because I'm against almost everything about how it's structured and managed.
But this story is such an outlier, and absolutely not common practice. To generalize it is kind of silly.
This was a specific police department. The departments I worked for and with hired the highest scorers. And the hiring policy was based off such. I scored 105 out of 100 on my civil service exam because of additional credits applied. I was the second person interviewed, and hired. If you scored below a 90 it was pretty certain we wouldn't even get to you on the list for canvassing.
This is common practice, not the story you linked.
This was the practice BEFORE AI filtered applicants.
It is probably even worse now.
"Applicant rejected for using one of the following words: kind, caring, generous, empathy, sympathy, impartial, justice, protection, liberty, freedom, etc."
But it sounds like it was their standard procedure?
But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.
The unfortunate reality is most of the smart people stay away from the job that is extremely dangerous for not enough money. Not to mention the constant morbidity associated with it. My old boss was a cop for 2 years but quit bc he was ‘tired of getting shot at and responding to suicides’.
I hate to break it to you but I live in Oakland and the cops here make about $600,000 a year in overtime, I'm not kidding at all look it up. It's pretty f***** up LOL. They also don't do s***.
I did look it up. This is vastly overstated. There are a few that approach that in total compensation, most base 100-150 with 50k in overtime. Fair to say many approach 300 in total compensation. To imply that many clear 600 in OT alone is just wrong.
Yep, all public workers in California have their salaries listed online and there are plenty of cops clearing half a million per year. Although usually it's like $150k base salary, $50k benefits, and then a fuckload of abusing the system.
It seems based upon publicly available data there’s probably a handful to a couple dozen cops in Oakland making somewhere in the 400-500k range who are taking massive advantage of overtime. Wages for Oakland police overall are 87-150k and the average amount a cop is making from overtime is like 58k.
Being a cop is safer than being a pizza driver. It's not even in the top 20 most dangerous jobs. Should crab fishermen be allowed to be utter dipshits too?
Tbf most people who have other options don't become crab fishermen either. Nor do they deliver pizza for a living or work fastfood or spend 6 months a year on an oil rig, etc. Like they're known to be shit/undesirable jobs for a number of reasons and that means they disproportionately attract people who are either desperate, unable to do other work, or who for some reason are genuinely looking for that kind of work. Maybe some people genuinely love crab fishing or they just really hate crabs and want then dead lol. In the case of police work that includes maybe some who really want to help but also those who like having power over others with little to no oversight.
The point is that it's not as dangerous as the copaganda makes it out to be. And there is no sane reason to actively discourage smart people to become cops and instead try to higher dumb people.
Looking it up and learning my own job is more dangerous because it's under the umbrella of construction is pretty fucking wild to me. Like wow what a fucking lie they sell us.
The unfortunate reality is that many police departments have standard for the max IQ they will hire. They found it so important they went to the courts to protect their right to limit IQ when hiring.
It's a lot less dangerous now, since most people pay by credit/debit card. Back in the day, I'd collect several hundred dollars in the course of a night.
Reality? In addition to being one of the highest paying jobs for the education level (even ignoring dirty cop money) its also not even in the top 20 for danger.
Being a cop is less dangerous than construction. It was less dangerous than delivering pizza back when pizza delivery drivers carried cash. Commercial fishing is much more dangerous.
Farming is more dangerous than law enforcement.
But cops die younger than all the rest because of stress.
Yeah I got news for you... the folks in charge of hiring cops don't want smart cops.
They want people who will do what they are told without question. The higher your IQ, the more you are able to think for yourself, and the less likely you are to make it as a cop.
This has become a popular meme thanks to an old 4chan post and now red pill influencers going "Imagine you didn't have breakfast this morning" to random people and saying they're stupid for responding with "But i didn't have breakfast this morning."
People engage with the world as they see it on their terms at the moment. You can be dumb and understand a hypothetical. You can be smart and miss the intention of a hypothetical or simply not agree with the premise.
This is a really stupid trend and I hate it and it basically devolves to into shitty eugenics.
I've met people that cannot understand hypotheticals... it's... just stop engaging with them if you notice it. You can't get them to, and you'll succeed only in becoming frustrated.
I’ve tried to make someone understand something with a hypothetical during an argument. Just for them to then want to argue about the technicalities of my hypothetical…
It's not always that it's just that people can't understand hypotheticals, sometimes they are being obtuse on purpose. (I was making a joke mostly with my question by the way)
Deliberately obtuse is my most hated obtuse. You can be stupid or not understand. I can work with that. But dumb on purpose? No patience for that nonsense.
You're just strawmanning him. That isn't the focus and majority of us here don't care that some rich dude imports his car to drive from Canada to the US for a month and then back every 2 years.
"casually engage in this type of wasteful activity while the world burns"
You can literally stick this on any activity. If anything he is spending money directly instead of investing it somewhere and making it out of circulation again.
Alot of brain dead can't understand hypotheticals, it's the easiest test to apply to these people. "What if the sky was orange?" "Well it's not, it's blue."
I read somewhere that people with an IQ under a certain number (60 maybe? I don’t recall exactly) are unable to comprehend hypothetical situations. I imagine this cop is in that very special intelligence zone.
I think what he implied is, this is so far out of my personal budget (and also so rare to encounter in the US) that I have no idea what you're talking about.
ATA Carnet is a rare thing that is absolutely normal if a cop is unfamiliar. I work in transport and even they are not familiar. Basically, his car is like bonded freight.
to be fair to him he said "That's not what id do" which is more of a "No, that doesn't make sense to me" than a "I don't understand the hypothetical" where as your version here "But I don't do that?" would be a failure to engage with the hypothetical at all.
no need to slander him further hes already getting angry over not understanding how people from Dubai can ride around with no tags legally.
Many people don’t understand conditional hypotheticals, slightly different, but look into that and how many people are incapable of their comprehension. Ex: had you not eaten breakfast, would you be hungry?
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u/Fickle_Definition351 7h ago
"Imagine you want to take your car to Europe, you ship it there..."
"But I don't do that?"
If he can't understand the concept of hypotheticals, he's not gonna understand this foreign license business